From kenw8ek at gmail.com Fri Jul 4 20:16:36 2014 From: kenw8ek at gmail.com (Ken Simpson, W8EK) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 20:16:36 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] TenTec and related items FS Message-ID: <53B743E4.3040703@gmail.com> TenTec "Scout" Accessories, Power Supplies, RF Speech Processors, Digital Rotor Control, Communications Speakers, Coaxial Antenna Switches, Noise Filter, AC Line Voltage Meter, Low Pass TVI Filters, Bird Wattmeter, and other miscellaneous accessories For Sale: Accessories for TenTec 555 Scout For Sale: All of these items are used with the TenTec Model 555 "Scout" HF transceiver. Band modules for 80/75, 20, and 15 meters. Band modules are $55 each. TenTec 297 noise blanker for the 555 Scout It works great on impulse / ignition type of noise. Not as great on other kinds, such as static crashes. $75 TenTec hand microphone It appears to be a model 701, but that info is not on the mic. Four pin connector can be used on any of the TenTec rigs with the 4 pin connector. Works fine and looks close to new. With paper work for $30. TenTec 715 RF Speech Processor: The Model 715 RF Speech Processor is a high performance true RF-type speech processor designed to operate with most modern HF Amateur Radio transceivers. RF speech processing is a superior system to traditional AF systems found in a typical HF transceiver. ..Increase average SSB power output by up to 6 dB ..Enhance readability by stations hearing your signal ..Break pileups for DXpeditions faster ..Keep your net or contest run frequency clearer ..Easy to install, easy to operate The 715 RF speech processor is installed between the microphone and the microphone jack on your transceiver. Two microphone inputs are provided -- an 8 pin microphone connector wired for TenTec and Yaesu, and a 1/8? input used for direct connection of microphones. 13 V DC required. This particular unit works 100% and looks like new. Paper work is included for $200. TenTec 234 RF Speech Processor The 234 is the predecessor to the 715 speech processor (listed above) except it matches the early Omni Series A, B, and C rigs, and others of that era. It has both a 4 pin plug and a 1/4 inch stereo jack for input. It needs 13 V DC at low current. It is an extremely effective unit, typically providing about a 6 db increase in talk power. With paperwork for $150. HyGain DCU-1 Deluxe Digital Rotor Control Box: The innovative DCU-1 Pathfinder Digital Rotor control unit gives you automatic operation of your brake and rotor. It has computer control with RS-232 pass through and is compatible with many logging and contest programs as well. It has 6 presets for your favorite beam settings, 1 degree heading accuracy, automatic 8-second brake delay, and 360 degree choice for center of rotation. It operates at 110V. The DCU-1 digital rotor control unit is compatible with the T-2X, HAM-IV, and HAM-V families of rotators. This unit works fine and looks fine as well. Paper work is included for $450. APC "Pro 7" Noise Filter and Surge Suppressor: This unit has 7 outlets, with a 6 foot cord, and provides surge suppressor for your equipment. It also provides noise filtering / EMI / RFI suppression of 60 db. There is $75,000 worth of insurance included. It comes with a lifetime warranty, and I think this is APC's "Top of the line" unit. Detailed specs can be found at http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=PRO7 This one appears to be new, unused, in its original box. Only $18/ TenTec Switching Power Supply: "Switcher / 25" 25 amp switching power supply: This is a 25 amp switching power supply in a case that matches the early Omni series case, with the metal bezel around it. It is in a case that is the same size as a 243 remote VFO. It has an ammeter on the front, along with Switch, TenTec logo, and output bulb. The front panel basically looks like a 280 power supply with a metal bezel, but says "Switcher/25" on it. It is very quiet, and well shielded, and does not produce any electrical noise that I could find. $140 Kepco Variable Bench Power Supply: This is an ideal bench power supply! It is a Kepco Model ABC 40-0.5, which means that it will produce from zero up to 40 V DC at up to 1/2 amp. Great for the bench. The voltage is adjustable with a 10 turn pot from close to zero, up to about 40 volts. There is a fairly large analog meter that reads the voltage. There is also current limiting built in that is adjustable from about 100 ma to up to about 700 ma. The same meter that reads voltage can be switched to read current, or short circuit current (the point that the current limit is set). In addition, there are connections on the back to allow remote sensing and remote programming. This is a quality regulated power supply! This particular unit works 100%, and looks extremely nice. $85 Low Pass TVI Filters: A low pass TVI filter is added to the transmitter to reduce harmonic interference. All have SO-239 connectors and are 50 ohm filters. Johnson 250-20 This cylindrical low pass filter has a cut off frequency of 45 MHz and 75 db of attenuation, and is adjustable. Rated at 1000 Watts AM, or 5000 Watts PEP SSB. The fact that it is adjustable, means you can get rid of more TVI, and it is rated to handle higher power than most. A real win-win situation. $30 or with mounting bracket, $35. B & W 425 (same as FL-10/1500) Cuts off just above 10 meters, and handles 1500 Watts. Newer case style, $30. Older, heavier copper style case, painted gray. $35 Para Dynamics PDC 1089 This filter is rated at a full Kilowatt, up to 30 MHz. 5 x 6 x 2 inch black box, instead of the long enclosure. $25 Coaxial Antenna Switches: All work fine, look fine, and use SO-239 connectors. B & W Model 550 A Coax Switch This model will switch up to 5 antennas, and does NOT ground unused antennas. Coax comes out the side, like spokes of a wheel. It will handle the full legal limit. $35 SCP Comm Switch SC-40-AS Coax Switch Three position antenna switch in rectangular box. Connectors on the back. In original box. May be new. $25 Two position "Strip Line" Coax Switches: These switches utilize metal cavity construction for max efficiency and high isolation. Isolation is better than 50 dB at 300 MHz with low insertion loss less. All are two position and are typically rated for 2500 W PEP, and good to 600 MHz. Diawa CS-201 - $22 Opek CX-201 - $22 MFJ 1702 C - With center position that grounds both antennas, and added lightning protection. $25 Bird 43 Watt Meter: The Bird 43 is an insertion type RF watt meter, designed to measure RF power and load match in 50 ohm coaxial transmission lines. It is intended for use with CW, AM, FM, and TV modulation. It measures power from 100 mw to 10KW, depending on the element used. The meter provides direct readings in watts with an expanded scale for easy reading. The scale is graduated for 25, 50, and 100 full scale. Elements are available in a variety of power, and frequency ranges. This particular meter is model 4300.21 manufactured in March 1957, so it is the older, well constructed model. It has "N" connectors, with the leather handle, which is in good shape. The meter works well. $175 50 H Element for Bird Wattmeter This measures 50 watts full scale over the HF spectrum from 2 to 30 MHz. $65 Buy both of the above together for $225. Communications Speakers: Realistic 21-549 A This speaker is about 4 inches square and about 2 inches deep. It is rated for 5 watts, has an 8 ohm impedance, and is listed as a 300 to 3000 Hz frequency response, making it ideal for communications. It has a 3.5 mm (1/8 inch) mono plug, as used by most modern rigs. Gimbal mount included. It is black in color, looks great, and sounds great. $12 Vanco SPB-5 Appears to be the same at above, but with a Vanco label. Also includes gimbal mount. $12 Vanco SPB-6 Similar to SPB-5 above, but is considered a noise cancelling speaker. 10 Watt rating. Still in original box, new. $18 Cables for CW keyers and keys: Cable for paddles About 3 feet long, and with a 1/8 inch (3.5 mm) stereo connector on the end, like used by most rigs. $8 As above, but 1/4 inch plug. $8 As above, with GOLD 1/4 inch plug. $15 Cable for straight key About 3 feet long, with a mono 1/8 inch (3.5 mm) phone plug on it, as used with a straight key. $5 As above, but 1/4 inch plug. $5 I also have many other accessories available such as many different types of microphones, HTs, VHF and UHF rigs, antennas, etc. Just too many things to list here. Please e-mail your requests. Prices do not include shipping from Florida. Thanks. 73, Ken, W8EK Ken Simpson E-mail to W8EK at FLHam.net or W8EK at arrl.net Voice Phone (352) 732-8400 From amradio at mailman.qth.net Fri Jul 4 22:44:51 2014 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (CL in NC via AMRadio) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 19:44:51 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] Too bad those IRS emails dont do this Message-ID: <1404528291.93155.YahooMailBasic@web160605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I just saw my email from a while ago pop up again, the one about Visual on T1. Through contact here I got in touch with Bill Carns of the CCA and he gave me all the info I need to get the 75S3B T1 going again. I think I found at Surplus Sales of Neb., the original paper form for this coil, I put the micrometer on mine and the one they listed for $1 each was dimensionally exact, so we'll see how it goes from there. Charlie, W4MEC in NC From k4kyv at charter.net Sat Jul 5 13:15:16 2014 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 13:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AMRadio] US House Bill Requires HOAs comply with PRB-1 Message-ID: <618c5029.352cd.1470785d303.Webtop.45@charter.net> > The country has no stomach for the national government at this > point... it will only be seen as another intrusion. I'm not saying > don't send your letters, make your phone calls ETC ...but- The FCC did pre-empt satellite TV dishes. If they are able to accommodate them, why not hams? The FCC was the one that threw in the suggestion of congressional action. Don k4kyv From rbethman at comcast.net Sat Jul 5 13:49:27 2014 From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2014 13:49:27 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] US House Bill Requires HOAs comply with PRB-1 In-Reply-To: <618c5029.352cd.1470785d303.Webtop.45@charter.net> References: <618c5029.352cd.1470785d303.Webtop.45@charter.net> Message-ID: <53B83AA7.10703@comcast.net> I know of at *least* one HOA that *still* won't tolerate satellite TV dishes! The FCC apparently does things differently in different places! Bob - N0DGN On 7/5/2014 1:15 PM, Donald Chester wrote: > >> The country has no stomach for the national government at this >> point... it will only be seen as another intrusion. I'm not saying >> don't send your letters, make your phone calls ETC ...but- > > The FCC did pre-empt satellite TV dishes. If they are able to > accommodate them, why not hams? > > The FCC was the one that threw in the suggestion of congressional action. > > > Don k4kyv From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Sat Jul 5 14:12:56 2014 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 13:12:56 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] US House Bill Requires HOAs comply with PRB-1 In-Reply-To: <53B83AA7.10703@comcast.net> References: <618c5029.352cd.1470785d303.Webtop.45@charter.net> <53B83AA7.10703@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 12:49 PM, rbethman wrote: > I know of at *least* one HOA that *still* won't tolerate satellite TV > dishes! There's lots of that. They either don't know about the FCC, or they know but hope you don't, or they'll keep the policy until someone calls them on it with a lawsuit. There's actually hams who LIKE HOAs. I think that's another sign of a bogus phoney ham right there. There was some guy in Arizona who posted on eham.net that he liked HOAs. I checked out his QRZ page. A shack of plastic radios and his antenna is.....a teeny mobile screw driver whip antenna outside on the ground with a bunch of radials. Probably a 20 minute transmission with a BC610 on phone would melt that screwdriver coil form. No word about how well his radio reception is. I'd think a screwdriver vertical would stink for receiving, especially on the low bands. Here we are on the July 4th Holiday weekend when we celebrate "Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" and we fought how many wars over Liberty? and some folks will just pee it all away signing a HOA contract... pretty sad in my opinion. 73 Rob K5UJ From rbethman at comcast.net Sat Jul 5 14:35:47 2014 From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2014 14:35:47 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] US House Bill Requires HOAs comply with PRB-1 In-Reply-To: References: <618c5029.352cd.1470785d303.Webtop.45@charter.net> <53B83AA7.10703@comcast.net> Message-ID: <53B84583.90907@comcast.net> On 7/5/2014 2:12 PM, Rob Atkinson wrote: > On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 12:49 PM, rbethman wrote: >> I know of at *least* one HOA that *still* won't tolerate satellite TV >> dishes! > There's lots of that. They either don't know about the FCC, or they > know but hope you don't, or they'll keep the policy until someone > calls them on it with a lawsuit. > > There's actually hams who LIKE HOAs. I think that's another sign of a > bogus phoney ham right there. > > There was some guy in Arizona who posted on eham.net that he liked > HOAs. I checked out his QRZ page. A shack of plastic radios and his > antenna is.....a teeny mobile screw driver whip antenna outside on the > ground with a bunch of radials. Probably a 20 minute transmission > with a BC610 on phone would melt that screwdriver coil form. No word > about how well his radio reception is. I'd think a screwdriver > vertical would stink for receiving, especially on the low bands. > > Here we are on the July 4th Holiday weekend when we celebrate "Life > Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" and we fought how many wars over > Liberty? and some folks will just pee it all away signing a HOA > contract... pretty sad in my opinion. > > 73 > > Rob > K5UJ This one is so far off the end, they dictated that the McDonalds franchise open with all "earth tones" in lieu of the normal colors. McDonalds didn't win their battle either! There are two particular neighborhoods within about 12 miles from me that ARE like that! One won't even allow the kids to have a basketball goal "visible", nor would it let the residents decorate their mailboxes to match the Holiday Season. I made sure when I retired from Uncle Sam that I bought a home with NO HOAs or covenants! My son is in one in Georgia. They blasted him for his son's car leaking oil on the driveway. This garbage has to go! Let them go create a dictator neighborhood floating out at sea! Bob - N0DGN From deswynar at xplornet.ca Sat Jul 5 14:40:46 2014 From: deswynar at xplornet.ca (Eddy Swynar) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 14:40:46 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] US House Bill Requires HOAs comply with PRB-1 In-Reply-To: <53B84583.90907@comcast.net> References: <618c5029.352cd.1470785d303.Webtop.45@charter.net> <53B83AA7.10703@comcast.net> <53B84583.90907@comcast.net> Message-ID: These insidious HOAs exist primarily because we were stupid enough to have agreed to them... ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ On 2014-07-05, at 2:35 PM, rbethman wrote: > On 7/5/2014 2:12 PM, Rob Atkinson wrote: >> On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 12:49 PM, rbethman wrote: >>> I know of at *least* one HOA that *still* won't tolerate satellite TV >>> dishes! >> There's lots of that. They either don't know about the FCC, or they >> know but hope you don't, or they'll keep the policy until someone >> calls them on it with a lawsuit. >> >> There's actually hams who LIKE HOAs. I think that's another sign of a >> bogus phoney ham right there. >> >> There was some guy in Arizona who posted on eham.net that he liked >> HOAs. I checked out his QRZ page. A shack of plastic radios and his >> antenna is.....a teeny mobile screw driver whip antenna outside on the >> ground with a bunch of radials. Probably a 20 minute transmission >> with a BC610 on phone would melt that screwdriver coil form. No word >> about how well his radio reception is. I'd think a screwdriver >> vertical would stink for receiving, especially on the low bands. >> >> Here we are on the July 4th Holiday weekend when we celebrate "Life >> Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" and we fought how many wars over >> Liberty? and some folks will just pee it all away signing a HOA >> contract... pretty sad in my opinion. >> >> 73 >> >> Rob >> K5UJ > This one is so far off the end, they dictated that the McDonalds franchise open with all "earth tones" in lieu of the normal colors. McDonalds didn't win their battle either! > > There are two particular neighborhoods within about 12 miles from me that ARE like that! One won't even allow the kids to have a basketball goal "visible", nor would it let the residents decorate their mailboxes to match the Holiday Season. > > I made sure when I retired from Uncle Sam that I bought a home with NO HOAs or covenants! > > My son is in one in Georgia. They blasted him for his son's car leaking oil on the driveway. > > This garbage has to go! Let them go create a dictator neighborhood floating out at sea! > > Bob - N0DGN > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From rbethman at comcast.net Sat Jul 5 14:48:42 2014 From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2014 14:48:42 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] US House Bill Requires HOAs comply with PRB-1 In-Reply-To: References: <618c5029.352cd.1470785d303.Webtop.45@charter.net> <53B83AA7.10703@comcast.net> <53B84583.90907@comcast.net> Message-ID: <53B8488A.6000202@comcast.net> On 7/5/2014 2:40 PM, Eddy Swynar wrote: > These insidious HOAs exist primarily because we were stupid enough to > have agreed to them... > > */~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ/* I've NEVER agreed to such nonsense..... I signed a blank check to Uncle Sam when I began my career. Even Uncle Sam didn't have issues like these! My antenna farms followed me around! I even was allowed to put them up overseas. NO neighborhood will EVER get a blank check from me! I haven't found one worthy yet! Bob - N0DGN From deswynar at xplornet.ca Sat Jul 5 14:55:23 2014 From: deswynar at xplornet.ca (Eddy Swynar) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 14:55:23 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] US House Bill Requires HOAs comply with PRB-1 In-Reply-To: <53B8488A.6000202@comcast.net> References: <618c5029.352cd.1470785d303.Webtop.45@charter.net> <53B83AA7.10703@comcast.net> <53B84583.90907@comcast.net> <53B8488A.6000202@comcast.net> Message-ID: <9EB3977F-C006-49F4-A7DD-C55AB0F0EDCA@xplornet.ca> On 2014-07-05, at 2:48 PM, rbethman wrote: > On 7/5/2014 2:40 PM, Eddy Swynar wrote: >> These insidious HOAs exist primarily because we were stupid enough to have agreed to them... >> >> */~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ/* > I've NEVER agreed to such nonsense..... > > I signed a blank check to Uncle Sam when I began my career. > > Even Uncle Sam didn't have issues like these! > > My antenna farms followed me around! > > I even was allowed to put them up overseas. > > NO neighborhood will EVER get a blank check from me! I haven't found one worthy yet! > > Bob - N0DGN Hi Bob, I wholeheartedly agree with you...in fact, we've made a coupla moves here since I became licensed some 43 years ago, & in each instance that's the FIRST thing I ask, i.e. ARE THERE COVENANTS OF ANY KIND HERE...? I just can NOT imagine forking over six figures for a dream home, yet leaving an avenue of "THOU SHALL NOT..." open for me to have to abide by. No way. It's my place, I paid for it, I pay for the taxes, I maintain it---what right does anyone have to come & tell me that I can't put up an antenna ON MY PLACE...?! They can all go straight to U-NO-WHERE as far as I'm concerned...and they should MIND THEIR OWN BUSINESS, too. ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ From amradio at mailman.qth.net Sat Jul 5 17:15:06 2014 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (Bill Guyger via AMRadio) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 16:15:06 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] US House Bill Requires HOAs comply with PRB-1 In-Reply-To: <53B83AA7.10703@comcast.net> References: <618c5029.352cd.1470785d303.Webtop.45@charter.net> <53B83AA7.10703@comcast.net> Message-ID: <024B0C8F-A19D-4B8E-851C-D9B9CF416AAF@yahoo.com> No sat dishes? Wonder if someone on the HOA board has a financial interest in the local cable company....... Bill AD5OL Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 5, 2014, at 12:49 PM, rbethman wrote: > > I know of at *least* one HOA that *still* won't tolerate satellite TV dishes! > > The FCC apparently does things differently in different places! > > Bob - N0DGN > > >> On 7/5/2014 1:15 PM, Donald Chester wrote: >> >>> The country has no stomach for the national government at this point... it will only be seen as another intrusion. I'm not saying don't send your letters, make your phone calls ETC ...but- >> >> The FCC did pre-empt satellite TV dishes. If they are able to accommodate them, why not hams? >> >> The FCC was the one that threw in the suggestion of congressional action. >> >> >> Don k4kyv > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From ka1kaq at gmail.com Sat Jul 5 17:23:18 2014 From: ka1kaq at gmail.com (Todd, KA1KAQ) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 17:23:18 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] US House Bill Requires HOAs comply with PRB-1 In-Reply-To: References: <618c5029.352cd.1470785d303.Webtop.45@charter.net> <53B83AA7.10703@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Rob Atkinson wrote: > > There's actually hams who LIKE HOAs. I think that's another sign of a > bogus phoney ham right there. > What makes them 'bogus' and 'phoney', Rob? The fact that they don't think like you or enjoy the same aspects of the hobby that you enjoy? > There was some guy in Arizona who posted on eham.net that he liked > HOAs. I checked out his QRZ page. A shack of plastic radios and his > antenna is.....a teeny mobile screw driver whip antenna outside on the > ground with a bunch of radials. Probably a 20 minute transmission > with a BC610 on phone would melt that screwdriver coil form. No word > about how well his radio reception is. I'd think a screwdriver > vertical would stink for receiving, especially on the low bands. > You'd think wrong. I've got a small (5-6 ft) vertical whip installed *inside* here hooked up to a SP-100 that I receive AM 740 out of Toronto with just fine. Same goes for any ham AM signal with a little power behind it. Here we are on the July 4th Holiday weekend when we celebrate "Life > Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" and we fought how many wars over > Liberty? and some folks will just pee it all away signing a HOA > contract... pretty sad in my opinion. > In my opinion it's sad that you'd marginalize others simply because they don't think like you do. If being part of a HOA makes them happy, where's the harm? It's one less person taking up good radio space others who detest HOAs could be using, by your view. Or, simply someone exercising their right to choose. Exactly what 'independence' means. ~ Todd, KA1KAQ/4 From ka1kaq at gmail.com Sat Jul 5 17:38:06 2014 From: ka1kaq at gmail.com (Todd, KA1KAQ) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 17:38:06 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] US House Bill Requires HOAs comply with PRB-1 In-Reply-To: References: <618c5029.352cd.1470785d303.Webtop.45@charter.net> <53B83AA7.10703@comcast.net> <53B84583.90907@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Eddy Swynar wrote: > These insidious HOAs exist primarily because we were stupid enough to have > agreed to them... > Precisely, Ed. It's difficult for anyone with half an ounce of common sense to feel sorry for anyone who willingly signed away their rights. If you dig a little bit, you'll find that it's usually more because the little lady wanted to live in XYZ Housing development and husband said "yes, dear". Perhaps a smart thing if he valued his marriage more than his hobby. I don't for one second buy the argument that someone is a 'victim' because they chose to become part of a HOA arrangement. I've heard the argument over and over how 'some people have no choice, there's just nothing else out there'. Hogwash. When we moved here (NC) my wife was from Tampa and I was born & raised in VT. I left my gov't job to come here in the interest of my wife pursuing her career in education(her 4+ degrees trumps my education by a bit and I wasn't terribly thrilled with the new age administration that came along in late 2008 anyway). My wife's school is in north Raleigh and we were shown homes in numerous developments nearby, all with HOA restrictions. We opted to retain as many of our property rights as possible and instead purchased a home 26 miles away, with 3 acres and zero restrictions. When it comes to HOAs, convenience often times trumps common sense. That's the moral of the story here. But to complain or actually *wish* for further government intervention is foolish. Think of these HOAs as collecting areas for the people who we don't want next door to us pissing and moaning about our antennas, firearms, vehicles, or whatever else they don't like. I'm fine with the courts deciding certain rights can't be signed away. I have zero sympathy for someone who willingly signs their rights away then cries about it after, especially since no one(other than a wife, perhaps) is forcing them to. I'm no Einstein, and I managed to avoid the plethora of HOAs and buy a decent home. Huh. Don't like HOAs? Don't join one. Don't like plastic radios? Don't buy one. Need the gov't to help you figure that out? Now *that* is sad. Be careful what you wish for. Happy July 4th weekend to those who can still think for themselves and live with their choices. (o: ~ Todd/KAQ From rbethman at comcast.net Sat Jul 5 17:49:00 2014 From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2014 17:49:00 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] US House Bill Requires HOAs comply with PRB-1 In-Reply-To: <024B0C8F-A19D-4B8E-851C-D9B9CF416AAF@yahoo.com> References: <618c5029.352cd.1470785d303.Webtop.45@charter.net> <53B83AA7.10703@comcast.net> <024B0C8F-A19D-4B8E-851C-D9B9CF416AAF@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <53B872CC.50807@comcast.net> Nope! They don't like roofing that doesn't meet *THEIR* color approval either! They do NOT like exterior lighting that doesn't meet their approval, and I could go on and on! Most folks just refer to it as the "Nazi" neighborhood! Sent a decease and desist letter to a resident when they decorated the Spruce tree in their own yard when they attempted to show some holiday spirit for Christmas! I do my best to not even drive through it if I can avoid it! Bob - N0DGN On 7/5/2014 5:15 PM, Bill Guyger wrote: > No sat dishes? Wonder if someone on the HOA board has a financial interest in the local cable company....... > > Bill AD5OL > > Sent from my iPhone From w5jo at brightok.net Sat Jul 5 17:50:13 2014 From: w5jo at brightok.net (Jim Wilhite) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 16:50:13 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] US House Bill Requires HOAs comply with PRB-1 In-Reply-To: References: <618c5029.352cd.1470785d303.Webtop.45@charter.net><53B83AA7.10703@comcast.net><53B84583.90907@comcast.net> Message-ID: <55972C3CA4E34FDD8E1DAE9A84D4BED6@JimPC> Hi All, This topic can touch some nerves. While you may not agree with someone that does not mean you can't be respectful of their argument. Please be careful when you answer for the written word is cold while, spoken in person, the same words can be inviting of discussion. I don't want to squelch the discussion because this is a topic the ARRL is pursuing to change. So please add information about the subject while maintaining respect for the other person. Maybe a good idea will surface that can be given to the powers that be that will have a positive influence on the government agencies and individuals. 73 All Jim W5JO Moderator From pulsarxp at embarqmail.com Sat Jul 5 18:00:02 2014 From: pulsarxp at embarqmail.com (L L bahr ) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 18:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AMRadio] US House Bill Requires HOAs comply with PRB-1 In-Reply-To: <53B872CC.50807@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1677594819.14735831.1404597602414.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com> A friend of mine was cited twice. Once because he put a bird bath in his side yard without approval. Another time he got one because they felt he left his garage door open too long. I hate them too, however in Texas they are almost a necessity as there are no or few city building codes or ordinances. You surely don't want to build a $500,000 house in a subdivision and have a person bring in a double wide trailer to be your neighbor either. I'm having an antenna problem right now in my neighborhood. I had a tower approved but didn't put it up. In the meantime my neighbor who is on the architectural committee didn't like the approval so they illegally passed a regulation you have 6 months or need new approval if you don't follow through with the initial approval. I argued I am grandfathered and have no time restriction. In about two weeks I'll be putting up the tower. The association is honoring my grandfathering, but my neighbor told me he never plans to talk to me again. I guess that is the way it will have to be. The idea of associations is a good one, however, you have people put on these committees with their own agendas or have lack of knowledge or don't have good judgment abilities. Then as the committee members change, so do the standards. There is no checks or balances or standards who gets on these boards or committees. Lee, w0vt From ka1kaq at gmail.com Sat Jul 5 18:43:58 2014 From: ka1kaq at gmail.com (Todd, KA1KAQ) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 18:43:58 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] US House Bill Requires HOAs comply with PRB-1 In-Reply-To: <1677594819.14735831.1404597602414.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com> References: <53B872CC.50807@comcast.net> <1677594819.14735831.1404597602414.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 6:00 PM, L L bahr wrote: > I hate them too, however in Texas they are almost a necessity as there are > no or few city building codes or ordinances. You surely don't want to > build a $500,000 house in a subdivision and have a person bring in a double > wide trailer to be your neighbor either. Simple solution: buy enough land so you won't have an undesirable situation next door - even if it means only building, say - a $200K house. We went for less house here and more land/fewer restrictions. Haven't regretted it. After finally selling our previous house recently, we've started looking again for something bigger(a new member of the family made this already small house too small) and a bit closer in to Raleigh. I'm amazed at the $500K+ McMansions built on an acre with another house so close you can hear their conversations. And people buy them. Whatever floats their boat, it's not for me. > The association is honoring my grandfathering, but my neighbor told me he > never plans to talk to me again. I guess that is the way it will have to > be. And that's a problem even outside HOAs: you might have GREAT neighbors for 5 years. Then they move, and you end up with absolute idiots next to you. All the more reason to have a buffer zone. OTOH, applying the same logic says your neighbor will move at some point and you'll get a better one. > The idea of associations is a good one, however, you have people put on > these committees with their own agendas or have lack of knowled > ge or don't have good judgment abilities. Then as the committee members > change, so do the standards. There is no checks or balances or standards > who gets on these boards or committees. > Not a lot different than politics, really. And yet another reason to avoid them, in my opinion. The rational, reasonable people eventually leave and you get some idealistic member with zero common sense who knows what's best for everyone else telling you what you can and can't do. Some day I might think differently. In the meantime, I don't begrudge others their right to live there if they want. But if I'm paying the mortgage, upkeep, taxes and whatever else, I surely don't want someone else telling me what to do with my property. I'd get a condo and avoid the upkeep if I wanted that. Just wait Lee, until your new tower starts getting into your neighbor's computer speakers. You know it's coming, even if you don't have an antenna hooked up. (o: ~ Todd/KAQ From k4kyv at charter.net Mon Jul 7 13:26:40 2014 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 12:26:40 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 126, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000701cf9a08$9d567aa0$d8036fe0$@charter.net> >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Rob Atkinson Re: [AMRadio] US House Bill Requires HOAs comply with PRB-1 There's actually hams who LIKE HOAs. I think that's another sign of a bogus phoney ham right there. There was some guy in Arizona who posted on eham.net that he liked HOAs. I checked out his QRZ page. A shack of plastic radios and his antenna is.....a teeny mobile screw driver whip antenna outside on the ground with a bunch of radials Rob K5UJ >>>>> I agree wholeheartedly. Another one to add to the original "Phony Operator" list. Of course you have to keep in mind that some people don't have a sense of humour. Don k4kyv PS: Here's the original list with the addition: YOU JUST MIGHT BE A PHONY OPERATOR IF... You say you are running 400 watts with your Valiant or DX-100. You think a Johnson Kilowatt Matchbox is a 2.4 KW Tuner. You refer to a DX 60 or a Yeasu FT 101-E as a "Boat Anchor" You refer to a rig like the Yaesu FT-901, Kenwood TS-820 or Drake TR-7 as "vintage" or "antique". You refer to one's name as the "first personal" or just "personal". You end a QSO with "Seventy-Thirds" or just "Threes". You try to break into an ongoing QSO by shouting "Contact". You finish an AM transmission in a QSO that is NOT operating fast break-in, and just drop the carrier with no prior warning like a callsign or saying "over", "back to you", "go ahead", etc., leaving the other operator(s) wondering if you lost power or your rig crapped out. You pronounce QRZ.com as "CUE ARE ZEE" dot com" You "laugh" on phone by saying "High High" or worse still, "Aitch Eye". You tell someone with a strapping signal he is "wall to wall, treetop tall". You refer to switching over to AM as "Going to the AM side". You "ratchet-jaw" instead of ragchewing. You refer to a microphone with a built in preamp as a "Power Mic" You try to whistle up your RF power level when running FM. You insert "there" between every two or three words in your conversation. You refer to the phone bands as the "SSB bands". You refer to your home station as a "base station". You call your transmitter or transceiver a "radio" instead of a "rig". You believe the reflected power returns back to your final and makes the tubes run red. You refer to standing wave ratio as "SWRs" [plural] You use the word "dot" in decimal fractions instead of "point". You call the UHF female jack on the back of your rig the "antenna port". You report renewed sunspot activity when it is only sporadic E. Your idea of calling CQ is to just say your call, then pause. You use "QRZ?" in place of "CQ." You test by uttering "audio, audio, aaaaaaudio". You operate SSB using VOX, and make "aaaah" sounds between words to prevent the rig from dropping out of transmit mode. You transmit on AM using VOX. You refer to every RF power amplifier as a "linear" regardless of Class A, B, or C. You pronounce linear "LEEN-YAR" You use coax for your HF antenna feedline because you heard that open-wire line radiates. You think the ideal horizontal antenna is the G5RV, and the ideal 160m vertical is 43 ft. tall. **You are a ham but you like HOAs** What others can you think of? --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com From macklinbob at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 13:47:41 2014 From: macklinbob at gmail.com (K5MYJ) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 10:47:41 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 126, Issue 2 References: <000701cf9a08$9d567aa0$d8036fe0$@charter.net> Message-ID: The problem is today most young people have to buy a new home in a development with HOAs or an older home without HOAs. Financing the new home with HOAs is easier than older homes without HOAs. Then there are older people with deeper pockets that can buy places out in the country where there are NO RESTICIONS. I'm 80 years old and live in a RETIREMENT CLOSET. I have a 40M dipole 6" below my ceiling! 40M and 15M are enough for me. Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa. "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Chester" To: Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 126, Issue 2 >>>>>> > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rob Atkinson > Re: [AMRadio] US House Bill Requires HOAs comply with PRB-1 > > There's actually hams who LIKE HOAs. I think that's another sign of a > bogus phoney ham right there. > > There was some guy in Arizona who posted on eham.net that he liked > HOAs. I checked out his QRZ page. A shack of plastic radios and his > antenna is.....a teeny mobile screw driver whip antenna outside on the > ground with a bunch of radials > > Rob > K5UJ >>>>>> > > I agree wholeheartedly. Another one to add to the original "Phony > Operator" > list. Of course you have to keep in mind that some people don't have a > sense > of humour. > > Don k4kyv > > > PS: Here's the original list with the addition: > > > YOU JUST MIGHT BE A PHONY OPERATOR IF... > > You say you are running 400 watts with your Valiant or DX-100. > > You think a Johnson Kilowatt Matchbox is a 2.4 KW Tuner. > > You refer to a DX 60 or a Yeasu FT 101-E as a "Boat Anchor" > > You refer to a rig like the Yaesu FT-901, Kenwood TS-820 or Drake TR-7 as > "vintage" or "antique". > > You refer to one's name as the "first personal" or just "personal". > > You end a QSO with "Seventy-Thirds" or just "Threes". > > You try to break into an ongoing QSO by shouting "Contact". > > You finish an AM transmission in a QSO that is NOT operating fast > break-in, > and just drop the carrier with no prior warning like a callsign or saying > "over", "back to you", "go ahead", etc., leaving the other operator(s) > wondering if you lost power or your rig crapped out. > > You pronounce QRZ.com as "CUE ARE ZEE" dot com" > > You "laugh" on phone by saying "High High" or worse still, "Aitch Eye". > > You tell someone with a strapping signal he is "wall to wall, treetop > tall". > > You refer to switching over to AM as "Going to the AM side". > > You "ratchet-jaw" instead of ragchewing. > > You refer to a microphone with a built in preamp as a "Power Mic" > > You try to whistle up your RF power level when running FM. > > You insert "there" between every two or three words in your conversation. > > You refer to the phone bands as the "SSB bands". > > You refer to your home station as a "base station". > > You call your transmitter or transceiver a "radio" instead of a "rig". > > You believe the reflected power returns back to your final and makes the > tubes run red. > > You refer to standing wave ratio as "SWRs" [plural] > > You use the word "dot" in decimal fractions instead of "point". > > You call the UHF female jack on the back of your rig the "antenna port". > > You report renewed sunspot activity when it is only sporadic E. > > Your idea of calling CQ is to just say your call, then pause. > > You use "QRZ?" in place of "CQ." > > You test by uttering "audio, audio, aaaaaaudio". > > You operate SSB using VOX, and make "aaaah" sounds between words to > prevent > the rig from dropping out of transmit mode. > > You transmit on AM using VOX. > > You refer to every RF power amplifier as a "linear" regardless of Class A, > B, or C. > > You pronounce linear "LEEN-YAR" > > You use coax for your HF antenna feedline because you heard that open-wire > line radiates. > > You think the ideal horizontal antenna is the G5RV, and the ideal 160m > vertical is 43 ft. tall. > > **You are a ham but you like HOAs** > > > What others can you think of? > > > > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From hbrnut at suddenlink.net Mon Jul 7 14:36:05 2014 From: hbrnut at suddenlink.net (WA5VGO) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 13:36:05 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 126, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: <000701cf9a08$9d567aa0$d8036fe0$@charter.net> References: <000701cf9a08$9d567aa0$d8036fe0$@charter.net> Message-ID: <5C04D155-60E7-4B9A-81F5-C7E45FFC4550@suddenlink.net> Guess I'm a phony ham. I live in a community with HOA's and I like it. It helps to maintain my property value and creates a pleasant living experience. By the way, I regularly talk to several people on this board and I'm certain they'll tell you I'm as loud as anyone else here. I've also talked to Don many times and he's never complained about my signal strength. Darrell On Jul 7, 2014, at 12:26 PM, "Donald Chester" wrote: > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rob Atkinson > Re: [AMRadio] US House Bill Requires HOAs comply with PRB-1 > > There's actually hams who LIKE HOAs. I think that's another sign of a > bogus phoney ham right there. > > There was some guy in Arizona who posted on eham.net that he liked > HOAs. I checked out his QRZ page. A shack of plastic radios and his > antenna is.....a teeny mobile screw driver whip antenna outside on the > ground with a bunch of radials > > Rob > K5UJ > > I agree wholeheartedly. Another one to add to the original "Phony Operator" > list. Of course you have to keep in mind that some people don't have a sense > of humour. > > Don k4kyv > > > PS: Here's the original list with the addition: > > > YOU JUST MIGHT BE A PHONY OPERATOR IF... > > You say you are running 400 watts with your Valiant or DX-100. > > You think a Johnson Kilowatt Matchbox is a 2.4 KW Tuner. > > You refer to a DX 60 or a Yeasu FT 101-E as a "Boat Anchor" > > You refer to a rig like the Yaesu FT-901, Kenwood TS-820 or Drake TR-7 as > "vintage" or "antique". > > You refer to one's name as the "first personal" or just "personal". > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rob Atkinson > Re: [AMRadio] US House Bill Requires HOAs comply with PRB-1 > > There's actually hams who LIKE HOAs. I think that's another sign of a > bogus phoney ham right there. > > There was some guy in Arizona who posted on eham.net that he liked > HOAs. I checked out his QRZ page. A shack of plastic radios and his > antenna is.....a teeny mobile screw driver whip antenna outside on the > ground with a bunch of radials > > Rob > K5UJ > > I agree wholeheartedly. Another one to add to the original "Phony Operator" > list. Of course you have to keep in mind that some people don't have a sense > of humour. > > Don k4kyv > > > PS: Here's the original list with the addition: > > > YOU JUST MIGHT BE A PHONY OPERATOR IF... > > You say you are running 400 watts with your Valiant or DX-100. > > You think a Johnson Kilowatt Matchbox is a 2.4 KW Tuner. > > You refer to a DX 60 or a Yeasu FT 101-E as a "Boat Anchor" > > You refer to a rig like the Yaesu FT-901, Kenwood TS-820 or Drake TR-7 as > "vintage" or "antique". > > You refer to one's name as the "first personal" or just "personal". > > You end a QSO with "Seventy-Thirds" or just "Threes". > > You try to break into an ongoing QSO by shouting "Contact". > > You finish an AM transmission in a QSO that is NOT operating fast break-in, > and just drop the carrier with no prior warning like a callsign or saying > "over", "back to you", "go ahead", etc., leaving the other operator(s) > wondering if you lost power or your rig crapped out. > > You pronounce QRZ.com as "CUE ARE ZEE" dot com" > > You "laugh" on phone by saying "High High" or worse still, "Aitch Eye". > > You tell someone with a strapping signal he is "wall to wall, treetop tall". > > You refer to switching over to AM as "Going to the AM side". > > You "ratchet-jaw" instead of ragchewing. > > You refer to a microphone with a built in preamp as a "Power Mic" > > You try to whistle up your RF power level when running FM. > > You insert "there" between every two or three words in your conversation. > > You refer to the phone bands as the "SSB bands". > > You refer to your home station as a "base station". > > You call your transmitter or transceiver a "radio" instead of a "rig". > > You believe the reflected power returns back to your final and makes the > tubes run red. > > You refer to standing wave ratio as "SWRs" [plural] > > You use the word "dot" in decimal fractions instead of "point". > > You call the UHF female jack on the back of your rig the "antenna port". > > You report renewed sunspot activity when it is only sporadic E. > > Your idea of calling CQ is to just say your call, then pause. > > You use "QRZ?" in place of "CQ." > > You test by uttering "audio, audio, aaaaaaudio". > > You operate SSB using VOX, and make "aaaah" sounds between words to prevent > the rig from dropping out of transmit mode. > > You transmit on AM using VOX. > > You refer to every RF power amplifier as a "linear" regardless of Class A, > B, or C. > > You pronounce linear "LEEN-YAR" > > You use coax for your HF antenna feedline because you heard that open-wire > line radiates. > > You think the ideal horizontal antenna is the G5RV, and the ideal 160m > vertical is 43 ft. tall. > > **You are a ham but you like HOAs** > > > What others can you think of? > > > > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From jayw5jay at cox.net Mon Jul 7 14:37:46 2014 From: jayw5jay at cox.net (Jay Bromley) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 13:37:46 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 126, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009801cf9a12$8c51e5a0$a4f5b0e0$@cox.net> Hi Rob and Don, I think we are seeing just the culture changing. I taught a technician class just a year ago and we had the largest turn out ever and all got their license. I spent tons of time talking about antennas and more than one evening on just "antennas". I would always preach antenna, antenna, antenna! Two things I noticed right off, gone are the ex-CBers, replaced by the storm chaser want-ta-bees, the survivalists, and a few others had family members they wanted to emulate that were now SK status. I had one gentleman in particular that agonized for weeks over getting his first antenna up I the air! I would go over to his QTH and say something like you have such nice trees just hang up a doublet off them. His reply was, oh my wife would never allow me to do that or that would look ugly. I am not sure about the wife comment as she was in the class as well and got her license too. She was pushing and supporting him the whole way. The home they have is in a nice neighborhood and it is indeed a nice looking place. However to me I don't think a few wires in the tree tops would have hurt anything! Most of the time you get them high enough you never see them! In his case he was looking for a single antenna that works all the bands and is not that big. One of those not so cheap do it all verticals, that have horrible performance, he kept looking at and coming back to! Some of the class just didn't get all my preaching about the single most important thing in a station is the antenna. In the end, I got him to put up a simple 2 element Moxon. He is working the world, but he doesn't have the experience to know just how much money and grief I saved him. So in the end, I am not sure I did him any good. I have seen guys quit the hobby over a POC antenna and not making contacts, but did he really learn anything from me in the end without the struggling for himself? I've even noticed myself changing on this, not the antennas per say, but prefer to do my antenna hanging when folks are not at home. As they walk by they always look up, but no one has ever said a thing to me. Still I just heard the other day at another ham's home someone asking if the outside antenna was even legal and this was not in protected sub division!! Just getting more land may not the solution either. Just ask a few hams that have tons of acreage that went to court over their antennas! This antenna thing is getting to be a real hassle even with the some of the folks that have the land that wanted to put up some nice towers. Now some counties are having antenna ordinances added to their books. Just like so many things in our lives now, a few decades ago no one would have cared or say anything! A real shame IMHO. Antennas are ham radio and no ham should have to worry about what he does on his own land as long as it is done in a safe manner! 73 de w5jay.. -----Original Message----- From: AMRadio [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Donald Chester Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 12:27 PM To: amradio at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 126, Issue 2 >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Rob Atkinson Re: [AMRadio] US House Bill Requires HOAs comply with PRB-1 There's actually hams who LIKE HOAs. I think that's another sign of a bogus phoney ham right there. There was some guy in Arizona who posted on eham.net that he liked HOAs. I checked out his QRZ page. A shack of plastic radios and his antenna is.....a teeny mobile screw driver whip antenna outside on the ground with a bunch of radials Rob K5UJ >>>>> I agree wholeheartedly. Another one to add to the original "Phony Operator" list. Of course you have to keep in mind that some people don't have a sense of humour. Don k4kyv PS: Here's the original list with the addition: YOU JUST MIGHT BE A PHONY OPERATOR IF... You say you are running 400 watts with your Valiant or DX-100. You think a Johnson Kilowatt Matchbox is a 2.4 KW Tuner. You refer to a DX 60 or a Yeasu FT 101-E as a "Boat Anchor" You refer to a rig like the Yaesu FT-901, Kenwood TS-820 or Drake TR-7 as "vintage" or "antique". You refer to one's name as the "first personal" or just "personal". You end a QSO with "Seventy-Thirds" or just "Threes". You try to break into an ongoing QSO by shouting "Contact". You finish an AM transmission in a QSO that is NOT operating fast break-in, and just drop the carrier with no prior warning like a callsign or saying "over", "back to you", "go ahead", etc., leaving the other operator(s) wondering if you lost power or your rig crapped out. You pronounce QRZ.com as "CUE ARE ZEE" dot com" You "laugh" on phone by saying "High High" or worse still, "Aitch Eye". You tell someone with a strapping signal he is "wall to wall, treetop tall". You refer to switching over to AM as "Going to the AM side". You "ratchet-jaw" instead of ragchewing. You refer to a microphone with a built in preamp as a "Power Mic" You try to whistle up your RF power level when running FM. You insert "there" between every two or three words in your conversation. You refer to the phone bands as the "SSB bands". You refer to your home station as a "base station". You call your transmitter or transceiver a "radio" instead of a "rig". You believe the reflected power returns back to your final and makes the tubes run red. You refer to standing wave ratio as "SWRs" [plural] You use the word "dot" in decimal fractions instead of "point". You call the UHF female jack on the back of your rig the "antenna port". You report renewed sunspot activity when it is only sporadic E. Your idea of calling CQ is to just say your call, then pause. You use "QRZ?" in place of "CQ." You test by uttering "audio, audio, aaaaaaudio". You operate SSB using VOX, and make "aaaah" sounds between words to prevent the rig from dropping out of transmit mode. You transmit on AM using VOX. You refer to every RF power amplifier as a "linear" regardless of Class A, B, or C. You pronounce linear "LEEN-YAR" You use coax for your HF antenna feedline because you heard that open-wire line radiates. You think the ideal horizontal antenna is the G5RV, and the ideal 160m vertical is 43 ft. tall. **You are a ham but you like HOAs** What others can you think of? --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From rbethman at comcast.net Mon Jul 7 15:04:17 2014 From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 15:04:17 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. In-Reply-To: <009801cf9a12$8c51e5a0$a4f5b0e0$@cox.net> References: <009801cf9a12$8c51e5a0$a4f5b0e0$@cox.net> Message-ID: <53BAEF31.6080703@comcast.net> Then we also have to deal with someone in the neighborhood, we have NO HOA or covenants, that is suddenly knocking on your door complaining that your signal is getting into his Chinese made wireless phone handset. I've had to set him down and explain that his phone is covered under Part 15. Trying to nicely explain that it isn't my fault that my "clean" signal gets into his phone. I fired up the radio, showed him the monitor scope, and the power output. That and the fact that my signal did NOT get into my wireless handset, which is less than 8 feet away from the transmitter. That is the ONE and ONLY squawk since 1988. None before him and none after him. Most of the neighborhood was "still" on outdoor antennas attached to their chimneys, myself included. Bob - N0DGN On 7/7/2014 2:37 PM, Jay Bromley wrote: > Hi Rob and Don, > I think we are seeing just the culture changing. I taught a technician > class just a year ago and we had the largest turn out ever and all got their > license. I spent tons of time talking about antennas and more than one > evening on just "antennas". I would always preach antenna, antenna, > antenna! > > Two things I noticed right off, gone are the ex-CBers, replaced by the storm > chaser want-ta-bees, the survivalists, and a few others had family members > they wanted to emulate that were now SK status. > > I had one gentleman in particular that agonized for weeks over getting his > first antenna up I the air! I would go over to his QTH and say something > like you have such nice trees just hang up a doublet off them. His reply > was, oh my wife would never allow me to do that or that would look ugly. I > am not sure about the wife comment as she was in the class as well and got > her license too. She was pushing and supporting him the whole way. The > home they have is in a nice neighborhood and it is indeed a nice looking > place. However to me I don't think a few wires in the tree tops would have > hurt anything! Most of the time you get them high enough you never see > them! > > In his case he was looking for a single antenna that works all the bands and > is not that big. One of those not so cheap do it all verticals, that have > horrible performance, he kept looking at and coming back to! Some of the > class just didn't get all my preaching about the single most important thing > in a station is the antenna. In the end, I got him to put up a simple 2 > element Moxon. He is working the world, but he doesn't have the experience > to know just how much money and grief I saved him. So in the end, I am not > sure I did him any good. I have seen guys quit the hobby over a POC antenna > and not making contacts, but did he really learn anything from me in the end > without the struggling for himself? > > I've even noticed myself changing on this, not the antennas per say, but > prefer to do my antenna hanging when folks are not at home. As they walk by > they always look up, but no one has ever said a thing to me. Still I just > heard the other day at another ham's home someone asking if the outside > antenna was even legal and this was not in protected sub division!! > > Just getting more land may not the solution either. Just ask a few hams > that have tons of acreage that went to court over their antennas! This > antenna thing is getting to be a real hassle even with the some of the folks > that have the land that wanted to put up some nice towers. Now some > counties are having antenna ordinances added to their books. > > Just like so many things in our lives now, a few decades ago no one would > have cared or say anything! A real shame IMHO. Antennas are ham radio and > no ham should have to worry about what he does on his own land as long as it > is done in a safe manner! 73 de w5jay.. From amradio at mailman.qth.net Mon Jul 7 15:05:42 2014 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (CL in NC via AMRadio) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 12:05:42 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] Militray Chan number vs freq Message-ID: <1404759942.48093.YahooMailBasic@web160601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> How low do the channel numbers go on the military FT243's? Working back mathematically from 7100, Chan 328, Chan 1 would be another dimension if the 25KC per channel spacing held throughout. Did they spacing change the lower you went? Charlie, W4MEC in NC From jayw5jay at cox.net Mon Jul 7 15:23:19 2014 From: jayw5jay at cox.net (Jay Bromley) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 14:23:19 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 126, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: References: <000701cf9a08$9d567aa0$d8036fe0$@charter.net> Message-ID: <00b401cf9a18$e93faa30$bbbefe90$@cox.net> HI Darrell, I think there have been a few studies and court cases on this, which never found towers and wires to devalue a home or neighborhood. Maybe you are thinking of different stuff that might affect the property value? There are many towers near here in my neighborhood and the houses around them continue to go on the market and sell over and over again. Maybe it is from all the RFI, hi. Darrell sorry I forget your antenna system, did they allow you to put up a tower there? What did you have to do for permission? The requirements with my local HOA continue to change over the years. In the old days one would ask permission and then they would contact the surrounding neighbors. When I put up my tower they had me go to the surrounding neighbors asking them to sign a piece of paper saying it was OK. I had one neighbor that was trouble, but in the end he even signed it as I was on full go. All of them seemed reluctant to sign anything legal looking. Now the HOA don't seem to even care as another ham just inquired one street over from here and didn't require him to do anything! Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see junk cars scattered around or trash on the lawn, but a nice tower and wire antennas is not an eyesore to me. Antennas are just necessary for ham radio. Funny when a town gets blown away like a few of them did here, their attitudes seem to change about antennas and ham radio. Just ask Brian about Mayflower, AR. BTW this has nothing to do with antennas, but show how far extreme we are going to this political correctness. Last year I got busted for my riding mower which has three cutting blades blowing grass clippings into the street. Something I see most lawn care professionals doing all the time with leaf blowers! The informant was a lady up the street to this day I don't know who she is. It was 115 degrees outside and normally it takes me a few hours to do the lawn work. Being a diabetic and with herniated disk, I just could go any more and went inside. I do try to take great pride in how my lawn looks and do my best. Normally I do clean up the clippings, however I wasn't feeling great that day and my wife even said do it another day. So I thought I would get to it the next few days. When I got busted for the said grass clippings, I asked what about the tree leaves and pine needles, as they are more of an eye sore than my grass clippings! Well I was told that leaves and pine needles are dead material. Well so was my grass clippings, but there is an ordinance against grass, hi. So I added a mulching kit to the riding mower, which I had planned to do anyway. I thought about not picking up leaves that fall, but in the end did my deed for the good of the surrounding hood! :-) 73 de jay/w5jay.. -----Original Message----- From: AMRadio [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of WA5VGO Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 1:36 PM Cc: Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 126, Issue 2 Guess I'm a phony ham. I live in a community with HOA's and I like it. It helps to maintain my property value and creates a pleasant living experience. By the way, I regularly talk to several people on this board and I'm certain they'll tell you I'm as loud as anyone else here. I've also talked to Don many times and he's never complained about my signal strength. Darrell On Jul 7, 2014, at 12:26 PM, "Donald Chester" wrote: > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rob Atkinson > Re: [AMRadio] US House Bill Requires HOAs comply with PRB-1 > > There's actually hams who LIKE HOAs. I think that's another sign of a > bogus phoney ham right there. > > There was some guy in Arizona who posted on eham.net that he liked > HOAs. I checked out his QRZ page. A shack of plastic radios and his > antenna is.....a teeny mobile screw driver whip antenna outside on the > ground with a bunch of radials > > Rob > K5UJ > > I agree wholeheartedly. Another one to add to the original "Phony Operator" > list. Of course you have to keep in mind that some people don't have a > sense of humour. > > Don k4kyv > > > PS: Here's the original list with the addition: > > > YOU JUST MIGHT BE A PHONY OPERATOR IF... > > You say you are running 400 watts with your Valiant or DX-100. > > You think a Johnson Kilowatt Matchbox is a 2.4 KW Tuner. > > You refer to a DX 60 or a Yeasu FT 101-E as a "Boat Anchor" > > You refer to a rig like the Yaesu FT-901, Kenwood TS-820 or Drake TR-7 > as "vintage" or "antique". > > You refer to one's name as the "first personal" or just "personal". > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rob Atkinson > Re: [AMRadio] US House Bill Requires HOAs comply with PRB-1 > > There's actually hams who LIKE HOAs. I think that's another sign of a > bogus phoney ham right there. > > There was some guy in Arizona who posted on eham.net that he liked > HOAs. I checked out his QRZ page. A shack of plastic radios and his > antenna is.....a teeny mobile screw driver whip antenna outside on the > ground with a bunch of radials > > Rob > K5UJ > > I agree wholeheartedly. Another one to add to the original "Phony Operator" > list. Of course you have to keep in mind that some people don't have a > sense of humour. > > Don k4kyv > > > PS: Here's the original list with the addition: > > > YOU JUST MIGHT BE A PHONY OPERATOR IF... > > You say you are running 400 watts with your Valiant or DX-100. > > You think a Johnson Kilowatt Matchbox is a 2.4 KW Tuner. > > You refer to a DX 60 or a Yeasu FT 101-E as a "Boat Anchor" > > You refer to a rig like the Yaesu FT-901, Kenwood TS-820 or Drake TR-7 > as "vintage" or "antique". > > You refer to one's name as the "first personal" or just "personal". > > You end a QSO with "Seventy-Thirds" or just "Threes". > > You try to break into an ongoing QSO by shouting "Contact". > > You finish an AM transmission in a QSO that is NOT operating fast > break-in, and just drop the carrier with no prior warning like a > callsign or saying "over", "back to you", "go ahead", etc., leaving > the other operator(s) wondering if you lost power or your rig crapped out. > > You pronounce QRZ.com as "CUE ARE ZEE" dot com" > > You "laugh" on phone by saying "High High" or worse still, "Aitch Eye". > > You tell someone with a strapping signal he is "wall to wall, treetop tall". > > You refer to switching over to AM as "Going to the AM side". > > You "ratchet-jaw" instead of ragchewing. > > You refer to a microphone with a built in preamp as a "Power Mic" > > You try to whistle up your RF power level when running FM. > > You insert "there" between every two or three words in your conversation. > > You refer to the phone bands as the "SSB bands". > > You refer to your home station as a "base station". > > You call your transmitter or transceiver a "radio" instead of a "rig". > > You believe the reflected power returns back to your final and makes > the tubes run red. > > You refer to standing wave ratio as "SWRs" [plural] > > You use the word "dot" in decimal fractions instead of "point". > > You call the UHF female jack on the back of your rig the "antenna port". > > You report renewed sunspot activity when it is only sporadic E. > > Your idea of calling CQ is to just say your call, then pause. > > You use "QRZ?" in place of "CQ." > > You test by uttering "audio, audio, aaaaaaudio". > > You operate SSB using VOX, and make "aaaah" sounds between words to > prevent the rig from dropping out of transmit mode. > > You transmit on AM using VOX. > > You refer to every RF power amplifier as a "linear" regardless of > Class A, B, or C. > > You pronounce linear "LEEN-YAR" > > You use coax for your HF antenna feedline because you heard that > open-wire line radiates. > > You think the ideal horizontal antenna is the G5RV, and the ideal 160m > vertical is 43 ft. tall. > > **You are a ham but you like HOAs** > > > What others can you think of? > > > > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From jayw5jay at cox.net Mon Jul 7 15:28:29 2014 From: jayw5jay at cox.net (Jay Bromley) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 14:28:29 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. In-Reply-To: References: <009801cf9a12$8c51e5a0$a4f5b0e0$@cox.net> Message-ID: <00b501cf9a19$a25345e0$e6f9d1a0$@cox.net> Hi Rob, That is the way it should be IMHO, working together. I just sent out a funny but true story on grass clippings. If the neighbor had asked me in person I would have told her why I didn't get them up that day. If she had asked the other neighbors she would have learned I was a good guy. It is always better to be in person, but so many just want to be invisible informants! Getting back to antennas, this is a great neighborhood overall. Many folks walk during the evening, it never fails they look at the antennas, but no one really cares enough to ask what they are. I often wonder what they are thinking when they look, but know enough not to ask them! :-) 73 de w5jay/jay.. -----Original Message----- From: AMRadio [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of rbethman Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 2:04 PM To: amradio at mailman.qth.net Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. Then we also have to deal with someone in the neighborhood, we have NO HOA or covenants, that is suddenly knocking on your door complaining that your signal is getting into his Chinese made wireless phone handset. I've had to set him down and explain that his phone is covered under Part 15. Trying to nicely explain that it isn't my fault that my "clean" signal gets into his phone. I fired up the radio, showed him the monitor scope, and the power output. That and the fact that my signal did NOT get into my wireless handset, which is less than 8 feet away from the transmitter. That is the ONE and ONLY squawk since 1988. None before him and none after him. Most of the neighborhood was "still" on outdoor antennas attached to their chimneys, myself included. Bob - N0DGN On 7/7/2014 2:37 PM, Jay Bromley wrote: > Hi Rob and Don, > I think we are seeing just the culture changing. I taught a > technician class just a year ago and we had the largest turn out ever > and all got their license. I spent tons of time talking about > antennas and more than one evening on just "antennas". I would always > preach antenna, antenna, antenna! > > Two things I noticed right off, gone are the ex-CBers, replaced by the > storm chaser want-ta-bees, the survivalists, and a few others had > family members they wanted to emulate that were now SK status. > > I had one gentleman in particular that agonized for weeks over getting > his first antenna up I the air! I would go over to his QTH and say > something like you have such nice trees just hang up a doublet off > them. His reply was, oh my wife would never allow me to do that or > that would look ugly. I am not sure about the wife comment as she was > in the class as well and got her license too. She was pushing and > supporting him the whole way. The home they have is in a nice > neighborhood and it is indeed a nice looking place. However to me I > don't think a few wires in the tree tops would have hurt anything! > Most of the time you get them high enough you never see them! > > In his case he was looking for a single antenna that works all the > bands and is not that big. One of those not so cheap do it all > verticals, that have horrible performance, he kept looking at and > coming back to! Some of the class just didn't get all my preaching > about the single most important thing in a station is the antenna. In > the end, I got him to put up a simple 2 element Moxon. He is working > the world, but he doesn't have the experience to know just how much > money and grief I saved him. So in the end, I am not sure I did him > any good. I have seen guys quit the hobby over a POC antenna and not > making contacts, but did he really learn anything from me in the end without the struggling for himself? > > I've even noticed myself changing on this, not the antennas per say, > but prefer to do my antenna hanging when folks are not at home. As > they walk by they always look up, but no one has ever said a thing to > me. Still I just heard the other day at another ham's home someone > asking if the outside antenna was even legal and this was not in protected sub division!! > > Just getting more land may not the solution either. Just ask a few > hams that have tons of acreage that went to court over their antennas! > This antenna thing is getting to be a real hassle even with the some > of the folks that have the land that wanted to put up some nice > towers. Now some counties are having antenna ordinances added to their books. > > Just like so many things in our lives now, a few decades ago no one > would have cared or say anything! A real shame IMHO. Antennas are > ham radio and no ham should have to worry about what he does on his > own land as long as it is done in a safe manner! 73 de w5jay.. ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From hbrnut at suddenlink.net Mon Jul 7 15:49:21 2014 From: hbrnut at suddenlink.net (WA5VGO) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 14:49:21 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 126, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: <00b401cf9a18$e93faa30$bbbefe90$@cox.net> References: <000701cf9a08$9d567aa0$d8036fe0$@charter.net> <00b401cf9a18$e93faa30$bbbefe90$@cox.net> Message-ID: <4A21769D-4491-4C10-BFB0-099B4BB8BE35@suddenlink.net> Jay, Good to hear from you. I have a 40 meter dipole up 60' in the oak trees. Forty meters is the only band I have any interest in. I didn't need permission to put it up. As you know, I run KW-1 and Viking 500 transmitters. I use several homebrew receivers. I've built more equipment in the past five years than most people on this list will build in a lifetime. I've been licensed almost 50 years and have never operated CB radio. But, all of that aside, I guess I'm not a real ham. Darrell > > On Jul 7, 2014, at 2:23 PM, "Jay Bromley" wrote: > > > Darrell sorry I forget your antenna system, did they allow you to put up a > tower there? What did you have to do for permission? > > From frisbysigns at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 7 15:50:44 2014 From: frisbysigns at sbcglobal.net (ROY FRISBY) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 12:50:44 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 126, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1404762644.77408.YahooMailNeo@web181004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To add a little humor to the discussion on "Antenna Issues".? ??? The local town council here had a couple of complaints concerning a young lady running a big linear and getting into tv's.? They decided that they would pass an ordinance outlawing the use of linear amplifiers and cb towers inside the city proper.? Someone got wind of their intentions and the word got out to the cb community.. I attended the next city council meeting to represent the amateur community, along with about 200 cb'ers with blood in their eyes. It was standing room only in the city hall council chambers. The city council realized that there was probably going to be a lynching if the ordinance passed so it was taken off the table, never to be brought up again.? Their excuse that night was that they realized that only the FCC had the authority to pass such a law. 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Message-ID: <53BAEF31.6080703 at comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Then we also have to deal with someone in the neighborhood, we have NO HOA or covenants, that is suddenly knocking on your door complaining that your signal is getting into his Chinese made wireless phone handset. I've had to set him down and explain that his phone is covered under Part 15. Trying to nicely explain that it isn't my fault that my "clean" signal gets into his phone. I fired up the radio, showed him the monitor scope, and the power output. That and the fact that my signal did NOT get into my wireless handset, which is less than 8 feet away from the transmitter. That is the ONE and ONLY squawk since 1988. None before him and none after him. Most of the neighborhood was "still" on outdoor antennas attached to their chimneys, myself included. Bob - N0DGN On 7/7/2014 2:37 PM, Jay Bromley wrote: > Hi Rob and Don, > I think we are seeing just the culture changing.? I taught a technician > class just a year ago and we had the largest turn out ever and all got their > license.? I spent tons of time talking about antennas and more than one > evening on just "antennas".? I would always preach antenna, antenna, > antenna! > > Two things I noticed right off, gone are the ex-CBers, replaced by the storm > chaser want-ta-bees, the survivalists, and a few others had family members > they wanted to emulate that were now SK status. > > I had one gentleman in particular that agonized for weeks over getting his > first antenna up I the air!? I would go over to his QTH and say something > like you have such nice trees just hang up a doublet off them.? His reply > was, oh my wife would never allow me to do that or that would look ugly.? I > am not sure about the wife comment as she was in the class as well and got > her license too.? She was pushing and supporting him the whole way.? The > home they have is in a nice neighborhood and it is indeed a nice looking > place.? However to me I don't think a few wires in the tree tops would have > hurt anything!? Most of the time you get them high enough you never see > them! > > In his case he was looking for a single antenna that works all the bands and > is not that big.? One of those not so cheap do it all verticals, that have > horrible performance, he kept looking at and coming back to!? Some of the > class just didn't get all my preaching about the single most important thing > in a station is the antenna.? In the end, I got him to put up a simple 2 > element Moxon.? He is working the world, but he doesn't have the experience > to know just how much money and grief I saved him.? So in the end, I am not > sure I did him any good.? I have seen guys quit the hobby over a POC antenna > and not making contacts, but did he really learn anything from me in the end > without the struggling for himself? > > I've even noticed myself changing on this, not the antennas per say, but > prefer to do my antenna hanging when folks are not at home.? As they walk by > they always look up, but no one has ever said a thing to me.? Still I just > heard the other day at another ham's home someone? asking if the outside > antenna was even legal and this was not in protected sub division!! > > Just getting more land may not the solution either.? Just ask a few hams > that have tons of acreage that went to court over their antennas!? This > antenna thing is getting to be a real hassle even with the some of the folks > that have the land that wanted to put up some nice towers.? Now some > counties are having antenna ordinances added to their books. > > Just like so many things in our lives now, a few decades ago no one would > have cared or say anything!? A real shame IMHO.? Antennas are ham radio and > no ham should have to worry about what he does on his own land as long as it > is done in a safe manner!? 73 de w5jay.. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 12:05:42 -0700 From: CL in NC via AMRadio To: amradio at mailman.qth.net Subject: [AMRadio] Militray Chan number vs freq Message-ID: ??? <1404759942.48093.YahooMailBasic at web160601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How low do the channel numbers go on the military FT243's?? Working back mathematically from 7100, Chan 328, Chan 1 would be another dimension if the 25KC per channel spacing held throughout.? Did they spacing change the lower you went? Charlie, W4MEC in NC ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 14:23:19 -0500 From: "Jay Bromley" To: "'WA5VGO'" Cc: amradio at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 126, Issue 2 Message-ID: <00b401cf9a18$e93faa30$bbbefe90$@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="us-ascii" HI Darrell, I think there have been a few studies and court cases on this, which never found towers and wires to devalue a home or neighborhood.? Maybe you are thinking of different stuff that might affect the property value?? There are many towers near here in my neighborhood and the houses around them continue to go on the market and sell over and over again.? Maybe it is from all the RFI, hi.? Darrell sorry I forget your antenna system, did they allow you to put up a tower there?? What did you have to do for permission?? The requirements with my local HOA continue to change over the years.? In the old days one would ask permission and then they would contact the surrounding neighbors.? When I put up my tower they had me go to the surrounding neighbors asking them to sign a piece of paper saying it was OK. I had one neighbor that was trouble, but in the end he even signed it as I was on full go.? All of them seemed reluctant to sign anything legal looking.? Now the HOA don't seem to even care as another ham just inquired one street over from here and didn't require him to do anything! Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see junk cars scattered around or trash on the lawn, but a nice tower and wire antennas is not an eyesore to me. Antennas are just necessary for ham radio.? Funny when a town gets blown away like a few of them did here, their attitudes seem to change about antennas and ham radio.? Just ask Brian about Mayflower, AR.? BTW this has nothing to do with antennas, but show how far extreme we are going to this political correctness.? Last year I got busted for my riding mower which has three cutting blades blowing grass clippings into the street.? Something I see most lawn care professionals doing all the time with leaf blowers!? The informant was a lady up the street to this day I don't know who she is.? It was 115 degrees outside and normally it takes me a few hours to do the lawn work.? Being a diabetic and with herniated disk, I just could go any more and went inside.? I do try to take great pride in how my lawn looks and do my best.? Normally I do clean up the clippings, however I wasn't feeling great that day and my wife even said do it another day.? So I thought I would get to it the next few days.? When I got busted for the said grass clippings, I asked what about the tree leaves and pine needles, as they are more of an eye sore than my grass clippings!? Well I was told that leaves and pine needles are dead material.? Well so was my grass clippings, but there is an ordinance against grass, hi.? So I added a mulching kit to the riding mower, which I had planned to do anyway.? I thought about not picking up leaves that fall, but in the end did my deed for the good of the surrounding hood!? :-)? 73 de jay/w5jay.. -----Original Message----- From: AMRadio [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of WA5VGO Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 1:36 PM Cc: Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 126, Issue 2 Guess I'm a phony ham. I live in a community with HOA's and I like it. It helps to maintain my property value and creates a pleasant living experience. By the way, I regularly talk to several people on this board and I'm certain they'll tell you I'm as loud as anyone else here. I've also talked to Don many times and he's never complained about my signal strength. Darrell On Jul 7, 2014, at 12:26 PM, "Donald Chester" wrote: > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rob Atkinson > Re: [AMRadio] US House Bill Requires HOAs comply with PRB-1 > > There's actually hams who LIKE HOAs.? I think that's another sign of a > bogus phoney ham right there. > > There was some guy in Arizona who posted on eham.net that he liked > HOAs.? I checked out his QRZ page.? A shack of plastic radios and his > antenna is.....a teeny mobile screw driver whip antenna outside on the > ground with a bunch of radials > > Rob > K5UJ > > I agree wholeheartedly.? Another one to add to the original "Phony Operator" > list. Of course you have to keep in mind that some people don't have a > sense of humour. > > Don k4kyv > > > PS: Here's the original list with the addition: > > > YOU JUST MIGHT BE A PHONY OPERATOR IF... > > You say you are running 400 watts with your Valiant or DX-100. > > You think a Johnson Kilowatt Matchbox is a 2.4 KW Tuner. > > You refer to a DX 60 or a Yeasu FT 101-E as? a "Boat Anchor" > > You refer to a rig like the Yaesu FT-901, Kenwood TS-820 or Drake TR-7 > as "vintage" or "antique". > > You refer to one's name as the "first personal" or just "personal". > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rob Atkinson > Re: [AMRadio] US House Bill Requires HOAs comply with PRB-1 > > There's actually hams who LIKE HOAs.? I think that's another sign of a > bogus phoney ham right there. > > There was some guy in Arizona who posted on eham.net that he liked > HOAs.? I checked out his QRZ page.? A shack of plastic radios and his > antenna is.....a teeny mobile screw driver whip antenna outside on the > ground with a bunch of radials > > Rob > K5UJ > > I agree wholeheartedly.? Another one to add to the original "Phony Operator" > list. Of course you have to keep in mind that some people don't have a > sense of humour. > > Don k4kyv > > > PS: Here's the original list with the addition: > > > YOU JUST MIGHT BE A PHONY OPERATOR IF... > > You say you are running 400 watts with your Valiant or DX-100. > > You think a Johnson Kilowatt Matchbox is a 2.4 KW Tuner. > > You refer to a DX 60 or a Yeasu FT 101-E as? a "Boat Anchor" > > You refer to a rig like the Yaesu FT-901, Kenwood TS-820 or Drake TR-7 > as "vintage" or "antique". > > You refer to one's name as the "first personal" or just "personal". > > You end a QSO with "Seventy-Thirds" or just "Threes". > > You try to break into an ongoing QSO by shouting "Contact". > > You finish an AM transmission in a QSO that is NOT operating fast > break-in, and just drop the carrier with no prior warning like a > callsign or saying "over", "back to you", "go ahead", etc., leaving > the other operator(s) wondering if you lost power or your rig crapped out. > > You pronounce QRZ.com as "CUE ARE ZEE" dot com" > > You "laugh" on phone by saying "High High" or worse still, "Aitch Eye". > > You tell someone with a strapping signal he is "wall to wall, treetop tall". > > You refer to switching over to AM? as "Going to the AM side". > > You "ratchet-jaw" instead of ragchewing. > > You refer to a microphone with a built in preamp as a "Power Mic" > > You try to whistle up your RF power level when running FM. > > You insert "there" between every two or three words in your conversation. > > You refer to the phone bands as the "SSB bands". > > You refer to your home station as a "base station". > > You call your transmitter or transceiver a "radio" instead of a "rig". > > You believe the reflected power returns back to your final and makes > the tubes run red. > > You refer to standing wave ratio as "SWRs" [plural] > > You use the word "dot" in decimal fractions instead of "point". > > You call the UHF female jack on the back of your rig the "antenna port". > > You report renewed sunspot activity when it is only sporadic E. > > Your idea of calling CQ is to just say your call, then pause. > > You use "QRZ?" in place of "CQ." > > You test by uttering "audio, audio, aaaaaaudio". > > You operate SSB using VOX, and make "aaaah" sounds between words to > prevent the rig from dropping out of transmit mode. > > You transmit on AM using VOX. > > You refer to every RF power amplifier as a "linear" regardless of > Class A, B, or C. > > You pronounce linear "LEEN-YAR" > > You use coax for your HF antenna feedline because you heard that > open-wire line radiates. > > You think the ideal horizontal antenna is the G5RV, and the ideal 160m > vertical is 43 ft. tall. > > **You are a ham but you like HOAs** > > > What others can you think of? > > > > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 14:28:29 -0500 From: "Jay Bromley" To: "'rbethman'" ,??? Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. Message-ID: <00b501cf9a19$a25345e0$e6f9d1a0$@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="us-ascii" Hi Rob, That is the way it should be IMHO, working together.? I just sent out a funny but true story on grass clippings.? If the neighbor had asked me in person I would have told her why I didn't get them up that day.? If she had asked the other neighbors she would have learned I was a good guy.? It is always better to be in person, but so many just want to be invisible informants!? Getting back to antennas, this is a great neighborhood overall.? Many folks walk during the evening, it never fails they look at the antennas, but no one really cares enough to ask what they are.? I often wonder what they are thinking when they look, but know enough not to ask them!? :-)? 73 de w5jay/jay.. -----Original Message----- From: AMRadio [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of rbethman Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 2:04 PM To: amradio at mailman.qth.net Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. Then we also have to deal with someone in the neighborhood, we have NO HOA or covenants, that is suddenly knocking on your door complaining that your signal is getting into his Chinese made wireless phone handset. I've had to set him down and explain that his phone is covered under Part 15. Trying to nicely explain that it isn't my fault that my "clean" signal gets into his phone. I fired up the radio, showed him the monitor scope, and the power output. That and the fact that my signal did NOT get into my wireless handset, which is less than 8 feet away from the transmitter. That is the ONE and ONLY squawk since 1988. None before him and none after him. Most of the neighborhood was "still" on outdoor antennas attached to their chimneys, myself included. Bob - N0DGN On 7/7/2014 2:37 PM, Jay Bromley wrote: > Hi Rob and Don, > I think we are seeing just the culture changing.? I taught a > technician class just a year ago and we had the largest turn out ever > and all got their license.? I spent tons of time talking about > antennas and more than one evening on just "antennas".? I would always > preach antenna, antenna, antenna! > > Two things I noticed right off, gone are the ex-CBers, replaced by the > storm chaser want-ta-bees, the survivalists, and a few others had > family members they wanted to emulate that were now SK status. > > I had one gentleman in particular that agonized for weeks over getting > his first antenna up I the air!? I would go over to his QTH and say > something like you have such nice trees just hang up a doublet off > them.? His reply was, oh my wife would never allow me to do that or > that would look ugly.? I am not sure about the wife comment as she was > in the class as well and got her license too.? She was pushing and > supporting him the whole way.? The home they have is in a nice > neighborhood and it is indeed a nice looking place.? However to me I > don't think a few wires in the tree tops would have hurt anything!? > Most of the time you get them high enough you never see them! > > In his case he was looking for a single antenna that works all the > bands and is not that big.? One of those not so cheap do it all > verticals, that have horrible performance, he kept looking at and > coming back to!? Some of the class just didn't get all my preaching > about the single most important thing in a station is the antenna.? In > the end, I got him to put up a simple 2 element Moxon.? He is working > the world, but he doesn't have the experience to know just how much > money and grief I saved him.? So in the end, I am not sure I did him > any good.? I have seen guys quit the hobby over a POC antenna and not > making contacts, but did he really learn anything from me in the end without the struggling for himself? > > I've even noticed myself changing on this, not the antennas per say, > but prefer to do my antenna hanging when folks are not at home.? As > they walk by they always look up, but no one has ever said a thing to > me.? Still I just heard the other day at another ham's home someone? > asking if the outside antenna was even legal and this was not in protected sub division!! > > Just getting more land may not the solution either.? Just ask a few > hams that have tons of acreage that went to court over their antennas!? > This antenna thing is getting to be a real hassle even with the some > of the folks that have the land that wanted to put up some nice > towers.? Now some counties are having antenna ordinances added to their books. > > Just like so many things in our lives now, a few decades ago no one > would have cared or say anything!? A real shame IMHO.? Antennas are > ham radio and no ham should have to worry about what he does on his > own land as long as it is done in a safe manner!? 73 de w5jay.. ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer ______________________________________________________________ AMRadio mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio at mailman.qth.net ------------------------------ End of AMRadio Digest, Vol 126, Issue 6 *************************************** From n5yey at live.com Mon Jul 7 16:11:24 2014 From: n5yey at live.com (mark depaepe) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 15:11:24 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 126, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <1404762644.77408.YahooMailNeo@web181004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1404762644.77408.YahooMailNeo@web181004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The city of White Oak Texas passed an ordinance that stated Amateur Radios were not allowed to interfere with any type of Consumer equipment. I moved out of that city before it became an issue for me. I have not heard of anyone being shut down by the city either. I do not know if it just has not come up or if the Amateur operator told them to take a hike. White Oak also had an ordinance concerning the volume of music. When they showed up to enforce that one night I asked them what the ordinance stated which the cop rattled off some decibel level some distance from the house. I asked where his tape measure was, he said he did not have one. So I asked how he knew where the distance was? He replied its about...which is where I stopped him and informed him we were not abouting and he needed a tape measure to be exact. Then I asked where his decibel meter was. He said he did not have one...which is where I again interrupted and said oh, let me guess, they calibrated your ear? He said no. I then told him he needed to come back when he had the necessary equipment to enforce the ordinance and I shut the door and turned the music back on. He went away and did not come back. He had been on the front porch for quite some time. I could not hear the door bell or his knocking. The conversation began with him saying do you know how long I have been out here and me replying do you know how much I don't care. Typical small town cops. Sent from my iPhone It's not getting any smarter out there. You just have to come to grips with stupidity and make it work for you. On Jul 7, 2014, at 14:54, "ROY FRISBY" wrote: > To add a little humor to the discussion on "Antenna Issues". > > The local town council here had a couple of complaints concerning a > young lady running a big linear and getting into tv's. They decided that they would pass an ordinance outlawing the use of linear > amplifiers and cb towers inside the city proper. Someone got wind of their intentions and the word got out to the cb community.. > > I attended the next city council meeting to represent the amateur community, along with about 200 cb'ers with blood in their eyes. > It was standing room only in the city hall council chambers. > > The city council realized that there was probably going to be a lynching if the ordinance passed so it was taken off the table, never to > be brought up again. Their excuse that night was that they realized that only the FCC had the authority to pass such a law. > > Roy > KB5MD > > > > On Monday, July 7, 2014 2:28 PM, "amradio-request at mailman.qth.net" wrote: > > > > Send AMRadio mailing list submissions to > amradio at mailman.qth.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > amradio-request at mailman.qth.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > amradio-owner at mailman.qth.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of AMRadio digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Antenna issues. (rbethman) > 2. Militray Chan number vs freq (CL in NC via AMRadio) > 3. Re: AMRadio Digest, Vol 126, Issue 2 (Jay Bromley) > 4. Re: Antenna issues. (Jay Bromley) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 15:04:17 -0400 > From: rbethman > To: amradio at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. > Message-ID: <53BAEF31.6080703 at comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Then we also have to deal with someone in the neighborhood, we have NO > HOA or covenants, that is suddenly knocking on your door complaining > that your signal is getting into his Chinese made wireless phone handset. > > I've had to set him down and explain that his phone is covered under > Part 15. > > Trying to nicely explain that it isn't my fault that my "clean" signal > gets into his phone. > > I fired up the radio, showed him the monitor scope, and the power output. > > That and the fact that my signal did NOT get into my wireless handset, > which is less than 8 feet away from the transmitter. > > That is the ONE and ONLY squawk since 1988. > > None before him and none after him. > > Most of the neighborhood was "still" on outdoor antennas attached to > their chimneys, myself included. > > Bob - N0DGN > > > > On 7/7/2014 2:37 PM, Jay Bromley wrote: >> Hi Rob and Don, >> I think we are seeing just the culture changing. I taught a technician >> class just a year ago and we had the largest turn out ever and all got their >> license. I spent tons of time talking about antennas and more than one >> evening on just "antennas". I would always preach antenna, antenna, >> antenna! >> >> Two things I noticed right off, gone are the ex-CBers, replaced by the storm >> chaser want-ta-bees, the survivalists, and a few others had family members >> they wanted to emulate that were now SK status. >> >> I had one gentleman in particular that agonized for weeks over getting his >> first antenna up I the air! I would go over to his QTH and say something >> like you have such nice trees just hang up a doublet off them. His reply >> was, oh my wife would never allow me to do that or that would look ugly. I >> am not sure about the wife comment as she was in the class as well and got >> her license too. She was pushing and supporting him the whole way. The >> home they have is in a nice neighborhood and it is indeed a nice looking >> place. However to me I don't think a few wires in the tree tops would have >> hurt anything! Most of the time you get them high enough you never see >> them! >> >> In his case he was looking for a single antenna that works all the bands and >> is not that big. One of those not so cheap do it all verticals, that have >> horrible performance, he kept looking at and coming back to! Some of the >> class just didn't get all my preaching about the single most important thing >> in a station is the antenna. In the end, I got him to put up a simple 2 >> element Moxon. He is working the world, but he doesn't have the experience >> to know just how much money and grief I saved him. So in the end, I am not >> sure I did him any good. I have seen guys quit the hobby over a POC antenna >> and not making contacts, but did he really learn anything from me in the end >> without the struggling for himself? >> >> I've even noticed myself changing on this, not the antennas per say, but >> prefer to do my antenna hanging when folks are not at home. As they walk by >> they always look up, but no one has ever said a thing to me. Still I just >> heard the other day at another ham's home someone asking if the outside >> antenna was even legal and this was not in protected sub division!! >> >> Just getting more land may not the solution either. Just ask a few hams >> that have tons of acreage that went to court over their antennas! This >> antenna thing is getting to be a real hassle even with the some of the folks >> that have the land that wanted to put up some nice towers. Now some >> counties are having antenna ordinances added to their books. >> >> Just like so many things in our lives now, a few decades ago no one would >> have cared or say anything! A real shame IMHO. Antennas are ham radio and >> no ham should have to worry about what he does on his own land as long as it >> is done in a safe manner! 73 de w5jay.. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 12:05:42 -0700 > From: CL in NC via AMRadio > To: amradio at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [AMRadio] Militray Chan number vs freq > Message-ID: > <1404759942.48093.YahooMailBasic at web160601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > How low do the channel numbers go on the military FT243's? Working back mathematically from 7100, Chan 328, Chan 1 would be another dimension if the 25KC per channel spacing held throughout. Did they spacing change the lower you went? > > Charlie, W4MEC in NC > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 14:23:19 -0500 > From: "Jay Bromley" > To: "'WA5VGO'" > Cc: amradio at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 126, Issue 2 > Message-ID: <00b401cf9a18$e93faa30$bbbefe90$@cox.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > HI Darrell, > I think there have been a few studies and court cases on this, which never > found towers and wires to devalue a home or neighborhood. Maybe you are > thinking of different stuff that might affect the property value? There are > many towers near here in my neighborhood and the houses around them continue > to go on the market and sell over and over again. Maybe it is from all the > RFI, hi. > > Darrell sorry I forget your antenna system, did they allow you to put up a > tower there? What did you have to do for permission? > > The requirements with my local HOA continue to change over the years. In > the old days one would ask permission and then they would contact the > surrounding neighbors. When I put up my tower they had me go to the > surrounding neighbors asking them to sign a piece of paper saying it was OK. > I had one neighbor that was trouble, but in the end he even signed it as I > was on full go. All of them seemed reluctant to sign anything legal > looking. Now the HOA don't seem to even care as another ham just inquired > one street over from here and didn't require him to do anything! > > Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see junk cars scattered around or trash > on the lawn, but a nice tower and wire antennas is not an eyesore to me. > Antennas are just necessary for ham radio. Funny when a town gets blown > away like a few of them did here, their attitudes seem to change about > antennas and ham radio. Just ask Brian about Mayflower, AR. > > BTW this has nothing to do with antennas, but show how far extreme we are > going to this political correctness. Last year I got busted for my riding > mower which has three cutting blades blowing grass clippings into the > street. Something I see most lawn care professionals doing all the time > with leaf blowers! The informant was a lady up the street to this day I > don't know who she is. It was 115 degrees outside and normally it takes me > a few hours to do the lawn work. Being a diabetic and with herniated disk, > I just could go any more and went inside. I do try to take great pride in > how my lawn looks and do my best. Normally I do clean up the clippings, > however I wasn't feeling great that day and my wife even said do it another > day. So I thought I would get to it the next few days. When I got busted > for the said grass clippings, I asked what about the tree leaves and pine > needles, as they are more of an eye sore than my grass clippings! Well I > was told that leaves and pine needles are dead material. Well so was my > grass clippings, but there is an ordinance against grass, hi. So I added a > mulching kit to the riding mower, which I had planned to do anyway. I > thought about not picking up leaves that fall, but in the end did my deed > for the good of the surrounding hood! :-) > > 73 de jay/w5jay.. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AMRadio [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of WA5VGO > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 1:36 PM > Cc: > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 126, Issue 2 > > Guess I'm a phony ham. I live in a community with HOA's and I like it. It > helps to maintain my property value and creates a pleasant living > experience. > > By the way, I regularly talk to several people on this board and I'm certain > they'll tell you I'm as loud as anyone else here. I've also talked to Don > many times and he's never complained about my signal strength. > > Darrell > > > > On Jul 7, 2014, at 12:26 PM, "Donald Chester" wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Rob Atkinson >> Re: [AMRadio] US House Bill Requires HOAs comply with PRB-1 >> >> There's actually hams who LIKE HOAs. I think that's another sign of a >> bogus phoney ham right there. >> >> There was some guy in Arizona who posted on eham.net that he liked >> HOAs. I checked out his QRZ page. A shack of plastic radios and his >> antenna is.....a teeny mobile screw driver whip antenna outside on the >> ground with a bunch of radials >> >> Rob >> K5UJ >> >> I agree wholeheartedly. Another one to add to the original "Phony > Operator" >> list. Of course you have to keep in mind that some people don't have a >> sense of humour. >> >> Don k4kyv >> >> >> PS: Here's the original list with the addition: >> >> >> YOU JUST MIGHT BE A PHONY OPERATOR IF... >> >> You say you are running 400 watts with your Valiant or DX-100. >> >> You think a Johnson Kilowatt Matchbox is a 2.4 KW Tuner. >> >> You refer to a DX 60 or a Yeasu FT 101-E as a "Boat Anchor" >> >> You refer to a rig like the Yaesu FT-901, Kenwood TS-820 or Drake TR-7 >> as "vintage" or "antique". >> >> You refer to one's name as the "first personal" or just "personal". >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Rob Atkinson >> Re: [AMRadio] US House Bill Requires HOAs comply with PRB-1 >> >> There's actually hams who LIKE HOAs. I think that's another sign of a >> bogus phoney ham right there. >> >> There was some guy in Arizona who posted on eham.net that he liked >> HOAs. I checked out his QRZ page. A shack of plastic radios and his >> antenna is.....a teeny mobile screw driver whip antenna outside on the >> ground with a bunch of radials >> >> Rob >> K5UJ >> >> I agree wholeheartedly. Another one to add to the original "Phony > Operator" >> list. Of course you have to keep in mind that some people don't have a >> sense of humour. >> >> Don k4kyv >> >> >> PS: Here's the original list with the addition: >> >> >> YOU JUST MIGHT BE A PHONY OPERATOR IF... >> >> You say you are running 400 watts with your Valiant or DX-100. >> >> You think a Johnson Kilowatt Matchbox is a 2.4 KW Tuner. >> >> You refer to a DX 60 or a Yeasu FT 101-E as a "Boat Anchor" >> >> You refer to a rig like the Yaesu FT-901, Kenwood TS-820 or Drake TR-7 >> as "vintage" or "antique". >> >> You refer to one's name as the "first personal" or just "personal". >> >> You end a QSO with "Seventy-Thirds" or just "Threes". >> >> You try to break into an ongoing QSO by shouting "Contact". >> >> You finish an AM transmission in a QSO that is NOT operating fast >> break-in, and just drop the carrier with no prior warning like a >> callsign or saying "over", "back to you", "go ahead", etc., leaving >> the other operator(s) wondering if you lost power or your rig crapped out. >> >> You pronounce QRZ.com as "CUE ARE ZEE" dot com" >> >> You "laugh" on phone by saying "High High" or worse still, "Aitch Eye". >> >> You tell someone with a strapping signal he is "wall to wall, treetop > tall". >> >> You refer to switching over to AM as "Going to the AM side". >> >> You "ratchet-jaw" instead of ragchewing. >> >> You refer to a microphone with a built in preamp as a "Power Mic" >> >> You try to whistle up your RF power level when running FM. >> >> You insert "there" between every two or three words in your conversation. >> >> You refer to the phone bands as the "SSB bands". >> >> You refer to your home station as a "base station". >> >> You call your transmitter or transceiver a "radio" instead of a "rig". >> >> You believe the reflected power returns back to your final and makes >> the tubes run red. >> >> You refer to standing wave ratio as "SWRs" [plural] >> >> You use the word "dot" in decimal fractions instead of "point". >> >> You call the UHF female jack on the back of your rig the "antenna port". >> >> You report renewed sunspot activity when it is only sporadic E. >> >> Your idea of calling CQ is to just say your call, then pause. >> >> You use "QRZ?" in place of "CQ." >> >> You test by uttering "audio, audio, aaaaaaudio". >> >> You operate SSB using VOX, and make "aaaah" sounds between words to >> prevent the rig from dropping out of transmit mode. >> >> You transmit on AM using VOX. >> >> You refer to every RF power amplifier as a "linear" regardless of >> Class A, B, or C. >> >> You pronounce linear "LEEN-YAR" >> >> You use coax for your HF antenna feedline because you heard that >> open-wire line radiates. >> >> You think the ideal horizontal antenna is the G5RV, and the ideal 160m >> vertical is 43 ft. tall. >> >> **You are a ham but you like HOAs** >> >> >> What others can you think of? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. >> http://www.avast.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list >> Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ >> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >> Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net >> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with >> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the > word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 14:28:29 -0500 > From: "Jay Bromley" > To: "'rbethman'" , > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. > Message-ID: <00b501cf9a19$a25345e0$e6f9d1a0$@cox.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Rob, > That is the way it should be IMHO, working together. I just sent out a > funny but true story on grass clippings. If the neighbor had asked me in > person I would have told her why I didn't get them up that day. If she had > asked the other neighbors she would have learned I was a good guy. It is > always better to be in person, but so many just want to be invisible > informants! > > Getting back to antennas, this is a great neighborhood overall. Many folks > walk during the evening, it never fails they look at the antennas, but no > one really cares enough to ask what they are. I often wonder what they are > thinking when they look, but know enough not to ask them! :-) 73 de > w5jay/jay.. > > -----Original Message----- > From: AMRadio [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of rbethman > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 2:04 PM > To: amradio at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. > > Then we also have to deal with someone in the neighborhood, we have NO HOA > or covenants, that is suddenly knocking on your door complaining that your > signal is getting into his Chinese made wireless phone handset. > > I've had to set him down and explain that his phone is covered under Part > 15. > > Trying to nicely explain that it isn't my fault that my "clean" signal gets > into his phone. > > I fired up the radio, showed him the monitor scope, and the power output. > > That and the fact that my signal did NOT get into my wireless handset, which > is less than 8 feet away from the transmitter. > > That is the ONE and ONLY squawk since 1988. > > None before him and none after him. > > Most of the neighborhood was "still" on outdoor antennas attached to their > chimneys, myself included. > > Bob - N0DGN > > > > On 7/7/2014 2:37 PM, Jay Bromley wrote: >> Hi Rob and Don, >> I think we are seeing just the culture changing. I taught a >> technician class just a year ago and we had the largest turn out ever >> and all got their license. I spent tons of time talking about >> antennas and more than one evening on just "antennas". I would always >> preach antenna, antenna, antenna! >> >> Two things I noticed right off, gone are the ex-CBers, replaced by the >> storm chaser want-ta-bees, the survivalists, and a few others had >> family members they wanted to emulate that were now SK status. >> >> I had one gentleman in particular that agonized for weeks over getting >> his first antenna up I the air! I would go over to his QTH and say >> something like you have such nice trees just hang up a doublet off >> them. His reply was, oh my wife would never allow me to do that or >> that would look ugly. I am not sure about the wife comment as she was >> in the class as well and got her license too. She was pushing and >> supporting him the whole way. The home they have is in a nice >> neighborhood and it is indeed a nice looking place. However to me I >> don't think a few wires in the tree tops would have hurt anything! >> Most of the time you get them high enough you never see them! >> >> In his case he was looking for a single antenna that works all the >> bands and is not that big. One of those not so cheap do it all >> verticals, that have horrible performance, he kept looking at and >> coming back to! Some of the class just didn't get all my preaching >> about the single most important thing in a station is the antenna. In >> the end, I got him to put up a simple 2 element Moxon. He is working >> the world, but he doesn't have the experience to know just how much >> money and grief I saved him. So in the end, I am not sure I did him >> any good. I have seen guys quit the hobby over a POC antenna and not >> making contacts, but did he really learn anything from me in the end > without the struggling for himself? >> >> I've even noticed myself changing on this, not the antennas per say, >> but prefer to do my antenna hanging when folks are not at home. As >> they walk by they always look up, but no one has ever said a thing to >> me. Still I just heard the other day at another ham's home someone >> asking if the outside antenna was even legal and this was not in protected > sub division!! >> >> Just getting more land may not the solution either. Just ask a few >> hams that have tons of acreage that went to court over their antennas! >> This antenna thing is getting to be a real hassle even with the some >> of the folks that have the land that wanted to put up some nice >> towers. Now some counties are having antenna ordinances added to their > books. >> >> Just like so many things in our lives now, a few decades ago no one >> would have cared or say anything! A real shame IMHO. Antennas are >> ham radio and no ham should have to worry about what he does on his >> own land as long as it is done in a safe manner! 73 de w5jay.. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the > word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > ______________________________________________________________ > AMRadio mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > Post: mailto:AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > > > ------------------------------ > > End of AMRadio Digest, Vol 126, Issue 6 > *************************************** > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From deswynar at xplornet.ca Mon Jul 7 17:02:36 2014 From: deswynar at xplornet.ca (Eddy Swynar) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 17:02:36 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. In-Reply-To: <6CD0C65E-3631-439C-8A8B-99DF58E15160@xplornet.ca> References: <00b501cf9a19$a25345e0$e6f9d1a0$@cox.net> <6CD0C65E-3631-439C-8A8B-99DF58E15160@xplornet.ca> Message-ID: <11FE04ED-EC73-4AB4-9E32-566F237020A0@xplornet.ca> > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: "Jay Bromley" >> Date: July 7, 2014 3:28:29 PM EDT >> To: "'rbethman'" , >> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. >> >> >> Getting back to antennas, this is a great neighborhood overall. Many folks >> walk during the evening, it never fails they look at the antennas, but no >> one really cares enough to ask what they are. I often wonder what they are >> thinking when they look, but know enough not to ask them! :-) 73 de >> w5jay/jay.. >> Hi Guys, Some 33 years ago, we had just moved into our very first brand new home, smack dab in the middle of suburbia... We had 2 mortgages on the place, so a tower & raised aluminum antennas were simply not in the equation---however, we deliberately chose the single lot on the street that had tall, mature willow & maple trees, to "...aid & abet" my wire creations. Well, this one time, as I recall, it was a hot, sunny day, & I elected to throw an inverted "J" antenna into the trees for 160-meters: my method of choice for raising aerials back then was a stubby brown (and empty!) beer bottle, and my good throwing arm. To facilitate the wire's raising, I would first tie the end of a long binder's twine onto the neck of the bottle---this, I would then throw into some welcoming (and supporting) tree branches overhead. To facilitate the ease of the twine going up, I would run several circles of it onto the ground, away from the spool, in a spiderweb-like outline. Well, here I was struggling to toss this beer bottle into the trees, and the darn twine would get all snagged in my legs on the way up. Why...? Because of our curious & playful young Siamese cat that we had at the time, named "Benji", who would do his utmost to chew the string, roll around in it, etc. etc. Between frustrated efforts at keeping Benji at bay, and getting off a clean throw, I noticed that a car had pulled up into the driveway of the young couple who lived across the street---but I paid it little mind. However, after yet another frustrated toss---and with twine all around both me & Benji, who was having an absolute ball---I stopped for a breath, and happened to glance across the street... There, much to my amazement (and bemusement!), the couple visiting my neighbours, and the neighbours there themselves, had all assembled folding lawn chairs, and lined them up curb-side, taking-in the show that was unfolding before them, and drinking beer! I could only imagine what they all must have thought: "Just look at that crazy young coot across the street, throwing that beer bottle into the trees & wrestling with his cat like that!" The stuff memories are made of. Still, nobody complained, they all enjoyed the show, Benji had the time of his life, & I ended-up with a superlative suburban sky-hook for Topband that garnered me 48 States and all continents save for Asia, that first winter season...and best of all, not a single covenant in sight! ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ From jayw5jay at cox.net Mon Jul 7 17:40:20 2014 From: jayw5jay at cox.net (Jay Bromley) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 16:40:20 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 126, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: References: <000701cf9a08$9d567aa0$d8036fe0$@charter.net> <00b401cf9a18$e93faa30$bbbefe90$@cox.net> Message-ID: <010201cf9a2c$0d9ee770$28dcb650$@cox.net> Hi Darrell, Nah you are as real a ham and one that I respect very much! Remember I have seen some of your work!! :-) The antenna issue is very real to me and my XYL Kathy. Five years ago she took a job there at the VA. We been trying our best to move to the Fayetteville area for five years now, trying to find a place that is less a 1/2 hour from her work. Our main hang up in moving is the antenna issue. Every area in the US is different, but up there in NWA it is getting hard to find any place to hang even a simple wire. The new places that will certainly have HOAs they don't have mature trees to do you much good in height or cover. So you are very exposed on those places and most will tell you up front, NO towers at all will be considered. Even the larger lots with the older homes have some sort of covenants. However I always look and consider a simple doublet if there is good trees on the older homes. We even look at nearby countryside and towns. We have land all over the place, but none of it near there. Now the grandkids are coming complicating the issue of staying here in the area. So for 10 years or more I've been pretty much in tower and antenna limbo. Forty years ago when I was first a Johnny Novice we never gave putting up an antenna and or towers a second thought. Since looking for now for 5 years for a suitable place to live, while operating my ham station in peace, has not been a good experience. Some how the general public and even some hams don't consider how important the antenna is to the station. Another reason I think it is getting hard to grow the hobby. Most are not going to be so dedicated to consider where they live as part of their hobby! Now I cringe at the thought of some counties in the US now attacking antennas and towers. BTW, I did grow up as both an amateur op and CB guy! It was in the early 70s when I was 12 years young, hi. I still enjoy seeing an old CB tube rigs that are pretty much POC! Like the Sonar, Demco's, etc. Just reminds me of a better time, much like the older ham tube gear. I would love to start converting the old CB rigs to other ham bands, like 10m and 6m. If I could get the locals interested in those or the cake pan rigs for a nice intercom system on the higher bands Darrell I wish we lived closer so I could see your latest projects that always looks like factory jewels! To me you are and will always be a Ham's Ham! 73 de jay/w5jay.. -----Original Message----- From: WA5VGO [mailto:hbrnut at suddenlink.net] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 2:49 PM To: Jay Bromley Cc: Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 126, Issue 2 Jay, Good to hear from you. I have a 40 meter dipole up 60' in the oak trees. Forty meters is the only band I have any interest in. I didn't need permission to put it up. As you know, I run KW-1 and Viking 500 transmitters. I use several homebrew receivers. I've built more equipment in the past five years than most people on this list will build in a lifetime. I've been licensed almost 50 years and have never operated CB radio. But, all of that aside, I guess I'm not a real ham. Darrell > > On Jul 7, 2014, at 2:23 PM, "Jay Bromley" wrote: > > > Darrell sorry I forget your antenna system, did they allow you to put > up a tower there? What did you have to do for permission? > > From jayw5jay at cox.net Mon Jul 7 17:51:32 2014 From: jayw5jay at cox.net (Jay Bromley) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 16:51:32 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. In-Reply-To: References: <00b501cf9a19$a25345e0$e6f9d1a0$@cox.net> <6CD0C65E-3631-439C-8A8B-99DF58E15160@xplornet.ca> Message-ID: <010301cf9a2d$9dc14a90$d943dfb0$@cox.net> Great story Eddy! I use an air cannon sometimes here for antenna line launching and it draws quite a bit of attention. The dogs go nuts over the sound. So even though johnny law hasn't paid me a visit for my weapon, I try to use it will the traffic is lite. My HyperDog launcher is quieter, but the rubber has went bad on those! Again in the old days as kids we wouldn't have gave this a second thought. I guess I am becoming an old fart that doesn't want any attention drawn to me! 73 de w5jay/jay.. From: Eddy Swynar [mailto:deswynar at xplornet.ca] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 4:03 PM To: Discussion of AM Radio Amateur Service; jayw5jay at cox.net; rbethman Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. Begin forwarded message: From: "Jay Bromley" Date: July 7, 2014 3:28:29 PM EDT To: "'rbethman'" , Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. Getting back to antennas, this is a great neighborhood overall. Many folks walk during the evening, it never fails they look at the antennas, but no one really cares enough to ask what they are. I often wonder what they are thinking when they look, but know enough not to ask them! :-) 73 de w5jay/jay.. Hi Guys, Some 33 years ago, we had just moved into our very first brand new home, smack dab in the middle of suburbia... We had 2 mortgages on the place, so a tower & raised aluminum antennas were simply not in the equation---however, we deliberately chose the single lot on the street that had tall, mature willow & maple trees, to "...aid & abet" my wire creations. Well, this one time, as I recall, it was a hot, sunny day, & I elected to throw an inverted "J" antenna into the trees for 160-meters: my method of choice for raising aerials back then was a stubby brown (and empty!) beer bottle, and my good throwing arm. To facilitate the wire's raising, I would first tie the end of a long binder's twine onto the neck of the bottle---this, I would then throw into some welcoming (and supporting) tree branches overhead. To facilitate the ease of the twine going up, I would run several circles of it onto the ground, away from the spool, in a spiderweb-like outline. Well, here I was struggling to toss this beer bottle into the trees, and the darn twine would get all snagged in my legs on the way up. Why...? Because of our curious & playful young Siamese cat that we had at the time, named "Benji", who would do his utmost to chew the string, roll around in it, etc. etc. Between frustrated efforts at keeping Benji at bay, and getting off a clean throw, I noticed that a car had pulled up into the driveway of the young couple who lived across the street---but I paid it little mind. However, after yet another frustrated toss---and with twine all around both me & Benji, who was having an absolute ball---I stopped for a breath, and happened to glance across the street... There, much to my amazement (and bemusement!), the couple visiting my neighbours, and the neighbours there themselves, had all assembled folding lawn chairs, and lined them up curb-side, taking-in the show that was unfolding before them, and drinking beer! I could only imagine what they all must have thought: "Just look at that crazy young coot across the street, throwing that beer bottle into the trees & wrestling with his cat like that!" The stuff memories are made of. Still, nobody complained, they all enjoyed the show, Benji had the time of his life, & I ended-up with a superlative suburban sky-hook for Topband that garnered me 48 States and all continents save for Asia, that first winter season...and best of all, not a single covenant in sight! ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ From amradio at mailman.qth.net Mon Jul 7 18:16:06 2014 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (Mel Farrer via AMRadio) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 15:16:06 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. In-Reply-To: <010301cf9a2d$9dc14a90$d943dfb0$@cox.net> References: <00b501cf9a19$a25345e0$e6f9d1a0$@cox.net> <6CD0C65E-3631-439C-8A8B-99DF58E15160@xplornet.ca> <010301cf9a2d$9dc14a90$d943dfb0$@cox.net> Message-ID: <1404771366.78551.YahooMailNeo@web163506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Oh, that isn't anything to worry about my next door neighbor said in 1964 when I told her I was a ham operator....? A couple years later, a ham friend was going to be on TDY to Japan and wanted to set up a 15 meter schedule to check on things at home, of course no third party traffic.? Things went well and we had some nice QSOs on 15 then the band started to fade and I told him I would build a amp.? I had a adjustable 5 KV power supply in the garage and decided to put one of the old 450 TH to the task as GG. So there we were, start out on 100 watts, things get rough and I would turn on the amp.? OK, then a little worse, turn the variac up.? On one Sunday, we started and it was particularly bad so we started pretty much at the limit of the supply and at the end I signed mission accomplished. Next day, nice neighbor lady and my wife were across the fence hanging up wash.? She asked my wife if I was on the air that Sunday and she replied, OH yes, they had a great QSO with the ham in Japan.? To which she replied, Well, the kids came in and wanted to watch TV,,,,, and after a while gave that up and turned on the hi fi record player and well after a while they gave that up...?? Then my mother called on the phone and well after a little while I gave that up also.? When is Tommy coming home from Japan so we can get back to normal.......... Mel, K6KBE On Monday, July 7, 2014 3:00 PM, Jay Bromley wrote: Great story Eddy!? I use an air cannon sometimes here for antenna line launching and it draws quite a bit of attention.? The dogs go nuts over the sound.? So even though johnny law hasn't paid me a visit for my weapon, I try to use it will the traffic is lite.? My HyperDog launcher is quieter, but the rubber has went bad on those! Again in the old days as kids we wouldn't have gave this a second thought. I guess I am becoming an old fart that doesn't want any attention drawn to me! 73 de w5jay/jay.. From: Eddy Swynar [mailto:deswynar at xplornet.ca] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 4:03 PM To: Discussion of AM Radio Amateur Service; jayw5jay at cox.net; rbethman Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. Begin forwarded message: From: "Jay Bromley" Date: July 7, 2014 3:28:29 PM EDT To: "'rbethman'" , Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. Getting back to antennas, this is a great neighborhood overall.? Many folks walk during the evening, it never fails they look at the antennas, but no one really cares enough to ask what they are.? I often wonder what they are thinking when they look, but know enough not to ask them!? :-)? 73 de w5jay/jay.. Hi Guys, Some 33 years ago, we had just moved into our very first brand new home, smack dab in the middle of suburbia... We had 2 mortgages on the place, so a tower & raised aluminum antennas were simply not in the equation---however, we deliberately chose the single lot on the street that had tall, mature willow & maple trees, to "...aid & abet" my wire creations. Well, this one time, as I recall, it was a hot, sunny day, & I elected to throw an inverted "J" antenna into the trees for 160-meters: my method of choice for raising aerials back then was a stubby brown (and empty!) beer bottle, and my good throwing arm. To facilitate the wire's raising, I would first tie the end of a long binder's twine onto the neck of the bottle---this, I would then throw into some welcoming (and supporting) tree branches overhead. To facilitate the ease of the twine going up, I would run several circles of it onto the ground, away from the spool, in a spiderweb-like outline. Well, here I was struggling to toss this beer bottle into the trees, and the darn twine would get all snagged in my legs on the way up. Why...? Because of our curious & playful young Siamese cat that we had at the time, named "Benji", who would do his utmost to chew the string, roll around in it, etc. etc. Between frustrated efforts at keeping Benji at bay, and getting off a clean throw, I noticed that a car had pulled up into the driveway of the young couple who lived across the street---but I paid it little mind. However, after yet another frustrated toss---and with twine all around both me & Benji, who was having an absolute ball---I stopped for a breath, and happened to glance across the street... There, much to my amazement (and bemusement!), the couple visiting my neighbours, and the neighbours there themselves, had all assembled folding lawn chairs, and lined them up curb-side, taking-in the show that was unfolding before them, and drinking beer! I could only imagine what they all must have thought: "Just look at that crazy young coot across the street, throwing that beer bottle into the trees & wrestling with his cat like that!" The stuff memories are made of. Still, nobody complained, they all enjoyed the show, Benji had the time of his life, & I ended-up with a superlative suburban sky-hook for Topband that garnered me 48 States and all continents save for Asia, that first winter season...and best of all, not a single covenant in sight! ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From amradio at mailman.qth.net Mon Jul 7 18:45:50 2014 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (Bill Guyger via AMRadio) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 15:45:50 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] R-390A Help Message-ID: <1404773150.92879.YahooMailNeo@web125305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hi All I acquired a 390A over the weekend from a friend who can no longer see to?work on his gear. He made me promise to not sell it or trade it while he was still alive which I wouldn't do anyway out of respect to a genuine gentleman,?a fine ham and one hell of a builder of radio related gear. Returning it to the air is my way of honoring a long time friend. The last time he fired it up the line fuse blew preceded by a sound like one might experience after too much Mexican food and a wisp of smoke. He suggested something in the power supply which seems pretty basic other than Collins' use of 26Z5's for?rectifiers. There's not much else there except for chokes and a couple of caps which date from the 1960's. I haven't had time to really dig into the unit, and those old caps seem a logical place to start in addition to suspecting one of the rectifiers. Hopefully lightning etc. didn't get into the radio and fry something when he wasn't looking. My question to some of you R-390 gurus out there is. Is there a history of Power Supply issues and does anyone know of a source of 26Z5's. Or....if it's not heresy could I replace them with?Silicon rectifiers after doing something about the additional B+ that?will create? Not sure I want to pillage?a great radio by doing that anyway if I can find the correct tubes but it's a consideration.? Many thanks and 73 Bill AD5OL? From amradio at mailman.qth.net Mon Jul 7 18:46:11 2014 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (CL in NC via AMRadio) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 15:46:11 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] 2 cent ant opine Message-ID: <1404773171.57902.YahooMailBasic@web160601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> "I work everything I hear!" I'm sure you have heard that one when folks defend their antenna system, systems that many would say are marginal at best. It works for them, makes them happy, and fine if low band nets and occasional DX rings their bell. The day they use a station with a good antenna system, learn that there are more than 1 German or Italian stations on the air at the same time, and DX is hearing and working that 100 watter with a vertical somewhere deep in India, if the antenna bug bites big, the HOA's and deed restrictions become a problem really quick. Charlie, W4MEC in NC From w3slk at verizon.net Mon Jul 7 18:59:35 2014 From: w3slk at verizon.net (w3slk at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 18:59:35 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] R-390A Help In-Reply-To: <1404773150.92879.YahooMailNeo@web125305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1404773150.92879.YahooMailNeo@web125305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bill, I'm not much of a 390A guy but I have worked on mine. First thing would be to check the input line filter. It is a small square little metal box type set up that is fastened to the upper rear bulkhead of the receiver. I had mine go out and I just removed it. The Navy used tons of the R-390A's because they were impervious to interference from shipboard radars. Thus the reason for the filter. You don't need it unless your antenna systems is so unbalanced you are getting into your powerline. Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK -----Original Message----- From: Bill Guyger via AMRadio Sent: Monday, July 7, 2014 6:45 PM To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Subject: [AMRadio] R-390A Help Hi All I acquired a 390A over the weekend from a friend who can no longer see to work on his gear. He made me promise to not sell it or trade it while he was still alive which I wouldn't do anyway out of respect to a genuine gentleman, a fine ham and one hell of a builder of radio related gear. Returning it to the air is my way of honoring a long time friend. The last time he fired it up the line fuse blew preceded by a sound like one might experience after too much Mexican food and a wisp of smoke. He suggested something in the power supply which seems pretty basic other than Collins' use of 26Z5's for rectifiers. There's not much else there except for chokes and a couple of caps which date from the 1960's. I haven't had time to really dig into the unit, and those old caps seem a logical place to start in addition to suspecting one of the rectifiers. Hopefully lightning etc. didn't get into the radio and fry something when he wasn't looking. My question to some of you R-390 gurus out there is. Is there a history of Power Supply issues and does anyone know of a source of 26Z5's. Or....if it's not heresy could I replace them with Silicon rectifiers after doing something about the additional B+ that will create? Not sure I want to pillage a great radio by doing that anyway if I can find the correct tubes but it's a consideration. Many thanks and 73 Bill AD5OL ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From w2xj at w2xj.net Mon Jul 7 20:12:52 2014 From: w2xj at w2xj.net (W2XJ) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 20:12:52 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] R-390A Help In-Reply-To: <1404773150.92879.YahooMailNeo@web125305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1404773150.92879.YahooMailNeo@web125305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If google R390, several sites with schematics come up including QSL.net. http://www.qsl.net/kh6grt/page4/r390aschematics/r390aschematics.htm I once had several R390s and bought a manual that not only had schematics but history, different versions, mods and more. Almost can be found in the link above. The schematic posted shows a solid state replacement for the rectifier tubes ( page 7 ). For hard to replace tubes, here is another link that covers several including the rectifiers. http://www.r-390a.net/faq-tubes.htm Since that receiver is so modular, I would first isolate the power supply to see if the problem lies there. I would probably shotgun the whole supply anyway. The links above should give you all the information necessary to restore the receiver. One note, do not mess with the front end or the PTO unless there is an obvious problem. If so, then research those two items online before proceeding. Good Luck! Sent from my iPad > On Jul 7, 2014, at 6:45 PM, Bill Guyger via AMRadio wrote: > > Hi All > > I acquired a 390A over the weekend from a friend who can no longer see to work on his gear. He made me promise to not sell it or trade it while he was still alive which I wouldn't do anyway out of respect to a genuine gentleman, a fine ham and one hell of a builder of radio related gear. Returning it to the air is my way of honoring a long time friend. > > The last time he fired it up the line fuse blew preceded by a sound like one might experience after too much Mexican food and a wisp of smoke. He suggested something in the power supply which seems pretty basic other than Collins' use of 26Z5's for rectifiers. There's not much else there except for chokes and a couple of caps which date from the 1960's. > > I haven't had time to really dig into the unit, and those old caps seem a logical place to start in addition to suspecting one of the rectifiers. Hopefully lightning etc. didn't get into the radio and fry something when he wasn't looking. > > My question to some of you R-390 gurus out there is. Is there a history of Power Supply issues and does anyone know of a source of 26Z5's. Or....if it's not heresy could I replace them with Silicon rectifiers after doing something about the additional B+ that will create? Not sure I want to pillage a great radio by doing that anyway if I can find the correct tubes but it's a consideration. > > Many thanks and 73 Bill AD5OL > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 20:32:20 2014 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 19:32:20 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. In-Reply-To: <010301cf9a2d$9dc14a90$d943dfb0$@cox.net> References: <00b501cf9a19$a25345e0$e6f9d1a0$@cox.net> <6CD0C65E-3631-439C-8A8B-99DF58E15160@xplornet.ca> <010301cf9a2d$9dc14a90$d943dfb0$@cox.net> Message-ID: Jay, did I hear you on 10 meter CW yesterday? I use a sling shot and lead fishing weight. I get out in the street in front of the house at daybreak on Sunday mornings when there is no traffic and shoot nylon filament over the tree in the front yard to use in pulling up dacron and a marine pulley. Of course the pulley holds a rope with one end on a counterweight and the other end going to one end insulator on the 80 m. dipole. My neighbor told me he thought my 75 m. vertical was a flag pole. One day his wife asked me how I got that rope up over the tree. They had company that weekend and the visitors were curious. They thought I climbed the tree! It is a thick dense pine tree. I explained my trick with the slingshot. To them it was clever but to me it was just regular ham procedure. 73 Rob K5UJ On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Jay Bromley wrote: > Great story Eddy! I use an air cannon sometimes here for antenna line > launching and it draws quite a bit of attention. The dogs go nuts over the > sound. So even though johnny law hasn't paid me a visit for my weapon, I > try to use it will the traffic is lite. My HyperDog launcher is quieter, > but the rubber has went bad on those! > > > > Again in the old days as kids we wouldn't have gave this a second thought. > I guess I am becoming an old fart that doesn't want any attention drawn to > me! > > > > 73 de w5jay/jay.. > From jayw5jay at cox.net Mon Jul 7 21:20:52 2014 From: jayw5jay at cox.net (Jay Bromley) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 20:20:52 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. In-Reply-To: References: <00b501cf9a19$a25345e0$e6f9d1a0$@cox.net> <6CD0C65E-3631-439C-8A8B-99DF58E15160@xplornet.ca> <010301cf9a2d$9dc14a90$d943dfb0$@cox.net> Message-ID: <017301cf9a4a$dc777f30$95667d90$@cox.net> Hi Rob, Yep that was me. BTW, I build my own launcher from a tool dog training tool called a HyperDog or some call it HyperDawg. You can find them for less than $20 and you add your reel to it. It uses tennis balls and I add some pennies to the inside for extra weight. Just cut a small slice in the ball with a razor blade and the pennies slide right in. Use about 20 of them or just go with a solid plastic ball, the old super balls work nice. I know some guys think, hey if it will launch a tennis ball that high, then a fishing lead weight must be better! However the larger tennis balls don't seem to hang up around tree limbs. And if you miss with the lead weight and hit your hand you are going to the hospital. Here are some links that might be of interests: http://www.amazon.com/Hyper-Products-0001-4-Ball-Launcher/dp/B000E9757I I just add my fishing reel to the bottom of the ball rack with wire ties and stainless steel cable clamps. Just saw this one: http://w4kaz.com/qth/?p=2367 The Hyper launcher doesn't require air and is quiet. However the air cannon is still the weapon of choice for the huge 100 foot plus trees. What were you doing on 10m CW Rob? :-) 73 de w5jay/jay.. -----Original Message----- From: Rob Atkinson [mailto:ranchorobbo at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 7:32 PM To: Jay Bromley Cc: Eddy Swynar; Discussion of AM Radio Amateur Service; rbethman Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. Jay, did I hear you on 10 meter CW yesterday? I use a sling shot and lead fishing weight. I get out in the street in front of the house at daybreak on Sunday mornings when there is no traffic and shoot nylon filament over the tree in the front yard to use in pulling up dacron and a marine pulley. Of course the pulley holds a rope with one end on a counterweight and the other end going to one end insulator on the 80 m. dipole. My neighbor told me he thought my 75 m. vertical was a flag pole. One day his wife asked me how I got that rope up over the tree. They had company that weekend and the visitors were curious. They thought I climbed the tree! It is a thick dense pine tree. I explained my trick with the slingshot. To them it was clever but to me it was just regular ham procedure. 73 Rob K5UJ On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Jay Bromley wrote: > Great story Eddy! I use an air cannon sometimes here for antenna line > launching and it draws quite a bit of attention. The dogs go nuts > over the sound. So even though johnny law hasn't paid me a visit for > my weapon, I try to use it will the traffic is lite. My HyperDog > launcher is quieter, but the rubber has went bad on those! > > > > Again in the old days as kids we wouldn't have gave this a second thought. > I guess I am becoming an old fart that doesn't want any attention > drawn to me! > > > > 73 de w5jay/jay.. > From randyn3lrx at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 21:30:48 2014 From: randyn3lrx at gmail.com (Randall Berry) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 21:30:48 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. In-Reply-To: References: <00b501cf9a19$a25345e0$e6f9d1a0$@cox.net> <6CD0C65E-3631-439C-8A8B-99DF58E15160@xplornet.ca> <010301cf9a2d$9dc14a90$d943dfb0$@cox.net> Message-ID: <53BB49C8.8010201@gmail.com> I'm in an apartment and may have to secretly string a wire to the trees. I've got my slingshot and fishing reel ready, but I keep pondering the idea of asking the office first and hope they say yes, or just do it. I'd really hate to get evicted for putting up an antenna though. I'm pretty sure I can get an end fed out there and not make any noticeable changes to their building. Which I could see their concern, but I'd only need a small hook attached to the wall of my balcony. I see some have flower hangars attached to their wall, so why can't I hang a wire? Then at least I can get on the air with a couple watts. I don't think I can run a full gallon in my situation I'll have to turn the carrier down quite a bit. Maybe test the waters with 100 watts and gradually move up to 200 watts and go from there.. I'm pretty sure most of the neighbors have cable TV so I shouldn't have too many problems with RFI, just the occasional talking toaster. I'm not even sure there is much problems anymore now that the telly is digital. It's not like the old analog NTSC days anymore. Is there still an issue? I guess there's always a chance of getting into the audio amplifier and modulating that, but I don't know about their over the air signal. I miss my house in Maryland. I had a little ole shack on 11 acres with the permission from the landlord to do whatever I wanted. It's a shame I didn't have a transmitter at the time, but I had a few wires in the trees. A 160m horizontal L and a full 75m dipole.. 73 de Randy, N3LRX On 07/07/2014 08:32 PM, Rob Atkinson wrote: > Jay, did I hear you on 10 meter CW yesterday? > > I use a sling shot and lead fishing weight. I get out in the street > in front of the house at daybreak on Sunday mornings when there is no > traffic and shoot nylon filament over the tree in the front yard to > use in pulling up dacron and a marine pulley. Of course the pulley > holds a rope with one end on a counterweight and the other end going > to one end insulator on the 80 m. dipole. My neighbor told me he > thought my 75 m. vertical was a flag pole. One day his wife asked me > how I got that rope up over the tree. They had company that weekend > and the visitors were curious. They thought I climbed the tree! It > is a thick dense pine tree. I explained my trick with the slingshot. > To them it was clever but to me it was just regular ham procedure. > > 73 > > Rob > K5UJ > > On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Jay Bromley wrote: >> Great story Eddy! I use an air cannon sometimes here for antenna line >> launching and it draws quite a bit of attention. The dogs go nuts over the >> sound. So even though johnny law hasn't paid me a visit for my weapon, I >> try to use it will the traffic is lite. My HyperDog launcher is quieter, >> but the rubber has went bad on those! >> >> >> >> Again in the old days as kids we wouldn't have gave this a second thought. >> I guess I am becoming an old fart that doesn't want any attention drawn to >> me! >> >> >> >> 73 de w5jay/jay.. From jayw5jay at cox.net Mon Jul 7 21:31:59 2014 From: jayw5jay at cox.net (Jay Bromley) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 20:31:59 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. In-Reply-To: References: <00b501cf9a19$a25345e0$e6f9d1a0$@cox.net> <6CD0C65E-3631-439C-8A8B-99DF58E15160@xplornet.ca> <010301cf9a2d$9dc14a90$d943dfb0$@cox.net> Message-ID: <017401cf9a4c$69ca4790$3d5ed6b0$@cox.net> Thankfully the RFI issues seem to be calming down from our end to devices like telephones, TVs, etc. However now it is our turn with all the devices radiating back in to our receivers. Anything from nasty beer refrigerators to electric blankets. All have the same thing in common nasty switching power supplies. When I was running the Collins KW1 and the Johnson Desk, two things I remember doing I didn't think was possible. One was lightning the next door neighbor's kitchen incandescent light bulb when I transmitted! This was not a touch lamps, but I had my share of those as well. The other was rattling the laminations of a motor inside a washing machine! You could hear my audio as plain as day. I wasn't too popular in that neighborhood, but when he complained no one took his serious as he was known to have an alcohol problem. I wouldn't have believed it either until another ham went over and recorded me. This was on 20m with a 3 element Telerex beam and the RFI was over 3 blocks from my QTH. However I never did qualify for WAT (worked all tubs). J I sure miss that setup! 73 de w5jay/jay.. From: Mel Farrer [mailto:farrerfolks at yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 5:16 PM To: Jay Bromley; 'Eddy Swynar'; 'Discussion of AM Radio Amateur Service'; 'rbethman' Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. Oh, that isn't anything to worry about my next door neighbor said in 1964 when I told her I was a ham operator.... A couple years later, a ham friend was going to be on TDY to Japan and wanted to set up a 15 meter schedule to check on things at home, of course no third party traffic. Things went well and we had some nice QSOs on 15 then the band started to fade and I told him I would build a amp. I had a adjustable 5 KV power supply in the garage and decided to put one of the old 450 TH to the task as GG. So there we were, start out on 100 watts, things get rough and I would turn on the amp. OK, then a little worse, turn the variac up. On one Sunday, we started and it was particularly bad so we started pretty much at the limit of the supply and at the end I signed mission accomplished. Next day, nice neighbor lady and my wife were across the fence hanging up wash. She asked my wife if I was on the air that Sunday and she replied, OH yes, they had a great QSO with the ham in Japan. To which she replied, Well, the kids came in and wanted to watch TV,,,,, and after a while gave that up and turned on the hi fi record player and well after a while they gave that up... Then my mother called on the phone and well after a little while I gave that up also. When is Tommy coming home from Japan so we can get back to normal.......... Mel, K6KBE On Monday, July 7, 2014 3:00 PM, Jay Bromley wrote: Great story Eddy! I use an air cannon sometimes here for antenna line launching and it draws quite a bit of attention. The dogs go nuts over the sound. So even though johnny law hasn't paid me a visit for my weapon, I try to use it will the traffic is lite. My HyperDog launcher is quieter, but the rubber has went bad on those! Again in the old days as kids we wouldn't have gave this a second thought. I guess I am becoming an old fart that doesn't want any attention drawn to me! 73 de w5jay/jay.. From: Eddy Swynar [mailto:deswynar at xplornet.ca] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 4:03 PM To: Discussion of AM Radio Amateur Service; jayw5jay at cox.net; rbethman Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. Begin forwarded message: From: "Jay Bromley" Date: July 7, 2014 3:28:29 PM EDT To: "'rbethman'" , Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. Getting back to antennas, this is a great neighborhood overall. Many folks walk during the evening, it never fails they look at the antennas, but no one really cares enough to ask what they are. I often wonder what they are thinking when they look, but know enough not to ask them! :-) 73 de w5jay/jay.. Hi Guys, Some 33 years ago, we had just moved into our very first brand new home, smack dab in the middle of suburbia... We had 2 mortgages on the place, so a tower & raised aluminum antennas were simply not in the equation---however, we deliberately chose the single lot on the street that had tall, mature willow & maple trees, to "...aid & abet" my wire creations. Well, this one time, as I recall, it was a hot, sunny day, & I elected to throw an inverted "J" antenna into the trees for 160-meters: my method of choice for raising aerials back then was a stubby brown (and empty!) beer bottle, and my good throwing arm. To facilitate the wire's raising, I would first tie the end of a long binder's twine onto the neck of the bottle---this, I would then throw into some welcoming (and supporting) tree branches overhead. To facilitate the ease of the twine going up, I would run several circles of it onto the ground, away from the spool, in a spiderweb-like outline. Well, here I was struggling to toss this beer bottle into the trees, and the darn twine would get all snagged in my legs on the way up. Why...? Because of our curious & playful young Siamese cat that we had at the time, named "Benji", who would do his utmost to chew the string, roll around in it, etc. etc. Between frustrated efforts at keeping Benji at bay, and getting off a clean throw, I noticed that a car had pulled up into the driveway of the young couple who lived across the street---but I paid it little mind. However, after yet another frustrated toss---and with twine all around both me & Benji, who was having an absolute ball---I stopped for a breath, and happened to glance across the street... There, much to my amazement (and bemusement!), the couple visiting my neighbours, and the neighbours there themselves, had all assembled folding lawn chairs, and lined them up curb-side, taking-in the show that was unfolding before them, and drinking beer! I could only imagine what they all must have thought: "Just look at that crazy young coot across the street, throwing that beer bottle into the trees & wrestling with his cat like that!" The stuff memories are made of. Still, nobody complained, they all enjoyed the show, Benji had the time of his life, & I ended-up with a superlative suburban sky-hook for Topband that garnered me 48 States and all continents save for Asia, that first winter season...and best of all, not a single covenant in sight! ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From jayw5jay at cox.net Mon Jul 7 21:33:56 2014 From: jayw5jay at cox.net (Jay Bromley) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 20:33:56 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] R-390A Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <017901cf9a4c$af773190$0e6594b0$@cox.net> Be sure to have a close look at the ballast tube. 73 de w5jay/jay.. -----Original Message----- From: AMRadio [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Guyger via AMRadio Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 5:46 PM To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Subject: [AMRadio] R-390A Help Hi All I acquired a 390A over the weekend from a friend who can no longer see to?work on his gear. He made me promise to not sell it or trade it while he was still alive which I wouldn't do anyway out of respect to a genuine gentleman,?a fine ham and one hell of a builder of radio related gear. Returning it to the air is my way of honoring a long time friend. The last time he fired it up the line fuse blew preceded by a sound like one might experience after too much Mexican food and a wisp of smoke. He suggested something in the power supply which seems pretty basic other than Collins' use of 26Z5's for?rectifiers. There's not much else there except for chokes and a couple of caps which date from the 1960's. I haven't had time to really dig into the unit, and those old caps seem a logical place to start in addition to suspecting one of the rectifiers. Hopefully lightning etc. didn't get into the radio and fry something when he wasn't looking. My question to some of you R-390 gurus out there is. Is there a history of Power Supply issues and does anyone know of a source of 26Z5's. Or....if it's not heresy could I replace them with?Silicon rectifiers after doing something about the additional B+ that?will create? Not sure I want to pillage?a great radio by doing that anyway if I can find the correct tubes but it's a consideration.? Many thanks and 73 Bill AD5OL ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From amradio at mailman.qth.net Mon Jul 7 22:04:44 2014 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (CL in NC via AMRadio) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 19:04:44 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] R390 rectifiers Message-ID: <1404785084.10675.YahooMailBasic@web160605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In reference to the tube rectifiers in the R390A, I have gone against the grain and replaced them with silicon diodes, along with installing a chassis mount 500 ohm resistor in series with the B+ out. I would have to go look again since it has been years since I did that, but if I remember correctly, B+ was coming out of the PS and running along the harness in the back and I just cut the leads and spliced the resistor in. B+ is manual exact in my RX. One of the Navy mods is replacing the tubes with diodes, so it does have some credibility. It may have been a suggestion and not an official mod though, I know it is somewhere in my collection of R390A info and will probably show up with internet research on the RX. Charlie, W4MEC in NC From w2xj at w2xj.net Mon Jul 7 23:46:22 2014 From: w2xj at w2xj.net (W2XJ) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 23:46:22 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] R-390A Help In-Reply-To: <017901cf9a4c$af773190$0e6594b0$@cox.net> References: <017901cf9a4c$af773190$0e6594b0$@cox.net> Message-ID: <85EE7F77-2C3A-4FBD-8733-8EAE32244808@w2xj.net> The ballast tube is a series regulator for the PTO filaments. It is not a likely candidate for popping fuses since it has no direct path to ground. Here is how I would proceed. First determine the manufacturer ( there were about 20 ), get the serial number off the nameplate and research any idiosyncrasies about the specific build you have. Then look at the back and see how many fuses the are. The early models had one, F101, it is after input filter mention previously mention could not case it to blow, it would pop the wall breaker and maybe let out some smoke. If you are lucky enough to have a model with 3 fuses a lot of pain can be avoided. F102 is the main B+ coming directly off the power supply module which is really just a transformer and rectifier. F102 feeds unfiltered DC to the audio board where the DC filtering is done for the whole radio. After the filters, F103 protects filtered B+ to the rest of the radio. I would pull F102 and F103 if the radio has them. Turn. On the radio and if F101 blows it is either the power supply module or something in the 25.6 or 6.3 volt distribution which is primarily filament power. If F101 does not blow, replace F102 and repeat the test. If F102 blows without F103 being in place then it is quite possibly the filter caps. 3-30 MFD and 2-45 MFD, check those. If F103 blows, there is something in the radio shorting the B+ and you have to go module by module. So far you will not have had to even open the case of the radio. But here are some mods you should do. Replace the tube rectifiers with solid state. This will require the addition of a 200 ohm resistor in series to keep voltages normal. That mod is an official technical bulletin. If F102 and 103 do not exist on the back of the radio, add them. This could avoid a burned harness and other bad things. Next, although not a mod, replace the 5 filter caps on the audio module. This falls under the general shotgun rule. Finally eliminate the ballast tube. It is simply a regulator scheme for the PTO filaments. Any standard solid state regulator that can handle the current will work. I would use a half wave rectifier to feed the regulator which can be mounted externally and connected through the tube socket once the tube is removed the wall will serve as a heat sink for the regulator. This option solves a few problems but most importantly that tube is the most expense one in the radio if you can even find it. There are materials about replacing other tubes if necessary. Mostly being due to the filament voltages used. Hopefully to solution to your problem will be relatively simple. Sent from my iPad > On Jul 7, 2014, at 9:33 PM, "Jay Bromley" wrote: > > Be sure to have a close look at the ballast tube. 73 de w5jay/jay.. > > -----Original Message----- > From: AMRadio [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill > Guyger via AMRadio > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 5:46 PM > To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service > Subject: [AMRadio] R-390A Help > > Hi All > > I acquired a 390A over the weekend from a friend who can no longer see > to work on his gear. He made me promise to not sell it or trade it while he > was still alive which I wouldn't do anyway out of respect to a genuine > gentleman, a fine ham and one hell of a builder of radio related gear. > Returning it to the air is my way of honoring a long time friend. > > The last time he fired it up the line fuse blew preceded by a sound like one > might experience after too much Mexican food and a wisp of smoke. He > suggested something in the power supply which seems pretty basic other than > Collins' use of 26Z5's for rectifiers. There's not much else there except > for chokes and a couple of caps which date from the 1960's. > > I haven't had time to really dig into the unit, and those old caps seem a > logical place to start in addition to suspecting one of the rectifiers. > Hopefully lightning etc. didn't get into the radio and fry something when he > wasn't looking. > > My question to some of you R-390 gurus out there is. Is there a history of > Power Supply issues and does anyone know of a source of 26Z5's. Or....if > it's not heresy could I replace them with Silicon rectifiers after doing > something about the additional B+ that will create? Not sure I want to > pillage a great radio by doing that anyway if I can find the correct tubes > but it's a consideration. > > Many thanks and 73 Bill AD5OL > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the > word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From k4kyv at charter.net Tue Jul 8 00:16:42 2014 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 00:16:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna Issues Message-ID: <33d67008.43a14.14714301830.Webtop.43@charter.net> > From: "Jay Bromley" > ? > The antenna issue is very real to me and my XYL Kathy. Five years > ago?she > took a job there at the VA. We been trying our best to move to the > Fayetteville area for five years now, trying to find a place that is? > less a 1/2 hour from her work. > ? > Our main hang up in moving is the antenna issue. Every area in the > US?is > different, but up there in NWA it is getting hard to find any place > to?hang > even a simple wire. The new places that will certainly have HOAs they > don't > have mature trees to do you much good in height or cover. So you > are?very > exposed on those places and most will tell you up front, NO towers > at?all > will be considered. Even the larger lots with the older homes > have?some > sort of covenants. However I always look and consider a > simple?doublet if > there is good trees on the older homes. > ? > Forty years ago when I was first a Johnny Novice we never gave > putting?up an > antenna and or towers a second thought. Since looking for now for > 5?years > for a suitable place to live, while operating my ham station in > peace,?has > not been a good experience. Some how the general public and even > some?hams > don't consider how important the antenna is to the station. > Now I cringe at the thought of some counties in the US now attacking > antennas and towers. > 73 de jay/w5jay.. Isn't it sad that we are right now celebrating the 4th of July, the birthday of what is still touted as the freest nation on earth, yet people are increasingly afraid to string a piece of wire between trees on their own property let alone erect a mast or tower, and even rural counties are now enacting anti-antenna ordnances? Those are the kinds of things we were told back in the 50s happened only in places like the Soviet Union, and that was the reason why we should be thankful that we live in the USA. I suspect there are many other well developed countries in the world where one can still put up an antenna without any hassle. In France, for example, there is a specific "antenna rights" law that extends to renters as well as property owners: http://www.enrique-depannage.com/droit_antenne/ I live out in the country on 100 acres, and it's nobody's damned business what kind of tower I put up as long as it is within FAA safety standards, and certainly nobody else's business if I decide to string a wire between two trees. Anyone would have to be illegally trespassing on my property to even know what kind of antennas I have, except for my tower which is widely visible off my property, so they better not try to f##k with me. The tower has been up for over 33 years, so it would be "grandfathered" in place, no matter what kind of ridiculous "ordinance" someone tries to pass after the fact. And it's not just things like antennas and towers. This mentality is now permeating every aspect of our lives. A few days ago my wife took me out to a nice restaurant to celebrate my 72nd birthday, and the server had the audacity to tell me I couldn't be served a glass of wine with my meal if I didn't produce a paper ID card to prove to a kid a third my age that I'm at least 21 years of age! Hell, I was probably 21 y.o. before that kid's mother was born. But most people just take this kind of crap for grated no matter how outrageous it might be and accept it without a second thought, let alone making an issue out of it, so it just keeps on getting worse. Those of us who do make an issue of these things and proclaim our displeasure are derided and in venues like certain web sites, have our threads locked and messages deleted because we are troublemakers, AKA "trolls". Something especially disconcerting about HOA rules is the universal prohibition on antennas that seems to automatically exist everywhere by default, without any stated explanation to justify restricting the property owner's rights, yet it appears all but impossible to have this nonsense repealed or even modified for individual cases. HOAs should be like other "associations" and limited to facilitating property owners to collectively lobby for agreed-on issues and to put pressure on local authorities to enforce duly enacted laws that are actually on the books. It is outrageous that these petty dictatorships are given police power to create and enforce their own rules and the power to foreclose on property of owners who refuse to comply. One more thing. When replying to someone's post on this forum, PLEASE BE CONSIDERATE OF READERS AND TRIM YOUR MESSAGE SO THAT YOU DON'T RE-QUOTE THE TEXT OF THE ENTIRE DIGEST FOLLOWING YOUR SUBMISSION. Don k4kyv Don Mk From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 05:50:44 2014 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 04:50:44 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. In-Reply-To: <017301cf9a4a$dc777f30$95667d90$@cox.net> References: <00b501cf9a19$a25345e0$e6f9d1a0$@cox.net> <6CD0C65E-3631-439C-8A8B-99DF58E15160@xplornet.ca> <010301cf9a2d$9dc14a90$d943dfb0$@cox.net> <017301cf9a4a$dc777f30$95667d90$@cox.net> Message-ID: I heard 10 was open so I was tuning around. I eventually made it up to 29.0 and heard TimTron barreling in working Budley I think. It was a Sunday afternoon opening of E layer propagation or something as I did not hear any dx. 73 Rob K5UJ On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 8:20 PM, Jay Bromley wrote: . > > What were you doing on 10m CW Rob? :-) 73 de w5jay/jay.. From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 06:47:31 2014 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 05:47:31 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna Issues In-Reply-To: <33d67008.43a14.14714301830.Webtop.43@charter.net> References: <33d67008.43a14.14714301830.Webtop.43@charter.net> Message-ID: A big part of the problem is a notion people have, that antennas will devalue their property. Many people mistakenly sink 90% of their net worth in their property, then freak out over any little thing in their neighborhoods because they think whatever it is, will lower their property value. There are a few things wrong with that picture. Firstly, the idea that antennas will lower property values has no factual basis at all and is an entirely subjective judgement. Secondly, folks who put most of their net worth in one product are investing poorly. If you went to them and suggested they have almost all of their investment exposure in one stock they'd tell you that is unwise, yet they think nothing about doing just that with their property. Then, the poor ham in the neighborhood who is minding his own business is blamed, and made to suffer for their own investment incompetence, because to them, a tower is ugly, therefore it MUST lower their property value because if they think it is ugly, surely 100% of all people will think the same. A lot of the anti-antenna reaction is knee jerk and psychological. The sudden change to the landscape precipitates a reaction, as does the chopping down of tall trees, or any other sudden change. But check back in a few weeks and people have stopped thinking about it because they've adjusted to the change. The other big part of the issue is control. People find some security in being able to control what others do nearby even if it conflicts with the rights of property owners. This social trend accelerates as people become more distant from over the air radio and television. A lot of the hams with outdoor antennas who are not in unincorporated rural areas have them only because they are grandfathered where they are, so the problem is actually worse than it appears to be because new hams can't get started, except with unacceptable antennas. A "stealth" antenna, an outdoor screwdriver vertical, attic dipole, wire hidden under roof gutters, and so on are simply not acceptable antennas. The laws of physics make this a fact that can't be disputed, and I stand by that statement. While there are odd HOA exceptions or hams who claim to be satisfied with their hidden stealth antenna, that doesn't change the general fact that a fully exposed full sized antenna is necessary for a satisfactory HF (and AM) operating experience. This is why it is very important that hams contact their congressional representatives and ask them to co-sponsor HR 4969. 73 Rob K5UJ On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 11:16 PM, Donald Chester wrote: > > > Isn't it sad that we are right now celebrating the 4th of July, the birthday > of what is still touted as the freest nation on earth, yet people are > increasingly afraid to string a piece of wire between trees on their own > property let alone erect a mast or tower, and even rural counties are now > enacting anti-antenna ordnances? Those are the kinds of things we were told > back in the 50s happened only in places like the Soviet Union, and that was > the reason why we should be thankful that we live in the USA. I suspect > there are many other well developed countries in the world where one can > still put up an antenna without any hassle. In France, for example, there is > a specific "antenna rights" law that extends to renters as well as property > owners: http://www.enrique-depannage.com/droit_antenne/ > > From ne1s at securespeed.us Tue Jul 8 07:06:52 2014 From: ne1s at securespeed.us (Larry Szendrei) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2014 07:06:52 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] R-390A Help In-Reply-To: <85EE7F77-2C3A-4FBD-8733-8EAE32244808@w2xj.net> References: <017901cf9a4c$af773190$0e6594b0$@cox.net> <85EE7F77-2C3A-4FBD-8733-8EAE32244808@w2xj.net> Message-ID: <53BBD0CC.2090408@securespeed.us> Another way of dealing with missing or bad 26Z5s is to rewire the sockets for 12BW4s, connecting the heaters in series. IIRC this was published long ago in Electric Radio, along with the suggestion of using a PL34 (an inexpensive tube at the time) to replace the 3TF7 regulator. The latter also required a slight re-wire of the socket, again IIRC. I did both mods when I acquired an R390-A about 13 or so years ago and never looked back. 73, -Larry/NE1S From rbethman at comcast.net Tue Jul 8 07:35:09 2014 From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2014 07:35:09 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] R-390A Help In-Reply-To: <1404773150.92879.YahooMailNeo@web125305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1404773150.92879.YahooMailNeo@web125305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <53BBD76D.6000704@comcast.net> Bill, There is one particular power chain failure that has become rather common. Download the Y2K3 manual, and check the selenium rectifier right by the power transformer. (The link escapes my mind at the moment - due to a shortage of coffee at this time of the morning.) They smell like crap when they go. They should be replaced by a diode and dropping resistor. They tend to let out the magic smoke, stink up the place, and do damage. Join the R-390 qth.net group. You'll get a lot of detailed help, and the friendly group will assist you in tracking down the problem. Bob - N0DGN On 7/7/2014 6:45 PM, Bill Guyger via AMRadio wrote: > Hi All > > I acquired a 390A over the weekend from a friend who can no longer see to work on his gear. He made me promise to not sell it or trade it while he was still alive which I wouldn't do anyway out of respect to a genuine gentleman, a fine ham and one hell of a builder of radio related gear. Returning it to the air is my way of honoring a long time friend. > > The last time he fired it up the line fuse blew preceded by a sound like one might experience after too much Mexican food and a wisp of smoke. He suggested something in the power supply which seems pretty basic other than Collins' use of 26Z5's for rectifiers. There's not much else there except for chokes and a couple of caps which date from the 1960's. > > I haven't had time to really dig into the unit, and those old caps seem a logical place to start in addition to suspecting one of the rectifiers. Hopefully lightning etc. didn't get into the radio and fry something when he wasn't looking. > > My question to some of you R-390 gurus out there is. Is there a history of Power Supply issues and does anyone know of a source of 26Z5's. Or....if it's not heresy could I replace them with Silicon rectifiers after doing something about the additional B+ that will create? Not sure I want to pillage a great radio by doing that anyway if I can find the correct tubes but it's a consideration. > > Many thanks and 73 Bill AD5OL From kj4hyd at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 08:35:08 2014 From: kj4hyd at gmail.com (Kevin Raper) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 08:35:08 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. In-Reply-To: <53BB49C8.8010201@gmail.com> References: <00b501cf9a19$a25345e0$e6f9d1a0$@cox.net> <6CD0C65E-3631-439C-8A8B-99DF58E15160@xplornet.ca> <010301cf9a2d$9dc14a90$d943dfb0$@cox.net> <53BB49C8.8010201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <35474A2F-2CA1-4618-9F37-A363C3885A09@gmail.com> On Jul 7, 2014, at 9:30 PM, Randall Berry wrote: > I'm in an apartment and may have to secretly string a wire to the trees. I've got my slingshot and fishing reel ready, but I keep pondering the idea of asking the office first and hope they say yes, or just do it. I'd really hate to get evicted for putting up an antenna though. The Apartment I lived in would not allow ANYTHING like an antenna on the Outside, so I strung up a G5RV in the Attic as well as a 2 Meter - 440 MHz J-Pole. In the Weekends when the land lady was not around, I would shoot a line up into a pig Pine Tree and hoist up my 6 Meter Slim Jim. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w2xj at w2xj.net Tue Jul 8 10:02:18 2014 From: w2xj at w2xj.net (W2XJ) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 10:02:18 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] US House Bill Requires HOAs comply with PRB-1 In-Reply-To: <1677594819.14735831.1404597602414.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com> References: <1677594819.14735831.1404597602414.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <2B776F1A-0AA5-457A-A2F6-7D0F8CE7AA39@w2xj.net> Everybody has their own preference and priority but that's why I always liked living in the country and hated subdivisions. Sent from my iPad > On Jul 5, 2014, at 6:00 PM, "L L bahr " wrote: > > A friend of mine was cited twice. Once because he put a bird bath in his side yard without approval. Another time he got one because they felt he left his garage door open too long. > > I hate them too, however in Texas they are almost a necessity as there are no or few city building codes or ordinances. You surely don't want to build a $500,000 house in a subdivision and have a person bring in a double wide trailer to be your neighbor either. I'm having an antenna problem right now in my neighborhood. I had a tower approved but didn't put it up. In the meantime my neighbor who is on the architectural committee didn't like the approval so they illegally passed a regulation you have 6 months or need new approval if you don't follow through with the initial approval. I argued I am grandfathered and have no time restriction. In about two weeks I'll be putting up the tower. The association is honoring my grandfathering, but my neighbor told me he never plans to talk to me again. I guess that is the way it will have to be. The idea of associations is a good one, however, you have people put on these committees with their own agendas or have lack of knowled > ge or don't have good judgment abilities. Then as the committee members change, so do the standards. There is no checks or balances or standards who gets on these boards or committees. > Lee, w0vt > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From macklinbob at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 10:40:57 2014 From: macklinbob at gmail.com (K5MYJ) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 07:40:57 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. References: <00b501cf9a19$a25345e0$e6f9d1a0$@cox.net> <6CD0C65E-3631-439C-8A8B-99DF58E15160@xplornet.ca> <010301cf9a2d$9dc14a90$d943dfb0$@cox.net><53BB49C8.8010201@gmail.com> <35474A2F-2CA1-4618-9F37-A363C3885A09@gmail.com> Message-ID: <08964ADE98C24D38B5DCA318C9FFC5E8@IVORYTOWER> In the late 60's, early 70's I live in an apartment where a HF antenna was not possible. But I was able to work 2M AM on a coaxial dipole hung from the second floor rain gutter. It worked well for local activity. 2M AM is now HISTORY and it seems most 2M FM activity is on the repeaters. What does a modern ham start with? The cheapest solution is a 2M FM transceiver. There are no HF transceivers (that I know of) available under $500. In THE OLD DAYS we would start with a GC receiver and a HB transmitter. We learned our CW that way. As time went on we would upgrade the receiver and the transmitter as funds would allow. That method of getting started does not seem possible anymore for NEWBIES. I started with S-38 ( the original with a REAL BFO) and a HB 6AG7/807 transmitter from a mid 50's handbook. Is HF radio in decline? I don't see much HF activity here in Seattle except on contest days. And I use the Reverse Beacons to monitor CW activity. But they don't work well for AM or SSB. I'm not the only one in this area that does not see much activity. And I do have some decent receivers. Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa. "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Raper" To: "Randall Berry" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 5:35 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. > > On Jul 7, 2014, at 9:30 PM, Randall Berry wrote: > >> I'm in an apartment and may have to secretly string a wire to the trees. >> I've got my slingshot and fishing reel ready, but I keep pondering the >> idea of asking the office first and hope they say yes, or just do it. I'd >> really hate to get evicted for putting up an antenna though. > > > > The Apartment I lived in would not allow ANYTHING like an antenna on the > Outside, so I strung up a G5RV in the Attic as well as a 2 Meter - 440 MHz > J-Pole. In the Weekends when the land lady was not around, I would shoot a > line up into a pig Pine Tree and hoist up my 6 Meter Slim Jim. > > > > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical > standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From rbethman at comcast.net Tue Jul 8 10:53:10 2014 From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2014 10:53:10 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. In-Reply-To: <08964ADE98C24D38B5DCA318C9FFC5E8@IVORYTOWER> References: <00b501cf9a19$a25345e0$e6f9d1a0$@cox.net> <6CD0C65E-3631-439C-8A8B-99DF58E15160@xplornet.ca> <010301cf9a2d$9dc14a90$d943dfb0$@cox.net><53BB49C8.8010201@gmail.com> <35474A2F-2CA1-4618-9F37-A363C3885A09@gmail.com> <08964ADE98C24D38B5DCA318C9FFC5E8@IVORYTOWER> Message-ID: <53BC05D6.8090509@comcast.net> Bob, It appears to be more a regional issue. I don't have to hang out much of anything for an antenna here on the East coast - Virginia, and I can go from band to band and here activity. You are in an RF hole being tucked away just a bit from the mountains. That has to be a big issue for you to overcome. Plus you have antenna restrictions to boot. The XYL and I already know pretty well where we are going to move when we retire. We are going back home to Georgia. I never had any issues down there with hearing and/or talking to folks. Didn't need anything fancy either! Bob - N0DGN On 7/8/2014 10:40 AM, K5MYJ wrote: > In the late 60's, early 70's I live in an apartment where a HF antenna > was not possible. But I was able to work 2M AM on a coaxial dipole > hung from the second floor rain gutter. It worked well for local > activity. > > 2M AM is now HISTORY and it seems most 2M FM activity is on the > repeaters. > > What does a modern ham start with? The cheapest solution is a 2M FM > transceiver. > > There are no HF transceivers (that I know of) available under $500. > > In THE OLD DAYS we would start with a GC receiver and a HB > transmitter. We learned our CW that way. As time went on we would > upgrade the receiver and the transmitter as funds would allow. > > That method of getting started does not seem possible anymore for > NEWBIES. > > I started with S-38 ( the original with a REAL BFO) and a HB 6AG7/807 > transmitter from a mid 50's handbook. > > Is HF radio in decline? I don't see much HF activity here in Seattle > except on contest days. And I use the Reverse Beacons to monitor CW > activity. But they don't work well for AM or SSB. > > I'm not the only one in this area that does not see much activity. And > I do have some decent receivers. > > Bob Macklin > K5MYJ > Seattle, Wa. > "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" From macklinbob at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 11:24:51 2014 From: macklinbob at gmail.com (K5MYJ) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 08:24:51 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. References: <00b501cf9a19$a25345e0$e6f9d1a0$@cox.net> <6CD0C65E-3631-439C-8A8B-99DF58E15160@xplornet.ca> <010301cf9a2d$9dc14a90$d943dfb0$@cox.net><53BB49C8.8010201@gmail.com> <35474A2F-2CA1-4618-9F37-A363C3885A09@gmail.com><08964ADE98C24D38B5DCA318C9FFC5E8@IVORYTOWER> <53BC05D6.8090509@comcast.net> Message-ID: <9585D74AC5BC4CE4A1BDB65073188388@IVORYTOWER> Bob, On contest days I hear a lot. I have copied Russia, Japan, Scandinavia, and the Caribbean. I can copy the Midwest and East Coast. But I hear very little from the West Coast. The Reverse Beacons work well for CW and RTTY. But I get the feeling we are really seeing a lack of CW activity here on the West Coast. I also believe the further north you go the worse things get. The Northwest AM group went dormant several years ago. And the So Cal AM group does not make it here to Seattle with a useable signal level. Ten years ago the activity here was much better. I just don't see new people entering HF here in the PNW. They are all into 2M repeaters and EMCOMM. Not what I think of as real ham radio. Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa. "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" ----- Original Message ----- From: "rbethman" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. > Bob, > > It appears to be more a regional issue. > > I don't have to hang out much of anything for an antenna here on the East > coast - Virginia, and I can go from band to band and here activity. > > You are in an RF hole being tucked away just a bit from the mountains. > That has to be a big issue for you to overcome. > > Plus you have antenna restrictions to boot. > > The XYL and I already know pretty well where we are going to move when we > retire. We are going back home to Georgia. I never had any issues down > there with hearing and/or talking to folks. > > Didn't need anything fancy either! > > Bob - N0DGN > > > > On 7/8/2014 10:40 AM, K5MYJ wrote: >> In the late 60's, early 70's I live in an apartment where a HF antenna >> was not possible. But I was able to work 2M AM on a coaxial dipole hung >> from the second floor rain gutter. It worked well for local activity. >> >> 2M AM is now HISTORY and it seems most 2M FM activity is on the >> repeaters. >> >> What does a modern ham start with? The cheapest solution is a 2M FM >> transceiver. >> >> There are no HF transceivers (that I know of) available under $500. >> >> In THE OLD DAYS we would start with a GC receiver and a HB transmitter. >> We learned our CW that way. As time went on we would upgrade the receiver >> and the transmitter as funds would allow. >> >> That method of getting started does not seem possible anymore for >> NEWBIES. >> >> I started with S-38 ( the original with a REAL BFO) and a HB 6AG7/807 >> transmitter from a mid 50's handbook. >> >> Is HF radio in decline? I don't see much HF activity here in Seattle >> except on contest days. And I use the Reverse Beacons to monitor CW >> activity. But they don't work well for AM or SSB. >> >> I'm not the only one in this area that does not see much activity. And I >> do have some decent receivers. >> >> Bob Macklin >> K5MYJ >> Seattle, Wa. >> "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From kj4hyd at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 11:34:27 2014 From: kj4hyd at gmail.com (Kevin Raper) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 11:34:27 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. In-Reply-To: <08964ADE98C24D38B5DCA318C9FFC5E8@IVORYTOWER> References: <00b501cf9a19$a25345e0$e6f9d1a0$@cox.net> <6CD0C65E-3631-439C-8A8B-99DF58E15160@xplornet.ca> <010301cf9a2d$9dc14a90$d943dfb0$@cox.net><53BB49C8.8010201@gmail.com> <35474A2F-2CA1-4618-9F37-A363C3885A09@gmail.com> <08964ADE98C24D38B5DCA318C9FFC5E8@IVORYTOWER> Message-ID: On Jul 8, 2014, at 10:40 AM, K5MYJ wrote: > 2M AM is now HISTORY and it seems most 2M FM activity is on the repeaters. There are several of us AM nuts that use old 2 meter AM rigs on the air. I use a Home-Brew Heathkit 2er clone myself. > What does a modern ham start with? The cheapest solution is a 2M FM transceiver. > > There are no HF transceivers (that I know of) available under $500. I just picked up a nice Working, but drifting EICO 753 Tribander for $100 Bucks. > Is HF radio in decline? I don't see much HF activity here in Seattle except on contest days. And I use the Reverse Beacons to monitor CW activity. But they don't work well for AM or SSB. NO, 160M, 75M, 40M, 6M and 2 Meter AM are all alive and well in South Carolina! > I'm not the only one in this area that does not see much activity. And I do have some decent receivers. Some of the South Carolina AMers are Me, KI4MLN, W4OPW, KC4KMG, AI4NX, and many more. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From amradio at mailman.qth.net Tue Jul 8 11:46:04 2014 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (wb2ahk via AMRadio) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 11:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AMRadio] Vailant output Message-ID: <2ba48.3c5b3a72.40ed6c3c@aol.com> Ok guys, I first need to once again thank Dan WB5AFY for sending me the Bandswitch i needed for my Valiant. He sent it N/C including shipping. Everyone please applaud this fine Amateur for whom the fraternity should be so proud of. Afterwoods, I placed an ad here mentioning that i had parts for the Viking two which i am parting out and was able to help a happy ham with the top cabinet cover, n/c. I have other Viking two parts, So if anyone has needs send me an email. Next, I wonder if anyone can assist me with the Valiant i am working on. The Bandswitch transplant went perfect and the Valiant is now working on all bands again . The question is , the power output varies considerably from band to band. The transmitter is feeding a Cantenna, so its 50 ohms on all bands. Is this a normal condition? I think not. On 40 i get easily the 150 watts output but on 75 and 160 i get 100 watts , all at the recommended 330 mills plate current. Would it be that the taps on the Final tank coil are not soldered in the right place???. Any Ideas?? P.S. On 160 and 75 i can get the 150 watts but the plate current is way high. Chet brown, Wb2ahk From amradio at mailman.qth.net Tue Jul 8 11:51:41 2014 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (Bill Guyger via AMRadio) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 08:51:41 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] R-390A Help Message-ID: <1404834701.27260.YahooMailNeo@web125306.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Thanks to all that replied, now to go diggin'! Just wanted to?see if any of you had any hot sports opinions?before I go hunting. ?Shouldn't be a real chore once I get time, a manual was included along with the radio. Tnx 73 Bill AD5OL From macklinbob at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 11:54:42 2014 From: macklinbob at gmail.com (K5MYJ) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 08:54:42 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] Vailant output References: <2ba48.3c5b3a72.40ed6c3c@aol.com> Message-ID: <78316F7945B640DFA654CCF32586D63A@IVORYTOWER> Remember that when these transmitters we made power was defined as input to the final, not RF output. And if you had 100W input you would be lucky to get 60W output. Are you sure you have enough grid drive on 160 and 80? Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa. "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" ----- Original Message ----- From: "wb2ahk via AMRadio" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 8:46 AM Subject: [AMRadio] Vailant output > Ok guys, > I first need to once again thank Dan WB5AFY for sending me the > Bandswitch i needed for my Valiant. He sent it N/C including shipping. > Everyone > please applaud this fine Amateur for whom the fraternity should be so > proud > of. > Afterwoods, I placed an ad here mentioning that i had parts for the > Viking > two which i am parting out and was able to help a happy ham with the top > cabinet cover, n/c. I have other Viking two parts, So if anyone has > needs send me an email. > Next, I wonder if anyone can assist me with the Valiant i am working on. > The Bandswitch transplant went perfect and the Valiant is now working on > all bands again . The question is , the power output varies > considerably > from band to band. The transmitter is feeding a Cantenna, so its 50 > ohms > on all bands. Is this a normal condition? I think not. > On 40 i get easily the 150 watts output but on 75 and 160 i get 100 > watts > , all at the recommended 330 mills plate current. Would it be that the > taps on the Final tank coil are not soldered in the right place???. > Any > Ideas?? > > P.S. On 160 and 75 i can get the 150 watts but the plate current is > way > high. > > Chet brown, Wb2ahk > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From randyn3lrx at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 12:09:38 2014 From: randyn3lrx at gmail.com (Randall Berry) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2014 12:09:38 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. In-Reply-To: References: <00b501cf9a19$a25345e0$e6f9d1a0$@cox.net> <6CD0C65E-3631-439C-8A8B-99DF58E15160@xplornet.ca> <010301cf9a2d$9dc14a90$d943dfb0$@cox.net><53BB49C8.8010201@gmail.com> <35474A2F-2CA1-4618-9F37-A363C3885A09@gmail.com> <08964ADE98C24D38B5DCA318C9FFC5E8@IVORYTOWER> Message-ID: <53BC17C2.9020304@gmail.com> On 07/08/2014 11:34 AM, Kevin Raper wrote: > > On Jul 8, 2014, at 10:40 AM, K5MYJ wrote: > >> 2M AM is now HISTORY and it seems most 2M FM activity is on the >> repeaters. > > > There are several of us AM nuts that use old 2 meter AM rigs on the > air. I use a Home-Brew Heathkit 2er clone myself. > That I'm glad to hear. I had a Heathkit Twoer as well but never got around to using it because there was no 2m am activity in the area. > > >> What does a modern ham start with? The cheapest solution is a 2M FM >> transceiver. For entry level yes, especially when you can buy a Baofeng HT for $35 on amazon. High band activity here sucks.. The local 2 m, 1.25 m, and the 70 cm repeaters lay quiet unless there is a net. Then you're lucky to hear 5 people check in (often less). >> >> There are no HF transceivers (that I know of) available under $500. > > > > I just picked up a nice Working, but drifting EICO 753 Tribander for > $100 Bucks. > > > >> Is HF radio in decline? I don't see much HF activity here in Seattle >> except on contest days. And I use the Reverse Beacons to monitor CW >> activity. But they don't work well for AM or SSB. > NO, 160M, 75M, 40M, 6M and 2 Meter AM are all alive and well in South Carolina! > > > >> I'm not the only one in this area that does not see much activity. >> And I do have some decent receivers. > > > > Some of the South Carolina AMers are Me, KI4MLN, W4OPW, KC4KMG, AI4NX, > and many more. > > > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a > mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. > - Leonard Kahn > > > From kj4hyd at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 12:35:37 2014 From: kj4hyd at gmail.com (Kevin Raper) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 12:35:37 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. In-Reply-To: <53BC17C2.9020304@gmail.com> References: <00b501cf9a19$a25345e0$e6f9d1a0$@cox.net> <6CD0C65E-3631-439C-8A8B-99DF58E15160@xplornet.ca> <010301cf9a2d$9dc14a90$d943dfb0$@cox.net><53BB49C8.8010201@gmail.com> <35474A2F-2CA1-4618-9F37-A363C3885A09@gmail.com> <08964ADE98C24D38B5DCA318C9FFC5E8@IVORYTOWER> <53BC17C2.9020304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2AB0B774-8BD3-4366-B2BE-9AA2C7463A32@gmail.com> On Jul 8, 2014, at 12:09 PM, Randall Berry wrote: > For entry level yes, especially when you can buy a Baofeng HT for $35 on amazon. High band activity here sucks.. The local 2 m, 1.25 m, and the 70 cm repeaters lay quiet unless there is a net. Then you're lucky to hear 5 people check in (often less). Our local 2 meter repeater has a huge coverage area since it is on WYFF TV's tower about 2000 feet above average terrain. It stays very busy 24/7, in fact some nights they have a hard time clearing it for the BRARS Net. I will have to admit I do like my Beofeng HTs. I got my first one because I would cry a lot less if the Beofeng got killed while out in the Woods than I would if my $500 Kenwood was killed, but the Stupid Beofeng will hit repeaters that the Kenwood will NOT! When all of my Ham stuff burned up in a House Fire, I just replaced with all Beofengs. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w2xj at w2xj.net Tue Jul 8 12:43:52 2014 From: w2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 12:43:52 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] R-390A Help In-Reply-To: <1404834701.27260.YahooMailNeo@web125306.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1404834701.27260.YahooMailNeo@web125306.