|[AMRadio] trouble Brewing in AM Window|
kc9cdt at aol.com
kc9cdt at aol.com
Thu Dec 12 14:47:57 EST 2013
You are probably right...
But, this issue is getting bad for lots of us.
Why not get FCC to take care of business in a few cases...word gets around.
Any night on 75, many tickets could be written.
It's been out of control for a long while.
Back in early 60's I don't remember much if any of this going on....at least only an occasional personality conflict.
Summit DCS LLC
From: W5AMI <ars.w5ami at gmail.com>
To: Todd, KA1KAQ <ka1kaq at gmail.com>
Cc: kc9cdt <kc9cdt at aol.com>; Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thu, Dec 12, 2013 2:37 pm
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] trouble Brewing in AM Window
My feelings exactly Todd.
None of this is anything new. Maybe to those who have just decided to make the plunge into AM now see what we have dealt with for many many years. But, I also belong to a local group on SSB, and we deal with the same thing, always have, as far back as I can remember.
I know it gets under the skin, and people often have to get verbal about it on the air, but, it is BEST to ignore it. You can't argue with an idiot, as you will never win that contest. That's what they want ...a REACTION! Do not give the idiot what he desires, just ignore him, and he will eventually go away.
I would prefer NOT to open the can of worms and call in the OO's, and possibly resort to requesting FCC monitoring stations over this thing. We (AMers) don't need any additional scrutiny either. Hell, I hear people messing with CW ops too! It's not just us AMers!! Like I said, just ignore them! If you can't hear the other station you are in QSO with, just make some excuse to sign, but don't say on the air that the idiot is keeping me from hearing you. If you do, you have then gave him satisfaction, and he will be back the next night to do it all over again.
Brian / w5ami
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Todd, KA1KAQ <ka1kaq at gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 10:18 PM, <kc9cdt at aol.com> wrote:
> My comment on the code was a short version of what I really meant.
> It used to be a challenge to get a license, most of the types that we are
> dealing with just stayed with CB as they were too lazy to put in the work,
> which fits their personality.
> The comment about code in no way was meant to be a slap on anyone that
> currently got a license in the no code world.
> But relaxing the requirements on the tests including no code allowed SOME
> to get a license that would not have one today otherwise.
Seems the opposite is true: intentional interference to AM stations was FAR
worse when the code requirement was in place. If your logic about the code
having an impact on jamming is to be applied, we'd have to blame the 'know
code' operators for so much interference being caused in the years before
it was removed and thank the no code group for the improvement. Obviously
the 'blame the lack of code' argument doesn't hold water.
> What we really need is FCC to step back to the plate.
I disagree, and as Mike(y) & others have indicated - be careful what you
wish for here.
The FCC has its hands full dealing with actual 'important' (as in 'life &
death') radio services on a 24/7 basis. They're responsible for checking
compliance and tracking down interference with aircraft, police, fire, EMS,
maritime, etc etc etc. The last thing they need or want is to be pestered
by what comes across as a bunch of poorly behaved kids fighting over some
'hobby' radio service. If it gets to a point where they have to weigh in
and deal with it, you'll see results not unlike a parent intervening with
two children: they won't care who started it, they'll simply act. In the
long run, this can add to problems we've already had to deal with over
power levels, bandwidth, or whatever else someone decides to pounce on in
the process. And as others have made clear, we have *more than a few* bad
AMers out there who provide ample cause to put the mode under equal
That's not to say that the FCC shouldn't be expected to keep an eye on
things as they do, merely that the amateur service has always been seen as
'self-policing' and expected to be such over the years. There has been and
continues to be plenty of enforcement, even if not focused on some
I'm curious as to how long you've been licensed, Lee? I've only been a ham
for just over 30 years but I've heard intentional interference since Day 1
and even well before. It was far worse in the 80s-90s toward AM and even
worse in the 60s-70s. AM has gained in popularity a lot over the last
decade-plus, and interference issues are a fraction of what they once
In fact, why this is even being discussed is beyond me. It's nothing new,
it's happened before and will happen again. Stirring people up over it
solves nothing other than to perhaps encourage some of the more easily-led
types to take the "I'll show THEM" attitude and respond with like behavior.
I guess it also provides a 21st century opportunity online to have those
discussions of yesteryear where some old fudds would sit around on the same
frequency every day discussing their dentures, liver spots, or pissing and
moaning about XYZ. No denture issues here, but I'm glad I got to join in.
As Warren and many others have said - Ignore people who try to interfere
with you. Never acknowledge them in any way, on the air or online. Use
enough power to have a comfortable contact. Avoid idiots (on the air and in
everyday life, for that matter). Operate elsewhere and go on about life.
It's a hobby, after all.
~ Todd, KA1KAQ/4
"Who feeds a hungry animal feeds his own soul" - Charles Chaplin
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