[AMRadio] Open vs Closed QSOs


Bob Peters rwpeters at swbell.net
Tue Oct 27 22:57:06 EDT 2009


Our North Texas group is really good on short
transmissions not like the old days of Ozona
Bob...45 minute transmissions  LOL we have 8 or 10
most all the time and a lot of us still work so we
are on an early sched to get off...

Bob W1PE

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf
Of Brett Gazdzinski
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 9:37 PM
To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Open vs Closed QSOs

Tough one Don!
I used to enjoy those massive 40 meter round
tables in the past, but think 
most guys kept the transmissions short.
I try and remember to keep the transmissions short
as the group gets bigger, 
but don't always remember....

I LIKE long transmissions in a one on one as it
gives time to go up and make 
some tea or burn one, get a snack, etc.

I often hear what I consider to be rude behavior
when one guy makes a 15 
minute transmission about not much with a big
group waiting.
Some guys just like to talk, and are not that big
on listening.

But that's AM, if people break in and tie up the
frequency, you can be sure 
you will be talking to whoever again before to
long...

There are a lot of different people on AM.....

Brett




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "D. Chester" <k4kyv at charter.net>
To: <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 1:48 PM
Subject: [AMRadio] Open vs Closed QSOs


> Should "breakers" *always* be welcome to join in
a QSO regardless, or are
> there times when it is best not to interrupt an
on-going QSO, and when is 
> it
> OK for the participants in a QSO to ignore
would-be breakers?
>
> One of things I often find annoying when
attempting to carry on a contact
> near any of the popular AM operating frequencies
is the near impossibility
> of avoiding a large, cumbersome roundtable.  The
band may be completely
> devoid of any AM activity for a half-hour or
more, but as soon as one
> station starts up a QSO with one other, within
minutes you can expect the
> inevitable breaker wishing to join the
conversation. Then another.  And
> another.  The more participants in the QSO, the
more frequent the 
> breakers,
> until a group has developed with 5, 8 or more
stations. If the old buzzard
> roundtable procedure is observed with a large
group, you can count on at
> least one participant getting the sequence
wrong, per go-round, and 
> someone
> often gets left out for one or more rounds. It
goes without saying that 
> one
> or more the breakers will be piss-weak, and the
general rule is the weaker
> they are the longer they talk. Before long, each
member of the roundtable 
> is
> waiting 45 minutes between transmissions, which
tends to encourage long
> old-buzzard transmissions when one finally does
get a turn to transmit. It
> is virtually impossible to carry on a simple
conversation with one other
> station on a topic of interest during prime-time
operating hours.
>
> Not that I mind joining in a nice chat with a
group of AM stations or 
> having
> others join in on a relaxed informal
conversation, and maybe attracting a
> newcomer or two to the mode. But sometimes I
find myself engaged in
> conversation with another station on a specific
topic of particular 
> interest
> to both of us, but then the inevitable breakers
enter the QSO without
> displaying any interest in the topic of
discussion, and before long the
> whole conversation is redirected off topic and
the original discussion
> fizzles before it is allowed to reach a
conclusion.  I find this highly
> annoying to say the least.
>
> What's the best way to handle this situation?
With CW there is a 
> convenient
> pro-sign that specifically tells the other
station and only that station 
> to
> transmit, and that all others should stand  by
until the ongoing
> communication is finished.  That pro-sign is KN
in lieu of a simple K at 
> the
> end of a transmission.  But I know of no
corresponding pro-sign for use 
> with
> phone.  Is it rude to ignore breakers, or must
they always be made to feel
> welcome to join any conversation regardless?
One technique when everyone 
> in
> the QSO has a strong signal, is to overlap the
carriers as one station 
> turns
> it over to the other so that there is no pause
between transmissions. Some
> people say they find that rude, but wouldn't it
be equally rude to 
> approach
> two or more strangers on the street, and to butt
into their conversation
> without being invited?
>
> I would suggest listening to the content of the
conversation in a QSO 
> before
> attempting to break in.  If the participants are
discussing a specific
> topic, do not attempt to interrupt unless you
have something to contribute
> to the topic at hand.   Listen carefully, and
you will likely hear clues 
> to
> whether or not they would welcome others to
join.  If there is any doubt,
> QSY to a nearby frequency and call CQ, or scan
the band for another 
> on-going
> QSO that would appear to be more welcoming to
breakers.
>
> We will generate more AM presence in the bands
with several simultaneous
> QSO's with 2 or 3 participants each, than with
everyone falling into one
> large, boring roundtable with 8 or more
stations, each taking their turn 
> to
> make a 10-20 minute transmission. On 75m, if
3870-90 is fully occupied,
> consider moving "down below" to 3600-3750 or
thereabouts, or give 160 or 
> 40
> a try.
>
> Don k4kyv
>
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