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You should really download an on line version as some have more detail and background information. I should note that every single tube in that radio can still be bought as old stock never used online. These guys have everything but the ballast tube which can be had from fair radio http://www.vacuumtubes.net/prices.htm Rectifiers are $20 each and the ballast is $60 while the other tubes are between $3&$7. That is a good reason to go solid state on those three expensive tubes. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 8, 2014, at 11:51 AM, Bill Guyger via AMRadio wrote: > > Thanks to all that replied, now to go diggin'! Just wanted to see if any of you had any hot sports opinions before I go hunting. Shouldn't be a real chore once I get time, a manual was included along with the radio. > > Tnx 73 Bill AD5OL > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From randyn3lrx at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 13:19:40 2014 From: randyn3lrx at gmail.com (Randall Berry) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2014 13:19:40 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. In-Reply-To: References: <00b501cf9a19$a25345e0$e6f9d1a0$@cox.net> <6CD0C65E-3631-439C-8A8B-99DF58E15160@xplornet.ca> <010301cf9a2d$9dc14a90$d943dfb0$@cox.net> Message-ID: <53BC282C.50300@gmail.com> On 07/07/2014 08:32 PM, Rob Atkinson wrote: > Jay, did I hear you on 10 meter CW yesterday? > > I use a sling shot and lead fishing weight. I get out in the street > in front of the house at daybreak on Sunday mornings when there is no > traffic and shoot nylon filament over the tree in the front yard to > use in pulling up dacron and a marine pulley. Of course the pulley > holds a rope with one end on a counterweight and the other end going > to one end insulator on the 80 m. dipole. How do you affix the pulley to the tree from the ground? From rbethman at comcast.net Tue Jul 8 13:28:57 2014 From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2014 13:28:57 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] R-390A Help In-Reply-To: References: <1404834701.27260.YahooMailNeo@web125306.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <53BC2A59.8010200@comcast.net> I'd add that there is NO reason to buy a 3TF7 ballast tube. A simple and inexpensive 49 - 50 ohm 10W resistor across the two pins the 3TF7 uses is all it takes! Ran a '67 EAC that way for about 6 years. Not a single problem. I do happen to have a 3TF7, but I'm going to just hang on to it. I also have a handful of the 26Z5Ws. I worry less about solid stating them than I would worry about that selenium rectifier. When the selenium rectifier goes, you definitely do NOT want to get a nose full! It is a nasty gas that they let go of! Not good for the human body. The two can caps can be gotten from Tom N0JMY at hayseed hamfest. They make them from the ground up all new. Re-stuffing them is a pain that only gives you the "satisfaction" of making it "appear" to be original. Not worth the work and effort. Make sure all the capacitors are up to snuff! Usually better to re-cap if it isn't an EAC. Almost all the rest are too old and have the Brown Beauties, referred to as BBOD, (Brown Beauties of Death). Make darn sure that the DC blocking cap on the filters is rated for 1 or more KV. You don't want to be blowing filters! Filters are getting as rare as hen's teeth! Bob - N0DGN On 7/8/2014 12:43 PM, W2xj wrote: > You should really download an on line version as some have more detail and background information. > > I should note that every single tube in that radio can still be bought as old stock never used online. > > These guys have everything but the ballast tube which can be had from fair radio > > http://www.vacuumtubes.net/prices.htm > > Rectifiers are $20 each and the ballast is $60 while the other tubes are between $3&$7. That is a good reason to go solid state on those three expensive tubes. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 8, 2014, at 11:51 AM, Bill Guyger via AMRadio wrote: >> >> Thanks to all that replied, now to go diggin'! Just wanted to see if any of you had any hot sports opinions before I go hunting. Shouldn't be a real chore once I get time, a manual was included along with the radio. >> >> Tnx 73 Bill AD5OL From jayw5jay at cox.net Tue Jul 8 13:35:57 2014 From: jayw5jay at cox.net (Jay Bromley) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 12:35:57 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. In-Reply-To: References: <00b501cf9a19$a25345e0$e6f9d1a0$@cox.net> <6CD0C65E-3631-439C-8A8B-99DF58E15160@xplornet.ca> <010301cf9a2d$9dc14a90$d943dfb0$@cox.net> <017301cf9a4a$dc777f30$95667d90$@cox.net> Message-ID: <001701cf9ad3$13bec4c0$3b3c4e40$@cox.net> Hi Rob, Small world, planning on putting up a HEX beam on pole soon. This should get me back on the higher bands with AM. I tuned up the band a few times and heard nothing, but worked a lot of guys on 6m that day as well. Where you using some of your latest receivers you have restored? 73 de w5jay/jay.. Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. I heard 10 was open so I was tuning around. I eventually made it up to 29.0 and heard TimTron barreling in working Budley I think. It was a Sunday afternoon opening of E layer propagation or something as I did not hear any dx. 73 Rob K5UJ On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 8:20 PM, Jay Bromley wrote: . > > What were you doing on 10m CW Rob? :-) 73 de w5jay/jay.. From amradio at mailman.qth.net Tue Jul 8 14:00:59 2014 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (W2EMN via AMRadio) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 14:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AMRadio] R-390A Help In-Reply-To: References: <1404834701.27260.YahooMailNeo@web125306.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8D168EDB52E4C47-18A4-13BCA@webmail-va008.sysops.aol.com> I replaced my ballast tube with a resistor 30 years ago (the internet hadn't been invented yet, and it was hard to find a spare 3TF7). I've had no regrets, and a 40-50 ohm resistor is the simplest solution to the ballast problem. The solid state replacement for the rectifiers is a well-documented Navy fix. I'd bet on the filter caps being a problem, but the troubleshooting technique recommended sounds fine. -----Original Message----- From: W2xj To: Bill Guyger Cc: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Sent: Tue, Jul 8, 2014 12:45 pm Subject: Re: [AMRadio] R-390A Help You should really download an on line version as some have more detail and background information. I should note that every single tube in that radio can still be bought as old stock never used online. These guys have everything but the ballast tube which can be had from fair radio http://www.vacuumtubes.net/prices.htm Rectifiers are $20 each and the ballast is $60 while the other tubes are between $3&$7. That is a good reason to go solid state on those three expensive tubes. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 8, 2014, at 11:51 AM, Bill Guyger via AMRadio wrote: > > Thanks to all that replied, now to go diggin'! Just wanted to see if any of you had any hot sports opinions before I go hunting. Shouldn't be a real chore once I get time, a manual was included along with the radio. > > Tnx 73 Bill AD5OL > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 14:26:24 2014 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 13:26:24 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Vailant output In-Reply-To: <2ba48.3c5b3a72.40ed6c3c@aol.com> References: <2ba48.3c5b3a72.40ed6c3c@aol.com> Message-ID: I don't remember the details but Pat WB9GKZ revealed a few years ago that the Valiant plate meter shunt would be off and that was the cause of low output. I may be incorrect on the detail but I remember low output and meter shunt problem. Something to check. 73 Rob K5UJ From w5jo at brightok.net Tue Jul 8 14:47:06 2014 From: w5jo at brightok.net (Jim Wilhite) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 13:47:06 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. In-Reply-To: <53BC17C2.9020304@gmail.com> References: <00b501cf9a19$a25345e0$e6f9d1a0$@cox.net> <6CD0C65E-3631-439C-8A8B-99DF58E15160@xplornet.ca> <010301cf9a2d$9dc14a90$d943dfb0$@cox.net><53BB49C8.8010201@gmail.com><35474A2F-2CA1-4618-9F37-A363C3885A09@gmail.com><08964ADE98C24D38B5DCA318C9FFC5E8@IVORYTOWER> <53BC17C2.9020304@gmail.com> Message-ID: I need a bit of help, fellows and gals. If you choose to reply in the body of a post please space your comments at least three spaces from the preceding comment. Sometimes it is difficult for me to find what you have said in response to the body of the message where you enter your reply. If you choose to reply following the original message then also space it sufficiently so it is readily evident what your reply is. Also I have never specified much about this topic, but consider I read all of every post and this would just make it a bit easier. Also it would be good if you would trim the body of the original post to just the subject your reply is directed toward. Remember that information at the bottom of every post or reply can be edited out too. Just some suggestions 73 Jim W5JO Moderator From amradio at mailman.qth.net Tue Jul 8 14:49:18 2014 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (Bill Guyger via AMRadio) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 11:49:18 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] R-390A Help In-Reply-To: <8D168EDB52E4C47-18A4-13BCA@webmail-va008.sysops.aol.com> References: <1404834701.27260.YahooMailNeo@web125306.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8D168EDB52E4C47-18A4-13BCA@webmail-va008.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1404845358.78840.YahooMailNeo@web125304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Interestingly, the very first thing I remember building was a Neon Relaxation Code Practice Oscillator in the mid to late 50's, I must have been 8?or so at the time.?It had a Selenium rectifier that fried and I remember the stench to this day. My mother was not too impressed either.? Collins and then?Continental used them as snubbers across things like the Plate Choke in broadcast transmitters for a pretty good while (I don't think they still use them)?and the drill is to get them the heck out of circuit. They were for surge suppression so they basically didn't do that much and if they did go.............wow! When the Mexican singer Selena was murdered?a number of?years?ago, all the Hispanics in the area were driving around with "In Memory of Selena" painted on their rear windows. I mounted an old rectifier on a piece of?poster board that said "In Memory of Selenium" on it and stick it in the rear window of my car. Nobody ever smashed my window and my engineering buddies got a snicker so guess all's well that ended well. Bill On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 1:01 PM, "djed1 at aol.com" wrote: Ireplaced my ballast tube with a resistor 30 years ago (the internet hadn't been invented yet, and it was hard to find a spare 3TF7).? I've had no regrets, and a 40-50 ohm resistor is the simplest solution to the ballast problem. The solid state replacement for the rectifiers is a well-documented Navy fix. I'd bet on the filter caps being a problem, but the troubleshooting technique recommended sounds fine. -----Original Message----- From: W2xj To: Bill Guyger Cc: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Sent: Tue, Jul 8, 2014 12:45 pm Subject: Re: [AMRadio] R-390A Help You should really download an on line version as some have more detail and background information. I should note that every single tube in that radio can still be bought as old stock never used online. These guys have everything but the ballast tube which can be had from fair radio http://www.vacuumtubes.net/prices.htm Rectifiers are $20 each and the ballast is $60 while the other tubes are between $3&$7. That is a good reason to go solid state on those three expensive tubes. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 8, 2014, at 11:51 AM, Bill Guyger via AMRadio wrote: > > Thanks to all that replied, now to go diggin'! Just wanted to see if any of you had any hot sports opinions before I go hunting. Shouldn't be a real chore once I get time, a manual was included along with the radio. > > Tnx 73 Bill AD5OL > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From k4kyv at charter.net Tue Jul 8 15:03:03 2014 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 14:03:03 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna Issues Message-ID: <000001cf9adf$3f088060$bd198120$@charter.net> -----Original Message----- From: Rob Atkinson >>>>A "stealth" antenna, an outdoor screwdriver vertical, attic dipole, wire hidden under roof gutters, and so on are simply not acceptable antennas. The laws of physics make this a fact that can't be disputed, and I stand by that statement. While there are odd HOA exceptions or hams who claim to be satisfied with their hidden stealth antenna, that doesn't change the general fact that a fully exposed full sized antenna is necessary for a satisfactory HF (and AM) operating experience. This is why it is very important that hams contact their congressional representatives and ask them to co-sponsor HR 4969. Rob K5UJ >>>>> And as you once pointed out already, the mainstream ham rags like QST, CQ and the Handbook are not doing the ham community any favour by bombarding us non-stop with editorials and articles touting the wonders of "stealth" antennas, without conspicuously pointing out their limitations. If a tower or antenna case goes to court and the ham tries to invoke PRB-1 or if a ham tries to reach a settlement with the HOA, all the anti-antenna people have to do is bring a stack of these articles to the hearing as proof that one can "communicate" satisfactorily with a compromise antenna, which would fall within the realm of "reasonable accommodation" and therefore the proposed structure is un-necessary. Don k4kyv --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com From lafrieda at earthlink.net Tue Jul 8 16:17:31 2014 From: lafrieda at earthlink.net (James R. La Frieda) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2014 13:17:31 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna Issues In-Reply-To: <000001cf9adf$3f088060$bd198120$@charter.net> References: <000001cf9adf$3f088060$bd198120$@charter.net> Message-ID: <53BC51DB.5040305@earthlink.net> One excellent alternative to a stealth flagpole antenna, or heating up one's rain gutters is to build a Hi Q Magnetic Loop Antenna that is no more than 3 ft in diameter, and which works out great, being only 3 ft off the ground. To see these loop antennas and how they are built , look at the QRZ. com site of Rich, K8NDS And, if you become interested, join the Yahoo Group at: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Helically_Loaded_Mag_Loop/info Below is a recent e-mail from a ham who just built his first Hi Q loop: ================================================================================================================================================================================================ Thank you, Rich. I hope to start experimenting sometime later this week. I'll post more results afterwards. By the way - during field day with my club, one of the hams came with his mag loop antenna he made. It was a crude layout but did it ever work.....!!!!!!!!! He made over 100 contacts on 15m. Even worked Russia, France, and South America with 50w on PSK31. His loop was 3 ft diameter. 2 ft off ground held up by 1 in PVC pipe stuck in a 5 gal bucket of sand. He used a air capacitor and a Grama match. Got 1:1 on 28.120. Everyone at my club knew I was working on my loop but couldn't get it working in time. His loop made believers out of our members. I gave several members this Yahoo group to check out. As you know, lots of hams don't know about how good a performance you can get from loops, especially your helical design :- =============================================================================================================================================================================================== 73, Jim (N6MV) On 7/8/2014 12:03 PM, Donald Chester wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Atkinson > >>>>> A "stealth" antenna, an outdoor screwdriver vertical, attic dipole, wire > hidden under roof gutters, and so on are simply not acceptable antennas. > The laws of physics make this a fact that can't be > disputed, and I stand by that statement. While there are odd HOA > exceptions or hams who claim to be satisfied with their hidden stealth > antenna, that doesn't change the general fact that a fully exposed full > sized antenna is necessary for a satisfactory HF (and AM) operating > experience. > > This is why it is very important that hams contact their congressional > representatives and ask them to co-sponsor HR 4969. > > Rob > K5UJ >>>>> > > And as you once pointed out already, the mainstream ham rags like QST, CQ > and the Handbook are not doing the ham community any favour by bombarding us > non-stop with editorials and articles touting the wonders of "stealth" > antennas, without conspicuously pointing out their limitations. > > If a tower or antenna case goes to court and the ham tries to invoke PRB-1 > or if a ham tries to reach a settlement with the HOA, all the anti-antenna > people have to do is bring a stack of these articles to the hearing as > proof that one can "communicate" satisfactorily with a compromise antenna, > which would fall within the realm of "reasonable accommodation" and > therefore the proposed structure is un-necessary. > > Don k4kyv > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > From rbethman at comcast.net Tue Jul 8 17:51:53 2014 From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2014 17:51:53 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Antennas Message-ID: <53BC67F9.70902@comcast.net> I will have to echo Don's excellent summation. Nothing will ever beat a well constructed, and adequately spaced away from the shack and any interfering structures. I've seen some of the craziest installations in existence. Most wouldn't do worth squat. I've spent an hour or so with several that were trying to get licensed. All that time was spent with them and their antennas. They were *much* happier after I had shown them the difference between what they "thought" might work, vs. what I left them with that *did* work. Antenna construction appears to some as a "black art" for reasons I cannot fathom. Inverted Vees will work quite well if the center is elevated enough. You can't always get a "pretty" dipole up in some of the lots that folks live on. I've only been fortunate twice in being able to get "pretty" dipoles in the air, and high enough. The ideas presented in manuals, such as ARRL Handbooks, ARRL Antenna books, the West Coast Handbooks are nice and "pretty". What I mean by pretty, is that they are stretched out nice and straight, have the "purported" height above ground, and all nice and tidy. I consistently tell, and show folks, that you can have a Dipole up, and it does NOT have to be all nice and straight! The same is true of inverted vees. If space doesn't permit the antenna to "look" just like all the manuals show and teach/preach, you'd be surprised to find how well it *will* work - if you have to bend one end down at an angle a bit, or even change direction in a horizontal plane. A little ingenuity, and a bit of experimentation, and voila! You end up with a good radiating antenna that doesn't match any of the manuals that "only" give you a purely textbook view of how to do it. One of the two locations that I "could" get it up high enough, didn't allow for a straight dipole. So the center was off about 20 feet from center, making it a flying Vee. It did just fine, and didn't exhibit any directionality that I could tell for the several years that I was stationed there. I made contacts from New Zealand, to Key West, with many points way north and in all directions. If I could hear them, then it was almost a guarantee that I could talk to them. I rarely had to turn on my HB GG-813s. They got reserved when I finally needed to bore through the old "Russian Woodpecker". We all remember that mess! My suggestion is to read and understand what all the textbook theory is presenting. Then do what you can, and if it won't fit like the book espouses - go for it! Bend the rules some if you have to! Don't be afraid to try! You may well be pleasantly surprised! Now just don't go out there and put 5W on the antenna and think it will do it all. Sometimes it will, then there are times it won't! You may even get surprised to hold a QSO over 150 miles distant with an ungrounded dummy load! Been there, done that. It was NOT intentional! It just happened one time. The other station did remark that I didn't sound up to my normal signal. That was when I saw the coax switch was turned to the dummy load. My $0.02 worth, and you'll get everything you paid for too! Just keep these ides in mind. Bob - N0DGN From w3slk at verizon.net Tue Jul 8 18:04:23 2014 From: w3slk at verizon.net (w3slk at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2014 18:04:23 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Antennas In-Reply-To: <53BC67F9.70902@comcast.net> References: <53BC67F9.70902@comcast.net> Message-ID: <02EBFA89D17A4E208AB3CF13E2C93644@MikeyPC> A compromised antenna will give you a compromised signal!!! Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK -----Original Message----- From: rbethman Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2014 5:51 PM To: AM Radio List Subject: [AMRadio] Antennas I will have to echo Don's excellent summation. Nothing will ever beat a well constructed, and adequately spaced away from the shack and any interfering structures. From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 18:51:16 2014 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 17:51:16 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna issues. In-Reply-To: <001701cf9ad3$13bec4c0$3b3c4e40$@cox.net> References: <00b501cf9a19$a25345e0$e6f9d1a0$@cox.net> <6CD0C65E-3631-439C-8A8B-99DF58E15160@xplornet.ca> <010301cf9a2d$9dc14a90$d943dfb0$@cox.net> <017301cf9a4a$dc777f30$95667d90$@cox.net> <001701cf9ad3$13bec4c0$3b3c4e40$@cox.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Jay Bromley wrote: > Where you using some of your latest receivers you have restored? > Sorry to say Jay but no, I was using a Kenwood receiver. The tube receivers would have performed, but I was lazy and in a hurry and didn't want to fire one up. I have yet to completely go through a ham receiver and align it. I am looking forward to it. Randall Berry wrote: > >How do you affix the pulley to the tree from the ground? You attach the dacron to the fishing line and pull it up over the tree. when you have the dacron all the way up and over you cut it off the spool and tie a pulley on the cut end and loop the dacron through the pulley with enough to go all the way up to the pulley at full height and all the way down. Then you go to the other side of the tree and start pulling the pulley up as high as you want it, and take the free end of the rope and tie it off on the trunk or a branch so it won't let loose. The tree will move around in the wind and after 2 weeks you'll have to re-pull and re-tie the rope. 73 Rob K5UJ From ne1s at securespeed.us Tue Jul 8 19:21:26 2014 From: ne1s at securespeed.us (Larry Szendrei) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2014 19:21:26 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Vailant output In-Reply-To: References: <2ba48.3c5b3a72.40ed6c3c@aol.com> Message-ID: <53BC7CF6.6070802@securespeed.us> On 7/8/2014 2:26 PM, Rob Atkinson wrote: > I don't remember the details but Pat WB9GKZ revealed a few years ago > that the Valiant plate meter shunt would be off and that was the cause > of low output. I may be incorrect on the detail but I remember low > output and meter shunt problem. Something to check. > > That could cause the real RF output power to be low (or high), but it shouldn't be band-dependent. IIRC the gentleman having the problem said all was well on 40M. 73, -Larry/NE1S From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 20:26:13 2014 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 19:26:13 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Vailant output In-Reply-To: <53BC7CF6.6070802@securespeed.us> References: <2ba48.3c5b3a72.40ed6c3c@aol.com> <53BC7CF6.6070802@securespeed.us> Message-ID: A lot of rigs don't work exactly the same on all bands. he needs to make sure the plate current meter is working correctly. On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Larry Szendrei wrote: > On 7/8/2014 2:26 PM, Rob Atkinson wrote: >> >> I don't remember the details but Pat WB9GKZ revealed a few years ago >> that the Valiant plate meter shunt would be off and that was the cause >> of low output. I may be incorrect on the detail but I remember low >> output and meter shunt problem. Something to check. >> >> > That could cause the real RF output power to be low (or high), but it > shouldn't be band-dependent. IIRC the gentleman having the problem said all > was well on 40M. > > 73, > -Larry/NE1S > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From amradio at mailman.qth.net Tue Jul 8 21:55:31 2014 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (kb1hys via AMRadio) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 21:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AMRadio] Antennas In-Reply-To: <02EBFA89D17A4E208AB3CF13E2C93644@MikeyPC> References: <02EBFA89D17A4E208AB3CF13E2C93644@MikeyPC> Message-ID: <8D1692FFFBD92C1-169C-1650E@webmail-m225.sysops.aol.com> Reality though.? The best antenna is the one you can put up.?? A lot of use, even with out HOA's and angry neighbors live in small city lots, getting that 3 element 40 meter yagi a half wave high is a might unreasonable. If I can get a random wire up in a few trees, maybe a dipole on the ridgeline of the roof, well, that's a compromise, the compromise being I use a crappy antenna, or never get on the air. Certainly build the best quality, real type antenna you can. but all antenna installations are compromises.? You just have to find a compromise you can live with. 73 es Good Luck Ed/KB1HYS -----Original Message----- From: w3slk <w3slk at verizon.net> To: AM Radio List <amradio at mailman.qth.net> Sent: Tue, Jul 8, 2014 6:05 pm Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Antennas A compromised antenna will give you a compromised signal!!! Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK -----Original Message----- From: rbethman Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2014 5:51 PM To: AM Radio List Subject: [AMRadio] Antennas I will have to echo Don's excellent summation. Nothing will ever beat a well constructed, and adequately spaced away from the shack and any interfering structures. ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From w2xj at w2xj.net Tue Jul 8 22:18:00 2014 From: w2xj at w2xj.net (W2XJ) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 22:18:00 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] R-390A Help In-Reply-To: <53BC2A59.8010200@comcast.net> References: <1404834701.27260.YahooMailNeo@web125306.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <53BC2A59.8010200@comcast.net> Message-ID: <9A45B8D7-9E0F-42BB-AF3D-7E36F8A2AC3F@w2xj.net> I agree that a resistor is an adequate replacement for the 3TF7 but they didn't go to all that effort for nothing. This probably is a way to mange oscillator noise since they put the VFO and BFO filaments in series and added filtering and an expensive short lived ballast tube. I am not sure what that buys for typical day to day use but it was done for a reason. In the spirit of keeping the unit as original as possible, I would solid state it. Others have suggested taking the two oscillator tube filaments from a series to parallel configuration and just feed 6.3 volts like all the other tubes. Sent from my iPad > On Jul 8, 2014, at 1:28 PM, rbethman wrote: > > I'd add that there is NO reason to buy a 3TF7 ballast tube. > > A simple and inexpensive 49 - 50 ohm 10W resistor across the two pins the 3TF7 uses is all it takes! > > Ran a '67 EAC that way for about 6 years. Not a single problem. I do happen to have a 3TF7, but I'm going to just hang on to it. I also have a handful of the 26Z5Ws. I worry less about solid stating them than I would worry about that selenium rectifier. > > When the selenium rectifier goes, you definitely do NOT want to get a nose full! It is a nasty gas that they let go of! Not good for the human body. > > The two can caps can be gotten from Tom N0JMY at hayseed hamfest. They make them from the ground up all new. > > Re-stuffing them is a pain that only gives you the "satisfaction" of making it "appear" to be original. Not worth the work and effort. > > Make sure all the capacitors are up to snuff! Usually better to re-cap if it isn't an EAC. > > Almost all the rest are too old and have the Brown Beauties, referred to as BBOD, (Brown Beauties of Death). > > Make darn sure that the DC blocking cap on the filters is rated for 1 or more KV. You don't want to be blowing filters! > > Filters are getting as rare as hen's teeth! > > Bob - N0DGN > > > >> On 7/8/2014 12:43 PM, W2xj wrote: >> You should really download an on line version as some have more detail and background information. >> >> I should note that every single tube in that radio can still be bought as old stock never used online. >> >> These guys have everything but the ballast tube which can be had from fair radio >> >> http://www.vacuumtubes.net/prices.htm >> >> Rectifiers are $20 each and the ballast is $60 while the other tubes are between $3&$7. That is a good reason to go solid state on those three expensive tubes. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 8, 2014, at 11:51 AM, Bill Guyger via AMRadio wrote: >>> >>> Thanks to all that replied, now to go diggin'! Just wanted to see if any of you had any hot sports opinions before I go hunting. Shouldn't be a real chore once I get time, a manual was included along with the radio. >>> >>> Tnx 73 Bill AD5OL > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Wed Jul 9 07:04:17 2014 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 06:04:17 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] R-390A Help In-Reply-To: <1404845358.78840.YahooMailNeo@web125304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1404834701.27260.YahooMailNeo@web125306.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <8D168EDB52E4C47-18A4-13BCA@webmail-va008.sysops.aol.com> <1404845358.78840.YahooMailNeo@web125304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Anytime I get any piece of equipment in here and it has a selenium rectifier, I yank it out, toss it in the trash and replace it with silicon and a dropping resistor. Rob K5UJ From cw_de_n5op at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 9 08:13:38 2014 From: cw_de_n5op at sbcglobal.net (Kim Elmore) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 07:13:38 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Antennas In-Reply-To: <8D1692FFFBD92C1-169C-1650E@webmail-m225.sysops.aol.com> References: <02EBFA89D17A4E208AB3CF13E2C93644@MikeyPC> <8D1692FFFBD92C1-169C-1650E@webmail-m225.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: A good friend once put it best: big antennas up high work better than little antennas down low. "People that make music together cannot be enemies, at least as long as the music lasts." -- Paul Hindemith From rbethman at comcast.net Wed Jul 9 08:56:04 2014 From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2014 08:56:04 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Antennas In-Reply-To: References: <02EBFA89D17A4E208AB3CF13E2C93644@MikeyPC> <8D1692FFFBD92C1-169C-1650E@webmail-m225.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <53BD3BE4.20603@comcast.net> I find it interesting. I *never* said *little* antenna. I simply pointed out that in a smaller lot, you can bend the ends a bit, or even change direction in the same plane. It seems that those that are making what could be considered comments to the contrary, *must* be the few that have unlimited space. The majority of antennas I see up in neighborhoods with normal size lots are indeed a *compromise*! This is apparently "blasphemy". Yet, they do work, and if done in a reasonable manner, work pretty darn good. Time will come when those of you with all this space, will eventually end up with less space than you have now. When that time comes, let us know how it goes for you! I don't have the trees for height. Neither is there room to put up a 50ft tower, as the city code states that I *must* guarantee that "should it fall down" it must fall within *MY* property boundaries. Toss your commentary, and I'll continue to make my contacts all over! The ends of the Inverted Vees do indeed hang straight down the last few feet. I've already gone head to head with Zoning. They don't seem to understand that I have NOT moved the house! However, they were going to make me post a bond, request a waiver from the city, as THEY informed me that *I* lived in an "illegal domicile"! This didn't come up until I submitted plans to construct a deck. The deck wasn't the issue! The "too long employed" head of the department finally looked at the survey. The very same one that had been surveyed when the house was built, again when the wife and I bought it, and again when we refinanced it it. Lo and behold, one corner of the foundation is indeed one tenth of a foot TOO CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE! I laughed at her! She insisted that I wasn't taking it seriously. I informed her that I indeed was taking it seriously! I was going to get an attorney, and sue the city for fraudulently collecting property taxes, and was also gong to sue for the interest of said taxes ALSO! Suddenly her entire tone changed! She made a "command" decision, (That being one when you are caught in the triple barrel concertina and the sentry has you in his sights and releases the guard dog.) She then stated that *I* needed to write a letter "stating that I didn't get up one morning and decide to lift that corner of the house just because I had too much coffee and pulled it up from 8 feet down and moved it". So Y'all make you unfriendly commentary, and consider that it may be YOUR time that comes to pass when that "compromise" antenna is YOURS! Bob - N0DGN On 7/9/2014 8:13 AM, Kim Elmore wrote: > A good friend once put it best: big antennas up high work better than little antennas down low. > > "People that make music together cannot be enemies, at least as long as the music lasts." -- Paul Hindemith From rbethman at comcast.net Wed Jul 9 09:12:59 2014 From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2014 09:12:59 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna Compromises Message-ID: <53BD3FDB.6070309@comcast.net> Consider that ONE big antenna that you have. Change bands, re-tune your antenna tuner. Put an RF Ammeter on the input, also put one on the output. You've made a compromise! The two WILL show different readings! This is really different that letting the ends of an antenna hang vertically? At least that antenna with a small portion hanging vertically, *IS* resonant WITHOUT a tuner. I've said my piece! Bob - N0DGN From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Wed Jul 9 09:44:26 2014 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 08:44:26 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Antennas In-Reply-To: <53BD3BE4.20603@comcast.net> References: <02EBFA89D17A4E208AB3CF13E2C93644@MikeyPC> <8D1692FFFBD92C1-169C-1650E@webmail-m225.sysops.aol.com> <53BD3BE4.20603@comcast.net> Message-ID: I think the response was to SLK Mikey not you Bob. I think Mikey meant compromise in the sense of compromising antenna for aesthetics. I think most hams believe their antennas are a beautiful work of physics and engineering. Sure, few can go all out but most do as best we can. There are smart ways to compromise and not so smart. Smart--bending the wires or letting the ends hang down. Not so smart--loading coils, and traps. 73 Rob K5UJ From w5jo at brightok.net Wed Jul 9 10:06:09 2014 From: w5jo at brightok.net (Jim Wilhite) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 09:06:09 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Antennas In-Reply-To: References: <02EBFA89D17A4E208AB3CF13E2C93644@MikeyPC><8D1692FFFBD92C1-169C-1650E@webmail-m225.sysops.aol.com><53BD3BE4.20603@comcast.net> Message-ID: <96A0D393F9D84E5C8138EC67B45C93BD@JimPC> I think everything is ok on this. Jim W5JO Moderator -----Original Message----- I think the response was to SLK Mikey not you Bob. I think Mikey meant compromise in the sense of compromising antenna for aesthetics. I think most hams believe their antennas are a beautiful work of physics and engineering. Sure, few can go all out but most do as best we can. There are smart ways to compromise and not so smart. Smart--bending the wires or letting the ends hang down. Not so smart--loading coils, and traps. From cw_de_n5op at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 9 10:59:00 2014 From: cw_de_n5op at sbcglobal.net (Kimberly Elmore) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 07:59:00 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] Antennas In-Reply-To: <96A0D393F9D84E5C8138EC67B45C93BD@JimPC> References: <02EBFA89D17A4E208AB3CF13E2C93644@MikeyPC><8D1692FFFBD92C1-169C-1650E@webmail-m225.sysops.aol.com><53BD3BE4.20603@comcast.net> <96A0D393F9D84E5C8138EC67B45C93BD@JimPC> Message-ID: <1404917940.99633.YahooMailNeo@web184901.