From w4rl at bellsouth.net Wed Apr 1 00:11:43 2015 From: w4rl at bellsouth.net (Robert) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 23:11:43 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Any core solder In-Reply-To: <1427859349.68114.YahooMailBasic@web160605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1427859349.68114.YahooMailBasic@web160605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <551B6FFF.7020003@bellsouth.net> Charlie, I wondered that also. Did a Google search and this is what I came up with. http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1726004.pdf Hope it helps as it did for me. 73 Robert W4RL Pensacola On 3/31/2015 10:35 PM, CL in NC via AMRadio wrote: > Does anybody know how solder is made? Even the small stuff would have 5 holes within its diameter filled with flux. How do they put 5 holes in it, and fill it with flux? Took a chance on the "How It's Made" TV show and asked them to do a show on that, but didn't even get an email back. > > Charlie, W4MEC in NC > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From amradio at mailman.qth.net Wed Apr 1 00:14:34 2015 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (Bill Guyger via AMRadio) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 23:14:34 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Any core solder In-Reply-To: <1427859349.68114.YahooMailBasic@web160605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1427859349.68114.YahooMailBasic@web160605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <30FF9ACA-7DDB-492E-943D-C23AB6DFDA04@yahoo.com> Maybe an extrusion process where they form. Larger tube with the voids, inject the flux and then draw it down to the desired size???? Bill AD5OL Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 31, 2015, at 10:35 PM, CL in NC via AMRadio wrote: > > Does anybody know how solder is made? Even the small stuff would have 5 holes within its diameter filled with flux. How do they put 5 holes in it, and fill it with flux? Took a chance on the "How It's Made" TV show and asked them to do a show on that, but didn't even get an email back. > > Charlie, W4MEC in NC > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From w4rl at bellsouth.net Wed Apr 1 03:17:36 2015 From: w4rl at bellsouth.net (Robert) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2015 02:17:36 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Needed: A non-working FT-243 crystal Message-ID: <551B9B90.4030409@bellsouth.net> Hi fellow AM'ers. I've searched 'hi and low' in me junk boxes for a non working FT-243 crystal. I need one to make up a coax cable to plug into my refurbished Clegg 99'er from my National 6n2 rebuilt VFO's output. Both being my main stay 6 meter AM station in the early 70's with a HB yagi. Any one have one that I could purchase along with postage. Sure would help me out getting both paired up together and working a few E's this summer and a local net we've started up here in Northwest Florida. I so miss those laid back simple times after work, supper and getting the little people who called us 'daddy' off to bed after their bath and bed time (sometimes daddy made up story) as many of us did and then for at least a little while chatting with the gang. Warmest regards es bst 73 de Robert W4RL Pensacola FL From mharmon at att.net Wed Apr 1 08:58:38 2015 From: mharmon at att.net (Michael D. Harmon) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2015 07:58:38 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Old Solder Message-ID: <551BEB7E.8080908@att.net> I thought I'd throw in my two cents worth. I have a couple of 'hockey-puck' plastic boxes of Kester rosin soldering paste. I do a lot of work on old boatanchor gear, and I use it all the time when soldering (or de-soldering) old connections that have turned gray and oxidized with age. I dip the iron tip in the rosin and apply a little fresh solder and the old solder usually melts instantly. The key is having a scrupulously clean tip. Any crud or oxidation on the tip from letting it set too long will prevent the proper heat transfer. I use a wet cellulose sponge (NOT plastic foam!) and a stainless steel 'scrubbie' in a cup for keeping the tip nice and clean. 73, Mike, WB0LDJ From rbethman at comcast.net Wed Apr 1 11:12:13 2015 From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2015 11:12:13 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Solder thread Message-ID: <551C0ACD.8080702@comcast.net> It is funny that the real fine solder I'm using is indeed the Ersin Multicore. I have to admit that is has been the best solder I've used. The other one is Kester # 43. It is about three times thicker, but is used in work on my receivers, such as an SP-600 and an HRO-50-T1. I haven't amassed a bunch of solder as some have. I DO use the Dutch Boy paste. It is still in the market at places like Lowe's and Home Depot. I find it very useful for those old joints that need a little kick to replow. I also got into Electric Quad Copters recently. I use the Multicore on those ROHS controller boards when I have made some modifications. I upgraded the Motor Units to a set with a little more power in them. It is an interesting hobby. However, you have to watch yourself and NOT go overboard. Some of these "drones" as they have now gotten labeled, can get *very* expensive! There is one person that shoots video for Hollywood. He had one custom made, and sank $29K into one with 12 rotors. Then his Movie camera is around $31K. Now I have to contend with the State of Virginia starting new laws that will have me finding new places to fly my 10 ounce Quad. I can't get more than about 300 feet away from it, and I'm certainly NOT flying any where near aircraft. Government needs to let some of this Hobby things alone! Regards, Bob - N0DGN From w4wsz at embarqmail.com Wed Apr 1 18:13:17 2015 From: w4wsz at embarqmail.com (Bob) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 18:13:17 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] MB-100 Message-ID: <002f01d06cc9$0e554540$2affcfc0$@embarqmail.com> I am looking for a Kenwood MB-100 mounting bracket for the TS-130.....any condition...just trying to keep it from falling off the seat...thanks for checking...73, Bob --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From knjhanlon at msn.com Thu Apr 2 16:34:02 2015 From: knjhanlon at msn.com (JAMES HANLON) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 14:34:02 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] FW: [nmqrp] very important In-Reply-To: <00bf01d06d54$f24430a0$d6cc91e0$@gmail.com> References: <00bf01d06d54$f24430a0$d6cc91e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I hope you folks will support this effort. Jim, W8KGI To: NMQRP at yahoogroups.comCC: W5YA at yahoogroups.comFrom: nmqrp at yahoogroups.comDate: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 08:54:37 -0600Subject: [nmqrp] very important A bill has actually been introduced into Congress which would extend the provisions of PRB-1 to CC&R's, REQUIRING then to accommodate outdoor antennas for amateur radio operators. It is critically important that LOTS of people send letters to their representatives in support, or this bill will go nowhere. Go here: http://www.arrl.org/hr-1301 for details, but also, the ARRL is asking that we send our letters to THEM, so that: * the letter doesn't go to a place in Maryland where it takes six weeks or more to be screened for explosives, and * they have a reason to call upon the representative face to face to deliver a bunch of letters to them. In Santa Fe County, it is almost impossible to purchase a home where CC&R's don't crush ham radio. If one does find and select one of the rare pieces, it still can take YEARS to get a permit for even the most modest of antenna supports. County law is only just now getting around to complying with NM state's PRB-1. 73, Fred KT5X __._,_.___ Posted by: "Fred Maas" Reply via web post ? Reply to sender ? Reply to group ? Start a New Topic ? Messages in this topic (1) Visit Your Group ? Privacy ? Unsubscribe ? Terms of Use . __,_._,___ From w5jo at brightok.net Thu Apr 2 16:53:09 2015 From: w5jo at brightok.net (Jim Wilhite) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 15:53:09 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] FW: [nmqrp] very important In-Reply-To: References: <00bf01d06d54$f24430a0$d6cc91e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3EF630A8852946219723349FB4C21B56@JimPC> Hi Jim Could you give us a bit more information about this, please? Jim W5JO Moderator. -----Original Message----- From: JAMES HANLON I hope you folks will support this effort. Jim, W8KGI To: NMQRP at yahoogroups.comCC: W5YA at yahoogroups.comFrom: nmqrp at yahoogroups.comDate: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 08:54:37 -0600Subject: [nmqrp] very important A bill has actually been introduced into Congress which would extend the provisions of PRB-1 to CC&R's, REQUIRING then to accommodate outdoor antennas for amateur radio operators. It is critically important that LOTS of people send letters to their representatives in support, or this bill will go nowhere. Go here: http://www.arrl.org/hr-1301 for details, but also, the ARRL is asking that we send our letters to THEM, so that: * the letter doesn't go to a place in Maryland where it takes six weeks or more to be screened for explosives, and * they have a reason to call upon the representative face to face to deliver a bunch of letters to them. In Santa Fe County, it is almost impossible to purchase a home where CC&R's don't crush ham radio. If one does find and select one of the rare pieces, it still can take YEARS to get a permit for even the most modest of antenna supports. County law is only just now getting around to complying with NM state's PRB-1. 73, Fred KT5X __._,_.___ Posted by: "Fred Maas" Reply via web post ? Reply to sender ? Reply to group ? Start a New Topic ? Messages in this topic (1) Visit Your Group ? Privacy ? Unsubscribe ? Terms of Use . __,_._,___ ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From manualman at juno.com Thu Apr 2 17:14:32 2015 From: manualman at juno.com (manualman at juno.com) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 17:14:32 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] FW: [nmqrp] very important Message-ID: Check ARRL News, 3/25/15 http://www.arrl.org/news/index/page:1/model:News See page 3 http://www.arrl.org/news/arrl-president-directors-and-officers-educate-an d-advocate-on-capitol-hill Copy (most likely) both lines of the link above to get to the actual news Pete, wa2cwa On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 15:53:09 -0500 "Jim Wilhite" writes: > Hi Jim > Could you give us a bit more information about this, please? > > Jim > W5JO > Moderator. > > -----Original Message----- > From: JAMES HANLON > > > I hope you folks will support this effort. Jim, W8KGI To: > NMQRP at yahoogroups.comCC: W5YA at yahoogroups.comFrom: > nmqrp at yahoogroups.comDate: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 08:54:37 -0600Subject: > A bill has actually been introduced into Congress which would > extend > the provisions of PRB-1 to CC&R's, REQUIRING then to accommodate > outdoor > antennas for amateur radio operators. It is critically important > that LOTS > of people send letters to their representatives in support, or this > bill > will go nowhere. Go here: http://www.arrl.org/hr-1301 for details, > but also, > the ARRL is asking that we send our letters to THEM, so that: * the > letter > doesn't go to a place in Maryland where it takes six weeks or more > to be > screened for explosives, and * they have a reason to call upon the > representative face to face to deliver a bunch of letters to them. > In Santa > Fe County, it is almost impossible to purchase a home where CC&R's > don't > crush ham radio. If one does find and select one of the rare > pieces, it > still can take YEARS to get a permit for even the most modest of > antenna > supports. County law is only just now getting around to complying > with NM > state's PRB-1. 73, Fred KT5X From w5jo at brightok.net Thu Apr 2 17:56:49 2015 From: w5jo at brightok.net (Jim Wilhite) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 16:56:49 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] FW: [nmqrp] very important In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F052C5113F34E2695789AC0BAC4E3B7@JimPC> Thanks for the clarification Pete Jim W5JO -----Original Message----- Check ARRL News, 3/25/15 http://www.arrl.org/news/index/page:1/model:News See page 3 http://www.arrl.org/news/arrl-president-directors-and-officers-educate-an d-advocate-on-capitol-hill Copy (most likely) both lines of the link above to get to the actual news From oldradio at comcast.net Thu Apr 2 18:21:54 2015 From: oldradio at comcast.net (oldradio at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 22:21:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] FW: [nmqrp] very important In-Reply-To: <3F052C5113F34E2695789AC0BAC4E3B7@JimPC> References: <3F052C5113F34E2695789AC0BAC4E3B7@JimPC> Message-ID: <1221288856.19147345.1428013314710.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Here's another point of view worth reading. http://wireless-girl.com/ARRLletter.html -----Original Message----- Check ARRL News, 3/25/15 http://www.arrl.org/news/index/page:1/model:News See page 3 http://www.arrl.org/news/arrl-president-directors-and-officers-educate-an d-advocate-on-capitol-hill Copy (most likely) both lines of the link above to get to the actual news From manualman at juno.com Thu Apr 2 19:14:35 2015 From: manualman at juno.com (manualman at juno.com) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 19:14:35 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] FW: [nmqrp] very important Message-ID: This link http://wireless-girl.com/ARRLletter.html has only to do with the proposed revised band plan and RM 11708. It has nothing to do with the current thread which involves CCR's. At least I didn't find any references to H.R. 1301. Actually Jim and I both brought to attention about this ARRL proposed revised band plan (Extras losing 50 KHz of their 80 meter phone band) several weeks ago on this reflector and there was no discussion, outrage, etc. to that thread. I guess Extras who operate phone don't care they might lose 50 KHz on 80 meters. Pete, wa2cwa On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 22:21:54 +0000 (UTC) oldradio at comcast.net writes: > Here's another point of view worth reading. > > http://wireless-girl.com/ARRLletter.html > > > -----Original Message----- > > Check ARRL News, 3/25/15 > http://www.arrl.org/news/index/page:1/model:News > See page 3 > > http://www.arrl.org/news/arrl-president-directors-and-officers-educate-an > d-advocate-on-capitol-hill > Copy (most likely) both lines of the link above to get to the actual > news > From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 19:20:20 2015 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 18:20:20 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] FW: [nmqrp] very important In-Reply-To: <1221288856.19147345.1428013314710.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <3F052C5113F34E2695789AC0BAC4E3B7@JimPC> <1221288856.19147345.1428013314710.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: ARRL just cannot seem to ever leave things alone. I think they must suffer from relevance inferiority. I am not happy with the digital lids operating their "image" noise right in the analog phone bands and I'd be for this if absolutely all digital were quarantined to some sub-band. I think modern digital is completely incompatible with analog. The old SSTV and RTTY were recognizable and okay but the modern digital is white noise 5 kc wide and who knows what it really is. Since I have no way of determining what it is I am hearing, beyond knowing it isn't AM or slopbucket, or CW, I default to assuming it may not even be a ham, or it may be noise from a part 15 device, maybe a leaky cable TV coax, and I go ahead and operate as if it isn't there. By the way, the same problem exists in the medium wave AM broadcast band with the IBOC noise from some stations wiping out analog AM stations. But the ARRL plan doesn't seem to address the ham version of the problem. They take an out by calling the phone subband, "phone/image" as if it is okay to transmit digital noise as long as you are using a computer to transmit a picture. Now we seem to have slopbucketeers with plastic radios and computers blasting noise and you can't even tell who or what they are because even worse, the old CW ID requirement has been done away with. I'd be okay with the digital if the QRMing lids could be identified. All that is needed is a change to their computer software so a CW ID is transmitted at the tail end of every digital transmission, like it used to be. There would be no inconvenience since the transmission is ending anyway. For now, if a ham wants me to know he is a ham and legitimate, he will have to identify in a way I can copy. I am not about to go purchase costly digital decoding gear because all the digital emitters out there can't be bothered to identify in a basic way. By the way I have commented on all this before to ARRL and in FCC filing when the "symbol bit rate" thing came up, or whatever it was called. Of course I was ignored. I am not against commenting to ARRL but what is _really_ important is commenting to the FCC when this thing winds up as a notice of proposed rule making. I thank AM radio reflector for letting me get a few thoughts off my chest. 