[AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 126, Issue 6


mark depaepe n5yey at live.com
Mon Jul 7 16:11:24 EDT 2014


The city of White Oak Texas passed an ordinance that stated Amateur Radios were not allowed to interfere with any type of Consumer equipment.
I moved out of that city before it became an issue for me.  I have not heard of anyone being shut down by the city either. I do not know if it just has not come up or if the Amateur operator told them to take a hike.
White Oak also had an ordinance concerning the volume of music.  When they showed up to enforce that one night I asked them what the ordinance stated which the cop rattled off some decibel level some distance from the house. I asked where his tape measure was, he said he did not have one. So I asked how he knew where the distance was? He replied its about...which is where I stopped him and informed him we were not abouting and he needed a tape measure to be exact. Then I asked where his decibel meter was. He said he did not have one...which is where I again interrupted and said oh, let me guess, they calibrated your ear? He said no.  I then told him he needed to come back when he had the necessary equipment to enforce the ordinance and I shut the door and turned the music back on. He went away and did not come back. 
He had been on the front porch for quite some time. I could not hear the door bell or his knocking. The conversation began with him saying do you know how long I have been out here and me replying do you know how much I don't care.  Typical small town cops. 

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It's not getting any smarter out there.  You just have to come to grips with stupidity and make it work for you. 

On Jul 7, 2014, at 14:54, "ROY FRISBY" <frisbysigns at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> To add a little humor to the discussion on "Antenna Issues".  
> 
>     The local town council here had a couple of complaints concerning a
> young lady running a big linear and getting into tv's.  They decided that they would pass an ordinance outlawing the use of linear
> amplifiers and cb towers inside the city proper.  Someone got wind of their intentions and the word got out to the cb community..
> 
> I attended the next city council meeting to represent the amateur community, along with about 200 cb'ers with blood in their eyes.
> It was standing room only in the city hall council chambers.
> 
> The city council realized that there was probably going to be a lynching if the ordinance passed so it was taken off the table, never to
> be brought up again.  Their excuse that night was that they realized that only the FCC had the authority to pass such a law.
> 
> Roy
> KB5MD
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>    1. Antenna issues. (rbethman)
>    2. Militray Chan number vs freq (CL in NC via AMRadio)
>    3. Re: AMRadio Digest, Vol 126, Issue 2 (Jay Bromley)
>    4. Re: Antenna issues. (Jay Bromley)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 15:04:17 -0400
> From: rbethman <rbethman at comcast.net>
> To: amradio at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna issues.
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> Then we also have to deal with someone in the neighborhood, we have NO 
> HOA or covenants, that is suddenly knocking on your door complaining 
> that your signal is getting into his Chinese made wireless phone handset.
> 
> I've had to set him down and explain that his phone is covered under 
> Part 15.
> 
> Trying to nicely explain that it isn't my fault that my "clean" signal 
> gets into his phone.
> 
> I fired up the radio, showed him the monitor scope, and the power output.
> 
> That and the fact that my signal did NOT get into my wireless handset, 
> which is less than 8 feet away from the transmitter.
> 
> That is the ONE and ONLY squawk since 1988.
> 
> None before him and none after him.
> 
> Most of the neighborhood was "still" on outdoor antennas attached to 
> their chimneys, myself included.
> 
> Bob - N0DGN
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/7/2014 2:37 PM, Jay Bromley wrote:
>> Hi Rob and Don,
>> I think we are seeing just the culture changing.  I taught a technician
>> class just a year ago and we had the largest turn out ever and all got their
>> license.  I spent tons of time talking about antennas and more than one
>> evening on just "antennas".  I would always preach antenna, antenna,
>> antenna!
>> 
>> Two things I noticed right off, gone are the ex-CBers, replaced by the storm
>> chaser want-ta-bees, the survivalists, and a few others had family members
>> they wanted to emulate that were now SK status.
