bcarling at cfl.rr.com
Sun Dec 1 20:10:08 EST 2013
Our guys are close that shipped via UPS. Even though they routinely step on things or stick a fork lift through the side of them they very warily managed to actually break any of the contents. They rarely double box anything. However they do use packing material that is thick foam and firm peanuts etc.
I frequently see corners that are crushed in and holes etc. real damage is very very rare.
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> On Dec 1, 2013, at 7:00 PM, "Todd, KA1KAQ" <ka1kaq at gmail.com> wrote:
> That's my point, Bry - it doesn't matter who you use, it's only a question of when. If you ship enough stuff, it's just a matter of time until they get you. I've received plenty of items from FedWrex that survived just fine. My mod transformer was packed well enough to survive transport under typical/usual handling. It was *clearly* mistreated as the packaging showed. There were no corners left on the box and it was covered with a gritty gray crud from being slid and kicked across a concrete floor. Looked like it had been dragged behind a truck down one of the typically-poor VT roads. That's the only item I've ever had really trashed that was packed properly.
> As a comparison, I received a radio sent from California, across the entire country, with barely any packing. There were a few (as in 4-5) flattened wads of newspaper inside and some kind of foam rubber children's blocks about 1/2 inch thick, held in a line by a piece of duct tape. When I got the box it rattled and clanked, and the radio slid around inside. Expected the worse, was amazed to see only a mobile mounting bracket missing its bolt on one side and flopping around. No other damage. It came via USPS and what's more amazing - it was packed by a commercial packing house, though clearly not a name-brand place. More like Joe's Brand X Shipping. Worst packing job ever and it survived nearly unscathed.
> This is why I referred to having had 'good luck' with UPS and USPS so far, because a lot of it is luck. Proper packing improves the chances a lot, but anything can be destroyed with a little effort. With all the shipping I've done and received over the years, I've been very lucky. Then again, not all the shipping folks are stupid gorilla types, which helps.
> For the most part, if you pack well and keep in mind the fact that the shipper is a shipper, not a babysitter, you'll make out well. When the item being shipped to you is rare or otherwise important and you're not absolutely comfortable with the seller's abilities, it pays to send along your own container with any needed materials, instructions, etc. I've done this too, it was well worth the extra time, effort, and minimal expense (compared to replacing it).
> That's something that always baffled me. Someone will search high and low to find an item, pay a lot for it, then insist on cutting corners with shipping. I don't want to pay unnecessarily high costs either, but I also want the item to arrive intact.
> ~ Todd/KAQ
>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Bry Carling <bcarling at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>> Todd, CL and others have made good points. On reflection I have had a few other issues with FedEx. It's not all golden and Murphy sometimes rules. Glad to see someone with the balls to mention cheap customers too. Get, we're hams. It happens.
>> Bry Carling
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>> > On Dec 1, 2013, at 10:25 AM, "Todd, KA1KAQ" <ka1kaq at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Some say that such markings simply give the handlers a bulls eye to aim
>> > for.
>> > I've had very good luck with both USPS and UPS in both shipping and
>> > receiving radio gear. A few months back I shipped a R-388 to a gent in the
>> > UK via Priority International for right around $200. $1000 less than UPS
>> > and $1300 less than FedWrex, and it arrived quickly and in fine shape. Of
>> > course, proper packing helps.
>> > I've posted about this before, in my case FedWrex, who others swear by, is
>> > the exception as they managed to smash a 45 lb transformer (no tubes or
>> > moving parts) that was mounted on a thick piece of plywood, surrounded with
>> > foam in a heavy duty box, then packed again in another box surrounded by
>> > thick, solid foam blocks & sheets. And it only had to travel roughly 200
>> > miles, from Maine to VT. I spoke with someone familiar with their hub
>> > procedures and he told me that certain people (he mentioned women but I
>> > suspect men too) who don't like 'heavy' packages - in this case, around
>> > 50-55 lbs total - will shove, slide, or otherwise drop them to the floor,
>> > then kick & slide them to where ever they need to go. When I received it
>> > the box was filthy and looked more like a soccer ball. One of the cast iron
>> > end frames was actually snapped clean through along with other minor
>> > damage. I've also had issues with what the FedWrex calculator says for a
>> > price vs what they actually charge.
>> > The most important thing to keep in mind when shipping, no matter who you
>> > use, is that their job is to move as many packages as fast as possible.
>> > That's how they make money and stay in business. Not by babysitting each
>> > package from point A to point B. They do have people who will do this. I
>> > believe they're called couriers, and they're not cheap. You get what you
>> > pay for. Virtually all shippers have clear instructions on what is expected
>> > for packaging up front. I've had some pretty poorly-packed items still
>> > arrive intact, amazingly. Between cheap, lazy and/or illiterate customers
>> > and inconsiderate, irresponsible, and downright corrupt handlers (plenty of
>> > youtube videos of UPS, FedEx, USPS carriers throwing parcels over walls,
>> > fences, etc), things are bound to go wrong. Best we can do is try to
>> > minimize it. When it's your turn, no sticker is going to help.
>> > ~ Todd, KA1KAQ/4
>> >> On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 12:20 AM, CL in NC <mjcal77 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> Did you know that you can write, stamp, or sticker the word Fragile on a
>> >> box sent via USPS, but if you don't tell the postal worker that the item is
>> >> indeed fragile and then they stamp it with the official red 'FRAGILE' stamp
>> >> that has the letters in outline form, the USPS does not consider it
>> >> fragile? Since it is not officially identified as fragile, any claims for
>> >> damage will lead you down that proverbial 'long row to how' before you get
>> >> to the end and any possible reimbursement. Learned the hard way on this
>> >> one.
>> >> Charlie, W4MEC in NC
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