73 Rob K5UJ On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 5:21 PM, wrote: > Here's another point of view worth reading. > > http://wireless-girl.com/ARRLletter.html From k4kyv at charter.net Thu Apr 2 21:43:38 2015 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 20:43:38 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] FW: [nmqrp] very important Message-ID: <000301d06daf$9ba8a6d0$d2f9f470$@charter.net> > From: JAMES HANLON > A bill has actually been introduced into Congress which would extend the provisions of PRB-1 to CC&R's, REQUIRING then to accommodate outdoor antennas for amateur radio operators. > It is critically important that LOTS of people send letters to their representatives in support, or this bill will go nowhere. > I hope you folks will support this effort. Jim, W8KGI To: NMQRP at yahoogroups.comCC: W5YA at yahoogroups.comFrom: nmqrp at yahoogroups.comDate: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 08:54:37 - > 0600Subject: [nmqrp] very important > ...In Santa Fe County, it is almost impossible to purchase a home where CC&R's don't crush ham radio. If one does find and select one of the rare pieces, it still can take YEARS to get a permit for even the most modest of antenna supports... Fred KT5X I have followed threads on e-Ham and QRZ.com on this same subject. You would be surprised at how many LICENSED HAMS say they are opposed to this bill. The rationale is that they don't want the "evil gubment" sticking its nose into private contractual agreements between property owners and their homeowners associations. Yet the HOAs depend entirely on "gubment" to enforce civil claims against property owners who fail to comply with their nit-picky rules and regulations. Don k4kyv --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From k4kyv at charter.net Thu Apr 2 22:10:21 2015 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 21:10:21 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 Message-ID: <000101d06db3$56c18100$04448300$@charter.net> Bill Cross was Johnny Johnston's flunky during the AM power debacle. He tried to play "good cop / bad cop" game, even going so far as to subscribe to Electric Radio, but never veered very far from the official party line even after his boss retired and he took over the position. But at least, his tenure after Johnston's retirement marked the end of the docket-a-month era, and we haven't seen much in the way of anti-AM proposals from the FCC in a long time. But God only knows what we will get as a replacement in charge of amateur radio rulemaking, especially considering all the DIGITAL hype we are seeing these days. Don k4kyv http://www.arrl.org/news/the-fcc-s-ham-guy-bill-cross-w3tn-to-retire-on-apri l-3 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From amradio at mailman.qth.net Thu Apr 2 22:41:24 2015 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (W4AWM via AMRadio) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 22:41:24 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 Message-ID: We should dump the digital stuff and rice boxes and go back to Real Ham Radio. Many new licensees are glorified appliance operators and few know how to put up an antenna, install a PL-259 or even solder. The term appliance operator is too good to apply to some of them! They wouldn't even be licensed if they had to learn code. What is this hobby coming to? Where is the OM when we need him? 73, John, W4AWM In a message dated 4/2/2015 10:10:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, k4kyv at charter.net writes: Bill Cross was Johnny Johnston's flunky during the AM power debacle. He tried to play "good cop / bad cop" game, even going so far as to subscribe to Electric Radio, but never veered very far from the official party line even after his boss retired and he took over the position. But at least, his tenure after Johnston's retirement marked the end of the docket-a-month era, and we haven't seen much in the way of anti-AM proposals from the FCC in a long time. But God only knows what we will get as a replacement in charge of amateur radio rulemaking, especially considering all the DIGITAL hype we are seeing these days. Don k4kyv http://www.arrl.org/news/the-fcc-s-ham-guy-bill-cross-w3tn-to-retire-on-apri l-3 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From k6xyz at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 2 22:49:59 2015 From: k6xyz at sbcglobal.net (David Harmon) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 21:49:59 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001f01d06db8$e1655930$a4300b90$@sbcglobal.net> It isn't a hobby.......it's a way of life. I'm still angry about 'incentive licensing' or whatever they called it back in 68'. 73 David Harmon K6XYZ Sperry, OK -----Original Message----- From: AMRadio [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W4AWM via AMRadio Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 9:41 PM To: k4kyv at charter.net; amradio at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 We should dump the digital stuff and rice boxes and go back to Real Ham Radio. Many new licensees are glorified appliance operators and few know how to put up an antenna, install a PL-259 or even solder. The term appliance operator is too good to apply to some of them! They wouldn't even be licensed if they had to learn code. What is this hobby coming to? Where is the OM when we need him? 73, John, W4AWM In a message dated 4/2/2015 10:10:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, k4kyv at charter.net writes: Bill Cross was Johnny Johnston's flunky during the AM power debacle. He tried to play "good cop / bad cop" game, even going so far as to subscribe to Electric Radio, but never veered very far from the official party line even after his boss retired and he took over the position. But at least, his tenure after Johnston's retirement marked the end of the docket-a-month era, and we haven't seen much in the way of anti-AM proposals from the FCC in a long time. But God only knows what we will get as a replacement in charge of amateur radio rulemaking, especially considering all the DIGITAL hype we are seeing these days. Don k4kyv http://www.arrl.org/news/the-fcc-s-ham-guy-bill-cross-w3tn-to-retire-on-apri l-3 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. 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This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From manualman at juno.com Fri Apr 3 02:57:17 2015 From: manualman at juno.com (manualman at juno.com) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 02:57:17 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 Message-ID: I bet that if the OM were around today, he would be embracing all the new technologies that have entered into the amateur radio arena over the last 100 years. Time marches on; there is no future trying to live in the past; there are only memories. Plus, digital stuff is cool and efficient; maybe one of these days I can work the west coast on 2 meters without having to use the moon as a reflector. Pete, wa2cwa On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 22:41:24 -0400 W4AWM via AMRadio writes: > We should dump the digital stuff and rice boxes and go back to Real > Ham > Radio. Many new licensees are glorified appliance operators and few > know how > to put up an antenna, install a PL-259 or even solder. The term > appliance > operator is too good to apply to some of them! They wouldn't even > be licensed > if they had to learn code. What is this hobby coming to? Where is > the OM > when we need him? > > 73, > > John, W4AWM From manualman at juno.com Fri Apr 3 02:47:23 2015 From: manualman at juno.com (manualman at juno.com) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 02:47:23 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 Message-ID: I'm willing to bet, if the On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 22:41:24 -0400 W4AWM via AMRadio writes: > We should dump the digital stuff and rice boxes and go back to Real > Ham > Radio. Many new licensees are glorified appliance operators and few > know how > to put up an antenna, install a PL-259 or even solder. The term > appliance > operator is too good to apply to some of them! They wouldn't even > be licensed > if they had to learn code. What is this hobby coming to? Where is > the OM > when we need him? > > 73, > > John, W4AWM > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/2/2015 10:10:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > k4kyv at charter.net writes: > > Bill Cross was Johnny Johnston's flunky during the AM power > debacle. He > tried to play "good cop / bad cop" game, even going so far as to > subscribe > to Electric Radio, but never veered very far from the official > party line > even after his boss retired and he took over the position. But at > least, > his > tenure after Johnston's retirement marked the end of the > docket-a-month > era, > and we haven't seen much in the way of anti-AM proposals from the > FCC in a > long time. But God only knows what we will get as a replacement in > charge > of > amateur radio rulemaking, especially considering all the DIGITAL > hype we > are seeing these days. > > Don k4kyv > > http://www.arrl.org/news/the-fcc-s-ham-guy-bill-cross-w3tn-to-retire-on-a pri > l-3 > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus > software. > http://www.avast.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net > with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: > http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net > with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From manualman at juno.com Fri Apr 3 03:00:10 2015 From: manualman at juno.com (manualman at juno.com) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 03:00:10 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 Message-ID: Sorry about this truncated message. Typing finger hit some key and out it went. Pete, wa2cwa On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 02:47:23 -0400 writes: > I'm willing to bet, if the From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 07:04:07 2015 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 06:04:07 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The OM was against CW. Go back and read the old screeds by him about the "newfangled CW." Yep, digital his its place today you bet, and that place is in its own subbands. No "phone/image," just analog here and digital over there. 73 Rob K5UJ On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 1:57 AM, wrote: > I bet that if the OM were around today, he would be embracing all the new > technologies that have entered into the amateur radio arena over the last > 100 years. Time marches on; there is no future trying to live in the > past; there are only memories. Plus, digital stuff is cool and efficient; > maybe one of these days I can work the west coast on 2 meters without > having to use the moon as a reflector. > From amradio at mailman.qth.net Fri Apr 3 13:05:32 2015 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (Bill Guyger via AMRadio) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 17:05:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <333900995.4573801.1428080732123.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Say What????? CW was all they had, at least to begin with, which was why the ARRL was founded. Their spark rigs even Kw sized?had a very limited range so they had to relay messages over what is today short distances (50 Miles or so). He was against bad CW. The Woufhong is named after something he swore he copied one night. I think the first QST was published in 1915 so up until tubes became available to regular people?around 1920ish spark was king. I have a copy of a 1921 RCA publication (thanks to John Dilks!) that shows hams?how to implement non spark CW rigs and?that new fangled phone mode using?RCA tubes and parts?of course. RCA was public minded enough to allow hams to use?what?RCA considered to be THEIR technology without a license from RCA, but everyone else had to pay?the Radio Corporation as they called themselves a royalty to build and operate commercial transmitters. Bill AD5OL ? From: Rob Atkinson To: manualman Cc: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Sent: Friday, April 3, 2015 6:04 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 The OM was against CW.? Go back and read the old screeds by him about the "newfangled CW." Yep, digital his its place today you bet, and that place is in its own subbands.? No "phone/image," just analog here and digital over there. 73 Rob K5UJ On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 1:57 AM,? wrote: > I bet that if the OM were around today, he would be embracing all the new > technologies that have entered into the amateur radio arena over the last > 100 years. Time marches on; there is no future trying to live in the > past; there are only memories. Plus, digital stuff is cool and efficient; > maybe one of these days I can work the west coast on 2 meters without > having to use the moon as a reflector. > ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 13:33:43 2015 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 12:33:43 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 In-Reply-To: <333900995.4573801.1428080732123.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <333900995.4573801.1428080732123.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Bill Guyger wrote: > Say What????? CW was all they had, at least to begin with, which was why the > ARRL was founded. Not true. > Their spark rigs even Kw sized had a very limited range so > they had to relay messages over what is today short distances (50 Miles or > so). You just got done writing CW was all they had, then you go on about spark as if it is CW. >He was against bad CW. The Woufhong is named after something he swore > he copied one night. I think the first QST was published in 1915 so up until > tubes became available to regular people around 1920ish spark was king. > I don't care about the Woulfhong or what RCA published. Yes Spark was king. OM was against CW at first. Rob K5UJ From Tonne at Comcast.net Fri Apr 3 13:40:42 2015 From: Tonne at Comcast.net (Jim Tonne) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2015 13:40:42 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 In-Reply-To: References: <333900995.4573801.1428080732123.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <551ED09A.8090306@Comcast.net> Rob: What he meant, and how I read it, was that a "telegraph key" was the thing that was used to turn and off the outgoing signal. Of course that signal was not a "continuous" signal as in a carrier as we know it today. Semantics. Grammar. Relax. - JimT W4ENE >>>You just got done writing CW was all they had, then you go on about spark as if it is CW. From manualman at juno.com Fri Apr 3 14:19:18 2015 From: manualman at juno.com (manualman at juno.com) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 14:19:18 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 Message-ID: Roughly ten years ago the ARRL tried to do just that with RM-11306, band allocations by bandwidth, which could have segregated a lot of digital stuff into only specific places in each amateur band. Too much misinformation floating around and pressure forced them to retract the proposal. At the same time, there was the really dumb proposal, RM-11305, "formulated" by seven amateurs, basically asking that all regulations and restrictions of who-does-what-where, within a license class be totally removed. Anywhere you set your dial, you would be free to operate any mode with any bandwidth you wanted. Fortunately, that one was retracted too. Pete, wa2cwa On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 06:04:07 -0500 Rob Atkinson writes: > Yep, digital his its place today you bet, and that place is in its > own > subbands. No "phone/image," just analog here and digital over > there. > > 73 > > Rob > K5UJ > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 1:57 AM, wrote: > > I bet that if the OM were around today, he would be embracing all > the new > > technologies that have entered into the amateur radio arena over > the last > > 100 years. Time marches on; there is no future trying to live in > the > > past; there are only memories. Plus, digital stuff is cool and > efficient; > > maybe one of these days I can work the west coast on 2 meters > without > > having to use the moon as a reflector. > > > From amradio at mailman.qth.net Fri Apr 3 14:35:29 2015 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (Bill Guyger via AMRadio) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 18:35:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 In-Reply-To: <551ED09A.8090306@Comcast.net> References: <551ED09A.8090306@Comcast.net> Message-ID: <1638885867.4630542.1428086129769.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Yes, chill.?Spark was a Damped Wave, I'm not an ignorant moron. But CW to most people means as Jim said keying the signal?on and off. It's just like people referring to Skill saws when talking about any circular saw?and Xerox machines meaning copiers no matter who makes them. Geeze today, we still?refer to keying the transmitter no matter what mode is in use.? Bill AD5OL From: Jim Tonne To: amradio at mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, April 3, 2015 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 Rob: What he meant, and how I read it, was that a "telegraph key" was the thing that was used to turn and off the outgoing signal.? Of course that signal was not a "continuous" signal as in a carrier as we know it today.? Semantics.? Grammar. Relax. - JimT W4ENE >>>You just got done writing CW was all they had, then you go on about spark as if it is CW. ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From amradio at mailman.qth.net Fri Apr 3 14:36:20 2015 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (Norb Sichterman via AMRadio) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 18:36:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 135, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1219527646.4634655.1428086180747.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> We should dump the digital stuff and rice boxes and go back to Real Ham Radio. Many new licensees are glorified appliance operators and few know how to? put up an antenna, install a PL-259 or even solder. The term appliance operator? is too good to apply to some of them! They wouldn't even be licensed if they had? to learn code. What is this hobby coming to?? Where is the OM when we need? him? 73, John,? W4AWM Good point John. We need to get away from all those "rice boxes" and??? "appliance operators" in fact we should not let then get on the air at all! After all what did they do to earn their license? They can't even solder! I agree with you John only people who know how to build their station from scratch should be allowed to operate on the ham bands! If you can't?tune up a Johnson Viking transmitter and run a regen receiver you shouldn't have a license. Does that sound about right John?? I have had people tell me that they wouldn't get into ham radio because of the bad attitude many hams have toward new people. I wonder John how many young people have you invited into your shack to get them interested in ham radio? How many classes have you taught on the subject? How many people have you talked to? on two meters inviting them to your clubs meetings? I am beginning to think that it is you who is the problem with your "elitist" attitude. I hate to break it to you John but none of what you are dreaming about is going to happen.? I love AM and my equipment is almost all tube except my Icom IC-7000. I also use CW and my CW station consists of a DX-20, an AR-3, AM-1, and a QF-1. But if someone?told me they?used a Flex or some other SDR (software defined radio) I would still talk to them and I would enjoy it. By the way John, I have heard?people who use SDRs and some of them sound as good as a plate modulated home brew transmitter. Norbert Sichterman KF0XO On Friday, April 3, 2015 11:07 AM, "amradio-request at mailman.qth.net" wrote: Send AMRadio mailing list submissions to ??? amradio at mailman.qth.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? amradio-request at mailman.qth.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? amradio-owner at mailman.qth.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of AMRadio digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 (David Harmon) ? 2. Re: The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 (manualman at juno.com) ? 3. Re: The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 (manualman at juno.com) ? 4. Re: The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 (manualman at juno.com) ? 5. Re: The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 (Rob Atkinson) ? 