>> 
>> I had one gentleman in particular that agonized for weeks over getting his
>> first antenna up I the air!  I would go over to his QTH and say something
>> like you have such nice trees just hang up a doublet off them.  His reply
>> was, oh my wife would never allow me to do that or that would look ugly.  I
>> am not sure about the wife comment as she was in the class as well and got
>> her license too.  She was pushing and supporting him the whole way.  The
>> home they have is in a nice neighborhood and it is indeed a nice looking
>> place.  However to me I don't think a few wires in the tree tops would have
>> hurt anything!  Most of the time you get them high enough you never see
>> them!
>> 
>> In his case he was looking for a single antenna that works all the bands and
>> is not that big.  One of those not so cheap do it all verticals, that have
>> horrible performance, he kept looking at and coming back to!  Some of the
>> class just didn't get all my preaching about the single most important thing
>> in a station is the antenna.  In the end, I got him to put up a simple 2
>> element Moxon.  He is working the world, but he doesn't have the experience
>> to know just how much money and grief I saved him.  So in the end, I am not
>> sure I did him any good.  I have seen guys quit the hobby over a POC antenna
>> and not making contacts, but did he really learn anything from me in the end
>> without the struggling for himself?
>> 
>> I've even noticed myself changing on this, not the antennas per say, but
>> prefer to do my antenna hanging when folks are not at home.  As they walk by
>> they always look up, but no one has ever said a thing to me.  Still I just
>> heard the other day at another ham's home someone  asking if the outside
>> antenna was even legal and this was not in protected sub division!!
>> 
>> Just getting more land may not the solution either.  Just ask a few hams
>> that have tons of acreage that went to court over their antennas!  This
>> antenna thing is getting to be a real hassle even with the some of the folks
>> that have the land that wanted to put up some nice towers.  Now some
>> counties are having antenna ordinances added to their books.
>> 
>> Just like so many things in our lives now, a few decades ago no one would
>> have cared or say anything!  A real shame IMHO.  Antennas are ham radio and
>> no ham should have to worry about what he does on his own land as long as it
>> is done in a safe manner!  73 de w5jay..
> 
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 12:05:42 -0700
> From: CL in NC via AMRadio <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> To: amradio at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [AMRadio] Militray Chan number vs freq
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> How low do the channel numbers go on the military FT243's?  Working back mathematically from 7100, Chan 328, Chan 1 would be another dimension if the 25KC per channel spacing held throughout.  Did they spacing change the lower you went?
> 
> Charlie, W4MEC in NC
> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 14:23:19 -0500
> From: "Jay Bromley" <jayw5jay at cox.net>
> To: "'WA5VGO'" <hbrnut at suddenlink.net>
> Cc: amradio at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 126, Issue 2
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> 
> HI Darrell,
> I think there have been a few studies and court cases on this, which never
> found towers and wires to devalue a home or neighborhood.  Maybe you are
> thinking of different stuff that might affect the property value?  There are
> many towers near here in my neighborhood and the houses around them continue
> to go on the market and sell over and over again.  Maybe it is from all the
> RFI, hi.  
> 
> Darrell sorry I forget your antenna system, did they allow you to put up a
> tower there?  What did you have to do for permission?  
> 
> The requirements with my local HOA continue to change over the years.  In
> the old days one would ask permission and then they would contact the
> surrounding neighbors.  When I put up my tower they had me go to the
> surrounding neighbors asking them to sign a piece of paper saying it was OK.
> I had one neighbor that was trouble, but in the end he even signed it as I
> was on full go.  All of them seemed reluctant to sign anything legal
> looking.  Now the HOA don't seem to even care as another ham just inquired
> one street over from here and didn't require him to do anything!
> 
> Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see junk cars scattered around or trash
> on the lawn, but a nice tower and wire antennas is not an eyesore to me.
> Antennas are just necessary for ham radio.  Funny when a town gets blown
> away like a few of them did here, their attitudes seem to change about
> antennas and ham radio.  Just ask Brian about Mayflower, AR.  