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I certainly wasn't pointing fingers at anyone nor was I denigrating non-ideal antennas. Few of us can afford to put up super station antennas; I certainly can't. It is however, fundamentally true. Physically small antennas up high suffer losses while full-sized antennas do not. Full sized antennas down low won't do as well as full sized antennas up high. Performance suffers even more if physically small antennas are down low. There is no magic bullet here: the physics is implacable. Anything else is a compromise, though some are better than others.? But, I think some interesting points have been raised. When we crow about how well a compromise antenna works (flag poles, rain gutters, interior antennas, magnetic loops, heavily loaded antennas, stealth random magnet wires) there is some possibility that we give the anti-antenna factions ammunition against our interests. Yet, for those of us that can't put up towers, full sized antennas ?or any "visible" antennas, it's essential knowledge to have.? Many years ago, I was involved in a serious antenna battle in Boulder county, CO. A friend on some land wanted to put up a 125' tower. To do this, he needed a zoning variance as the limit was otherwise 35'. Neighbors didn't like it and wanted him to put up nothing. ? Those opposed to antennas initially argued that antennas reduced property values. Yet, a matched-pairs analysis showed no difference between home selling prices (normalized to dollars/sq ft) for homes near significant amateur radio antenna installations (towers between 70' and 125') and those that had no line of sight to any such antennas. If I recall, the p value of the difference (using a t-test) was nowhere close to anything significant. That argument failed in the face of the evidence to the contrary. All of the following arguments against antennas centered on aesthetics and the antennas affect on the "view." On this they proved substantially successful. If I recall, my friend was privately offered a compromise of 70' but was counseled by his attorney to decline. In retrospect, he feels he probably should have accepted that offer. But, his counsel said to stand firm on the 125', he lost the bid for a variance and was allowed only 35', though that 35' could consist of anything including, if I recall, more than one 35' antenna. He ultimately took the case to Federal District court, which upheld the Boulder county commissioner's decision, stating that they had met the requirements of PRB-1.?So, he put a TH6DX on a 35' tower. Believe you me, it looked pretty big and truly would have looked much less intrusive had it been higher.?He then proceeded to plant some fast growing trees that would get well over 50' tall on his east property line such that the most problematic neighbor would lose his backyard view to the west (which was the major complaint) in a few years. The trees indeed grew taller 35' completely blocking the neighbor's entire view of both my friend's antennas AND the mountains to the west.? Curiously, no variance was needed for the trees. He has since moved to a different county on more land with no restrictions and is much happier. Fortunately, he had that option. I completely understand that not everyone does. HOAs and CC&Rs are a major problem but come under the general rubric of private contracts, so the government will be loathe to step into those. Zoning boards and city counsels are about the only place the government can affect things, and PRB-1 is pretty vague with the phrase "reasonable accommodation." One ham's "reasonable" is another's "onerous" or even "prohibitive." ? So, yes indeed: I understand the problems. Fighting stuff like this head-on is hideously expensive on an individual basis and takes years. It's better if any problems can be worked out on friendly terms without adversarial approaches but that's not always possible. I truly understand the need for compromise antennas -- I've used them myself. My point, however, remains valid. Let's state it as a theorem:? Theorem: Big antennas up high will work better than small antennas down low. ? ? Corollary 1: Big antennas up high work better than big antennas down low. ? ? Corollary 2: Small antennas up high will work better than small antennas down low. Kim N5OP On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 9:06 AM, Jim Wilhite wrote: I think everything is ok on this.? Jim W5JO Moderator -----Original Message----- I think the response was to SLK Mikey not you Bob.? I think Mikey meant compromise in the sense of compromising antenna for aesthetics. I think most hams believe their antennas are a beautiful work of physics and engineering.? Sure, few can go all out but most do as best we can.? There are smart ways to compromise and not so smart. Smart--bending the wires or letting the ends hang down.? Not so smart--loading coils, and traps. ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From knjhanlon at msn.com Wed Jul 9 12:59:03 2014 From: knjhanlon at msn.com (JAMES HANLON) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 10:59:03 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Valiant output Message-ID: I can verify from personal experience with my own Valiant that the shunt for plate current may well be too high in resistance and cause the meter to read a current that is higher than that which is actually flowing. The original meter shunt is made from "resistance wire" which does not take solder very well, and in my rig the solder joints had deteriorated. As I recall - it was quite a few years ago - I tried unsuccessfully to resolder the shunt and finally made a replacement shunt out of copper wire. It's easy enough to diagnose the problem, if any. Just put a reliable meter in series with the B+ lead to the final plate and compare its reading to the Valiant meter. Do be careful of the high voltage, however. Jim Hanlon, W8KGI From nbcblue at hotmail.com Wed Jul 9 14:46:03 2014 From: nbcblue at hotmail.com (W. Harris) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 18:46:03 +0000 Subject: [AMRadio] Antennas In-Reply-To: <1404917940.99633.YahooMailNeo@web184901.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <02EBFA89D17A4E208AB3CF13E2C93644@MikeyPC><8D1692FFFBD92C1-169C-1650E@webmail-m225.sysops.aol.com><53BD3BE4.20603@comcast.net> , <96A0D393F9D84E5C8138EC67B45C93BD@JimPC>, <1404917940.99633.YahooMailNeo@web184901.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: So just what is a "compromise" antenna? Is a 5 element 20 meter beam at 50' a compromise to the same beam at 125'? Bill - K5MIL Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From nbcblue at hotmail.com Wed Jul 9 14:48:00 2014 From: nbcblue at hotmail.com (W. Harris) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 18:48:00 +0000 Subject: [AMRadio] Valiant output In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have had good luck soldering resistance wire using silver solder. Bill - K5MIL > From: knjhanlon at msn.com > To: amradio at mailman.qth.net > Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 10:59:03 -0600 > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Valiant output > > I can verify from personal experience with my own Valiant that the shunt for plate current may well be too high in resistance and cause the meter to read a current that is higher than that which is actually flowing. The original meter shunt is made from "resistance wire" which does not take solder very well, and in my rig the solder joints had deteriorated. As I recall - it was quite a few years ago - I tried unsuccessfully to resolder the shunt and finally made a replacement shunt out of copper wire. It's easy enough to diagnose the problem, if any. Just put a reliable meter in series with the B+ lead to the final plate and compare its reading to the Valiant meter. Do be careful of the high voltage, however. > > Jim Hanlon, W8KGI From k4kyv at charter.net Wed Jul 9 15:14:15 2014 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 14:14:15 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna Compromises Message-ID: <000701cf9ba9$f9677900$ec366b00$@charter.net> -----Original Message----- >>>>>From: rbethman I've already gone head to head with Zoning. They don't seem to understand that I have NOT moved the house! However, they were going to make me post a bond, request a waiver from the city, as THEY informed me that *I* lived in an "illegal domicile"! The "too long employed" head of the department finally looked at the survey. The very same one that had been surveyed when the house was built, again when the wife and I bought it, and again when we refinanced it. Lo and behold, one corner of the foundation is indeed one tenth of a foot TOO CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE! I laughed at her! She insisted that I wasn't taking it seriously. >>>>> One tenth of a foot, that's 1.2 inches! That WOULD BE hard to take seriously. I'd probably laugh too. Just take a masonry cutter and shave off 1.2 inches of that corner down to grade, so that it is bevelled or rounded off a little. You could probably do it with a Dremel tool. Then have them come out and measure it again. >>>>>Time will come when those of you with all this space, will eventually end up with less space than you have now.>>>>> I doubt it. Maybe if I end up in a nursing home or one of those "assisted living" places someday, but by then it probably wouldn't matter, since I doubt if I'd be able to set up a ham station there anyway, and probably wouldn't even want to. >>>>>Sure, few can go all out but most do as best we can. There are smart ways to compromise and not so smart. Smart--bending the wires or letting the ends hang down. Not so smart--loading coils, and traps. Rob K5UJ>>>> >>>>>Physically small antennas up high suffer losses while full-sized antennas do not. Full sized antennas down low won't do as well as full sized antennas up high. Performance suffers even more if physically small antennas are down low. There is no magic bullet here: the physics is implacable. Anything else is a compromise, though some are better than others.? But, I think some interesting points have been raised. When we crow about how well a compromise antenna works (flag poles, rain gutters, interior antennas, magnetic loops, heavily loaded antennas, stealth random magnet wires) there is some possibility that we give the anti-antenna factions ammunition against our interests. Kim N5OP >>>>> Exactly right. Furthermore, even a well-working compromise antenna at one location may not be so great at another. Let's take the example of Rob's inverted L with ground radials in his small city lot. It puts an excellent signal here on 160, and he is usually outstandingly strong on 75 on whatever antenna he fits onto the same lot for that band. At the opposite extreme is Philip, KA4KOE near Savannah . He also uses an inverted L and as he has described it, with a pretty fair ground radial system, but the best he has ever managed to do at my QTH is just barely make it above the background noise on 75 or 160, try as he might. But I want to reiterate that we may very well be working against our own interests when we tout such things as loaded-up rain gutters and attic dipoles as "acceptable" or anything more than a SERIOUS compromise... Life in Alcatraz was a serious compromise, but most of those inmates preferred that to the death penalty. When one lives on a postage-stamp lot, one must accept that one has no choice but for a compromise antenna if one plans to work 160, 80 and often even 40m. But after looking over some of the amateur radio forums like QRZ.com and e-Ham, articles in magazines like QST and CQ, as well as listening to QSOs over the air, what I find quite disturbing is the attitude that increasingly appears to permeate the amateur radio community: that antennas should be "stealth" BY DEFAULT, even in the absence of HOAs, deed restrictions or zoning ordinances that might prevent one from putting up, out in the clear, whatever no-compromise antenna one might wish for or be able to afford. I believe the constant acclaim of stealth antennas and how well their owners BELIEVE they are working, not only gives the anti-antenna factions ammunition, but has directly led to this stealth-by-default mentality becoming so widely accepted throughout the amateur community. Don k4kyv --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com From kt4ae at bellsouth.net Wed Jul 9 15:35:02 2014 From: kt4ae at bellsouth.net (Harry Vaught, KT4AE) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2014 15:35:02 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Antennas In-Reply-To: References: <02EBFA89D17A4E208AB3CF13E2C93644@MikeyPC><8D1692FFFBD92C1-169C-1650E@webmail-m225.sysops.aol.com><53BD3BE4.20603@comcast.net> , <96A0D393F9D84E5C8138EC67B45C93BD@JimPC>, <1404917940.99633.YahooMailNeo@web184901.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <53BD9966.9020703@bellsouth.net> Not to keep this going but back in the last century my mother took me to meet an old friend of hers from the Atlanta & West Point Railroad (RIP). John Fowler, W4ELO was living in a ground floor unit in Baptist Towers in Atlanta. Luckily for him, one of the board members was also an old A&WP alumnus. He was allowed to put a 20 meter dipole on the roof and drop coax down to his room. He had a small, old Ten-Tec transceiver and a bug. He only operated 20M CW. He was still sharp in his eighties but went SK not long after. Harry, KT4AE Watkinsville, Georgia From w5jo at brightok.net Wed Jul 9 15:50:29 2014 From: w5jo at brightok.net (Jim Wilhite) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 14:50:29 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Valiant output In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0EF2117477604F04876FB61DA2E5F584@JimPC> That is the best approach to the problem. I have had several Valiants and all suffered this problem. You cannot, except under certain circumstances, solder Nichrome wire. The construction book says to crimp it to make a solid mechanical connection then flow solder over it to hold it in place. Over the years that solder will crystalize due to heat and can completely fall off. Getting the heat right on that connection is a bit of a challenge so what I do is order 1% wire wound resistors (1 or 2 watt) to replace that wire. Those resistors are available at Mouser, Digi-Key and Allied I know. By replacing them the long term problem should disappear in our lifetime. Jim W5JO -----Original Message----- From: W. Harris Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 1:48 PM To: AMradio Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Valiant output I have had good luck soldering resistance wire using silver solder. Bill - K5MIL From w5jo at brightok.net Wed Jul 9 16:02:36 2014 From: w5jo at brightok.net (Jim Wilhite) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 15:02:36 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Antennas In-Reply-To: References: <02EBFA89D17A4E208AB3CF13E2C93644@MikeyPC><8D1692FFFBD92C1-169C-1650E@webmail-m225.sysops.aol.com><53BD3BE4.20603@comcast.net>, <96A0D393F9D84E5C8138EC67B45C93BD@JimPC>, <1404917940.99633.YahooMailNeo@web184901.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2E57A0FC6F2A459384D568EDF8069976@JimPC> As this topic progresses, it is easy for any of us to take some offense. I read every post that comes through to be sure that (in my poor judgment) none do not single any person out for critical review. Remember when you post something, that might be controversial, re-read your words before you send. Apply the logic, would this offend me, to the wording and if you have a question, wait a while then re-read it. Over the years here I have noted that everyone on this list is very compatible with the hobby and each other. Just remember you recollections might stimulate other recollections in other people who use your words to make a point. This does not mean anyone's problems are bad or wrong, just different. Thanks guys, this is a good topic and posting how you fixed the small lot or restrictions case might give someone an idea. I encourage you to post your solutions. Jim W5JO Moderator From rbethman at comcast.net Wed Jul 9 18:15:48 2014 From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2014 18:15:48 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna Compromises In-Reply-To: <000701cf9ba9$f9677900$ec366b00$@charter.net> References: <000701cf9ba9$f9677900$ec366b00$@charter.net> Message-ID: <53BDBF14.7010101@comcast.net> ********************************** BIG SNIP ******************************* Kim and Don are in agreement with my premise. If a percentage of the Amateur community keeps this "Stealth" antenna philosophy going, the rest of us will get shot in the foot! I've resorted to one time, and one time only, loading a bed-spring while visiting my Sister-in-law for a Holiday. Other than that, I have never used anything but a fully resonant antenna, and up as high as I am able to get it up. Trying to "hide" it means that it isn't going to do anything useful. I haven't had the pleasure of hooking up with Don or Kim, but hope I indeed do so. I don't have problems with any neighbors, and they can plainly see the antenna farm without any difficulty. Those across the street from me most likely do not. I also agree that a compromise antenna does not always perform at all locations. I've even had full size dipoles not work at another location, even when up at least about 35ft. It didn't make sense. One issue may be the starting height above sea level. It can be a signal killer when you have to try and get a signal over mountain ridges, without regard for great propagation. Don, I wish I had had the grinder to take that stupid 1.2" off the foundation! Problem is that I'd been better off putting up the bond and requesting the waiver! That's about seven feet of steel reinforced concrete all above ground level. Perhaps a 20lb sledgehammer would have done it. *********************************** SNIP ************************************* Exactly right. Furthermore, even a well-working compromise antenna at one location may not be so great at another. Let's take the example of Rob's inverted L with ground radials in his small city lot. It puts an excellent signal here on 160, and he is usually outstandingly strong on 75 on whatever antenna he fits onto the same lot for that band. At the opposite extreme is Philip, KA4KOE near Savannah . He also uses an inverted L and as he has described it, with a pretty fair ground radial system, but the best he has ever managed to do at my QTH is just barely make it above the background noise on 75 or 160, try as he might. But I want to reiterate that we may very well be working against our own interests when we tout such things as loaded-up rain gutters and attic dipoles as "acceptable" or anything more than a SERIOUS compromise... Life in Alcatraz was a serious compromise, but most of those inmates preferred that to the death penalty. This statement directly below, will come to pass with dire consequences for the broader Amateur community. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I believe the constant acclaim of stealth antennas and how well their owners BELIEVE they are working, not only gives the anti-antenna factions ammunition, but has directly led to this stealth-by-default mentality becoming so widely accepted throughout the amateur community. Don k4kyv ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My idea as far as a compromise antenna is a tad bit hanging straight down vertically, or perhaps bent from the intended plane of the antenna. It sure is not to cobble some junk and try to hide it, and be better off with a "cantenna"! Bob - N0DGN From ne1s at securespeed.us Wed Jul 9 18:18:38 2014 From: ne1s at securespeed.us (Larry Szendrei) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2014 18:18:38 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Valiant output In-Reply-To: <0EF2117477604F04876FB61DA2E5F584@JimPC> References: <0EF2117477604F04876FB61DA2E5F584@JimPC> Message-ID: <53BDBFBE.4010802@securespeed.us> On 7/9/2014 3:50 PM, Jim Wilhite wrote: > You cannot, except under certain circumstances, solder Nichrome wire. The "special circumstances" must be the use of a liquid acid flux, silver-bearing solder, and adequate heat. I've made several nichrome parasitic suppressors using the liquid flux (nasty stuff!) and silver solder that Rich Measures includes in his kits - or did, anyway. It's been 17 years since I bought one. Anyway, the solder will stick to the nichrome if done this way. Of course the joint needs to be rinsed thoroughly when completed, more easily done with a parasitic suppressor than a terminal strip under the chassis of a Valiant. You could probably wipe it off with wet cotton swabs and be OK. > The construction book says to crimp it to make a solid mechanical > connection then flow solder over it to hold it in place. Over the > years that solder will crystalize due to heat and can completely fall > off. Doesn't sound like a connection I'd trust either. 73, -Larry/NE1S From amradio at mailman.qth.net Wed Jul 9 18:34:37 2014 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (Mel Farrer via AMRadio) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 15:34:37 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] Valiant output In-Reply-To: <53BDBFBE.4010802@securespeed.us> References: <0EF2117477604F04876FB61DA2E5F584@JimPC> <53BDBFBE.4010802@securespeed.us> Message-ID: <1404945277.4960.YahooMailNeo@web163504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I think the nasty stuff was a acid base flux.? SO, if you use it in a confined space use a cotton swab soaked in baking soda like my grandfather taught me years ago.? Then with just water.? The soda neutralizes the acid and the water wipe cleans up the mess. Mel, K6KBE On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 3:18 PM, Larry Szendrei wrote: On 7/9/2014 3:50 PM, Jim Wilhite wrote: >? You cannot, except under certain circumstances, solder Nichrome wire. The "special circumstances" must be the use of a liquid acid flux, silver-bearing solder, and adequate heat. I've made several nichrome parasitic suppressors using the liquid flux (nasty stuff!) and silver solder that Rich Measures includes in his kits - or did, anyway. It's been 17 years since I bought one. Anyway, the solder will stick to the nichrome if done this way. Of course the joint needs to be rinsed thoroughly when completed, more easily done with a parasitic suppressor than a terminal strip under the chassis of a Valiant. You could probably wipe it off with wet cotton swabs and be OK. > The construction book says to crimp it to make a solid mechanical > connection then flow solder over it to hold it in place. Over the > years that solder will crystalize due to heat and can completely fall > off. Doesn't sound like a connection I'd trust either. 73, -Larry/NE1S ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From w5jo at brightok.net Wed Jul 9 20:21:53 2014 From: w5jo at brightok.net (Jim Wilhite) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 19:21:53 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Valiant output In-Reply-To: <1404945277.4960.YahooMailNeo@web163504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <0EF2117477604F04876FB61DA2E5F584@JimPC> <53BDBFBE.4010802@securespeed.us> <1404945277.4960.YahooMailNeo@web163504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I received this message from a member who sent it to me directly. It is good information so I am pasting it to this message for all to read. Jim W5JO Hi Jim, I recently rebuilt my old SB-220 amplifier. One of the things I did was to replace the old coil-wrapped-around-a-resistor parasitic suppressors with a kit I ordered from Rich Measures, AG6K. Rich supplies Nichrome wire for winding new suppressors. He provides a small bottle of liquid (corrosive) flux and some special tin/silver solder. You polish the nichrome wire with some 0000 steel wool, tin the tip of your iron with a little of the solder and heat up the junction between the copper resistor leads and the nichrome coil leads, add one drop of the flux, and the solder immediately flows into the joint! It's almost like magic! I don't know the chemical composition of the flux, but you could probably get the info from Rich. This soldering process does NOT require a high temperature iron. I use a 700 degree tip in my Weller WTCPT and it works beautifully. 73, Mike, WB0LDJ From amradio at mailman.qth.net Wed Jul 9 20:38:57 2014 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (wb2ahk via AMRadio) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 20:38:57 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] VALIANT SHUNTS Message-ID: <66ca5.64ceacdf.40ef3aa1@aol.com> Hi fellows, Regarding Valiant Shunts, Heres the easy way to get her done. {1} acquire some nichrome wire {2} Go to Radio shack or your junk box and find some small plastic terminal connectors blocks, the ones where you place the wire inside and tighten the screw to make connections. {3} Cut off from the plastic terminal block a set of two poles. {4} on both poles of the connectors place two stiff copper wires about 1" long and screw them down tight {5} place a suitable U shaped hunk of Nichrome wire into both terminals of the other side of the terminal block. {6} solder the two stiff copper wires into the Valiants connection point for the shunt. {7} Using a current meter inserted at a appropriate spot, cut and prune the Nichrome wire till the current becomes correct on the Valiants meter. BINGO, DONE NO SOLDERING NEEDED TO THE NICHROME WIRE. Chet brown WB2AHK From amradio at mailman.qth.net Wed Jul 9 20:40:35 2014 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (wb2ahk via AMRadio) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 20:40:35 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Fwd: VALIANT SHUNTS Message-ID: <66d39.6af0faa7.40ef3b03@aol.com> From lafrieda at earthlink.net Wed Jul 9 21:54:14 2014 From: lafrieda at earthlink.net (James R. La Frieda) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2014 18:54:14 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna Issues Message-ID: <53BDF246.2060904@earthlink.net> No question about it, I truly enjoyed having a Triex W-55 tower with a 4 element Yagi for 32 years which enabled me to QSO with over 300 countries, but when it came to retire, I decided to get the hell out of California with its grid locked freeways, with its smog and polluted water, and high state income taxes, and relocate to an area that had no fwy gridlock, clean air, clean water, and no state income taxes. Had a big decision to make . Namely, do I purchase a home on 2.5 to 5 acres where I could put up a 70 ft tower and a 4 el Yagi and then be faced with septic tanks, along with a private well that had to be checked periodically to make sure that its water was not contaminated, along with using expensive propane, vs. purchasing a home with CC&R's on over an acre - that did not disallow antennas - as long as they couldn't be seen - that had natural gas, county water and sewers. In sum, it didn't take too long to decide that my XYL and I would prefer county water vs. a private well; that we would prefer natural gas vs. using expensive propane and that we would prefer having waste delivered to a sewer vs. having to worry about cleaning a septic tank every few years , and that the septic tank did not leach into the source of water ! In sum, there are other things that are more important to one's XYL - than ham radio - and when it comes to my XYL, she has always come _first_ before ham radio ! Bottomline: am now using a 3 ft- diameter Hi Q Magnetic Loop Antenna that is 3 ft off the ground, and it works like gangbusters on 20, 15, 12 and 10 meters, in that I can easily connect with others on the East Coast, in Europe ,in Japan, and in Australia and New Zealand. Sure, it's not a 4 element Yagi at 55 or 70 ft, but the fact of the matter is that a 3 ft diameter Hi Q Magnetic Loop with a loop circumference of 1.25" is a very effective HF antenna ( as you can verify at : http://www.66pacific.com/calculators/small_tx_loop_calc.aspx. ) with a radiation efficiency of: * 71 % on 20 meters ( 14 MHz) * 91 % on 15 meters ( 21 MHz) * 97 % on 10 meters ( 29 MHz) In sum, Hi Q Magnetic Antennas that have been designed by Rich, K8NDS, which are helically wound with copper foil ,that increases the inductance and hence the radiation resistance,and hence radiation efficiency vs. a solid copper or aluminum conductor have even higher radiation efficiency ! What was K8NDS's response to this thread re: Antenna Issues -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [AMRadio] Antenna Issues Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 16:40:29 -0700 From: Richard Fusinski Reply-To: Richard Fusinski To: James R. La Frieda What limitations ? Is it that you can't have the biggest signal on the air; who cares as long as you can work them all. I hate to burst your bubble guys, but I do just as well as any other station with my small helical loaded loops at less than 10 foot off the ground. I work ALL the DX that I hear with with my helical loops. I can hear stuff that others in the area cannot even hear due to the low noise reception.I listen for hours and I hear the same stations that everyone else with their large arrays hear, I work them with similar reports from the same DX stations. No tower, no concrete, no permits, no neighbor issues, no wind damage issues, no climbing, no lightening issues (because they are so low compared to other objects). I have worked thousands of DX contacts with S-7 to S-9 ++ reports, I rag chew with DX stations all the time, all this on SSB, what more can one ask for it is a hobby! Oh Yes, I forgot , the XYL loves the antennas too. *:) happy Rich K8NDS ==================================================================================================================== Highly recommend that you look at the QRZ.com website of Rich, K8NDS, and also the website of the Yahoo Group on Helical Wound Magnetic Loop Antennas that now has 334 members, and which is increasing in membership as more and more hams become aware of very effective HF antennas that have a very small footprint, and which are great to use when one has CC&R's that prohibit one from having a 55 ft tower with a 4 element Yagi. i.e. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Helically_Loaded_Mag_Loop/photos/photostream Below is an e-mail - last week-from a ham, where a Hi Q Magnetic Loop Antenna was used on Field Day: Thank you, Rich. I hope to start experimenting sometime later this week. I'll post more results afterwards. By the way - during field day with my club, one of the hams came with his mag loop antenna he made. It was a crude layout but did it ever work.....!!!!!!!!! He made over 100 contacts on 15m. Even worked Russia, France, and South America with 50w on PSK31. His loop was 3 ft diameter. 2 ft off ground held up by 1 in PVC pipe stuck in a 5 gal bucket of sand. He used a air capacitor and a Grama match. Got 1:1 on 28.120. Everyone at my club knew I was working on my loop but couldn't get it working in time. His loop made believers out of our members. I gave several members this Yahoo group to check out. As you know, lots of hams don't know about how good a performance you can get from loops, especially your helical design : 73, Jim (N6MV) From mark.k3msb at gmail.com Wed Jul 9 22:48:02 2014 From: mark.k3msb at gmail.com (Mark K3MSB) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 22:48:02 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna Issues In-Reply-To: <33d67008.43a14.14714301830.Webtop.43@charter.net> References: <33d67008.43a14.14714301830.Webtop.43@charter.net> Message-ID: Remember what Martin Niemoller said? Mark K3MSB On Jul 8, 2014 12:16 AM, "Donald Chester" wrote: Those of us who do make an issue of these things and proclaim our displeasure are derided From amradio at mailman.qth.net Thu Jul 10 08:21:41 2014 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (wb2ahk via AMRadio) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 08:21:41 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Fwd: VALIANT SHUNTS Message-ID: <6e4c4.8c7268.40efdf55@aol.com> From jayw5jay at cox.net Fri Jul 11 14:08:44 2014 From: jayw5jay at cox.net (Jay Bromley) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 13:08:44 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] FW: For Sale: Johnson Transmitters In-Reply-To: <53C024F0.60503@cox.net> References: <53C02415.8020406@cox.net> <001801cf9d30$fcc00f30$f6402d90$@cox.net> <53C024F0.60503@cox.net> Message-ID: <002b01cf9d33$27b044b0$7710ce10$@cox.net> Forwarded from Jon, W5WVI. Contact him directly.... I am forwarding this off an email I got from Jim Bromley. I thought it might help out some looking for that sort of gear. So contact Jon, not me or Jim. Thanks 73 de w5jay/jay.. I am reducing my operating collection of E.F. Johnson AM transmitters. If anyone is interested please call me or email.. Available: Ranger II, Valiant, Johnson 500, SSB adapter, and a Desk KW.. All are operating and in very good to excellent shape.. Again please call me or email to come see them if you are interested. Thanks... Jon...W5WVI.. phone... (480)-830-1639 email... jdelaune at centurylink.net From jayw5jay at cox.net Fri Jul 11 14:23:00 2014 From: jayw5jay at cox.net (Jay Bromley) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 13:23:00 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] FW: FOR SALE: TMC amps, exciter Message-ID: <003b01cf9d35$25c5eef0$7151ccd0$@cox.net> Forwarded from Larry, W0OGH. Please contact him directly...73 de jay/w5jay.. TMC 1 KW PEP amplifier with power supplies, interconnect cables in 6 ft rack on rollers. Originally an SBT-1K(J) model used on rtty. The RTTY units and VOX unit were sold separately so what remains is basically a PAL-1K. Amp requires less than 2W PEP to drive it to full output. Manual says 2W PEP. Manual(s) that pertain to it are included. Also have a schematic that shows what items should be changed to convert it from an 8295 PA tube to a 4CX1500B which is an equivalent and more readily available. This unit does not get used much as it is located remotely in the garage. Final tube is questionable. I have spares but do not think that they are any better than the one in the amp. I am able to get 450W output in CW mode and 250W in AM mode which is rated power under the 1 KW PEP rating. TMC PAL-500 amp with HV power supply and interconnect cable (factory) and manual. Unit uses a pair of 4CX350A tubes. Tuned properly it will put out 200W of AM carrier. I never run it over 125W output so the equipment doesn't stress components as they could be hard to find. Power supply is a bit heavy so shipping would be very costly. Recommend pickup only. This unit gets used a lot as it's physically in the shack. The 80K screen voltage dropping resistor in the power supply was open due to a shorted point on one of the tube sockets. I replaced the socket and built a suitable mounting for power resistors to replace the 80K unit as they are not available. Otherwise the unit is stock. The interconnect cable between the amp and power supply is not a common item so having a factory made one is a bonus due to the connectors used. $1000 for the 1 KW amp. $1250 for the PAL-500. I also have a TMC GPE-1A exciter that is an AM-CW-MCW exciter for these units. It puts out around 2W PEP and is a perfect match for the two amps listed above. It can be used with either Xtal or external VFO drive. I use it on 7293 which is the West coast AM frequency in general. It uses a 2-4 Mc input and then multiplies to other band segments, ie; 4-8 mc, 8-16 mc and 16-32 mc. All controls are on the front panel including a meter to monitor your modulation in the exciter and also the output power, both of which are adjustable from a control on the front. Mic and Key jacks on the front panel as well. RF input and output are BNC type connectors on the back. A barrier strip on the back provides access to other audio and relay switching contacts. I currently use a D-104 mic and it sounds extremely good. As the mic connector is a 6 pin din type, if i have an extra one i will include it with the exciter. I will not sell the exciter until the PAL-500 or 1 KW amp are sold. $350 for this unit. This equipment is in very good shape, not beaten up. Contact info: Larry W0OGH Gilbert, Az. 85233 Telegrapher at Q.com From nbcblue at hotmail.com Fri Jul 11 18:50:43 2014 From: nbcblue at hotmail.com (W. Harris) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 22:50:43 +0000 Subject: [AMRadio] FW: For Sale: Johnson Transmitters In-Reply-To: <002b01cf9d33$27b044b0$7710ce10$@cox.net> References: <53C02415.8020406@cox.net>,<001801cf9d30$fcc00f30$f6402d90$@cox.net> <53C024F0.60503@cox.net>,<002b01cf9d33$27b044b0$7710ce10$@cox.net> Message-ID: How about some prices? Bill - K5MIL > From: jayw5jay at cox.net > To: amradio at mailman.qth.net > Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 13:08:44 -0500 > Subject: [AMRadio] FW: For Sale: Johnson Transmitters > > Forwarded from Jon, W5WVI. Contact him directly.... > > I am forwarding this off an email I got from Jim Bromley. I thought it > might help out some looking for that sort of gear. So contact Jon, not me > or Jim. Thanks 73 de w5jay/jay.. > > > > I am reducing my operating collection of E.F. Johnson AM transmitters. > > If anyone is interested please call me or email.. > > > Available: Ranger II, Valiant, Johnson 500, SSB adapter, > and a Desk KW.. > > All are operating and in very good to excellent shape.. > > Again please call me or email to come see them if you are interested. > > Thanks... Jon...W5WVI.. > > phone... (480)-830-1639 > > email... jdelaune at centurylink.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From lafrieda at earthlink.net Fri Jul 11 21:39:20 2014 From: lafrieda at earthlink.net (James R. La Frieda) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 18:39:20 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] FW: For Sale: Johnson Transmitters In-Reply-To: References: <53C02415.8020406@cox.net>, <001801cf9d30$fcc00f30$f6402d90$@cox.net> <53C024F0.60503@cox.net>, <002b01cf9d33$27b044b0$7710ce10$@cox.net> Message-ID: <53C091C8.5070201@earthlink.net> Hi Jon, Totally agree with Bill, how about some prices, and are you willing to ship or is it only via local pickup ? 73, Jim - N6MV On 7/11/2014 3:50 PM, W. Harris wrote: > How about some prices? > > Bill - K5MIL > >> From: jayw5jay at cox.net >> To: amradio at mailman.qth.net >> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 13:08:44 -0500 >> Subject: [AMRadio] FW: For Sale: Johnson Transmitters >> >> Forwarded from Jon, W5WVI. Contact him directly.... >> >> I am forwarding this off an email I got from Jim Bromley. I thought it >> might help out some looking for that sort of gear. So contact Jon, not me >> or Jim. Thanks 73 de w5jay/jay.. >> >> >> >> I am reducing my operating collection of E.F. Johnson AM transmitters. >> >> If anyone is interested please call me or email.. >> >> >> Available: Ranger II, Valiant, Johnson 500, SSB adapter, >> and a Desk KW.. >> >> All are operating and in very good to excellent shape.. >> >> Again please call me or email to come see them if you are interested. >> >> Thanks... Jon...W5WVI.. >> >> phone... (480)-830-1639 >> >> email... jdelaune at centurylink.net >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >> AMRadio mailing list >> Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ >> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >> Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net >> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with >> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From jayw5jay at cox.net Fri Jul 11 21:58:25 2014 From: jayw5jay at cox.net (Jay Bromley) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 20:58:25 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] FW: For Sale: Johnson Transmitters In-Reply-To: References: <53C02415.8020406@cox.net>, <001801cf9d30$fcc00f30$f6402d90$@cox.net> <53C024F0.60503@cox.net>, <002b01cf9d33$27b044b0$7710ce10$@cox.net> Message-ID: <006301cf9d74$c4aa3550$4dfe9ff0$@cox.net> Guys look at the bottom of this message for Jon's email and phone number. This was just a reposting like was mentioned earlier. Jon is not on this list that I know of? 73 de jay/w5jay.. Hi Jon, Totally agree with Bill, how about some prices, and are you willing to ship or is it only via local pickup ? 