[AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati


Gary Baker - W3OG W3OG at comcast.net
Fri Jul 23 15:17:08 EDT 2004


Yes, I agree.  Thank you, Bill.  With all respect, I would like very much to
see the end of this thread, and all its twists.   This horse has been
whipped to death.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "BILL WINTER" <k3jpb at msn.com>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio" <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati


> Is this the AM reflector --or a political convention
> enough allready
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Ed.Hopton at checkpt.com>
> To: "Discussion of AM Radio" <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:52 PM
> Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati
>
>
> >
> > You're right on the money, Don.  As one of our Founding Fathers said:
> > "Those willing to sacrifice their essential liberty for safety deserve
> > neither."  I may not have quoted Mr. Franklin exactly, but his idea of
> > liberty is what sets America apart from all other nations.
> >
> > It's an on-going battle to preserve our liberties in this age of
> > technology
> > with all the do gooders who would use that technology to opress us in
the
> > name of "safety."
> >
> > 73,
> > Ed N3CMI
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >              "Merz Donald S"
> >              <merz.ds at mellon.c
> >              om>
To
> >              Sent by:                  "Discussion of AM Radio"
> >              amradio-bounces at m         <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> >              ailman.qth.net
cc
> >
> >
Subject
> >              07/23/2004 01:30          RE: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware
> >              PM                        on utility poles in Cincinnati
> >
> >
> >              Please respond to
> >              Discussion of AM
> >                    Radio
> >              <amradio at mailman.
> >                  qth.net>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sheesh. Maybe you should move to Russia. They already have all these
great
> > innovations implemented years ago--along with ID cards for every citizen
> > and friendly troops with submachine guns on every street corner to help
> > ensure your safety.
> >
> > 73, Don Merz, N3RHT
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> > [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Peter Markavage
> > Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 12:25 PM
> > To: amradio at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in
> > Cincinnati
> >
> >
> > "When I went to get a cell phone for my daughter about 2 months ago, I
> > was shocked to discover that cell phones now come with GPS locators.
This
> > is ostensibly a "service" so the company can find your phone if you lose
> > it. But, of course, this means that they can also find YOU. And it is
> > galling that only the company can use the GPS feature, not the cell
phone
> > user."
> >
> > This should have been done years ago. Some lives might have been saved
> > had this feature been available.
> >
> > "and we think it's so cute when CSI uses pictures from a camera at a
> > random intersection to help solve a crime."
> >
> > Cameras should be installed at all traffic light and major stop sign
> > intersections.
> >
> > "The Amish life style is looking better and better. Can you have
> > boatanchors and be a ham if you are Amish?"
> >
> > No, you have to give all your boatanchors to us.
> >
> > Pete, wa2cwa
> >
> > On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:09:55 -0400 "Merz Donald S" <merz.ds at mellon.com>
> > writes:
> > > When I went to get a cell phone for my daughter about 2 months ago, I
> > > was shocked to discover that cell phones now come with GPS locators.
> > > This is ostensibly a "service" so the company can find your phone if
> > > you lose it. But, of course, this means that they can also find YOU.
> > > And it is galling that only the company can use the GPS feature, not
> > > the cell phone user.
> > >
> > > So if we value our privacy, cell phones have joined the lengthening
> > > list of things we have to guard ourselves against. Banks are free to
> > > read your checks to mine data about your buying habits. Grocery
> > > chains now use ID cards (for "valuable savings") to track what you
> > > buy. Only the courts prevented the lets-legislate-morality loonies
> > > from letting our ISPs check and block what we access on the web.
> > > RF-ID tags now report when we use EZ-Pass going through a toll
> > > booth. Surveillance cameras have become universal since the
> > > technology is now so cheap--and we think it's so cute when CSI uses
> > > pictures from a camera at a random intersection to help solve a
> > > crime. And who doesn't want a car with On-Star? What the heck is
> > > next?
> > >
> > > The Amish life style is looking better and better. Can you have
> > > boatanchors and be a ham if you are Amish?
> > >
> > > 73, Don Merz, N3RHT
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> > > [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of George
> > > Pritchard
> > > Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 9:26 AM
> > > To: 'Discussion of AM Radio'
> > > Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in
> > > Cincinnati
> > >
> > >
> > > Gentlemen,
> > > How long will it be before the govt' adds "interface devices" to the
> > > "BPL
> > > home internet connection" to further invade in on our privacy. I
> > > feel very
> > > uncomfortable with potential broadband "utility monitoring" of my
> > > electric
> > > meter! It opens the door to much invasion.
> > > Live Free or die. The 20 gauge and bird shot is interesting.
> > > George AB2KC
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> > > [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Donald
> > > Chester
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 2:17 PM
> > > To: amradio at mailman.qth.net
> > > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in
> > > Cincinnati
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >Actually this provides additional advantages to the Utility
> > > Companies
> > > >even if you don't subscribe to the internet service. A modem could
> > > be
> > > >hung on your electric, gas, or water meters, plugged into an AC
> > > outlet,
> > > >and now all meter readings could be done back at their facilities
> > > via
> > > >the BPL internet connection, eliminating the services of electric,
> > > gas,
> > > >or water meter readers.
> > >
> > > Wonder how long before some would develop and put on the market
> > > bootleg
> > > "brown boxes" -remember the "blue boxes" in the 80's that allowed
> > > one to
> > > illegally bypass the phone co.'s billing and make free phone calls?
> > > These
> > > things would take over and alter the data stream to the utility
> > > company and
> > > illegally reduce your bill.  Or if you happened to transmit over the
> > > air at
> > > the critical moment and your signal caused data loss and scrambled
> > > the data
> > > so that you or a near by resident erroneously got a ridiculously
> > > high
> > > utility bill for services you did not use.
> > >
> > > Incidentally, Apple Computers got its start as a garage enterprise
> > > that
> > > produced blue boxes, and once they gained some capital, decided to
> > > go legit
> > > and put together the first personal computer, that started a
> > > technological
> > > revolution, even though the machine was extremely crude by today's
> > > standards.
> >
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