> 
> BTW this has nothing to do with antennas, but show how far extreme we are
> going to this political correctness.  Last year I got busted for my riding
> mower which has three cutting blades blowing grass clippings into the
> street.  Something I see most lawn care professionals doing all the time
> with leaf blowers!  The informant was a lady up the street to this day I
> don't know who she is.  It was 115 degrees outside and normally it takes me
> a few hours to do the lawn work.  Being a diabetic and with herniated disk,
> I just could go any more and went inside.  I do try to take great pride in
> how my lawn looks and do my best.  Normally I do clean up the clippings,
> however I wasn't feeling great that day and my wife even said do it another
> day.  So I thought I would get to it the next few days.  When I got busted
> for the said grass clippings, I asked what about the tree leaves and pine
> needles, as they are more of an eye sore than my grass clippings!  Well I
> was told that leaves and pine needles are dead material.  Well so was my
> grass clippings, but there is an ordinance against grass, hi.  So I added a
> mulching kit to the riding mower, which I had planned to do anyway.  I
> thought about not picking up leaves that fall, but in the end did my deed
> for the good of the surrounding hood!  :-)  
> 
> 73 de jay/w5jay..
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMRadio [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of WA5VGO
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 1:36 PM
> Cc: <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 126, Issue 2
> 
> Guess I'm a phony ham. I live in a community with HOA's and I like it. It
> helps to maintain my property value and creates a pleasant living
> experience. 
> 
> By the way, I regularly talk to several people on this board and I'm certain
> they'll tell you I'm as loud as anyone else here. I've also talked to Don
> many times and he's never complained about my signal strength. 
> 
> Darrell
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 7, 2014, at 12:26 PM, "Donald Chester" <k4kyv at charter.net> wrote:
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> 
>> From: Rob Atkinson <ranchorobbo at gmail.com>
>> Re: [AMRadio] US House Bill Requires HOAs comply with PRB-1
>> 
>> There's actually hams who LIKE HOAs.  I think that's another sign of a 
>> bogus phoney ham right there.
>> 
>> There was some guy in Arizona who posted on eham.net that he liked 
>> HOAs.  I checked out his QRZ page.  A shack of plastic radios and his 
>> antenna is.....a teeny mobile screw driver whip antenna outside on the 
>> ground with a bunch of radials
>> 
>> Rob
>> K5UJ
>> 
>> I agree wholeheartedly.  Another one to add to the original "Phony
> Operator"
>> list. Of course you have to keep in mind that some people don't have a 
>> sense of humour.
>> 
>> Don k4kyv
>> 
>> 
>> PS: Here's the original list with the addition:
>> 
>> 
>> YOU JUST MIGHT BE A PHONY OPERATOR IF...
>> 
>> You say you are running 400 watts with your Valiant or DX-100.
>> 
>> You think a Johnson Kilowatt Matchbox is a 2.4 KW Tuner.
>> 
>> You refer to a DX 60 or a Yeasu FT 101-E as  a "Boat Anchor"
>> 
>> You refer to a rig like the Yaesu FT-901, Kenwood TS-820 or Drake TR-7 
>> as "vintage" or "antique".
>> 
>> You refer to one's name as the "first personal" or just "personal".
>> -----Original Message-----
>> 
>> From: Rob Atkinson <ranchorobbo at gmail.com>
>> Re: [AMRadio] US House Bill Requires HOAs comply with PRB-1
>> 
>> There's actually hams who LIKE HOAs.  I think that's another sign of a 
>> bogus phoney ham right there.
>> 
>> There was some guy in Arizona who posted on eham.net that he liked 
>> HOAs.  I checked out his QRZ page.  A shack of plastic radios and his 
>> antenna is.....a teeny mobile screw driver whip antenna outside on the 
>> ground with a bunch of radials
>> 
>> Rob
>> K5UJ
>> 
>> I agree wholeheartedly.  Another one to add to the original "Phony
> Operator"
>> list. Of course you have to keep in mind that some people don't have a 
>> sense of humour.