6. Re: The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 ? ? ? (Bill Guyger via AMRadio) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 21:49:59 -0500 From: "David Harmon" To: "'AM Radio List'" Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 Message-ID: <001f01d06db8$e1655930$a4300b90$@sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="us-ascii" It isn't a hobby.......it's a way of life. I'm still angry about 'incentive licensing' or whatever they called it back in 68'. 73 David Harmon K6XYZ Sperry, OK -----Original Message----- From: AMRadio [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W4AWM via AMRadio Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 9:41 PM To: k4kyv at charter.net; amradio at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 We should dump the digital stuff and rice boxes and go back to Real Ham Radio. Many new licensees are glorified appliance operators and few know how to? put up an antenna, install a PL-259 or even solder. The term appliance operator? is too good to apply to some of them! They wouldn't even be licensed if they had? to learn code. What is this hobby coming to?? Where is the OM when we need? him? 73, John,? W4AWM In a message dated 4/2/2015 10:10:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, k4kyv at charter.net writes: Bill? Cross was Johnny Johnston's flunky during the AM power debacle.? He tried to play "good cop / bad cop" game, even going so far as to? subscribe to Electric Radio, but never veered very far from the official? party line even after his boss retired and he took over the position. But? at least, his tenure after Johnston's retirement marked the end of the? docket-a-month era, and we haven't seen much in the way of anti-AM? proposals from the FCC in a long time. But God only knows what we will get? as a replacement in charge of amateur? radio rulemaking, especially? considering all? the DIGITAL hype we are seeing these days. Don? k4kyv http://www.arrl.org/news/the-fcc-s-ham-guy-bill-cross-w3tn-to-retire-on-apri l-3? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast? antivirus? software. http://www.avast.com ______________________________________________________________ Our? 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This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 02:57:17 -0400 From: To: amradio at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I bet that if the OM were around today, he would be embracing all the new technologies that have entered into the amateur radio arena over the last 100 years. Time marches on; there is no future trying to live in the past; there are only memories. Plus, digital stuff is cool and efficient; maybe one of these days I can work the west coast on 2 meters without having to use the moon as a reflector. Pete, wa2cwa On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 22:41:24 -0400 W4AWM via AMRadio writes: > We should dump the digital stuff and rice boxes and go back to Real > Ham? > Radio. Many new licensees are glorified appliance operators and few > know how > to? put up an antenna, install a PL-259 or even solder. The term > appliance > operator? is too good to apply to some of them! They wouldn't even > be licensed > if they had? to learn code. What is this hobby coming to?? Where is > the OM > when we need? him? >? > 73, >? >? John,? W4AWM ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 02:47:23 -0400 From: To: W4AWM at aol.com Cc: k4kyv at charter.net, amradio at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm willing to bet, if the On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 22:41:24 -0400 W4AWM via AMRadio writes: > We should dump the digital stuff and rice boxes and go back to Real > Ham? > Radio. Many new licensees are glorified appliance operators and few > know how > to? put up an antenna, install a PL-259 or even solder. The term > appliance > operator? is too good to apply to some of them! They wouldn't even > be licensed > if they had? to learn code. What is this hobby coming to?? Where is > the OM > when we need? him? >? > 73, >? >? John,? W4AWM >? >? >? >? >? >? >? >? >? >? > In a message dated 4/2/2015 10:10:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,? > k4kyv at charter.net writes: > > Bill? Cross was Johnny Johnston's flunky during the AM power > debacle.? He > tried to play "good cop / bad cop" game, even going so far as to? > subscribe > to Electric Radio, but never veered very far from the official? > party line > even after his boss retired and he took over the position. But? at > least, > his > tenure after Johnston's retirement marked the end of the? > docket-a-month > era, > and we haven't seen much in the way of anti-AM? proposals from the > FCC in a > long time. But God only knows what we will get? as a replacement in > charge > of > amateur? radio rulemaking, especially? considering all? the DIGITAL > hype we > are seeing these days. > > Don? k4kyv > > http://www.arrl.org/news/the-fcc-s-ham-guy-bill-cross-w3tn-to-retire-on-a pri > l-3? > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast? antivirus? > software. > http://www.avast.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our? Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives:? http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!):? http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home:? http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post:? 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Typing finger hit some key and out it went. Pete, wa2cwa On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 02:47:23 -0400 writes: > I'm willing to bet, if the ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 06:04:07 -0500 From: Rob Atkinson To: manualman Cc: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service ??? Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 Message-ID: ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The OM was against CW.? Go back and read the old screeds by him about the "newfangled CW." Yep, digital his its place today you bet, and that place is in its own subbands.? No "phone/image," just analog here and digital over there. 73 Rob K5UJ On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 1:57 AM,? wrote: > I bet that if the OM were around today, he would be embracing all the new > technologies that have entered into the amateur radio arena over the last > 100 years. Time marches on; there is no future trying to live in the > past; there are only memories. Plus, digital stuff is cool and efficient; > maybe one of these days I can work the west coast on 2 meters without > having to use the moon as a reflector. > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 17:05:32 +0000 (UTC) From: Bill Guyger via AMRadio To: Rob Atkinson , manualman ??? Cc: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service ??? Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 Message-ID: ??? <333900995.4573801.1428080732123.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Say What????? CW was all they had, at least to begin with, which was why the ARRL was founded. Their spark rigs even Kw sized?had a very limited range so they had to relay messages over what is today short distances (50 Miles or so). He was against bad CW. The Woufhong is named after something he swore he copied one night. I think the first QST was published in 1915 so up until tubes became available to regular people?around 1920ish spark was king. I have a copy of a 1921 RCA publication (thanks to John Dilks!) that shows hams?how to implement non spark CW rigs and?that new fangled phone mode using?RCA tubes and parts?of course. RCA was public minded enough to allow hams to use?what?RCA considered to be THEIR technology without a license from RCA, but everyone else had to pay?the Radio Corporation as they called themselves a royalty to build and operate commercial transmitters. Bill AD5OL ?? ? ? From: Rob Atkinson To: manualman Cc: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Sent: Friday, April 3, 2015 6:04 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 ? The OM was against CW.? Go back and read the old screeds by him about the "newfangled CW." Yep, digital his its place today you bet, and that place is in its own subbands.? No "phone/image," just analog here and digital over there. 73 Rob K5UJ On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 1:57 AM,? wrote: > I bet that if the OM were around today, he would be embracing all the new > technologies that have entered into the amateur radio arena over the last > 100 years. Time marches on; there is no future trying to live in the > past; there are only memories. Plus, digital stuff is cool and efficient; > maybe one of these days I can work the west coast on 2 meters without > having to use the moon as a reflector. > ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ? ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer ______________________________________________________________ AMRadio mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio at mailman.qth.net ------------------------------ End of AMRadio Digest, Vol 135, Issue 4 *************************************** From rbethman at comcast.net Fri Apr 3 15:20:32 2015 From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2015 15:20:32 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Modes Message-ID: <551EE800.9020900@comcast.net> All, This is the AM list. We indeed have other modes. Some are very content to run SSB, which happens to be one sideband with suppressed carrier. There are those that have stayed with CW very happily. I've been setting up an RTL8320 RT820T dongle and have begun trying the digital reception from a bit below VHF through 1600Mc. Haven't built the transmit side - yet! I certainly don't interfere with the HF bands! It appears that too many are having issues with things like PSK-31 and the like. Personally, I really don't want a computer down by the radios! My switching supply for the TS-2000 is *very* well shielded, and does NOT get into the receiver one little bit. It is a Samlex. There are a couple of plastic enclosed wall warts that spew garbage all over. I've enclosed those needed for other items in an expanded silver plated copper mesh with care to not short the prongs. Those are then grounded to the shack ground, and place ferrite chokes around the output lines. It is a royal PIA. We all need to relax and enjoy our hobby. That is all it is - a *hobby*! Regards, Bob - N0DGN From w3slk at verizon.net Fri Apr 3 15:20:21 2015 From: w3slk at verizon.net (w3slk at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2015 15:20:21 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61B1DC2249374498830D1279CE25E927@MikeyPC> I didn't think there was anything 'dumb' about it, Pete! It was submitted to counter the really, "STUPID" one submitted by the ARRgghhL, RM-11306. The only 'dumb' ones were those who authored the submission from Newington, CT. Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK -----Original Message----- From: manualman at juno.com Sent: Friday, April 3, 2015 2:19 PM To: ranchorobbo at gmail.com Cc: amradio at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 Roughly ten years ago the ARRL tried to do just that with RM-11306, band allocations by bandwidth, which could have segregated a lot of digital stuff into only specific places in each amateur band. Too much misinformation floating around and pressure forced them to retract the proposal. At the same time, there was the really dumb proposal, RM-11305, "formulated" by seven amateurs, basically asking that all regulations and restrictions of who-does-what-where, within a license class be totally removed. Anywhere you set your dial, you would be free to operate any mode with any bandwidth you wanted. Fortunately, that one was retracted too. Pete, wa2cwa From rbethman at comcast.net Fri Apr 3 15:33:03 2015 From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2015 15:33:03 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Our Moderator posted the band plan opportunity back in March Message-ID: <551EEAEF.7000201@comcast.net> This is where you get your say! It is also setup in a manner that only registers YOUR input *ONCE*! Regards, Bob - N0DGN ************************************************************************** Quote: From ARRL Headquarters Newington CT February 26, 2015 To all radio amateurs SB QST ARL ARLB011 ARLB011 ARRL Seeks Member Input on Draft HF Band Plan Proposals The ARRL is asking members to comment by April 19 on possible changes to the League's HF Band Plans suggested by the HF Band Planning Committee. The survey is part of the committee's efforts to tweak the band plans for the RTTY/data/CW portions of 80 through 10 meters - excepting 60 meters. The committee developed its suggested revisions to the voluntary band plans after reviewing some 400 member comments in response to a March 2014 solicitation that sought suggestions for using the spectrum more efficiently so that data modes may coexist compatibly. "The committee concluded that most of the concerns voiced by members could be addressed by modest adjustments to the existing band plans, and mainly by confining data modes with bandwidths greater than 500 Hz to the FCC-designated segments for automatically controlled digital stations (ACDS) and to parts of the RTTY/data subbands above those segments," ARRL CEO David Sumner, K1ZZ said. His article detailing the committee's suggestions will appear in the April edition of QST. The proposed changes differentiate among ACDS, narrow RTTY/data modes having a bandwidth no greater than 500 Hz, and wider data modes having a bandwidth up to 2700 Hz. Band by Band Draft Recommendations The committee suggests several modifications to the 80 meter band plan. FCC action in 2006 reduced the 80 meter RTTY/data subband to 100 kHz and limited access to the 3600-3700 kHz segment to Amateur Extra class licensees. "Unless and until the FCC Rules are modified, changes in the band plan for 3500-3600 kHz will not improve the situation," Sumner said. The HF Band Planning Committee recommends that the League petition the FCC to move the boundary between the 80 meter RTTY/data band and the 75 meter phone/image band from 3600 to 3650 kHz and restoring that segment to General and Advanced class licensees. Members are asked to comment on this proposal, as well as on whether or not the ARRL should petition the FCC for these other changes: * Shift the ACDS band segment from 3585-3600 to 3600-3615 kHz, consistent with the IARU Region 1 and 2 band plans. * Extend the current Novice/Technician CW segment of 3525-3600 kHz to 3650 kHz. * Add 80 meter RTTY/data privileges for Novices and Technicians. On 40 meters, the committee concluded that it would be unrealistic to try to bring the ARRL band plan into alignment with the rest of the world, particularly with Regions 1 and 3 where operating patterns developed when the entire band, including phone, was just 100 kHz wide and is still only 200 kHz. While 7040 kHz is a recognized RTTY/data DX frequency in the band plan, the best place for other RTTY/data activity in the US is above 7070 kHz. The committee proposes aligning the band plan with the "Considerate Operator's Frequency Guide," with wide data modes - outside of ACDS - at 7115-7125 kHz. The "Guide" shows 7070-7125 kHz for RTTY/data, while the ARRL band plan shows 7080-7125 kHz. The FCC mandates that ACDS be confined to the 7100-7105 kHz segment. On 30 meters, the committee recommends confining wide data modes to 10.140-10.150 MHz, separated from other RTTY/data at 10.130-10.140 MHz. On 20 meters, the committee recommends using the 1 kHz IARU/NCDXF beacon network frequency (14.0995-14.1005 MHz) as a line in the sand between wide ACDS in the 14.1005-14.112 MHz segment, and narrow ACDS in the 14.095-14.0995 MHz segment. The committee recommends 14.070-14.095 MHz for RTTY and narrowband data, noting that so-called "weak-signal" data modes often are used between 14.070 and 14.078 MHz. On 17 meters, the committee recommends confining wide data modes to the FCC-mandated ACDS segment of 18.105-18.110 MHz, separated from narrow RTTY/data at 18.100-18.105 MHz. FCC rules do not permit RTTY/data above 18.110 MHz, limiting options for this band. On 15 meters, the committee recommends that 21.070-21.090 MHz for narrow RTTY/data modes, the FCC-mandated ACDS segment of 21.090-21.100 MHz for both narrow and wide automatically controlled data station activity, and above 21.100 MHz for any additional wide data activity. The ARRL Board also wants members to comment on the desirability of adding RTTY/data privileges for Novices and Technicians in their existing 15 meter segment, where they're now limited to CW. On 12 meters, the committee recommends confining wide data to the FCC-mandated ACDS segment, 24.925-24.930 MHz, separated from narrow RTTY/data operation at 24.920-24.925 MHz. FCC rules do not permit RTTY/data operation above 24.930 MHz, limiting options for this band. On 10 meters, the committee recommends that wide data be confined to the FCC-mandated ACDS segment, 28.120-28.189 MHz, separated from narrow RTTY/data modes at 28.070-28.120 MHz. How to Comment The League has set up a web page to record members' preferences and comments at, http://www.arrl.org/bandplan . Those wishing to offer more detailed comments may e-mail ARRL at, bandplan at arrl.org . The comment deadline is April 19. The HF Band Planning Committee will deliver its final report at the ARRL Board of Directors' July meeting. From manualman at juno.com Fri Apr 3 15:55:27 2015 From: manualman at juno.com (manualman at juno.com) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 15:55:27 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 Message-ID: Actually, under RM-11305, an amateur operator could run any mode, any bandwidth (10 KHz, 25 KHz, 100 KHz), anywhere on an amateur radio band depending on their license class. Talk about total anarchy on the amateur bands. If that's not dumb, I'll rest my case. While I will agree that the ARRL proposal, RM-11306, could have been fine tuned more since digital and data modes were still in their infancy of acceptance and use 10 years ago. However, there was already a perceived problem and especially if they gained even more popularity in future years. Well, in 10 years, the digital and data modes haven't disappeared; they have gained more acceptance and use; and even wider varieties of digital and data modes have appeared. Getting them out from our phone bands and getting them into their own areas is the way to go even if the Extras lose 50 KHz of the 80 meter phone band. Pete, wa2cwa On Fri, 03 Apr 2015 15:20:21 -0400 writes: I didn't think there was anything 'dumb' about it, Pete! It was submitted to counter the really, "STUPID" one submitted by the ARRgghhL, RM-11306. The only 'dumb' ones were those who authored the submission from Newington, CT. Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK -----Original Message----- From: manualman at juno.com Sent: Friday, April 3, 2015 2:19 PM To: ranchorobbo at gmail.com Cc: amradio at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 Roughly ten years ago the ARRL tried to do just that with RM-11306, band allocations by bandwidth, which could have segregated a lot of digital stuff into only specific places in each amateur band. Too much misinformation floating around and pressure forced them to retract the proposal. At the same time, there was the really dumb proposal, RM-11305, "formulated" by seven amateurs, basically asking that all regulations and restrictions of who-does-what-where, within a license class be totally removed. Anywhere you set your dial, you would be free to operate any mode with any bandwidth you wanted. Fortunately, that one was retracted too. Pete, wa2cwa From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 16:10:13 2015 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 15:10:13 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The ARRL's "regulation by bandwidth" proposal would have been the end of AM as we know it. I won't get into the whole blow by blow here. Anyone who operates AM with 90% of all the AM rigs out there knows that having -6 dB at 3 kc on each side of carrier would have been a nightmare. Maybe it was 9 kc, but same nightmare. "bandwidth" is and was not the problem. We're doing okay keeping a reasonable bandwidth. Yes there are a handful of egregiously wide analog problems and scofflaws but those are only a few out of tens of thousands of active hams. The problem is that digital "white noise" is not a good neighbor right alongside or on top of an analog QSO, and they don't have to ID in a way that can be detected by a ham with a regular superhet receiver so you can't even contact them to inform them of their inconsiderate operating. There should either be some sort of analog ID requirement, or they should be in their own sub-band by mode, not bandwidth. Digital Mode in this context means any high speed data rate; not 60 wpm baudot RTTY for example. 73 Rob K5UJ From w5jo at brightok.net Fri Apr 3 16:10:33 2015 From: w5jo at brightok.net (Jim Wilhite) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 15:10:33 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Our Moderator posted the band plan opportunity back inMarch In-Reply-To: <551EEAEF.7000201@comcast.net> References: <551EEAEF.7000201@comcast.net> Message-ID: I urge all of you to familiarize yourselves with the subject and post your thoughts on the subject at the ARRL website. After the proposal was released, I regularly tuned the digital bands in question and cannot see a rational reason to change the present allocations, but that is my assessment. The only time I witnessed interference was during contests. The situation for AM operators is much different. We limit our operation to 3 frequencies on 80 meters by choice, mostly because if we attempt to operate other places we are subject to massive interference from other stations. That interference is much worse than what any digital operator must face. I do not see the ARRL proposing any help for AM. I do not see the ARRL providing help in finding those who purposely interfere and help bring them to justice, if interference happens the AM community simply must ignore the problem. Yet the FCC has and will pursue SSB operators who cause interference to other SSB operators. I am unaware of any prosecution of digital operators for interference, maybe because of the narrow width characteristic of the mode they do not interfere with each other as much. But if the ARRL truly represents all amateurs maybe someone could persuade them to help us and show the same interest as they have the digital operators with this proposal. Jim W5JO -----Original Message----- This is where you get your say! It is also setup in a manner that only registers YOUR input *ONCE*! From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 16:13:54 2015 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 15:13:54 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: correction: Maybe it was 9 kc, but same nightmare. I meant 4.5 kc, 9 total. Rob K5UJ On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Rob Atkinson wrote: > The ARRL's "regulation by bandwidth" proposal would have been the end > of AM as we know it. I won't get into the whole blow by blow here. > Anyone who operates AM with 90% of all the AM rigs out there knows > that having -6 dB at 3 kc on each side of carrier would have been a > nightmare. Maybe it was 9 kc, but same nightmare. > > "bandwidth" is and was not the problem. We're doing okay keeping a > reasonable bandwidth. Yes there are a handful of egregiously wide > analog problems and scofflaws but those are only a few out of tens of > thousands of active hams. The problem is that digital "white noise" > is not a good neighbor right alongside or on top of an analog QSO, and > they don't have to ID in a way that can be detected by a ham with a > regular superhet receiver so you can't even contact them to inform > them of their inconsiderate operating. There should either be some > sort of analog ID requirement, or they should be in their own sub-band > by mode, not bandwidth. Digital Mode in this context means any high > speed data rate; not 60 wpm baudot RTTY for example. > > 73 > > Rob > K5UJ From amradio at mailman.qth.net Fri Apr 3 16:49:54 2015 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (CL in NC via AMRadio) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 13:49:54 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] Modes and such Message-ID: <1428094194.92448.YahooMailBasic@web160602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Well, this is a discussion type that usually gets out of hand. There is room in this hobby for many pursuits. Mine do not have anything to do with typing on a computer hooked to a radio, but I did run RTTY in the late 60's and early seventies with all homebrew gear and a temperamental TTY machine, which I still have functioning. That was a challenge to me. A laptop, cable, and a radio with no knobs is quite boring. Would seem that we need a catch all rule similar to the firearms Curio and Relic designation, and apply it to radio. If you are using vintage gear, you are held to the standards established when the gear was new, not current, as long as you are not a pest. A friend gave me a bunch of CQ mags from the 60's and I have had fun reading a lot of articles and looking at the ads. Reading the comments sent to CQ back then, I realized there is one thing missing in QST's Correspondence from Members section lately, well worded arguments against things that the ARRL does that folks have problems with. Something that was present in the olden days. I have sent a couple I thought were fairly balanced and never heard anything back. We seem to rely on all our thinking to come from a small town in Connecticut who represent approximately 23% of hams who are their membership. Charlie, W4MEC in NC From mikebracey at att.net Fri Apr 3 16:49:20 2015 From: mikebracey at att.net (Mike Bracey) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 20:49:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 135, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <1219527646.4634655.1428086180747.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1219527646.4634655.1428086180747.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1605414563.4717676.1428094161015.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Norb, After reading your email I felt inclined to reply. In 1963 I was in junior high and became interested in SWL I found an SX28 and built a couple of 30' wooden poles and put up a homebrew dipole. I loved it and became interested In ham radio. I tried to teach myself code but due to school band and other things I never made it. In high school I took electronics and have restored old radios and jukeboxes for years. After I retired I decided to finally get my license. My interest has always been boat anchors and AM.?Well, to my surprise I found that the code test was no longer required. I quickly passed the Tech test and then the General. I have a house full of boat anchors now that I restore and enjoy. Life is good. Imagine my surprise to find that I'll never be excepted because I'm a "no code ham". And we no code hams are nothing but appliance operators.?I've read on about every web forum how sorry we are and don't deserve to be here because we are third class citizens. Hams that I met as a teenager were the nicest guys that you would ever want to know. I wonder what has happened to this hobby over the years. A lot of the old timers wonder why the hobby seems to be declining. Maybe they should ask themselves what they have done to promote it.?I generally lurk on these forums because If I ask a question I may be derided as a stupid no code ham.Alright, I'll get off my soapbox and get back in my place. Mike / KE5YTV From: Norb Sichterman via AMRadio To: "amradio at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Friday, April 3, 2015 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 135, Issue 4 We should dump the digital stuff and rice boxes and go back to Real Ham Radio. Many new licensees are glorified appliance operators and few know how to? put up an antenna, install a PL-259 or even solder. The term appliance operator? is too good to apply to some of them! They wouldn't even be licensed if they had? to learn code. What is this hobby coming to?? Where is the OM when we need? him? 73, John,? W4AWM Good point John. We need to get away from all those "rice boxes" and??? "appliance operators" in fact we should not let then get on the air at all! After all what did they do to earn their license? They can't even solder! I agree with you John only people who know how to build their station from scratch should be allowed to operate on the ham bands! If you can't?tune up a Johnson Viking transmitter and run a regen receiver you shouldn't have a license. Does that sound about right John?? I have had people tell me that they wouldn't get into ham radio because of the bad attitude many hams have toward new people. I wonder John how many young people have you invited into your shack to get them interested in ham radio? How many classes have you taught on the subject? How many people have you talked to? on two meters inviting them to your clubs meetings? I am beginning to think that it is you who is the problem with your "elitist" attitude. I hate to break it to you John but none of what you are dreaming about is going to happen.? I love AM and my equipment is almost all tube except my Icom IC-7000. I also use CW and my CW station consists of a DX-20, an AR-3, AM-1, and a QF-1. But if someone?told me they?used a Flex or some other SDR (software defined radio) I would still talk to them and I would enjoy it. By the way John, I have heard?people who use SDRs and some of them sound as good as a plate modulated home brew transmitter. Norbert Sichterman KF0XO ? ? On Friday, April 3, 2015 11:07 AM, "amradio-request at mailman.qth.net" wrote: ? Send AMRadio mailing list submissions to ??? amradio at mailman.qth.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? amradio-request at mailman.qth.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? amradio-owner at mailman.qth.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of AMRadio digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 (David Harmon) ? 2. Re: The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 (manualman at juno.com) ? 3. Re: The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 (manualman at juno.com) ? 4. Re: The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 (manualman at juno.com) ? 5. Re: The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 (Rob Atkinson) ? 6. Re: The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 ? ? ? (Bill Guyger via AMRadio) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 21:49:59 -0500 From: "David Harmon" To: "'AM Radio List'" Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 Message-ID: <001f01d06db8$e1655930$a4300b90$@sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="us-ascii" It isn't a hobby.......it's a way of life. I'm still angry about 'incentive licensing' or whatever they called it back in 68'. 73 David Harmon K6XYZ Sperry, OK -----Original Message----- From: AMRadio [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W4AWM via AMRadio Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 9:41 PM To: k4kyv at charter.net; amradio at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 We should dump the digital stuff and rice boxes and go back to Real Ham Radio. Many new licensees are glorified appliance operators and few know how to? put up an antenna, install a PL-259 or even solder. The term appliance operator? is too good to apply to some of them! They wouldn't even be licensed if they had? to learn code. What is this hobby coming to?? Where is the OM when we need? him? 73, John,? W4AWM In a message dated 4/2/2015 10:10:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, k4kyv at charter.net writes: Bill? Cross was Johnny Johnston's flunky during the AM power debacle.? He tried to play "good cop / bad cop" game, even going so far as to? subscribe to Electric Radio, but never veered very far from the official? party line even after his boss retired and he took over the position. But? at least, his tenure after Johnston's retirement marked the end of the? docket-a-month era, and we haven't seen much in the way of anti-AM? proposals from the FCC in a long time. But God only knows what we will get? as a replacement in charge of amateur? radio rulemaking, especially? considering all? the DIGITAL hype we are seeing these days. Don? k4kyv http://www.arrl.org/news/the-fcc-s-ham-guy-bill-cross-w3tn-to-retire-on-apri l-3? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast? antivirus? software. http://www.avast.com ______________________________________________________________ Our? 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This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 02:57:17 -0400 From: To: amradio at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I bet that if the OM were around today, he would be embracing all the new technologies that have entered into the amateur radio arena over the last 100 years. Time marches on; there is no future trying to live in the past; there are only memories. Plus, digital stuff is cool and efficient; maybe one of these days I can work the west coast on 2 meters without having to use the moon as a reflector. Pete, wa2cwa On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 22:41:24 -0400 W4AWM via AMRadio writes: > We should dump the digital stuff and rice boxes and go back to Real > Ham? > Radio. Many new licensees are glorified appliance operators and few > know how > to? put up an antenna, install a PL-259 or even solder. The term > appliance > operator? is too good to apply to some of them! They wouldn't even > be licensed > if they had? to learn code. What is this hobby coming to?? Where is > the OM > when we need? him? >? > 73, >? >? John,? W4AWM ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 02:47:23 -0400 From: To: W4AWM at aol.com Cc: k4kyv at charter.net, amradio at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm willing to bet, if the On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 22:41:24 -0400 W4AWM via AMRadio writes: > We should dump the digital stuff and rice boxes and go back to Real > Ham? > Radio. Many new licensees are glorified appliance operators and few > know how > to? put up an antenna, install a PL-259 or even solder. The term > appliance > operator? is too good to apply to some of them! They wouldn't even > be licensed > if they had? to learn code. What is this hobby coming to?? Where is > the OM > when we need? him? >? > 73, >? >? John,? W4AWM >? >? >? >? >? >? >? >? >? >? > In a message dated 4/2/2015 10:10:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,? > k4kyv at charter.net writes: > > Bill? Cross was Johnny Johnston's flunky during the AM power > debacle.? He > tried to play "good cop / bad cop" game, even going so far as to? > subscribe > to Electric Radio, but never veered very far from the official? > party line > even after his boss retired and he took over the position. But? at > least, > his > tenure after Johnston's retirement marked the end of the? > docket-a-month > era, > and we haven't seen much in the way of anti-AM? proposals from the > FCC in a > long time. But God only knows what we will get? as a replacement in > charge > of > amateur? radio rulemaking, especially? considering all? the DIGITAL > hype we > are seeing these days. > > Don? k4kyv > > http://www.arrl.org/news/the-fcc-s-ham-guy-bill-cross-w3tn-to-retire-on-a pri > l-3? > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast? antivirus? > software. > http://www.avast.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our? Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives:? http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!):? http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home:? http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post:? 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Typing finger hit some key and out it went. Pete, wa2cwa On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 02:47:23 -0400 writes: > I'm willing to bet, if the ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 06:04:07 -0500 From: Rob Atkinson To: manualman Cc: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service ??? Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 Message-ID: ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The OM was against CW.? Go back and read the old screeds by him about the "newfangled CW." Yep, digital his its place today you bet, and that place is in its own subbands.? No "phone/image," just analog here and digital over there. 73 Rob K5UJ On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 1:57 AM,? wrote: > I bet that if the OM were around today, he would be embracing all the new > technologies that have entered into the amateur radio arena over the last > 100 years. Time marches on; there is no future trying to live in the > past; there are only memories. Plus, digital stuff is cool and efficient; > maybe one of these days I can work the west coast on 2 meters without > having to use the moon as a reflector. > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 17:05:32 +0000 (UTC) From: Bill Guyger via AMRadio To: Rob Atkinson , manualman ??? Cc: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service ??? Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 Message-ID: ??? <333900995.4573801.1428080732123.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Say What????? CW was all they had, at least to begin with, which was why the ARRL was founded. Their spark rigs even Kw sized?had a very limited range so they had to relay messages over what is today short distances (50 Miles or so). He was against bad CW. The Woufhong is named after something he swore he copied one night. I think the first QST was published in 1915 so up until tubes became available to regular people?around 1920ish spark was king. I have a copy of a 1921 RCA publication (thanks to John Dilks!) that shows hams?how to implement non spark CW rigs and?that new fangled phone mode using?RCA tubes and parts?of course. RCA was public minded enough to allow hams to use?what?RCA considered to be THEIR technology without a license from RCA, but everyone else had to pay?the Radio Corporation as they called themselves a royalty to build and operate commercial transmitters. Bill AD5OL ?? ? ? From: Rob Atkinson To: manualman Cc: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Sent: Friday, April 3, 2015 6:04 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 ? The OM was against CW.? Go back and read the old screeds by him about the "newfangled CW." Yep, digital his its place today you bet, and that place is in its own subbands.? No "phone/image," just analog here and digital over there. 