[AMRadio] Phone band expansion gone off topic


TChesek at Epix.Net tchesek at epix.net
Sat Oct 14 17:05:09 EDT 2006


Bob,

Your reply is appreciated. One of my pet peeves is that this topic seems to
always be presented in a "shoot the messenger" mentality. I did not write
the rules but have to live with them. If anyone has any angst about this
topic it should be referred to the FCC and ARRL as you mentioned, not with
those who happen to test under the rules of their time. See ya on the air!

Tom K3TVC/nc


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Maser" <bmaser at tampabay.rr.com>
To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service"
<amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion gone off topic


> Tom, your discourse on the no code licensing was great.  I have never
looked
> down at a n/c Extra as being inferior, except in jest, but I can remember
> having one hell of a time getting my code speed up past 20wpm at the same
> time I had the theory down pat.  They never seemed in sync.  I never had
to
> earn my living in the electronics business so the theory was often Greek
to
> me, still is.  But understand that a lot of Extras that did have to pass
the
> 20 wpm requirement feel that the FCC or ARRL sold them down the river by
> eliminating it.  Lets face it, the ARRL is really concerned that the Ham
> Radio hobby is going downhill and that means less sales of product and
> magazines and they decided that n/c would give the hobby a shot in the
arm.
> They were wrong but it is too late to double back.  This hobby is indeed
> rounding the last turn and the finish line is within sight.  Deny this all
> you want but go to a hamfest and count the young hams.  You won't need to
> even take off your shoes.  I usually go to Dayton at least 3 out 5 years
and
> this year the Hamvention attendance was under 20,000.  It used to take
more
> than a day to go through the flea market, it was less than 60% full this
> year and I'll bet that it is even smaller next year.  Another indicator of
> the state of this hobby is the infamous QST magazine.  There are issues
that
> contain nothing interesting to hams that have been in the hobby for any
> length of time.  If you scan the Sept issue you can learn how to make a
> straight key from a door hinge, how to make a UPS that you can buy ready
> made for under $75 that works better, revisit a extended double zepp that
> has been in the ARRL Handbook for the last 20 years, a product review of a
> radio that nobody buys, and a frequency counter.  Then comes the final
> insult; the biggest advertiser in the magazine offers junk for sale, a lot
> of which are direct copies of other manufacturers' product that are higher
> priced at least partly because they don't employ prison inmate labor.
>
> All this verbiage are my opinions on the state of hobby.  Yours may be
> different, probably are.
>
> Have a good day, see on the bands for as long as we have them.
>
> Bob  W6TR
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tom" <tchesek at epix.net>
> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service"
> <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 12:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion gone off topic
>
>
> >I see this topic come up so many times during the course of a year so I
> >guess that I should turn in my Extra-light license because I'm not as
smart
> >or as worthy as those who think they are better than others because they
> >possess the "real" license earned back in the good-old days. I'm
convinced
> >that they are the same people who walked to school 20 miles each way
uphill
> >in the snow while carrying their little sister. I, on the other hand, had
> >to ride a bus about 10 miles...a piece of cake and I didn't learn
> >fortitude. (Plus my little sister sat beside me)
> >
> > I've decided to demand that the FCC require me to learn 50wpm code and
> > have a doctorate in Electrical Engineering instead of just an A.A. in
> > Electronic Technology from my Community College. Of course while I'm at
it
> > I will demand that they require ALL Advanced and old-time Extras to
learn
> > and prove proficiency on each and every mode of transmission including
> > voice whether they have a desire to use those modes or not.. They will
> > have to speak proper English and use proper punctuation in William
> > Shakespeare style while using voice mode. No hillbilly talk like I hear
> > now on the radio. No African-American, French, German, Italian, or other
> > dialects or accents. They must also demonstrate AM, FM, SSB, LSB,USB,
DSB,
> > digital, RTTY, spread spectrum and on and on and on. Since they are so
> > smart they will also have to build every piece of equipment that they
use
> > including RTTY printers, and make their own batteries with material
mined
> > by them too. After all if they buy a battery then they are lazy. Also,
> > since communication had it's roots in early cultures they must show
> > proficiency on smoke signals and beating logs with sticks.
> >
> > I'm 55 years old and have had to readjust my career to changing times. I
> > worked for 3 companies in 28 years and now 10 companies in the last 4
> > years within the IT field. It is a different world with much younger
> > people in charge. START ADJUSTING! There is plenty for everyone to enjoy
> > in this hobby and I'm humbled by the learned ones who share their
> > knowledge without desire of receiving platitudes but BORED by those
> > fixated on the code issue especially.
> >
> > 73,
> > Tom K3TVC/nc
> >
> > I signed with the /nc because it matters so much to you real Hams to
know
> > that you are better. Oh God, I'm not worthy.
> >
> > hi hi
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Bob Maser" <bmaser at tampabay.rr.com>
> > To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service"
> > <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 7:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
> >
> >
> >> Plus, if he had half a brain, he would have upgraded to an Extra back
in
> >> the late 60's, early 70's.  It's sour grapes.  I agree that a pre
no-code
> >> Extra is more valuable than post no code but he missed the boat.  My
> >> feeling is that my 20WPM Extra will always be worth more(to me at
least)
> >> than a no code Extra.  I've always felt that no code extras should sign
> >> /nc when in the Extra part of the bands.
> >>
> >> Bob W6TR
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Donald Sanders" <w4bws at comcast.net>
> >> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service"
> >> <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> >> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 6:56 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
> >>
> >>
> >>> Because with your 1968 Advanced you cannot go to the Extra Only
> >>> Frequencies.
> >>>
> >>> Healthfully yours,
> >>>                          Don W4BWS
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>> From: "Darrell, WA5VGO" <hbrnut at earthlink.net>
> >>> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service"
> >>> <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> >>> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 5:27 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Phone band expansion
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> >   On that subject, I can't
> >>>> >>understand why the Advanced hams don't go down and pass the Extra
> >>> written
> >>>> >>exam, especially since the code requirements have been eliminated.
> >>>> >>My,
> >>>> >>it's so easy to get on radio these days.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>Bob  W6TR
> >>>>
> >>>> Why would I want to downgrade from my 1968 advanced to the new extra?
> >>>>
> >>>> Darrell, WA5VGO
> >
> >
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