>> 
>> Don k4kyv
>> 
>> 
>> PS: Here's the original list with the addition:
>> 
>> 
>> YOU JUST MIGHT BE A PHONY OPERATOR IF...
>> 
>> You say you are running 400 watts with your Valiant or DX-100.
>> 
>> You think a Johnson Kilowatt Matchbox is a 2.4 KW Tuner.
>> 
>> You refer to a DX 60 or a Yeasu FT 101-E as  a "Boat Anchor"
>> 
>> You refer to a rig like the Yaesu FT-901, Kenwood TS-820 or Drake TR-7 
>> as "vintage" or "antique".
>> 
>> You refer to one's name as the "first personal" or just "personal".
>> 
>> You end a QSO with "Seventy-Thirds" or just "Threes".
>> 
>> You try to break into an ongoing QSO by shouting "Contact".
>> 
>> You finish an AM transmission in a QSO that is NOT operating fast 
>> break-in, and just drop the carrier with no prior warning like a 
>> callsign or saying "over", "back to you", "go ahead", etc., leaving 
>> the other operator(s) wondering if you lost power or your rig crapped out.
>> 
>> You pronounce QRZ.com as "CUE ARE ZEE" dot com"
>> 
>> You "laugh" on phone by saying "High High" or worse still, "Aitch Eye".
>> 
>> You tell someone with a strapping signal he is "wall to wall, treetop
> tall".
>> 
>> You refer to switching over to AM  as "Going to the AM side".
>> 
>> You "ratchet-jaw" instead of ragchewing.
>> 
>> You refer to a microphone with a built in preamp as a "Power Mic"
>> 
>> You try to whistle up your RF power level when running FM.
>> 
>> You insert "there" between every two or three words in your conversation.
>> 
>> You refer to the phone bands as the "SSB bands".
>> 
>> You refer to your home station as a "base station".
>> 
>> You call your transmitter or transceiver a "radio" instead of a "rig".
>> 
>> You believe the reflected power returns back to your final and makes 
>> the tubes run red.
>> 
>> You refer to standing wave ratio as "SWRs" [plural]
>> 
>> You use the word "dot" in decimal fractions instead of "point".
>> 
>> You call the UHF female jack on the back of your rig the "antenna port".
>> 
>> You report renewed sunspot activity when it is only sporadic E.
>> 
>> Your idea of calling CQ is to just say your call, then pause.
>> 
>> You use "QRZ?" in place of "CQ."
>> 
>> You test by uttering "audio, audio, aaaaaaudio".
>> 
>> You operate SSB using VOX, and make "aaaah" sounds between words to 
>> prevent the rig from dropping out of transmit mode.
>> 
>> You transmit on AM using VOX.
>> 
>> You refer to every RF power amplifier as a "linear" regardless of 
>> Class A, B, or C.
>> 
>> You pronounce linear "LEEN-YAR"
>> 
>> You use coax for your HF antenna feedline because you heard that 
>> open-wire line radiates.
>> 
>> You think the ideal horizontal antenna is the G5RV, and the ideal 160m 
>> vertical is 43 ft. tall.
>> 
>> **You are a ham but you like HOAs**
>> 
>> 
>> What others can you think of?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 14:28:29 -0500
> From: "Jay Bromley" <jayw5jay at cox.net>
> To: "'rbethman'" <rbethman at comcast.net>,    <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Antenna issues.
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> Hi Rob,
> That is the way it should be IMHO, working together.  I just sent out a
> funny but true story on grass clippings.  If the neighbor had asked me in
> person I would have told her why I didn't get them up that day.  If she had
> asked the other neighbors she would have learned I was a good guy.  It is
> always better to be in person, but so many just want to be invisible
> informants!  