73 Rob K5UJ On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 1:57 AM,? wrote: > I bet that if the OM were around today, he would be embracing all the new > technologies that have entered into the amateur radio arena over the last > 100 years. Time marches on; there is no future trying to live in the > past; there are only memories. Plus, digital stuff is cool and efficient; > maybe one of these days I can work the west coast on 2 meters without > having to use the moon as a reflector. > ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. 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This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From w5jo at brightok.net Fri Apr 3 16:53:12 2015 From: w5jo at brightok.net (Jim Wilhite) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 15:53:12 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Modes and such In-Reply-To: <1428094194.92448.YahooMailBasic@web160602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1428094194.92448.YahooMailBasic@web160602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <795B733B2E1E405A8C54D1D60F1040D5@JimPC> I hope it doesn't. We can discuss this topic and any related with respect for other opinions. Jim W5JO Moderator Well, this is a discussion type that usually gets out of hand. From manualman at juno.com Fri Apr 3 17:02:02 2015 From: manualman at juno.com (manualman at juno.com) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 17:02:02 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Our Moderator posted the band plan opportunity back inMarch Message-ID: My comments start with *** below: On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 15:10:33 -0500 "Jim Wilhite" writes: > The situation for AM operators is much different. We limit our > operation to > 3 frequencies on 80 meters by choice, mostly because if we attempt > to > operate other places we are subject to massive interference from > other > stations. That interference is much worse than what any digital > operator > must face. ***That's just not true Jim. Maybe in your area you limit yourself to three frequencies for AM, but I don't know where in the rest of the world they do that on 75/80 meters. There is absolutely no reason to limit yourself to any frequency. Actually, no one owns a frequency, so it makes no sense to even do that. You can operate AM anywhere in the phone band depending on you license class. Besides the typical 3870-3885 AM hangouts, you can find AM operating down in the Extra portion, anywhere between 3700 and 3735, around 3838, and even up around 3960. > I do not see the ARRL proposing any help for AM. I do not see the > ARRL > providing help in finding those who purposely interfere and help > bring them > to justice, if interference happens the AM community simply must > ignore the > problem. Yet the FCC has and will pursue SSB operators who cause > interference to other SSB operators. I am unaware of any > prosecution of > digital operators for interference, maybe because of the narrow > width > characteristic of the mode they do not interfere with each other as > much. > > But if the ARRL truly represents all amateurs maybe someone could > persuade > them to help us and show the same interest as they have the digital > > operators with this proposal. > > Jim > W5JO *** What kind of help do you want from the ARRL relative to AM? The ARRL is not the frequency police. If an amateur operator has consistent problems of deliberate interference, they should report it to the FCC. If an AM operator just ignores the consistent interference problem and does nothing, that's their cross to bear. Pete, wa2cwa From rbethman at comcast.net Fri Apr 3 17:22:51 2015 From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2015 17:22:51 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Radio Operators In-Reply-To: <1605414563.4717676.1428094161015.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1219527646.4634655.1428086180747.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1605414563.4717676.1428094161015.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <551F04AB.2060905@comcast.net> Mike, Welcome to The realm of Amateur Radio Operators! Personally, I accept *YOU* into the community! I did have to take the code test. However, I do *not* hold it against anyone whom didn't have to! I managed to squeeze in getting licensed during service to Uncle Sam. That goes back to 1980. I managed my Novice in June, then took the drive to Atlanta on 31 Oct 1980. I had no problem with the tests, either written or code. I had managed to get enough time on the air to get my code up to 35WPM with a Nye-Viking straight key. [ Yes, it was work at first. Then it simply became second nature! ] I no longer have the herd of Boat Anchors that I once had. Physically I am no longer able to deal with heavy transmitters and receivers. I do have two receivers that I will keep as long as I operate. One is a Northern Radio Variant SP-600. The second was an absolute fluke! One individual posted on THIS list regarding a receiver that I thought I'd never get my hands on. I jumped on it in Spring of 2013. It is a wonderful HRO-50-T1. I spent hours going through the re-capping and alignment. It is on the bench again to *finally* replace the out of spec resistors that are tied to any grid. I now operate a "Plastic Radio", not by choice, but by physical limitation of complete spinal arthritis. You sir, are MORE than welcome to the Community! Sincerest Regards, Bob - N0DGN Manassas, VA On 4/3/2015 4:49 PM, Mike Bracey wrote: > Hi Norb, > After reading your email I felt inclined to reply. In 1963 I was in junior high and became interested in SWL I found an SX28 and built a couple of 30' wooden poles and put up a homebrew dipole. I loved it and became interested In ham radio. I tried to teach myself code but due to school band and other things I never made it. In high school I took electronics and have restored old radios and jukeboxes for years. After I retired I decided to finally get my license. My interest has always been boat anchors and AM. Well, to my surprise I found that the code test was no longer required. I quickly passed the Tech test and then the General. I have a house full of boat anchors now that I restore and enjoy. Life is good. Imagine my surprise to find that I'll never be excepted because I'm a "no code ham". And we no code hams are nothing but appliance operators. I've read on about every web forum how sorry we are and don't deserve to be here because we are third class citizens. Hams that I met as a teenager were the nicest guys that you would ever want to know. I wonder what has happened to this hobby over the years. A lot of the old timers wonder why the hobby seems to be declining. Maybe they should ask themselves what they have done to promote it. I generally lurk on these forums because If I ask a question I may be derided as a stupid no code ham.Alright, I'll get off my soapbox and get back in my place. > Mike / KE5YTV From w5jo at brightok.net Fri Apr 3 17:54:26 2015 From: w5jo at brightok.net (Jim Wilhite) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 16:54:26 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Our Moderator posted the band plan opportunity back inMarch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C4325C767664102A1B3669548ACD41F@JimPC> Pete, respectfully, in reference to the first paragraph, I have not heard AM signals on any frequencies outside of 3.875 to 3.890 except rarely. This happens mostly because, as you state, that we limit ourselves to those frequencies where we know our friends will be. Sometimes I do move to other frequencies and operate but not often. That is no one's fault but mine; however if you heard the mess on 3.890 this past winter you would understand the rest of my comments. Normally around 4:30 some AM stations in my area would start operating on 3.890 and be there continuously until near 10:30 or so. There were a group of hams in another part of the country that decided to move to 3.890 and seemed to think it was their frequency. Because they lacked respect for those of us in 5 land they caused deliberate interference using numerous methods. Those methods included using SSB on frequency and using a lot of power so that I could hear some of them over the AM operator near me plus tone emissions. Some of them made comments that they would run the AM crowd off the frequency. A number of people here can attest to the problem. So in reference to your second paragraph, I have not heard or witnessed the ARRL attempting to use the OO system to mitigate the problem AM operators have by either actively engaging the offending parties nor providing information to League HQ nor providing tapes to the enforcement bureau of the FCC through that system. It is my understanding they have done that in the past and been successful when people using other modes experienced similar problems. Previously I have contacted an OO for this area requesting assistance in monitoring and recording to no avail. The ARRL should be actively engaged with helping members like me and others with our interference problems as best they can when we are operating legally. I am a member of the ARRL for several reasons, but when it comes to assistance with an interference problem they are not present. That is aggravating to me and others who are members and can be construed as uncaring. In this case, specifically, they have returned to the same proposal hoping to gain support for a small membership community without providing support to our community of AM operators. Remember I am fully aware of the support the ARRL provides for operators but in our case I feel they are falling down. I hope your understand some people are very disappointed with this stance and would welcome help in solving this and other problems. After all they do speak to the FCC about other matters and have been successful in some situations like this. Jim W5JO -----Original Message----- ***That's just not true Jim. Maybe in your area you limit yourself to three frequencies for AM, but I don't know where in the rest of the world they do that on 75/80 meters. There is absolutely no reason to limit yourself to any frequency. Actually, no one owns a frequency, so it makes no sense to even do that. You can operate AM anywhere in the phone band depending on you license class. Besides the typical 3870-3885 AM hangouts, you can find AM operating down in the Extra portion, anywhere between 3700 and 3735, around 3838, and even up around 3960. *** What kind of help do you want from the ARRL relative to AM? The ARRL is not the frequency police. If an amateur operator has consistent problems of deliberate interference, they should report it to the FCC. If an AM operator just ignores the consistent interference problem and does nothing, that's their cross to bear. Pete, wa2cwa From amradio at mailman.qth.net Fri Apr 3 20:39:43 2015 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (W4AWM via AMRadio) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 20:39:43 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Modes and such Message-ID: <1021b3.65c3582a.42508ccf@aol.com> Hi Norbert, My shack is always open and I keep a supply of ARRP publications for anyone who is interested. I really enjoy helping with the FD GOTA stations. Teaching a youngster how to send his name in code sparks an interest in many of them. I believe the Scouts still require code knowledge for one or their merit badges.While I am not a club member due to time constraints, I keep a list of local clubs with me and tell folks about them. Also who to contact for license classes. I live in a well populated area and it is possible to take an exam somewhere within reasonable driving distance at least once a month, sometimes more often than that. Many of these exams are totally FREE!. This is all a far cry from the 12 hour round trip bus ride I had to take to take my Novice and General class license tests. Unfortunately now it is becoming difficult to Elmer a youngster without another adult or several kids also being present. That audience is sometimes difficult to come by, but it did result in a father and son both taking and passing their Novice exams. I go to ham fests and notice the lack of young hams but there are a ton of older ones, many for whom code was a stumbling block and others who are getting into the hobby now that they are retired and have time. Yeah, I have a TR-7 and it i fun to be able to hop on any frequency without having to tweak anything but an antenna tuner, but I also have a working Viking Ranger, Viking II, Apache and SB-10 and enjoy band hopping with them as much as I enjoy the TR-7. My only foray into the digital world ham radio wise is PSK-31. The only thing it taught me was a love of QRP operation. I frequently run up on forks who can't even connect their computer to a monitor, mouse and keyboard. I don't think I have an elitist attitude. I'd like to see the ham population double. I just think the exam should cover a bit of everything since some new ops might just develop an interest in the way things were. Remember, in strength, there is power and we are going to need that powermore than ever as time goes on. 73, John, W4AWM From w5jo at brightok.net Fri Apr 3 20:42:53 2015 From: w5jo at brightok.net (Jim Wilhite) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 19:42:53 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] The more things change Message-ID: The more they stay the same. Check this out and be sure to read about the application. Jim W5JO https://www.gmail.com/mail/help/promos/tap/index.html From DonC at martineer.net Fri Apr 3 20:58:06 2015 From: DonC at martineer.net (Don Cunningham) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2015 19:58:06 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] The more things change In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <551F371E.5060504@martineer.net> What's next then, Jim, the "No Code" tap??? :-) 73, Don, WB5HAK On 4/3/2015 7:42 PM, Jim Wilhite wrote: > The more they stay the same. Check this out and be sure to read about the application. > > Jim > W5JO > > https://www.gmail.com/mail/help/promos/tap/index.html > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > From k9cox at charter.net Fri Apr 3 20:59:07 2015 From: k9cox at charter.net (k9cox at charter.net) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 00:59:07 +0000 Subject: [AMRadio] =?utf-8?q?The_more_things_change?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.cnet.com/news/google-tap-tries-to-april-fool-with-gmail-a-la-morse-code/ Sent from Windows Mail From: Jim Wilhite Sent: ?Friday?, ?April? ?3?, ?2015 ?7?:?42? ?PM To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service The more they stay the same. Check this out and be sure to read about the application. Jim W5JO https://www.gmail.com/mail/help/promos/tap/index.html ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From w5jo at brightok.net Fri Apr 3 21:26:24 2015 From: w5jo at brightok.net (Jim Wilhite) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 20:26:24 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] The more things change In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <75DD5582550241278F2C8E7EB5DF4386@JimPC> But don?t you love it???? From: k9cox at charter.net http://www.cnet.com/news/google-tap-tries-to-april-fool-with-gmail-a-la-morse-code/ From adrianjamesflynn at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 21:53:54 2015 From: adrianjamesflynn at gmail.com (Adrian Flynn) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 21:53:54 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Our Moderator posted the band plan opportunity back inMarch In-Reply-To: References: <551EEAEF.7000201@comcast.net> Message-ID: I completely agree with you Jim! ARRL could not care less about helping ALL operator's all they care about is NEW technology! Ancient Mariners AM is not to be TOLERATED on ANY BAND! 72 Adrian KF7DYU On Apr 3, 2015 4:10 PM, "Jim Wilhite" wrote: > I urge all of you to familiarize yourselves with the subject and post your > thoughts on the subject at the ARRL website. > > After the proposal was released, I regularly tuned the digital bands in > question and cannot see a rational reason to change the present > allocations, but that is my assessment. The only time I witnessed > interference was during contests. > > The situation for AM operators is much different. We limit our operation > to 3 frequencies on 80 meters by choice, mostly because if we attempt to > operate other places we are subject to massive interference from other > stations. That interference is much worse than what any digital operator > must face. > > I do not see the ARRL proposing any help for AM. I do not see the ARRL > providing help in finding those who purposely interfere and help bring them > to justice, if interference happens the AM community simply must ignore the > problem. Yet the FCC has and will pursue SSB operators who cause > interference to other SSB operators. I am unaware of any prosecution of > digital operators for interference, maybe because of the narrow width > characteristic of the mode they do not interfere with each other as much. > > But if the ARRL truly represents all amateurs maybe someone could persuade > them to help us and show the same interest as they have the digital > operators with this proposal. > > Jim > W5JO > > > -----Original Message----- > This is where you get your say! > > It is also setup in a manner that only registers YOUR input *ONCE*! > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From k4kyv at charter.net Fri Apr 3 22:57:51 2015 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 21:57:51 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] The FCC's "Ham Guy" to Retire on April 3 Message-ID: <000901d06e83$23c441e0$6b4cc5a0$@charter.net> > The OM was against CW.? Go back and read the old screeds by him about > the "newfangled CW." > Rob K5UJ That was in reference to spark vs CW. "CW" means continuous wave, not limited to Morse telegraphy. Spark was a damped wave and therefore not continuous, whose decrement was a function of the Q of the antenna and transmitter coupling circuits. AM and FM are forms of CW since they transmit with a continuous carrier wave. In ham jargon, "CW" for Morse code radiotelegraphy is actually a misnomer, but it caught on and with popular usage became the standard term, which soon spread to other services beyond amateur radio. Don k4kyv --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From mikebracey at att.net Sat Apr 4 00:14:37 2015 From: mikebracey at att.net (Mike Bracey) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 04:14:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] Radio Operators In-Reply-To: <551F04AB.2060905@comcast.net> References: <551F04AB.2060905@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1448728089.19514.1428120877843.