73, Jim - N6MV On 7/11/2014 3:50 PM, W. Harris wrote: > How about some prices? > > Bill - K5MIL > >> From: jayw5jay at cox.net >> To: amradio at mailman.qth.net >> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 13:08:44 -0500 >> Subject: [AMRadio] FW: For Sale: Johnson Transmitters >> >> Forwarded from Jon, W5WVI. Contact him directly.... >> >> I am forwarding this off an email I got from Jim Bromley. I thought >> it might help out some looking for that sort of gear. So contact >> Jon, not me or Jim. Thanks 73 de w5jay/jay.. >> >> >> >> I am reducing my operating collection of E.F. Johnson AM transmitters. >> >> If anyone is interested please call me or email.. >> >> >> Available: Ranger II, Valiant, Johnson 500, SSB adapter, >> and a Desk KW.. >> >> All are operating and in very good to excellent shape.. >> >> Again please call me or email to come see them if you are interested. >> >> Thanks... Jon...W5WVI.. >> >> phone... (480)-830-1639 >> >> email... jdelaune at centurylink.net >> From paul at paulbaldock.com Sat Jul 12 14:31:45 2014 From: paul at paulbaldock.com (Paul Baldock) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 11:31:45 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] 10M open around US In-Reply-To: <006301cf9d74$c4aa3550$4dfe9ff0$@cox.net> References: <53C02415.8020406@cox.net> <001801cf9d30$fcc00f30$f6402d90$@cox.net> <53C024F0.60503@cox.net> <002b01cf9d33$27b044b0$7710ce10$@cox.net> <006301cf9d74$c4aa3550$4dfe9ff0$@cox.net> Message-ID: Check 29.000MHz - Paul KW7Y From adrianjamesflynn at gmail.com Sat Jul 12 17:19:20 2014 From: adrianjamesflynn at gmail.com (Adrian Flynn) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 17:19:20 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] FW: For Sale: Johnson Transmitters In-Reply-To: <006301cf9d74$c4aa3550$4dfe9ff0$@cox.net> References: <53C02415.8020406@cox.net> <001801cf9d30$fcc00f30$f6402d90$@cox.net> <53C024F0.60503@cox.net> <002b01cf9d33$27b044b0$7710ce10$@cox.net> <006301cf9d74$c4aa3550$4dfe9ff0$@cox.net> Message-ID: *Some people are so thick headed they do not know how to read past the first line!* 72/73 Adrian KF7DYU On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 9:58 PM, Jay Bromley wrote: > Guys look at the bottom of this message for Jon's email and phone number. > This was just a reposting like was mentioned earlier. Jon is not on this > list that I know of? 73 de jay/w5jay.. > > Hi Jon, Totally agree with Bill, how about some prices, and are you willing > to ship or is it only via local pickup ? > > 73, Jim - N6MV > > On 7/11/2014 3:50 PM, W. Harris wrote: > > How about some prices? > > > > Bill - K5MIL > > > >> From: jayw5jay at cox.net > >> To: amradio at mailman.qth.net > >> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 13:08:44 -0500 > >> Subject: [AMRadio] FW: For Sale: Johnson Transmitters > >> > >> Forwarded from Jon, W5WVI. Contact him directly.... > >> > >> I am forwarding this off an email I got from Jim Bromley. I thought > >> it might help out some looking for that sort of gear. So contact > >> Jon, not me or Jim. Thanks 73 de w5jay/jay.. > >> > >> > >> > >> I am reducing my operating collection of E.F. Johnson AM transmitters. > >> > >> If anyone is interested please call me or email.. > >> > >> > >> Available: Ranger II, Valiant, Johnson 500, SSB adapter, > >> and a Desk KW.. > >> > >> All are operating and in very good to excellent shape.. > >> > >> Again please call me or email to come see them if you are interested. > >> > >> Thanks... Jon...W5WVI.. > >> > >> phone... (480)-830-1639 > >> > >> email... jdelaune at centurylink.net > >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From mikebracey at att.net Sat Jul 12 17:38:47 2014 From: mikebracey at att.net (Mike Bracey) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 14:38:47 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] FW: For Sale: Johnson Transmitters In-Reply-To: References: <53C02415.8020406@cox.net> <001801cf9d30$fcc00f30$f6402d90$@cox.net> <53C024F0.60503@cox.net> <002b01cf9d33$27b044b0$7710ce10$@cox.net> <006301cf9d74$c4aa3550$4dfe9ff0$@cox.net> Message-ID: <1405201127.14308.YahooMailNeo@web184703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I'm sorry, but when a seller doesn't post prices, I delete the post. I have wasted too many calls and too much time over the years. I have never found a fair price on anything when it was not listed. All of my Ham friends feel the same way. Just the opinion of the "thick headed".? On Saturday, July 12, 2014 4:20 PM, Adrian Flynn wrote: *Some people are so thick headed they do not know how to read past the first line!* 72/73 Adrian KF7DYU On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 9:58 PM, Jay Bromley wrote: > Guys look at the bottom of this message for Jon's email and phone number. > This was just a reposting like was mentioned earlier.? Jon is not on this > list that I know of?? 73 de jay/w5jay.. > > Hi Jon, Totally agree with Bill, how about some prices, and are you willing > to ship or is it only via local pickup ? > > 73, Jim - N6MV > > On 7/11/2014 3:50 PM, W. Harris wrote: > > How about some prices? > > > > Bill - K5MIL > > > >> From: jayw5jay at cox.net > >> To: amradio at mailman.qth.net > >> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 13:08:44 -0500 > >> Subject: [AMRadio] FW: For Sale:? Johnson Transmitters > >> > >> Forwarded from Jon, W5WVI.? Contact him directly.... > >> > >> I am forwarding this off an email I got from Jim Bromley.? I thought > >> it might help out some looking for that sort of gear.? So contact > >> Jon, not me or Jim.? Thanks 73 de w5jay/jay.. > >> > >> > >> > >> I am reducing my operating collection of E.F. Johnson AM transmitters. > >> > >>? If anyone is interested please call me or email.. > >> > >> > >>? Available:? Ranger II,? Valiant, Johnson 500, SSB adapter, > >>? and a Desk KW.. > >> > >>? All are operating and in very good to excellent shape.. > >> > >>? Again please call me or email to come see them if you are interested. > >> > >>? Thanks... Jon...W5WVI.. > >> > >>? phone... (480)-830-1639 > >> > >>? email...? jdelaune at centurylink.net > >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net/ > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net/ > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net/ AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net/ Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From jayw5jay at cox.net Sun Jul 13 07:02:20 2014 From: jayw5jay at cox.net (Jay Bromley) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 06:02:20 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] FW: For Sale: Johnson Transmitters In-Reply-To: References: <53C02415.8020406@cox.net> <001801cf9d30$fcc00f30$f6402d90$@cox.net> <53C024F0.60503@cox.net> <002b01cf9d33$27b044b0$7710ce10$@cox.net> <006301cf9d74$c4aa3550$4dfe9ff0$@cox.net> Message-ID: <002d01cf9e89$eb8824f0$c2986ed0$@cox.net> Mike and all, Someone must have found it wasn't a waste of time. Update on Johnson Transmitters are as follows. I am not the seller. I am reposting from the AZ AM group trying to help. If you are not interested you don't need to call, prices or not. Please contact Jon, info below. 73 de w5jay/jay.. Jon, W5WVI, has sold the Johnson 500 and Valiant. He still has the Desk Kilowatt offered for $2500 and its matching Ranger II driver for $400. Direct inquiries to him: Jon De Laune, W5WVI phone... (480)-830-1639 email... jdelaune at centurylink.net From jayw5jay at cox.net Sun Jul 13 07:04:42 2014 From: jayw5jay at cox.net (Jay Bromley) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 06:04:42 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] FW: For Sale: Johnson Transmitters In-Reply-To: References: <53C02415.8020406@cox.net> <001801cf9d30$fcc00f30$f6402d90$@cox.net> <53C024F0.60503@cox.net> <002b01cf9d33$27b044b0$7710ce10$@cox.net> <006301cf9d74$c4aa3550$4dfe9ff0$@cox.net> Message-ID: <003201cf9e8a$400bbbe0$c02333a0$@cox.net> Very sorry about the spaces between lines, not sure why that is happening on the repost. 73 de jay.. -----Original Message----- From: AMRadio [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jay Bromley Mike and all, Someone must have found it wasn't a waste of time. Update on Johnson Transmitters are as follows. I am not the seller. I am reposting from the AZ AM group trying to help. If you are not interested you don't need to call, prices or not. Please contact Jon, info below. 73 de w5jay/jay.. Jon, W5WVI, has sold the Johnson 500 and Valiant. He still has the Desk Kilowatt offered for $2500 and its matching Ranger II driver for $400. Direct inquiries to him: Jon De Laune, W5WVI phone... (480)-830-1639 email... jdelaune at centurylink.net From hallicrafterssr2000 at k9axn.com Sun Jul 13 10:44:57 2014 From: hallicrafterssr2000 at k9axn.com (Jim Liles) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 09:44:57 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] FW: For Sale: Johnson Transmitters In-Reply-To: <003201cf9e8a$400bbbe0$c02333a0$@cox.net> References: <53C02415.8020406@cox.net> <001801cf9d30$fcc00f30$f6402d90$@cox.net> <53C024F0.60503@cox.net> <002b01cf9d33$27b044b0$7710ce10$@cox.net> <006301cf9d74$c4aa3550$4dfe9ff0$@cox.net> <003201cf9e8a$400bbbe0$c02333a0$@cox.net> Message-ID: <620131A7004C44DEB29A6C44B6384701@LILESJLAPTOP> Hi Jay: The spaces between lines is caused by the receiver not adjusting the width of his screen space. To prevent it simply shrink the width of the note that you send, then it won?t make a difference for the receiver. Kindest regards Jim K9AXN -----Original Message----- From: Jay Bromley Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2014 6:04 AM To: amradio at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] FW: For Sale: Johnson Transmitters Very sorry about the spaces between lines, not sure why that is happening on the repost. 73 de jay.. -----Original Message----- From: AMRadio [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jay Bromley Mike and all, Someone must have found it wasn't a waste of time. Update on Johnson Transmitters are as follows. I am not the seller. I am reposting from the AZ AM group trying to help. If you are not interested you don't need to call, prices or not. Please contact Jon, info below. 73 de w5jay/jay.. Jon, W5WVI, has sold the Johnson 500 and Valiant. He still has the Desk Kilowatt offered for $2500 and its matching Ranger II driver for $400. Direct inquiries to him: Jon De Laune, W5WVI phone... (480)-830-1639 email... jdelaune at centurylink.net ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From ne1s at securespeed.us Sun Jul 13 19:38:02 2014 From: ne1s at securespeed.us (Larry Szendrei) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 19:38:02 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Wanted: Schematic for Elmac 6T2 Mobile Supply Message-ID: <53C3185A.4090507@securespeed.us> Need a manual or schematic for a Multi-Elmac 6T2 mobile power suppy, if someone has one they can share with me. Google was -not- my friend when I tried to find one there. I have one that someone had previously tinkered with and I need to make it right. Thanks, -Larry/NE1S From ne1s at securespeed.us Sun Jul 13 19:47:10 2014 From: ne1s at securespeed.us (Larry Szendrei) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 19:47:10 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Wanted: Schematic for Elmac 6T2 Mobile Supply In-Reply-To: <53C3185A.4090507@securespeed.us> References: <53C3185A.4090507@securespeed.us> Message-ID: <53C31A7E.8020007@securespeed.us> Scratch the request below, folks. Looks like the actual number is 612. which would make sense because I think it can run from 6V or 12V DC. The tag on the back sure looked like "6T2" to my old eyes. I think I can find it now! -Larry/NE1S On 7/13/2014 7:38 PM, Larry Szendrei wrote: > Need a manual or schematic for a Multi-Elmac 6T2 mobile power suppy, > if someone has one they can share with me. Google was -not- my friend > when I tried to find one there. > > I have one that someone had previously tinkered with and I need to > make it right. > > Thanks, > -Larry/NE1S From ars.w5omr at gmail.com Sun Jul 13 22:09:52 2014 From: ars.w5omr at gmail.com (Geoff) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 21:09:52 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] FW: For Sale: Johnson Transmitters In-Reply-To: <1405201127.14308.YahooMailNeo@web184703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <53C02415.8020406@cox.net> <001801cf9d30$fcc00f30$f6402d90$@cox.net> <53C024F0.60503@cox.net> <002b01cf9d33$27b044b0$7710ce10$@cox.net> <006301cf9d74$c4aa3550$4dfe9ff0$@cox.net> <1405201127.14308.YahooMailNeo@web184703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <53C33BF0.8060306@gmail.com> On 07/12/2014 04:38 PM, Mike Bracey wrote: > I'm sorry, but when a seller doesn't post prices, We've found the problem. had you read -all- of the post, you'd have seen the disclaimer that said something along the lines of; "This is not mine - I'm listing it for a friend..." ergo, the poster *wasn't* the seller... > > *Some people are so thick headed they do not know how to read past the > first > line!* > > >> Guys look at the bottom of this message for Jon's email and phone number. >> This was just a reposting like was mentioned earlier. Jon is not on this >> list that I know of? 73 de jay/w5jay.. Guys (all y'all)... is it -really- that hard to pay attention to what passes in front of your face? From mikebracey at att.net Sun Jul 13 23:20:57 2014 From: mikebracey at att.net (Mike Bracey) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 20:20:57 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] FW: For Sale: Johnson Transmitters In-Reply-To: <53C33BF0.8060306@gmail.com> References: <53C02415.8020406@cox.net> <001801cf9d30$fcc00f30$f6402d90$@cox.net> <53C024F0.60503@cox.net> <002b01cf9d33$27b044b0$7710ce10$@cox.net> <006301cf9d74$c4aa3550$4dfe9ff0$@cox.net> <1405201127.14308.YahooMailNeo@web184703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <53C33BF0.8060306@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1405308057.11040.YahooMailNeo@web184703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I was not trying to hurt your feelings. We all read the ENTIRE post and understood everything posted. And yes everyone understood that the transmitters were not yours. The point we were trying to make to you, was that if you are posting for a friend, please help us all and ask him for his prices. I'm sorry that all of us hardheaded people are such a burden. On Sunday, July 13, 2014 9:09 PM, Geoff wrote: On 07/12/2014 04:38 PM, Mike Bracey wrote: > I'm sorry, but when a seller doesn't post prices, We've found the problem. had you read -all- of the post, you'd have seen the disclaimer that said something along the lines of; "This is not mine - I'm listing it for a friend..." ergo, the poster *wasn't* the seller... > > *Some people are so thick headed they do not know how to read past the > first >? line!* > > >> Guys look at the bottom of this message for Jon's email and phone number. >> This was just a reposting like was mentioned earlier.? Jon is not on this >> list that I know of?? 73 de jay/w5jay.. Guys (all y'all)... is it -really- that hard to pay attention to what passes in front of your face? ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net/ AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net/ Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From amradio at mailman.qth.net Mon Jul 14 14:42:13 2014 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (John King via AMRadio) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 11:42:13 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] small power transformer needed Message-ID: <1405363333.79556.YahooMailBasic@web160303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I need a physically small power transformer to build a small bias supply for my Hallicrafters HT 33A amplifier with Eimac 8295 which is a direct replacement for the original Penta PL-172. The original filament transformer had a bias winding that would produce -200 vdc from the rectifiers. The original filament/bias transformer COOKED and was replaced with a filament transformer without a bias winding. The bias variable circuit varies the bias between -95 vdc and -125 vdc. I am looking for a PHYSICALLY SMALL power transformer that will supply the AC voltage to give me a rectified -200 vdc from a bridge rectifier. Low current rating is not a problem because the tube runs in class AB1 or AB2 depending on user's choice. If I can't find such a physically small transformer that produces rectified -200 vdc with a bridge rectifier, I might be required to locate two small filament transformers and run the (secondaries) in parallel off of 6.3 vac ( now becoming primaries) and series the 120 vac primaries they becoming a secondary to transform 6.3 vac to approximately -220 or so vac. which can then be rectified with a bridge rectifier to provide the required negative voltage to the circuit that makes the bias variable. Does anyone have the physically small transformer that would perform the aforementioned chore or a pair of identical small filament transformers that would do the job? Please email me and let me know. Thanks and 73, John, K5PGW From Tonne at Comcast.net Mon Jul 14 15:24:15 2014 From: Tonne at Comcast.net (Jim Tonne) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 15:24:15 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] small power transformer needed In-Reply-To: <1405363333.79556.YahooMailBasic@web160303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1405363333.79556.YahooMailBasic@web160303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <53C42E5F.5030907@Comcast.net> Use a split-primary transformer. Connect one of those primaries to 120 VAC and the filament winding to the tube. Use the other primary with a voltage doubler to develop the negative voltage. - JimT W4ENE On 7/14/2014 2:42 PM, John King via AMRadio wrote: > I need a physically small power transformer to build a small bias supply From amradio at mailman.qth.net Mon Jul 14 17:23:56 2014 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (John King via AMRadio) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 14:23:56 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] physically small transmformer needed Message-ID: <1405373036.61220.YahooMailBasic@web160302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> The transformer problem is solved. Thanks to Antique Radio Supply, I think all will work out. I appreciate all the suggestions and input. 73, John, K5PGW From amradio at mailman.qth.net Mon Jul 14 20:07:54 2014 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (CL in NC via AMRadio) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 17:07:54 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] Small xfmrs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1405382874.59194.YahooMailBasic@web160604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I know the fellow found his xfmr, but for others, I have had luck in low current applications using these PCB mount like Mouser PN 546-229E120. A complete PS can be built on a pc board with rectifiers and filters and fit in small places. They're available in many primary and secondary configurations and priced in the $10 to $20 range. In that price range, they are low current use only, like a bias supply or retrofitting an AC/DC receiver with a transformer supply. Charlie, W4MEC in NC From ckepus at comcast.net Thu Jul 17 12:48:15 2014 From: ckepus at comcast.net (Chris Kepus) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 09:48:15 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] CU-872A/U RX multicoupler References: Message-ID: <002001cfa1de$f6755510$e35fff30$@net> Do any of you have one of these that is in active duty? I'm curious about its performance, etc. Since Goggle didn't turn up anything in the way of conversations about this unit, it may be that the going price of 6922's caused these to be sacrificed. Many of you frequent the same forums and lists so please excuse the multi-posts. I am casting a wide net hoping to catch a bonafide user to talk with. Thanks es 73, Chris W7JPG From Foltarz at rocketmail.com Sat Jul 19 11:46:14 2014 From: Foltarz at rocketmail.com (Mark Foltarz) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 08:46:14 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] This is not a drill Message-ID: <1405784774.5484.YahooMailNeo@web142604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Group,? ??? T-368 in good condition available for $50 west of Milwaukee,WI. ? Contact? :?? Forrest Anderson ; ? de KA4JVY Mark From Foltarz at rocketmail.com Sun Jul 20 11:10:33 2014 From: Foltarz at rocketmail.com (Mark Foltarz) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 08:10:33 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] [T-368_BC-610] This is not a drill - SOLD In-Reply-To: <1405784774.5484.YahooMailNeo@web142604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1405784774.5484.YahooMailNeo@web142604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1405869033.10729.YahooMailNeo@web142602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> The T3 has found a new home in W9 land de KA4JVY Mark >________________________________ > From: "Mark Foltarz Foltarz at rocketmail.com [T-368_BC-610]" >To: T-368_BC-610 Group Group ; Discussion of AM Radio In the Amateur Service ; "jmander at wi.rr.com" >Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 11:46 AM >Subject: [T-368_BC-610] This is not a drill > > > >? > > > > >Group,? > > >??? T-368 in good condition available for $50 west of Milwaukee,WI. > > > >? Contact? :?? Forrest Anderson ; > > >? de KA4JVY > > >Mark > > > > > >__._,_.___ > >________________________________ > Posted by: Mark Foltarz >________________________________ > >Reply via web post ? Reply to sender ? Reply to group ? Start a New Topic ? Messages in this topic (1) > >________________________________ > > >Yahoo Groups >Improved Group Homepage! >The About page of your Group now gives you a heads up display of recent activity, including the latest photos and files >________________________________ > > >Yahoo Groups >Control your view and sort preferences per Yahoo Group >You can now control your default Sort & View Preferences for Conversations, Photos and Files in the membership settings page. >________________________________ > >Visit Your Group > >? Privacy ? Unsubscribe ? Terms of Use > > > > >. > >__,_._,___ > > From jim at bearcreekfelinecenter.org Tue Jul 22 13:19:32 2014 From: jim at bearcreekfelinecenter.org (Jim Broaddus) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 10:19:32 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] AM Filter Needed Message-ID: Searching for an AM filter for a Drake R4C Receiver. Anyone? email jim at bearcreekfelinecenter.org *Jim Broaddus*, *Director* Bear Creek Feline Center [image: http://jimbroaddus.us/index.html] CLICK IMAGE From nq5t at tx.rr.com Tue Jul 22 17:01:34 2014 From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 16:01:34 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] AM Filter Needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <63CD04D6-0A77-46B8-8801-1F6541D1ED4C@tx.rr.com> www.inrad.net ? ? On Jul 22, 2014, at 12:19 PM, Jim Broaddus wrote: > Searching for an AM filter for a Drake R4C Receiver. Anyone? email > jim at bearcreekfelinecenter.org > > > *Jim Broaddus*, *Director* > Bear Creek Feline Center > From w5sum at comcast.net Wed Jul 23 12:07:25 2014 From: w5sum at comcast.net (Ronnie Hull) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 11:07:25 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Rx wanted Message-ID: Not a boatanchor but I'm looking for a Grundig Satellit 750 they will part with ? Ronnie W5SUM Sent from Ronnie's IPhone From knjhanlon at msn.com Wed Jul 23 12:42:08 2014 From: knjhanlon at msn.com (JAMES HANLON) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 10:42:08 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] RX multicoupler Message-ID: For more years than I care to think about, somewhere around 45, I have just put the inputs to two receivers in parallel across my antenna input and they seem to work just fine. I have 12 receivers set up so that I can switch any one or two into service at a time. One feeds my left headphone, and the other feeds my right headphone. I don't notice any difference in sensitivity on weak signals when I'm running one receiver and then I switch in a second one. Am I missing something? Should I go looking for a multicoupler? I run my receivers this way because I like to work the Classic Exchange, and I can listen to the receiver I'm using with one ear and tune in the next receiver in line for my next contact at the same time. Jim, W8KGI From rbethman at comcast.net Sat Jul 26 10:05:51 2014 From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2014 10:05:51 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Heavy metal sale Message-ID: <53D3B5BF.10102@comcast.net> Size, weight, and space a factor. Age of owner is also a factor! Thinning out the shack! For Sale 1 T-213, BC-614 speech amp, BC-939 Antenna Tuner. Tuning units from 2MC through 18MC. All PA Coils to go with the TUs. (almost two sets.) Full complement of tubes, number of spares to include 2A3s, 3B28s, 250TH, several 100THs. 1 sick BC-610I NO SHIPPING! Must pickup! Asking $2200, firm! Located in Manassas, VA Robert Bethman N0DGN From rbethman at comcast.net Sat Jul 26 11:22:25 2014 From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2014 11:22:25 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] [T-368_BC-610] Heavy metal sale Message-ID: <53D3C7B1.1050909@comcast.net> NOTE: Absolutely NO tubes will be sold independently! They are intended solely for the use of the equipment that is being sold! Size, weight, and space a factor. Age of owner is also a factor! Thinning out the shack! For Sale 1 T-213, BC-614 speech amp, BC-939 Antenna Tuner. Tuning units from 2MC through 18MC. All PA Coils to go with the TUs. (almost two sets.) Full complement of tubes, number of spares to include 2A3s, 3B28s, 250TH, several 100THs. 1 sick BC-610I NO SHIPPING! Must pickup! Asking $2200, firm! Located in Manassas, VA Robert Bethman N0DGN __._,_.___ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Posted by: rbethman ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Reply via web post ? Reply to sender ? Reply to group ? Start a New Topic ? Messages in this topic (1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo Groups Did you Know? Dealing with inactive moderators or owners ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit Your Group * New Members 1 Yahoo! Groups ? Privacy ? Unsubscribe ? Terms of Use . __,_._,___ From rbethman at comcast.net Sat Jul 26 11:47:37 2014 From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2014 11:47:37 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Heavy metal sale Message-ID: <53D3CD99.2040709@comcast.net> NOTE: Absolutely NO tubes will be sold independently! They are intended solely for the use of the equipment that is being sold! [ I have no idea why all the extra junk came out with this message! My apologies! ] Size, weight, and space a factor. Age of owner is also a factor! Thinning out the shack! For Sale 1 T-213, BC-614 speech amp, BC-939 Antenna Tuner. Tuning units from 2MC through 18MC. All PA Coils to go with the TUs. (almost two sets.) Full complement of tubes, number of spares to include 2A3s, 3B28s, 250TH, several 100THs. 1 sick BC-610I NO SHIPPING! Must pickup! Asking $2200, firm! Located in Manassas, VA Robert Bethman N0DGN __._,_.___ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Posted by: rbethman ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Reply via web post ? Reply to sender ? Reply to group ? Start a New Topic ? Messages in this topic (1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo Groups Did you Know? 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This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From rbethman at comcast.net Sat Jul 26 13:11:25 2014 From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2014 13:11:25 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Heavy metal sale ADDITION Message-ID: <53D3E13D.5010600@comcast.net> 1) The T-213 went through Depot in '59. Lon Cottingham and Robert Downs rescued it still in the crate. It had been destined for disposal at sea. 2) It comes with all original issue cables. I am open to the idea of "some" trading. A clean R-390A that is fully functional will drop the asking by $800. I would also apply the same to a clean and fully functional SP-600. I am NOT leaving Amateur Radio! I simply can no longer deal with the size and mass of these two beasts! They are standing on a four wheeled moving man dollies, and those will go with them. I have a substantial hand truck that handles 700lbs, and straps that take 400lbs a piece. Those will be available to move them from the Den and out to your provided transport means. However, these items won't go with. One additional piece goes with this package, and it is one JB-70 that needs a top plate made for it, and requires rewiring just inside, as where it came from had an issue with rodents that decided that insulation was delicious! NOTE: Absolutely NO tubes will be sold independently! They are intended solely for the use of the equipment that is being sold! [ I have no idea why all the extra junk came out with this message! My apologies! ] Size, weight, and space a factor. Age of owner is also a factor! Thinning out the shack! For Sale 1 T-213, BC-614 speech amp, BC-939 Antenna Tuner. Tuning units from 2MC through 18MC. All PA Coils to go with the TUs. (almost two sets.) Full complement of tubes, number of spares to include 2A3s, 3B28s, 250TH, several 100THs. 1 sick BC-610I NO SHIPPING! Must pickup! Asking $2200, firm! Located in Manassas, VA Robert Bethman N0DGN __._,_.___ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Posted by: rbethman ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Reply via web post ? Reply to sender ? Reply to group ? Start a New Topic ? Messages in this topic (1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo Groups Did you Know? Dealing with inactive moderators or owners ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit Your Group * New Members 1 Yahoo! Groups ? Privacy ? Unsubscribe ? Terms of Use . __,_._,___ ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From amradio at mailman.qth.net Sat Jul 26 14:04:14 2014 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (Brian Harris via AMRadio) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2014 13:04:14 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] FS: Pole Pig Message-ID: I have a 25kva (yes, that's about 25000 watts) pole pig available. 120/240 to 7200vac, no center tap. The original can is not included. It weighs over 100 pounds, probably closer to 150. $75.00 pick up only in Fayetteville AR. For $50 more I will haul it to Plano TX for pickup. If I get no takers it goes to the recycler. Just what you need for that qro amp. Brian Wa5uek Sent from my iPhone From amradio at mailman.qth.net Sun Jul 27 16:07:47 2014 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (Doxemf via AMRadio) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 16:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AMRadio] FS. Gates BC1-T Iron Set Plate, Mod, and Reactor Message-ID: <8D177ED91D89658-BB4-3BB96@webmail-m264.sysops.aol.com> Hello, I must clear out my storage. I pulled the Plate, Mod, and Reactor when removing the transmitter from the site. The Engineer powered up the transmitter into a dummy load to show me it was working before I pulled it down. The Iron has been in my storage for 10 years. The plate transformer is a Basler for Gates. 472-0624. 230Vac with a high and low primary tap.Marked as 3100v or 2335 at 710ma. each side of CT as indicated. Dual coil, open frame. The Reactor is 476-0243-000. Epoxy coated. 32hy min. at 5kv. 10kv tested. The modulation transformer is also a dual core but is buried on the shelf and I am unable to get to it and read the tag. I cannot pick or move any of these myself. I would like to sell these as a set if possible. $300 pick up only. The meter set is also available for $50, but will have to be removed from the cabinet. If someone wants the cabinet as is they can take it as well,as is. Located in North Adams MA. Thanks for looking. Bill KB3DKS From rbethman at comcast.net Mon Jul 28 11:06:09 2014 From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 11:06:09 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Heavy metal sale Message-ID: <53D666E1.9050405@comcast.net> The sick BC-610I is spoken for. It is destined for whom it came from. Bob - N0DGN From collinsradio at comcast.net Mon Jul 28 19:19:21 2014 From: collinsradio at comcast.net (David Knepper) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 19:19:21 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Studio Board Message-ID: Anyone want a McMartin audio console, model B801 Pickup only. Speak up before it goes to the landfill. Dave, W3ST From k2glo at jkasystems.com Tue Jul 29 00:49:12 2014 From: k2glo at jkasystems.com (Bob Deuel) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 21:49:12 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] 860 tubes used as modulator output tubes Message-ID: <000501cfaae8$7253c1a0$56fb44e0$@jkasystems.com> I desire to use a pair of 860 tubes as modulator output tubes in a special homebrew transmitter project. I am aware that tetrodes are not the best choice for use in a modulator and especially a lowly inefficient 860, but that is the tube that is most physically fitting for this particular project. I am also aware that using the 860 will require an added screen and bias supply and a substitution of a triode or its sister 852 triode would be better choice but those are not options and the extra power supplies are no problem. I cannot find any information on anyone using a pair of 860's in a modulator and obviously no manufacturer's published operating specifications as an AB modulator. Have any of you used PP 860's in a modulator either as tetrodes or triode connected tetrodes? Any thoughts and information on suggested operating perimeters would be helpful. Thanks, Bob, K2GLO From k9cox at charter.net Tue Jul 29 04:55:52 2014 From: k9cox at charter.net (k9cox at charter.net) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 08:55:52 +0000 Subject: [AMRadio] =?utf-8?q?860_tubes_used_as_modulator_output_tubes?= In-Reply-To: <000501cfaae8$7253c1a0$56fb44e0$@jkasystems.com> References: <000501cfaae8$7253c1a0$56fb44e0$@jkasystems.com> Message-ID: Appears that someone has at least considered it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwZO8wvPHao Sent from Windows Mail From: Bob Deuel Sent: ?Monday?, ?July? ?28?, ?2014 ?11?:?49? ?PM To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service I desire to use a pair of 860 tubes as modulator output tubes in a special homebrew transmitter project. I am aware that tetrodes are not the best choice for use in a modulator and especially a lowly inefficient 860, but that is the tube that is most physically fitting for this particular project. I am also aware that using the 860 will require an added screen and bias supply and a substitution of a triode or its sister 852 triode would be better choice but those are not options and the extra power supplies are no problem. I cannot find any information on anyone using a pair of 860's in a modulator and obviously no manufacturer's published operating specifications as an AB modulator. Have any of you used PP 860's in a modulator either as tetrodes or triode connected tetrodes? Any thoughts and information on suggested operating perimeters would be helpful. Thanks, Bob, K2GLO ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From ne1s at securespeed.us Tue Jul 29 07:41:28 2014 From: ne1s at securespeed.us (Larry Szendrei) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 07:41:28 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] 860 tubes used as modulator output tubes In-Reply-To: <000501cfaae8$7253c1a0$56fb44e0$@jkasystems.com> References: <000501cfaae8$7253c1a0$56fb44e0$@jkasystems.com> Message-ID: <53D78868.7040606@securespeed.us> Hi Bob, Sounds like a neat project! No personal experience - I'm not lucky (or rich) enough to have a pair of good 890s. My 1938 edition of the RCA Air-Cooled Transmitting Tube manual has the conditions for a single-ended class-B RF linear amplifier in a tetrode connection. The DC voltage will be the same for a pair in class B audio service: Plate volts: 3000 (2000) DC Plate current: 60 (43) mA (will be double for a pair of tubes, of course) Screen volts: 300 Grid bias: -50V Looking at the curves it doesn't look like a class-B high-mu triode connection would would work out unless you put some positive bias (below 300V, you'd have to experiment with a variable supply) on the screen grids to get the idling current you want. The supply would have to deliver screen current to both tubes. And you'd probably have to dive the p!$$ out of them with audio. Be careful, and treat them gently - there's not a lot of these bottles left, fewer that are serviceable, and they're not making any more ;-) 73, -Larry/NE1S On 7/29/2014 12:49 AM, Bob Deuel wrote: > I desire to use a pair of 860 tubes as modulator output tubes in a special > homebrew transmitter project. I am aware that tetrodes are not the best > choice for use in a modulator and especially a lowly inefficient 860, but > that is the tube that is most physically fitting for this particular > project. I am also aware that using the 860 will require an added screen > and bias supply and a substitution of a triode or its sister 852 triode > would be better choice but those are not options and the extra power > supplies are no problem. I cannot find any information on anyone using a > pair of 860's in a modulator and obviously no manufacturer's published > operating specifications as an AB modulator. Have any of you used PP 860's > in a modulator either as tetrodes or triode connected tetrodes? Any > thoughts and information on suggested operating perimeters would be helpful. > > > Thanks, > > Bob, K2GLO > > From kj4hyd at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 10:17:35 2014 From: kj4hyd at gmail.com (Kevin Raper) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 10:17:35 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Studio Board In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53D7ACFF.6070507@gmail.com> On 7/28/2014 7:19 PM, David Knepper wrote: > Anyone want a McMartin audio console, model B801 I would love to give it a new home. Where is it located? Thanks, Kevin, KJ4HYD From jtml at losalamos.com Wed Jul 30 01:02:03 2014 From: jtml at losalamos.com (John Lyles) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 23:02:03 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] FS: Pole Pig In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53D87C4B.3000706@losalamos.com> Can you supply a photo of the iron? Is it functional? Thanks 73 John K5PRO > Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2014 13:04:14 -0500 > From: Brian Harris via AMRadio > Subject: [AMRadio] FS: Pole Pig > > I have a 25kva (yes, that's about 25000 watts) pole pig available. 120/240 to 7200vac, no center tap. The original can is not included. It weighs over 100 pounds, probably closer to 150. $75.00 pick up only in Fayetteville AR. For $50 more I will haul it to Plano TX for pickup. If I get no takers it goes to the recycler. Just what you need for that qro amp. Brian Wa5uek

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