[AMRadio] deliberate encroachment


Dave Mayfield W9WRL wrl at gwltd.com
Sat Dec 5 20:10:54 EST 2009


Bernie, I am not interested in making an enemy out of you. I'm just 
trying to make a point that being on 3887, is contrary to the way most 
all AM'ers operate and to be on an odd frequency like 3887 will only 
cause QRM to the guys on 3885 and 3890. I will leave it at that, and so 
no more.

Dave

Bernie Doran wrote:
> Dave: with all due respect, think about what you have said. you first 
> assumed I was on SSB and said that I should not have been in the AM WINDOW, 
> now you are saying that I was on the wrong freq. if you go back to what I 
> said you will see that I moved 7kc away from the station lower in freq, that 
> is barely enough to avoid qrm. My audio at starts to fall off at 5 kc so I 
> am about 10 kc wide, +and- 5kc  if the other gentleman also had the same 
> response then we have a slight overlap of about 1.5 kc each. And that does 
> not include what our receivers listen too.   the only way that I even knew 
> that I was that close was because I turned on the rice box as an accurate? 
> source and zero beat it. If you chose to crowd and run a 2.1 ssb filter, you 
> will be much better off running sideband. my audio train and voice have only 
> minimal freq above 5kc, probably Fs and Ss hit a little above that.  The 
> available band for voice xmission runs from a little above 3.6 to a little 
> below 4.0.  we can operate anywhere in that area and on any freq. read the 
> regulations.    I actually thought we were through with this discussion. 
> Now I am heading to the garage and turn on the big dog, if the freq is clear 
> I will try to be on 3,704,711 CYs  I think that is a prime number. not sure. 
> if that area is busy I may be as low as 3.68XXX or up to 3.72xxx
> Come on down there and join me.  Bernie W8RPW
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Mayfield W9WRL" <wrl at gwltd.com>
> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" 
> <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 6:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment
>
>
>   
>> I did not say anything about there being any assigned frequency. If you
>> were on the air first, the net control should have asked you to move up
>> a bit, as the net was about to start. At the same time, the correct
>> thing for you would have been either to be on 3880, 3885, or 3890. not
>> 3887. If you operated on 3887 you are now hogging 10kc of bandwidth.
>> With you on on 3887 no one can use either 3885 or 3890. Keeping on even
>> frequencys on 3880, 3885, 3890 allows all of use space to operate.
>>
>> Dave W9WRL.com
>>
>> Bernie Doran wrote:
>>     
>>> Nope I was on AM.      However Dave, there is NO assigned frequency to 
>>> AM!
>>> BernieW8RPW
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Dave Mayfield W9WRL" <wrl at gwltd.com>
>>> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service"
>>> <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 8:12 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Bernie and John. The Military net is a group of hams that operate
>>>> Military radios. This net has been around for years.
>>>>
>>>> Bernie, sounds like you were on SSB, while there are no laws about where
>>>> you can operate 3880 to 3890 is designated as the AM window where AM
>>>> operators operate. If someone is using SSB here they should not be,
>>>> simple as that.
>>>>
>>>> Dave W9WRL.com
>>>>
>>>> John King wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Just curious what type Military Net would be in the Ham Bands? 73, 
>>>>> John,
>>>>> K5PGW
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>> From: Bernie Doran <qedconsultants at embarqmail.com>
>>>>> To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
>>>>> <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
>>>>> Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 5:41:48 AM
>>>>> Subject: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment
>>>>>
>>>>> woke up early this AM and called CQ on 3887, as there was a qso in
>>>>> progress
>>>>> on 3880.  had been in QSO for about twenty minutes and at 5 AM the
>>>>> military
>>>>> Net fired up on 3885.  All they had to do was advise that there was 
>>>>> going
>>>>> to
>>>>> be a net starting at 5 and I  would have slid away, but no, there would
>>>>> be
>>>>> no reason to do that. I am sure it was my fault for being near THEIR
>>>>> freq.
>>>>> Probably some of the people in this group bitch about the SSB 
>>>>> deliberate
>>>>> encroachment.  This lack of the most simple  respect  disgusts me.
>>>>> Bernie
>>>>> W8RPW
>>>>>
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