> 
> Getting back to antennas, this is a great neighborhood overall.  Many folks
> walk during the evening, it never fails they look at the antennas, but no
> one really cares enough to ask what they are.  I often wonder what they are
> thinking when they look, but know enough not to ask them!  :-)  73 de
> w5jay/jay..
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMRadio [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of rbethman
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 2:04 PM
> To: amradio at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna issues.
> 
> Then we also have to deal with someone in the neighborhood, we have NO HOA
> or covenants, that is suddenly knocking on your door complaining that your
> signal is getting into his Chinese made wireless phone handset.
> 
> I've had to set him down and explain that his phone is covered under Part
> 15.
> 
> Trying to nicely explain that it isn't my fault that my "clean" signal gets
> into his phone.
> 
> I fired up the radio, showed him the monitor scope, and the power output.
> 
> That and the fact that my signal did NOT get into my wireless handset, which
> is less than 8 feet away from the transmitter.
> 
> That is the ONE and ONLY squawk since 1988.
> 
> None before him and none after him.
> 
> Most of the neighborhood was "still" on outdoor antennas attached to their
> chimneys, myself included.
> 
> Bob - N0DGN
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/7/2014 2:37 PM, Jay Bromley wrote:
>> Hi Rob and Don,
>> I think we are seeing just the culture changing.  I taught a 
>> technician class just a year ago and we had the largest turn out ever 
>> and all got their license.  I spent tons of time talking about 
>> antennas and more than one evening on just "antennas".  I would always 
>> preach antenna, antenna, antenna!
>> 
>> Two things I noticed right off, gone are the ex-CBers, replaced by the 
>> storm chaser want-ta-bees, the survivalists, and a few others had 
>> family members they wanted to emulate that were now SK status.
>> 
>> I had one gentleman in particular that agonized for weeks over getting 
>> his first antenna up I the air!  I would go over to his QTH and say 
>> something like you have such nice trees just hang up a doublet off 
>> them.  His reply was, oh my wife would never allow me to do that or 
>> that would look ugly.  I am not sure about the wife comment as she was 
>> in the class as well and got her license too.  She was pushing and 
>> supporting him the whole way.  The home they have is in a nice 
>> neighborhood and it is indeed a nice looking place.  However to me I 
>> don't think a few wires in the tree tops would have hurt anything!  
>> Most of the time you get them high enough you never see them!
>> 
>> In his case he was looking for a single antenna that works all the 
>> bands and is not that big.  One of those not so cheap do it all 
>> verticals, that have horrible performance, he kept looking at and 
>> coming back to!  Some of the class just didn't get all my preaching 
>> about the single most important thing in a station is the antenna.  In 
>> the end, I got him to put up a simple 2 element Moxon.  He is working 
>> the world, but he doesn't have the experience to know just how much 
>> money and grief I saved him.  So in the end, I am not sure I did him 
>> any good.  I have seen guys quit the hobby over a POC antenna and not 
>> making contacts, but did he really learn anything from me in the end
> without the struggling for himself?
>> 
>> I've even noticed myself changing on this, not the antennas per say, 
>> but prefer to do my antenna hanging when folks are not at home.  As 
>> they walk by they always look up, but no one has ever said a thing to 
>> me.  Still I just heard the other day at another ham's home someone  
>> asking if the outside antenna was even legal and this was not in protected
> sub division!!
>> 
>> Just getting more land may not the solution either.  Just ask a few 
>> hams that have tons of acreage that went to court over their antennas!  
>> This antenna thing is getting to be a real hassle even with the some 
>> of the folks that have the land that wanted to put up some nice 
>> towers.  Now some counties are having antenna ordinances added to their
> books.
>> 
>> Just like so many things in our lives now, a few decades ago no one 
>> would have cared or say anything!  A real shame IMHO.  Antennas are 
>> ham radio and no ham should have to worry about what he does on his 
>> own land as long as it is done in a safe manner!  73 de w5jay..
> 
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