[AMRadio] trouble Brewing in AM Window

kc9cdt at aol.com kc9cdt at aol.com
Thu Dec 12 14:08:46 EST 2013

Well everything you say makes sense depending on how you look at it.
I got my license in 1964 (WN8OJC----WA8OJC then).
We had very little issues.
We were gentlemen then.
It was and took a special kind of person to be a HAM...no, not everyone...but most.
The world has changed....and I get sick & tired of a few bad apples screwing up a lot of very good things for the masses.
I'm also tired of all the politically correct stuff..

So if I want to have a nice AM station and work 3885 (or any Freq.) we get there and have a QSO going we are supposed to have to have our experience ruined because FCC does not do their job?

Have you heard some of those QSO's on (mostly) 75 meters? Those people violate many FCC rules every night.
Some of them do not even have a license...if they do they don't use it.

If I was a FCC agent looking at 75 especially, I would be sending out notices and pulling licenses.
The fact is the FCC does not have funding for this because it makes them no $$$, I am for smaller government is most areas, butt this is one area we need federal oversight.

Just before the e-mail came out about all this...I was interested in listening to some AM on 75. I found a group around 3885 and then heard some splatter up a ways 3892 or so). I listened to the gang there plot and plan exactly how they were going to intentionally interfere with the 3885 group and that they were going to run them off. 

A very high % of all us hams are very good ops and try our best to be good neighbors on the bands. 

It is complicated...but ask yourself...can people really self police??
No, if so there would be no cops.

We need some jerks to loose their licenses. 
I still say if licensing was the way it used to be (Go to a FCC field office, take the code, if you pass you get the written, if you pass you get a license 6 weeks later) we would have a much better experience. If it costs $100 to take the tests...to cover FCC fine.

You know in 1960's every ham knew if he/she didn't follow FCC rules..they could and would loose their privileges.
You know why...because it happened. I got a ticket once for being 1 KC out of band...it scared the crap out of me! I fixed the issue right away. The ticket clearly stated if the issue happened again, I could loose my license.



-----Original Message-----
From: Todd, KA1KAQ <ka1kaq at gmail.com>
To: kc9cdt <kc9cdt at aol.com>
Cc: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thu, Dec 12, 2013 1:14 pm
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] trouble Brewing in AM Window

On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 10:18 PM,  <kc9cdt at aol.com> wrote:

My comment on the code was a short version of what I really meant.
It used to be a challenge to get a license, most of the types that we are dealing with just stayed with CB as they were too lazy to put in the work, which fits their personality.

The comment about code in no way was meant to be a slap on anyone that currently got a license in the no code world.
But relaxing the requirements on the tests including no code allowed SOME to get a license that would not have one today otherwise.

Seems the opposite is true: intentional interference to AM stations was FAR worse when the code requirement was in place. If your logic about the code having an impact on jamming is to be applied, we'd have to blame the 'know code' operators for so much interference being caused in the years before it was removed and thank the no code group for the improvement. Obviously the 'blame the lack of code' argument doesn't hold water. 
What we really need is FCC to step back to the plate.

I disagree, and as Mike(y) & others have indicated - be careful what you wish for here. 

The FCC has its hands full dealing with actual 'important' (as in 'life & death') radio services on a 24/7 basis. They're responsible for checking compliance and tracking down interference with aircraft, police, fire, EMS, maritime, etc etc etc. The last thing they need or want is to be pestered by what comes across as a bunch of poorly behaved kids fighting over some 'hobby' radio service. If it gets to a point where they have to weigh in and deal with it, you'll see results not unlike a parent intervening with two children: they won't care who started it, they'll simply act. In the long run, this can add to problems we've already had to deal with over power levels, bandwidth, or whatever else someone decides to pounce on in the process. And as others have made clear, we have *more than a few* bad AMers out there who provide ample cause to put the mode under equal scrutiny.

That's not to say that the FCC shouldn't be expected to keep an eye on things as they do, merely that the amateur service has always been seen as 'self-policing' and expected to be such over the years. There has been and continues to be plenty of enforcement, even if not focused on some AM-related issue.

I'm curious as to how long you've been licensed, Lee? I've only been a ham for just over 30 years but I've heard intentional interference since Day 1 and even well before. It was far worse in the 80s-90s toward AM and even worse in the 60s-70s. AM has gained in popularity a lot over the last decade-plus, and interference issues are a fraction of what they once were.  

In fact, why this is even being discussed is beyond me. It's nothing new, it's happened before and will happen again. Stirring people up over it solves nothing other than to perhaps encourage some of the more easily-led types to take the "I'll show THEM" attitude and respond with like behavior. I guess it also provides a 21st century opportunity online to have those discussions of yesteryear where some old fudds would sit around on the same frequency every day discussing their dentures, liver spots, or pissing and moaning about XYZ. No denture issues here, but I'm glad I got to join in. (o:

As Warren and many others have said - Ignore people who try to interfere with you. Never acknowledge them in any way, on the air or online. Use enough power to have a comfortable contact. Avoid idiots (on the air and in everyday life, for that matter). Operate elsewhere and go on about life. It's a hobby, after all. 

~ Todd,  KA1KAQ/4

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