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> ?Bob and Norb, Thank you for your kind replies. I really don't mean to sound like poor little me. Bob, over the years you have answered questions and I have received help from Don K4KYV. There a lot of gentlemen on the AM boards. Once I asked a question on another board and the first reply I received was " I can tell from your call sign that you know nothing about radio".?And then a few comments about us no code hams. I turned away from radio for a while but finally came back. I came to realize that some guys have forgotten that they weren't born with knowledge. I am working on learning code because I'm really intrigued with CW. 73, Mike / KE5YTV? From k4kyv at charter.net Sat Apr 4 00:23:14 2015 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 23:23:14 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 135, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001f01d06e8f$11bcf800$3536e800$@charter.net> > From: > Roughly ten years ago the ARRL tried to do just that with RM-11306, band allocations by bandwidth, > which could have segregated a lot of digital stuff into only specific places in each > amateur band. Too much misinformation floating around and pressure forced them to retract the proposal. > At the same time, there was the really dumb proposal, RM-11305, "formulated" by seven amateurs, > basically asking that all regulations and restrictions of who-does-what-where, within a > license class be totally removed. Anywhere you set your dial, you would be free to operate any mode > with any bandwidth you wanted. Fortunately, that one was retracted too. > Pete, wa2cwa RM-11306 was a re-hash of the infamous Docket 20777, which would have outlawed AM on all amateur frequencies below 28.5 MHz, by imposing a strict 3.5 kHz limit on occupied bandwidth. One difference was that the League proposal suggested a bandwidth limit based on NECESSARY bandwidth rather than OCCUPIED bandwidth, plus they included a special FOOTNOTE to specifically accommodate AM. Problem is, when a rulemaking petition is submitted to the FCC, there is no guarantee they will act on it exactly as the petitioner proposed; sometimes the NPRM eventually issued is far different from the original petition. In fact, it may be quite the opposite of what the petitioner intended. So there is no guarantee that the FCC would have gone along with the "necessary" bandwidth standard and not adopt the more strict "occupied" bandwidth standard. Even if the rulemaking had passed exactly as originally proposed, relegating AM to a mere footnote defining it as an EXCEPTION to a general standard based on SSB practice would have left us in a precarious position, since a footnote can very easily be deleted with little fanfare. RM-11305 merely proposed to bring the US amateur band structure in line with those of nearly every other nation in the world, and I doubt if other countries see their amateur regulations as "dumb" or think that ours are more intelligent than their own. Our complex system of sub-bands and sub-bands is the exception; even Canada, right next door, adopted a similar change and eliminated their sub-bands many years ago. Even here in the US the plan as proposed in RM-11305 has existed on 160m ever since the band was (almost) fully restored to amateurs in the early 1980s, and for more than 30 years now it seems to have worked pretty well. In fact, the FCC denied a petition several years ago by a group of amateurs who wanted to extend sub-band segmentation to that band. Don k4kyv --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From w3umx at epix.net Sat Apr 4 09:49:34 2015 From: w3umx at epix.net (w3umx at epix.net) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 13:49:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] Modes and such In-Reply-To: <1428094194.92448.YahooMailBasic@web160602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1428094194.92448.YahooMailBasic@web160602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1079360889.125072.1428155374756.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I noticed the same thing in the QST correspondence.? It seems to me that the letters are carefully picked to put?arrl in a good light. Joe, w3umx in Pa. On Friday, April 3, 2015 3:50 PM, CL in NC via AMRadio wrote: Well, this is a discussion type that usually gets out of hand.? There is room in this hobby for many pursuits.? Mine do not have anything to do with typing on a computer hooked to a radio, but I did run RTTY in the late 60's and early seventies with all homebrew gear and a temperamental TTY machine, which I still have functioning.? That was a challenge to me.? A laptop, cable, and a radio with no knobs is quite boring. Would seem that we need a catch all rule similar to the firearms Curio and Relic designation, and apply it to radio.? If you are using vintage gear, you? are held to the standards established when the gear was new, not current, as long as you are not a pest. A friend gave me a bunch of CQ mags from the 60's and I have had fun reading a lot of articles and looking at the ads.? Reading the comments sent to CQ back then, I realized there is one thing missing in QST's Correspondence from Members section lately, well worded arguments against things that the ARRL does that folks have problems with.? Something that was present in the olden days.? I have sent a couple I thought were fairly balanced and never heard anything back.? We seem to rely on all our thinking to come from a small town in Connecticut who represent approximately 23% of hams who are their membership. Charlie, W4MEC in NC ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From ne1s at securespeed.us Sat Apr 4 11:14:58 2015 From: ne1s at securespeed.us (Larry Szendrei) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:14:58 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Radio Operators In-Reply-To: <551FCF91.3020003@securespeed.us> References: <551F04AB.2060905@comcast.net> <1448728089.19514.1428120877843.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <551FCF91.3020003@securespeed.us> Message-ID: <551FFFF2.4050702@securespeed.us> On 4/4/15 12:14 AM, Mike Bracey wrote: > Bob and Norb, > Thank you for your kind replies. I really don't mean to sound like > poor little me. Bob, over the years you have answered questions and I > have received help from Don K4KYV. There a lot of gentlemen on the AM > boards. Once I asked a question on another board and the first reply I > received was " I can tell from your call sign that you know nothing > about radio". And then a few comments about us no code hams. I turned > away from radio for a while but finally came back. I came to realize > that some guys have forgotten that they weren't born with knowledge. I > am working on learning code because I'm really intrigued with CW. > Mike, learning the code is challenging, frustrating, rewarding, worthwhile, and fun! I got my licenses before no-code, and started with the Novice, so if I wanted to get on the air at all, code was it until I upgraded. I wish the that requirement was still in place, but of course it's irrational and stupid to hold anyone who entered amateur radio after the Morse code requirement responsible for the change, or think any less of any of them on that basis. I do think the people who entered the hobby after the code requirement was eliminated who never explore it on their own are missing out on a rewarding endeavor. These days about 95% or more of my operating is on AM, but there are a few operating events in which I participate every year that are CW-only. In the winter I get nostalgic and operate more CW. All CW operation is with fairly crude homebrew stuff, as it doesn't "float my boat" to operate CW with a factory-made rig, whether we're talking about a TS-440S or Johnson Viking I (but that's just me). In the end this is a hobby, there is a multitude of ways to enjoy it. As long as we respect each others' right to enjoy the amateur radio as each of us desires and operate accordingly, it's all good. Glad you're one of us, Mike! 73, -Larry/NE1S From rbethman at comcast.net Sat Apr 4 12:01:40 2015 From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2015 12:01:40 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Radio Operators In-Reply-To: <551FFFF2.4050702@securespeed.us> References: <551F04AB.2060905@comcast.net> <1448728089.19514.1428120877843.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <551FCF91.3020003@securespeed.us> <551FFFF2.4050702@securespeed.us> Message-ID: <55200AE4.4040401@comcast.net> Larry, I really need to get out the straight key, get back my "ear" for CW, and go back to CW operation. I got caught up in strictly AM. Guess I can get the old 35wpm back if I work at it again! I always did enjoy real "rag chewing" with CW. Regards, Bob - N0DGN On 4/4/2015 11:14 AM, Larry Szendrei wrote: > > Mike, learning the code is challenging, frustrating, rewarding, > worthwhile, and fun! I got my licenses before no-code, and started > with the Novice, so if I wanted to get on the air at all, code was it > until I upgraded. I wish the that requirement was still in place, but > of course it's irrational and stupid to hold anyone who entered > amateur radio after the Morse code requirement responsible for the > change, or think any less of any of them on that basis. I do think the > people who entered the hobby after the code requirement was eliminated > who never explore it on their own are missing out on a rewarding > endeavor. > > These days about 95% or more of my operating is on AM, but there are a > few operating events in which I participate every year that are > CW-only. In the winter I get nostalgic and operate more CW. All CW > operation is with fairly crude homebrew stuff, as it doesn't "float my > boat" to operate CW with a factory-made rig, whether we're talking > about a TS-440S or Johnson Viking I (but that's just me). > > In the end this is a hobby, there is a multitude of ways to enjoy it. > As long as we respect each others' right to enjoy the amateur radio as > each of us desires and operate accordingly, it's all good. > > Glad you're one of us, Mike! > > 73, > -Larry/NE1S From amradio at mailman.qth.net Sat Apr 4 17:22:16 2015 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (Bill Guyger via AMRadio) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 21:22:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] The more things change In-Reply-To: <75DD5582550241278F2C8E7EB5DF4386@JimPC> References: <75DD5582550241278F2C8E7EB5DF4386@JimPC> Message-ID: <354384678.279810.1428182536197.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> What a hoot! Bill ? From: Jim Wilhite To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Sent: Friday, April 3, 2015 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The more things change But don?t you love it???? From: k9cox at charter.net http://www.cnet.com/news/google-tap-tries-to-april-fool-with-gmail-a-la-morse-code/ ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From amradio at mailman.qth.net Sun Apr 5 00:30:07 2015 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (Bill Guyger via AMRadio) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 04:30:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] Radio Operators In-Reply-To: <551F04AB.2060905@comcast.net> References: <551F04AB.2060905@comcast.net> Message-ID: <803720495.385216.1428208207748.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Mike Same here, welcome. If you go to a major Ham meet, you'll notice?that most of the attendees are older guys. Unfortunately a lot of them are suffering from Old Fatrism, some?extremely so,?and start kicking and screaming and throwing a tantrum just like they did when they were kids when?other people don't do things or say things the same way that they do. You also run into a heaping helping of?know-it-allism?though that's not a ham exclusive. You just have to keep your head up and do your thing and don't get discouraged. No matter how much these types carp, the?Earth has not come to a screeching halt and the stars are still up there going twinkle twinkle. Bill AD5OL ? From: rbethman To: amradio at mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, April 3, 2015 4:22 PM Subject: [AMRadio] Radio Operators Mike, Welcome to The realm of Amateur Radio Operators! Personally, I accept *YOU* into the community! I did have to take the code test.? However, I do *not* hold it against anyone whom didn't have to! I managed to squeeze in getting licensed during service to Uncle Sam. That goes back to 1980.? I managed my Novice in June, then took the drive to Atlanta on 31 Oct 1980. I had no problem with the tests, either written or code. I had managed to get enough time on the air to get my code up to 35WPM with a Nye-Viking straight key.? [ Yes, it was work at first.? Then it simply became second nature! ] I no longer have the herd of Boat Anchors that I once had. Physically I am no longer able to deal with heavy transmitters and receivers. I do have two receivers that I will keep as long as I operate. One is a Northern Radio Variant SP-600.? The second was an absolute fluke!? One individual posted on THIS list regarding a receiver that I thought I'd never get my hands on. I jumped on it in Spring of 2013.? It is a wonderful HRO-50-T1. I spent hours going through the re-capping and alignment.? It is on the bench again to *finally* replace the out of spec resistors that are tied to any grid. I now operate a "Plastic Radio", not by choice, but by physical limitation of complete spinal arthritis. You sir, are MORE than welcome to the Community! Sincerest Regards, Bob - N0DGN Manassas, VA On 4/3/2015 4:49 PM, Mike Bracey wrote: > Hi Norb, > After reading your email I felt inclined to reply. In 1963 I was in junior high and became interested in SWL I found an SX28 and built a couple of 30' wooden poles and put up a homebrew dipole. I loved it and became interested In ham radio. I tried to teach myself code but due to school band and other things I never made it. In high school I took electronics and have restored old radios and jukeboxes for years. After I retired I decided to finally get my license. My interest has always been boat anchors and AM. Well, to my surprise I found that the code test was no longer required. I quickly passed the Tech test and then the General. I have a house full of boat anchors now that I restore and enjoy. Life is good. Imagine my surprise to find that I'll never be excepted because I'm a "no code ham". And we no code hams are nothing but appliance operators. I've read on about every web forum how sorry we are and don't deserve to be here because we are third class citizens. Hams t hat I met as a teenager were the nicest guys that you would ever want to know. I wonder what has happened to this hobby over the years. A lot of the old timers wonder why the hobby seems to be declining. Maybe they should ask themselves what they have done to promote it. I generally lurk on these forums because If I ask a question I may be derided as a stupid no code ham.Alright, I'll get off my soapbox and get back in my place. > Mike / KE5YTV ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From cw_de_n5op at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 5 13:47:11 2015 From: cw_de_n5op at sbcglobal.net (Kim Elmore) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2015 12:47:11 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Radio Operators In-Reply-To: <803720495.385216.1428208207748.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <551F04AB.2060905@comcast.net> <803720495.385216.1428208207748.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5521751F.4080209@sbcglobal.net> I'll second what Bill, Bob and I'm sure some others have said off-list: Welcome! You'll no doubt hear that you aren't a Real Ham until you've made your own vacuum tubes, variable capacitors, built all your own gear and calibrated it with your own home-brewed rubidium standard with a 6C4 output buffer amp. Ham radio is a broad activity and there's room for everyone. I've been licecensed since only 1971 and I've known good CW ops that were hopeless when it came to theory and repairing their own gear. I've run into far too many who are true lids on 'fone and who never use CW while bemoaning how the CW test makes for better operators. But the truth is that the vast majority of us are good people, willing to help anyone who needs it do anything they want. There's a lot of expertise in this group that goes far beyond boat-anchor AM gear. Please take advantage of it and pay no attention to the few, rare, hopeless Olde Fahrts that show up from time to time. 74, Kim N5OP On 4/4/2015 11:30 PM, Bill Guyger via AMRadio wrote: > Mike > Same here, welcome. If you go to a major Ham meet, you'll notice that most of the attendees are older guys. Unfortunately a lot of them are suffering from Old Fatrism, some extremely so, and start kicking and screaming and throwing a tantrum just like they did when they were kids when other people don't do things or say things the same way that they do. You also run into a heaping helping of know-it-allism though that's not a ham exclusive. You just have to keep your head up and do your thing and don't get discouraged. > No matter how much these types carp, the Earth has not come to a screeching halt and the stars are still up there going twinkle twinkle. > Bill AD5OL > From: rbethman > To: amradio at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Friday, April 3, 2015 4:22 PM > Subject: [AMRadio] Radio Operators > > Mike, > > Welcome to The realm of Amateur Radio Operators! > > Personally, I accept *YOU* into the community! > > I did have to take the code test. However, I do *not* hold it against > anyone whom didn't have to! > > I managed to squeeze in getting licensed during service to Uncle Sam. > > That goes back to 1980. I managed my Novice in June, then took the > drive to Atlanta on 31 Oct 1980. > > I had no problem with the tests, either written or code. > > I had managed to get enough time on the air to get my code up to 35WPM > with a Nye-Viking straight key. [ Yes, it was work at first. Then it > simply became second nature! ] > > I no longer have the herd of Boat Anchors that I once had. > > Physically I am no longer able to deal with heavy transmitters and > receivers. > > I do have two receivers that I will keep as long as I operate. One is a > Northern Radio Variant SP-600. The second was an absolute fluke! One > individual posted on THIS list regarding a receiver that I thought I'd > never get my hands on. > > I jumped on it in Spring of 2013. It is a wonderful HRO-50-T1. > > I spent hours going through the re-capping and alignment. It is on the > bench again to *finally* replace the out of spec resistors that are tied > to any grid. > > I now operate a "Plastic Radio", not by choice, but by physical > limitation of complete spinal arthritis. > > You sir, are MORE than welcome to the Community! > > Sincerest Regards, Bob - N0DGN > Manassas, VA > > > > > > On 4/3/2015 4:49 PM, Mike Bracey wrote: >> Hi Norb, >> After reading your email I felt inclined to reply. In 1963 I was in junior high and became interested in SWL I found an SX28 and built a couple of 30' wooden poles and put up a homebrew dipole. I loved it and became interested In ham radio. I tried to teach myself code but due to school band and other things I never made it. In high school I took electronics and have restored old radios and jukeboxes for years. After I retired I decided to finally get my license. My interest has always been boat anchors and AM. Well, to my surprise I found that the code test was no longer required. I quickly passed the Tech test and then the General. I have a house full of boat anchors now that I restore and enjoy. Life is good. Imagine my surprise to find that I'll never be excepted because I'm a "no code ham". And we no code hams are nothing but appliance operators. I've read on about every web forum how sorry we are and don't deserve to be here because we are third class citizens. Hams t > hat I met as a teenager were the nicest guys that you would ever want to know. I wonder what has happened to this hobby over the years. A lot of the old timers wonder why the hobby seems to be declining. Maybe they should ask themselves what they have done to promote it. I generally lurk on these forums because If I ask a question I may be derided as a stupid no code ham.Alright, I'll get off my soapbox and get back in my place. >> Mike / KE5YTV > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Kim Elmore, Ph.D. (Adj. Assoc. Prof., OU School of Meteorology, CCM, PP SEL/MEL/Glider, N5OP, 2nd Class Radiotelegraph, GROL) /"In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is." //? Attributed to many people; it?s so true that it doesn?t matter who said it./ From danyoder.cs at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 13:52:00 2015 From: danyoder.cs at gmail.com (Dan Yoder) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 13:52:00 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Radio Operators In-Reply-To: <5521751F.4080209@sbcglobal.net> References: <551F04AB.2060905@comcast.net> <803720495.385216.1428208207748.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5521751F.4080209@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <32B17E92-E441-4427-B29A-7F7EB6978D54@gmail.com> Remember the old farts are people too just stuck in an era that they refuse to leave viva to the old farts tubes are us Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 5, 2015, at 1:47 PM, Kim Elmore wrote: > > I'll second what Bill, Bob and I'm sure some others have said off-list: Welcome! > > You'll no doubt hear that you aren't a Real Ham until you've made your own vacuum tubes, variable capacitors, built all your own gear and calibrated it with your own home-brewed rubidium standard with a 6C4 output buffer amp. Ham radio is a broad activity and there's room for everyone. I've been licecensed since only 1971 and I've known good CW ops that were hopeless when it came to theory and repairing their own gear. I've run into far too many who are true lids on 'fone and who never use CW while bemoaning how the CW test makes for better operators. But the truth is that the vast majority of us are good people, willing to help anyone who needs it do anything they want. > > There's a lot of expertise in this group that goes far beyond boat-anchor AM gear. Please take advantage of it and pay no attention to the few, rare, hopeless Olde Fahrts that show up from time to time. > > 74, > > Kim N5OP > >> On 4/4/2015 11:30 PM, Bill Guyger via AMRadio wrote: >> Mike >> Same here, welcome. If you go to a major Ham meet, you'll notice that most of the attendees are older guys. Unfortunately a lot of them are suffering from Old Fatrism, some extremely so, and start kicking and screaming and throwing a tantrum just like they did when they were kids when other people don't do things or say things the same way that they do. You also run into a heaping helping of know-it-allism though that's not a ham exclusive. You just have to keep your head up and do your thing and don't get discouraged. >> No matter how much these types carp, the Earth has not come to a screeching halt and the stars are still up there going twinkle twinkle. >> Bill AD5OL >> From: rbethman >> To: amradio at mailman.qth.net >> Sent: Friday, April 3, 2015 4:22 PM >> Subject: [AMRadio] Radio Operators >> Mike, >> >> Welcome to The realm of Amateur Radio Operators! >> >> Personally, I accept *YOU* into the community! >> >> I did have to take the code test. However, I do *not* hold it against >> anyone whom didn't have to! >> >> I managed to squeeze in getting licensed during service to Uncle Sam. >> >> That goes back to 1980. I managed my Novice in June, then took the >> drive to Atlanta on 31 Oct 1980. >> >> I had no problem with the tests, either written or code. >> >> I had managed to get enough time on the air to get my code up to 35WPM >> with a Nye-Viking straight key. [ Yes, it was work at first. Then it >> simply became second nature! ] >> >> I no longer have the herd of Boat Anchors that I once had. >> >> Physically I am no longer able to deal with heavy transmitters and >> receivers. >> >> I do have two receivers that I will keep as long as I operate. One is a >> Northern Radio Variant SP-600. The second was an absolute fluke! One >> individual posted on THIS list regarding a receiver that I thought I'd >> never get my hands on. >> >> I jumped on it in Spring of 2013. It is a wonderful HRO-50-T1. >> >> I spent hours going through the re-capping and alignment. It is on the >> bench again to *finally* replace the out of spec resistors that are tied >> to any grid. >> >> I now operate a "Plastic Radio", not by choice, but by physical >> limitation of complete spinal arthritis. >> >> You sir, are MORE than welcome to the Community! >> >> Sincerest Regards, Bob - N0DGN >> Manassas, VA >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 4/3/2015 4:49 PM, Mike Bracey wrote: >>> Hi Norb, >>> After reading your email I felt inclined to reply. In 1963 I was in junior high and became interested in SWL I found an SX28 and built a couple of 30' wooden poles and put up a homebrew dipole. I loved it and became interested In ham radio. I tried to teach myself code but due to school band and other things I never made it. In high school I took electronics and have restored old radios and jukeboxes for years. After I retired I decided to finally get my license. My interest has always been boat anchors and AM. Well, to my surprise I found that the code test was no longer required. I quickly passed the Tech test and then the General. I have a house full of boat anchors now that I restore and enjoy. Life is good. Imagine my surprise to find that I'll never be excepted because I'm a "no code ham". And we no code hams are nothing but appliance operators. I've read on about every web forum how sorry we are and don't deserve to be here because we are third class citizens. Hams t >> hat I met as a teenager were the nicest guys that you would ever want to know. I wonder what has happened to this hobby over the years. A lot of the old timers wonder why the hobby seems to be declining. Maybe they should ask themselves what they have done to promote it. I generally lurk on these forums because If I ask a question I may be derided as a stupid no code ham.Alright, I'll get off my soapbox and get back in my place. >>> Mike / KE5YTV >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >> AMRadio mailing list >> Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ >> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >> Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net >> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with >> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >> AMRadio mailing list >> Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ >> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >> Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net >> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with >> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > -- > > Kim Elmore, Ph.D. (Adj. Assoc. Prof., OU School of Meteorology, CCM, PP SEL/MEL/Glider, N5OP, 2nd Class Radiotelegraph, GROL) > > /"In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is." //? Attributed to many people; it?s so true that it doesn?t matter who said it./ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From amradio at mailman.qth.net Sun Apr 5 14:00:19 2015 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (CL in NC via AMRadio) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 11:00:19 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] Vol 35, Issue 11 Message-ID: <1428256819.27496.YahooMailBasic@web160605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I get the emails in digest format. This last issue is a prime example of folks who reply to emails and do not remove the rest of the original email from their reply. One tangled mess of reruns and hard to pick out what the commenter is wanting to say. de W4MEC From rbethman at comcast.net Sun Apr 5 14:05:18 2015 From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2015 14:05:18 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Radio Operators In-Reply-To: <32B17E92-E441-4427-B29A-7F7EB6978D54@gmail.com> References: <551F04AB.2060905@comcast.net> <803720495.385216.1428208207748.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5521751F.4080209@sbcglobal.net> <32B17E92-E441-4427-B29A-7F7EB6978D54@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5521795E.70806@comcast.net> Dan, People like Kim, Myself, and others don't have any objection to those stuck in an era of Tubes and the like. I still have my SP-600 and HRO-50-T1! I simply could NOT handle the *mass* of a BC-610/T-213 any longer due to the entire spinal column arthritis. Note: My TS-2000 feeds an Amp Supply LK-500ZB. As I have noted, I do not wish to "live" on taking Opiates to dampen the dang pain! That was my *only* reason for having the Heavy Metal leave here. If I could still manage it, I'd have the two old Beasts here and on-line. Regards, Bob - N0DGN On 4/5/2015 1:52 PM, Dan Yoder wrote: > Remember the old farts are people too just stuck in an era that they refuse to leave viva to the old farts tubes are us > > Sent from my iPhone From oldradio at comcast.net Sun Apr 5 14:11:12 2015 From: oldradio at comcast.net (oldradio at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 18:11:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] Radio Operators In-Reply-To: <32B17E92-E441-4427-B29A-7F7EB6978D54@gmail.com> References: <551F04AB.2060905@comcast.net> <803720495.385216.1428208207748.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5521751F.4080209@sbcglobal.net> <32B17E92-E441-4427-B29A-7F7EB6978D54@gmail.com> Message-ID: <712388834.20667754.1428257472078.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> It sounds like some of you are describing yourselves [new farts thinking old farts] without checking your mirror first. Better watch out, time has a way of catching up to you. 73, John, K2TQN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Yoder" To: "Kim Elmore" Cc: amradio at mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 1:52:00 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Radio Operators Remember the old farts are people too just stuck in an era that they refuse to leave viva to the old farts tubes are us ...etc, etc, etc............... From kj4hyd at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 14:11:38 2015 From: kj4hyd at gmail.com (Kevin Raper) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 14:11:38 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Radio Operators In-Reply-To: <5521795E.70806@comcast.net> References: <551F04AB.2060905@comcast.net> <803720495.385216.1428208207748.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5521751F.4080209@sbcglobal.net> <32B17E92-E441-4427-B29A-7F7EB6978D54@gmail.com> <5521795E.70806@comcast.net> Message-ID: <9A0F06AA-5ED7-4C20-8D2F-144CBB49363C@gmail.com> > On Apr 5, 2015, at 2:05 PM, rbethman wrote: > > People like Kim, Myself, and others don't have any objection to those stuck in an era of Tubes and the like. Now I do LOVE operating with my old Home-Brew and Converted Broadcast Heavy Metal, such as my beloved Gates BC-500H, but I also enjoy my Chi-Com HTs that there is no way I could possibly come close to making. 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ WLTQ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From rbethman at comcast.net Sun Apr 5 14:29:52 2015 From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2015 14:29:52 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Radio Operators In-Reply-To: <712388834.20667754.1428257472078.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <551F04AB.2060905@comcast.net> <803720495.385216.1428208207748.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5521751F.4080209@sbcglobal.net> <32B17E92-E441-4427-B29A-7F7EB6978D54@gmail.com> <712388834.20667754.1428257472078.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <55217F20.50806@comcast.net> John, I have indeed looking into the mirror! I just had to make a concession to the Heavy Metal Transmitters. The arthritis makes it no dang fun if I have to move 400Lbs on a moving man dolly on a carpeted Den/Shack. As noted earlier - I do not wish to "live" on opiates! They are the *only* thing that takes the intensity of the pain down to a level that is within toleration. All the supposedly grand anti-inflammatory medications now tear up the GI tract. Therefore I made that *one* concession. I keep the SP-600 in a rack that has wheels under it. The HRO-50-T1 will most likely end up there also, once I get all the resistors for all grids replaced. It was re-capped in 2013. I finally ordered the carbon composition resistors via Mouser. They await installation. Regards, Bob - N0DGN (I've never been this old before!) On 4/5/2015 2:11 PM, oldradio at comcast.net wrote: > It sounds like some of you are describing yourselves [new farts thinking old farts] without checking your mirror first. Better watch out, time has a way of catching up to you. > > 73, John, K2TQN From danyoder.cs at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 14:39:32 2015 From: danyoder.cs at gmail.com (Dan Yoder) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 14:39:32 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Radio Operators In-Reply-To: <5521795E.70806@comcast.net> References: <551F04AB.2060905@comcast.net> <803720495.385216.1428208207748.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5521751F.4080209@sbcglobal.net> <32B17E92-E441-4427-B29A-7F7EB6978D54@gmail.com> <5521795E.70806@comcast.net> Message-ID: I was just kidding. To tell you the truth I like the tube era stuff because it is easier to work on and for me to understand . An IC with a complete amp on board or a am radio imbedded just does not turn me on Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 5, 2015, at 2:05 PM, rbethman wrote: > > Dan, > > People like Kim, Myself, and others don't have any objection to those stuck in an era of Tubes and the like. > > I still have my SP-600 and HRO-50-T1! > > I simply could NOT handle the *mass* of a BC-610/T-213 any longer due to the entire spinal column arthritis. > > Note: My TS-2000 feeds an Amp Supply LK-500ZB. > > As I have noted, I do not wish to "live" on taking Opiates to dampen the dang pain! > > That was my *only* reason for having the Heavy Metal leave here. If I could still manage it, I'd have the two old Beasts here and on-line. > > Regards, Bob - N0DGN > >> On 4/5/2015 1:52 PM, Dan Yoder wrote: >> Remember the old farts are people too just stuck in an era that they refuse to leave viva to the old farts tubes are us >> >> Sent from my iPhone > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From cw_de_n5op at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 5 14:51:43 2015 From: cw_de_n5op at sbcglobal.net (Kim Elmore) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2015 13:51:43 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Radio Operators In-Reply-To: <712388834.20667754.1428257472078.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <551F04AB.2060905@comcast.net> <803720495.385216.1428208207748.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5521751F.4080209@sbcglobal.net> <32B17E92-E441-4427-B29A-7F7EB6978D54@gmail.com> <712388834.20667754.1428257472078.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5521843F.60700@sbcglobal.net> Perhaps; I'm certainly open to that possibility! There are certainly some activities I don't do, not necessarily out of a lack of interest but rather lack of time: I'm still a working stiff and will be at least until my kids are out of college. I love my WRL Globe Champ 350 and my Hammarlund HQ-170, my Kenwood TS-930S and TenTec Orion II, along with my AL-1200 and souped-up AL-80A. I enjoy RTTY and the various digital modes from time to time but prefer mostly CW. VHF/UHF FM is marvelous way to stay in touch with other locals, a must for local emergency communications, a boon to the national weather service, and pleasant while mobile. I get paid to work with citizen science data collection with smart phones for meteorological research (check out http://mping.nssl.noaa.gov/ if you're interested in learning more about that), ensemble numerical forecast models, compute-intensive machine-learning statistical classifiers, help develop algorithms for dual-polarization S-band weather radars, will be out on an intensive meteorological field program this summer with some ham gear along with the official VHF comms gear (we'll be based out of Hays, KS), own and fly an 1946 Cessna 140 (one of the comm antennas cut for 2 m FM and a long wire that could probably work for HF) and play classical violin well enough to be paid for it on rare occasions. I do try my best to avoid becoming "stuck" anywhere or in anything, but I'm open to criticisms that I'm getting too set in my ways and need to broaden my horizons. To that end, I suppose I do tend to favor playing Haydn quartets more than I should and so should broaden my repertoire... :) 73, Kim N5OP On 4/5/2015 1:11 PM, oldradio at comcast.net wrote: > It sounds like some of you are describing yourselves [new farts thinking old farts] without checking your mirror first. Better watch out, time has a way of catching up to you. > > 73, John, K2TQN > > // From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 14:52:57 2015 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 13:52:57 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Radio Operators In-Reply-To: References: <551F04AB.2060905@comcast.net> <803720495.385216.1428208207748.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5521751F.4080209@sbcglobal.net> <32B17E92-E441-4427-B29A-7F7EB6978D54@gmail.com> <5521795E.70806@comcast.net> Message-ID: you can sure tell it is summer and the thunderstorm QRN is high and band condx stink now. Time wasting replies to this message will prove my point. Rob K5UJ From ne1s at securespeed.us Sun Apr 5 15:04:39 2015 From: ne1s at securespeed.us (Larry Szendrei) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2015 15:04:39 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Radio Operators In-Reply-To: <5521843F.60700@sbcglobal.net> References: <551F04AB.2060905@comcast.net> <803720495.385216.1428208207748.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5521751F.4080209@sbcglobal.net> <32B17E92-E441-4427-B29A-7F7EB6978D54@gmail.com> <712388834.20667754.1428257472078.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <5521843F.60700@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <55218747.3020003@securespeed.us> On 4/5/15 2:51 PM, Kim Elmore wrote: > There are certainly some activities I don't do, not necessarily out of > a lack of interest but rather lack of time: I'm still a working stiff > and will be at least until my kids are out of college. I love my WRL > Globe Champ 350 and my Hammarlund HQ-170, my Kenwood TS-930S and > TenTec Orion II, along with my AL-1200 and souped-up AL-80A. I enjoy > RTTY and the various digital modes from time to time but prefer mostly > CW. VHF/UHF FM is marvelous way to stay in touch with other locals, a > must for local emergency communications, a boon to the national > weather service, and pleasant while mobile. I get paid to work with > citizen science data collection with smart phones for meteorological > research (check out http://mping.nssl.noaa.gov/ if you're interested > in learning more about that), ensemble numerical forecast models, > compute-intensive machine-learning statistical classifiers, help > develop algorithms for dual-polarization S-band weather radars, will > be out on an intensive meteorological field program this summer with > some ham gear along with the official VHF comms gear (we'll be based > out of Hays, KS), own and fly an 1946 Cessna 140 (one of the comm > antennas cut for 2 m FM and a long wire that could probably work for > HF) and play classical violin well enough to be paid for it on rare > occasions. > Kim, you should really find a hobby to occupy your time so that you don't get bored! ;-) 73, -Larry/NE1S From amradio at mailman.qth.net Sun Apr 5 15:34:45 2015 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (Bill Guyger via AMRadio) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 14:34:45 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Radio Operators In-Reply-To: <712388834.20667754.1428257472078.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <551F04AB.2060905@comcast.net> <803720495.385216.1428208207748.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5521751F.4080209@sbcglobal.net> <32B17E92-E441-4427-B29A-7F7EB6978D54@gmail.com> <712388834.20667754.1428257472078.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: Well, I'm definitely old(ish) 67, and I love old gear, but I embrace new tech at least to some point. I don't like to have to dig through 5 menus to change what some control does but I do have a Software Defined Radio that I use for a VFO and receiver for a 813 rig out of the '55 handbook. Just because you're old and like old gear doesn't qualify you as an Old Fart. Being so set in your ways that you can't tolerate someone who isn't like you, doesn't like what you like, doesn't think like you think, etc. etc. does. And I don't think that it's necessary to be old to be an Old Fart. Some people just have this "already always" mode of thinking where things are already some way and will always be that way which leaves no room for possibility. I have 3 kids, girl-boy-girl, nurse, carrier Navy, and a cop. I see them doing things I probably wouldn't do and wonder why, but they're adults and it's a way different world than I grew up in. They're the ones who have to answer for their actions, all I can do is offer advice from a perspective of having been there done that to some extent. You all know what it was like to have your parents back seat drive after you were grown and on your own....... My comments about narrow minded hams were directed at the crowd who will not accept others that have different likes and different qualifications. You know they're out there. I'm working hard to not be one of them. It's hard sometimes, Old Fartism can sneak up on you. Hopefully I'll be able to out run it bad ankles and all. Bill AD5OL Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 5, 2015, at 1:11 PM, oldradio at comcast.net wrote: > > > It sounds like some of you are describing yourselves [new farts thinking old farts] without checking your mirror first. Better watch out, time has a way of catching up to you. > > 73, John, K2TQN > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Yoder" > To: "Kim Elmore" > Cc: amradio at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 1:52:00 PM > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Radio Operators > > Remember the old farts are people too just stuck in an era that they refuse to leave viva to the old farts tubes are us > > ...etc, etc, etc............... > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From adrianjamesflynn at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 16:15:45 2015 From: adrianjamesflynn at gmail.com (Adrian Flynn) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 16:15:45 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Vol 35, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <1428256819.27496.YahooMailBasic@web160605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1428256819.27496.YahooMailBasic@web160605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Many times it is the EMAIL program doing it, not the replier. Gmail is good at hiding previous replies and making it hard to remove them. 72 Adrian KF7DYU On Apr 5, 2015 2:00 PM, "CL in NC via AMRadio" wrote: > I get the emails in digest format. This last issue is a prime example of > folks who reply to emails and do not remove the rest of the original email > from their reply. One tangled mess of reruns and hard to pick out what the > commenter is wanting to say. > > de W4MEC > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > From rbethman at comcast.net Sun Apr 5 16:27:29 2015 From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2015 16:27:29 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Vol 35, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: References: <1428256819.27496.YahooMailBasic@web160605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <55219AB1.1040509@comcast.net> That is precisely WHY I use Thunderbird! I have control, and usually remove the excess. Alas, I am human, therefore I err! Regards, Bob - N0DGN On 4/5/2015 4:15 PM, Adrian Flynn wrote: > Many times it is the EMAIL program doing it, not the replier. > Gmail is good at hiding previous replies and making it hard to remove them. > > 72 > Adrian KF7DYU From amradio at mailman.qth.net Sun Apr 5 20:36:00 2015 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (Ed Heimbach via AMRadio) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 00:36:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] using this message board Message-ID: <51218571.268546.1428280560093.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> ?Is there a reason I can't view the conversations in sequence??I am able to read only the text as it is received, if I delete from my inbox, it is lost.?Archived material is 5 years old and older.?What happens to the recent material? ?Perpetually Perplexed in Pennsylvania, Ed, AB3HT From manualman at juno.com Sun Apr 5 21:36:23 2015 From: manualman at juno.com (manualman at juno.com) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 21:36:23 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] using this message board Message-ID: Here are the archives. They're up to date as of immediately: Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ Pete On Mon, 6 Apr 2015 00:36:00 +0000 (UTC) Ed Heimbach via AMRadio writes: > Is there a reason I can't view the conversations in sequence? I am > able to read only the text as it is received, if I delete from my > inbox, it is lost. Archived material is 5 years old and > older. What happens to the recent material? > Perpetually Perplexed in Pennsylvania, Ed, AB3HT > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net > with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From k4kyv at charter.net Mon Apr 6 00:07:04 2015 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 23:07:04 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Radio Operators Message-ID: <000901d0701f$2452fd20$6cf8f760$@charter.net> > I get the emails in digest format. This last issue is a prime example of folks who reply to emails and > do not remove the rest of the original email from their reply. One tangled mess of reruns and hard > to pick out what the commenter is wanting to say. > de W4MEC I agree wholeheartedly. I sometimes just delete the whole mess when I open a message and see the same entire freakin' digest repeated two, three or four times. > I simply could NOT handle the *mass* of a BC-610/T-213 any longer due to the entire spinal column arthritis. > The arthritis makes it no dang fun if I have to move 400Lbs on a moving man dolly on a carpeted Den/Shack. > Regards, Bob - N0DGN I just don't move mine. I built my main homebrew transmitter in 1971 and it probably weighs over 1000 lbs. The only time I ever moved it was when I relocated the shack from an upstairs bedroom to the separate building outside. The process took me almost six months. It had set in the same spot in the old shack for over twenty years and had to be dismantled, moved piece at a time with the help of my son and one of his husky friends, and then reconstructed at the new location. It has now been sitting in that same spot in the "new" shack for almost another twenty years. My converted Gates BC1-T hasn't budged an inch since I hauled it into the shack about 10 years ago, modified it and converted it to 160m. My solution to the heavy metal problem is simply to leave enough access room around a transmitter so I don't have to move it around. Someone will likely move me out in a horizontal position before either one of those transmitters is ever displaced ever a millimetre from where they are presently standing. Don k4kyv --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From chris at chriswilson.tv Mon Apr 6 08:32:06 2015 From: chris at chriswilson.tv (Chris Wilson) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 13:32:06 +0100 Subject: [AMRadio] using this message board In-Reply-To: <51218571.268546.1428280560093.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <51218571.268546.1428280560093.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <641296422.20150406133206@chriswilson.tv> Hello Ed, Monday, April 6, 2015 > ?Is there a reason I can't view the conversations in sequence??I am > able to read only the text as it is received, if I delete from my > inbox, it is lost.?Archived material is 5 years old and older.?What happens to the recent material? > ?Perpetually Perplexed in Pennsylvania, Ed, AB3HT I read forums by e-mail, if you want the best threading I have found nothing better than The Bat! e-mail client. It's quite complex, but ultra powerful. Screenshot of this forum as seen in "The Bat!" which is from https://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/ is at: http://www.chriswilson.tv/bat.jpg -- Best regards, Chris mailto:chris at chriswilson.tv From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 10:24:35 2015 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 09:24:35 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] using this message board In-Reply-To: <641296422.20150406133206@chriswilson.tv> References: <51218571.268546.1428280560093.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <641296422.20150406133206@chriswilson.tv> Message-ID: > I read forums by e-mail, if you want the best threading I have found > nothing better than The Bat! e-mail client. It's quite complex, I'm not good with complex, therefore I'm not interested. All you have to do is read the archived emails on the web: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ If you have a web browser you can do this. Nice and simple. Rob K5UJ From ka1kaq at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 14:35:01 2015 From: ka1kaq at gmail.com (Todd, KA1KAQ) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 14:35:01 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Warren Elly W1GUD SK Message-ID: I'm sorry to report that Warren lost his battle with cancer this morning and has left us. Warren was an occasional poster to the list but many will remember working him from his Tampa location where he operated a BC-610 for many years. Others from that area will remember him as a news report for the local Fox affiliate. Warren was only 64. We've lost a large number of AMers in the last few years who were in their early 60s or younger. N3DRB was in his 40s. KB3AHE was in his early 60s. KD0HG was in his early 60s. The thinning of the herd is happening far too fast. All of these guys were active AMers, on the air weekly if not daily. Hopefully we can convert some of the internet AMers into on-air AMers to fill the gaps. RIP Warren.... From amradio at mailman.qth.net Mon Apr 6 17:20:34 2015 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (John Flood via AMRadio) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 21:20:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] Warren Elly W1GUD SK In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2141405102.569385.1428355234403.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Todd, and crew... Mr Mike called me with this sad news earlier today. ?I remember listening on the R390 to what was, I think, his last checkin, to the Sat. AM mil net with the BC-610, as shortly after that I heard the 610 found a new home. ?I contacted him later that morning to tell him how good he sounded up here in "one land" and told him that I could hear in the other op's voices how happy they were to hear him on the air. ?While I've only gotten to know him in the past couple of years that I have been more involved with Near-Fest, in a strange way, I envy those of you who knew him longer as he seemed to be a true gentleman and one of the good guys. We all hoped that at the very least, his health would have held out for him to be with us at Near-Fest in a few weeks. ?As that seemed to be less likely, ?following his blog, I, as well as I'm sure others, missed him even before he was gone. John Flood KB1FQG From: "Todd, KA1KAQ" To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 2:35 PM Subject: [AMRadio] Warren Elly W1GUD SK I'm sorry to report that Warren lost his battle with cancer this morning and has left us. Warren was an occasional poster to the list but many will remember working him from his Tampa location where he operated a BC-610 for many years. Others from that area will remember him as a news report for the local Fox affiliate. Warren was only 64. We've lost a large number of AMers in the last few years who were in their early 60s or younger. N3DRB was in his 40s. KB3AHE was in his early 60s. KD0HG was in his early 60s. The thinning of the herd is happening far too fast. All of these guys were active AMers, on the air weekly if not daily. Hopefully we can convert some of the internet AMers into on-air AMers to fill the gaps. RIP Warren.... ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From w5jo at brightok.net Mon Apr 6 17:25:58 2015 From: w5jo at brightok.net (Jim Wilhite) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 16:25:58 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Warren Elly W1GUD SK In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9FEC0114DBFE4FC1AB535EF73F8F28EE@JimPC> Warren was one of the really nice guys. Sorry to hear of his passing. Jim W5JO -----Original Message----- I'm sorry to report that Warren lost his battle with cancer this morning and has left us. Warren was an occasional poster to the list but many will remember working him from his Tampa location where he operated a BC-610 for many years. Others from that area will remember him as a news report for the local Fox affiliate. Warren was only 64. We've lost a large number of AMers in the last few years who were in their early 60s or younger. N3DRB was in his 40s. KB3AHE was in his early 60s. KD0HG was in his early 60s. The thinning of the herd is happening far too fast. All of these guys were active AMers, on the air weekly if not daily. Hopefully we can convert some of the internet AMers into on-air AMers to fill the gaps. RIP Warren.... From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 19:36:54 2015 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 18:36:54 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Warren Elly W1GUD SK In-Reply-To: <9FEC0114DBFE4FC1AB535EF73F8F28EE@JimPC> References: <9FEC0114DBFE4FC1AB535EF73F8F28EE@JimPC> Message-ID: I am very sorry and unhappy to get this news. I always enjoyed working Warren and hearing his signal, one of the few that strapped the distance from southern Fla. He was a class act operator all the way. Rob K5UJ On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Jim Wilhite wrote: > Warren was one of the really nice guys. Sorry to hear of his passing. > > Jim > W5JO > > > -----Original Message----- > I'm sorry to report that Warren lost his battle with cancer this morning > and has left us. Warren was an occasional poster to the list but many will > remember working him from his Tampa location where he operated a BC-610 for > many years. Others from that area will remember him as a news report for > the local Fox affiliate. > > Warren was only 64. We've lost a large number of AMers in the last few > years who were in their early 60s or younger. N3DRB was in his 40s. KB3AHE > was in his early 60s. KD0HG was in his early 60s. The thinning of the herd > is happening far too fast. All of these guys were active AMers, on the air > weekly if not daily. Hopefully we can convert some of the internet AMers > into on-air AMers to fill the gaps. > > RIP Warren.... > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From k4kyv at charter.net Tue Apr 7 17:36:46 2015 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 16:36:46 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] "Ham Guy" Message-ID: <000f01d0717a$f317dac0$d9479040$@charter.net> > I have had people tell me that they wouldn't get into ham radio because of the > bad attitude many hams have toward new people. I wonder John how many young > people have you invited into your shack to get them interested in ham radio? How > m any classes have you taught on the subject? How many people have you > talked to on two meters inviting them to your clubs meetings? I am beginning to > think that it is you who is the problem with your "elitist" attitude. > > Norbert Sichterman > KF0XO I invite guests to my shack from time to time, but usually they have already expressed some interest in ham radio or they wouldn't be there. Family members and others lacking that interest usually are bewildered by all the clutter and "junk" piled from the floor to the ceiling, and appear so claustrophobic that they can't wait to get out of the place. Things at my shack are not exactly sparkling clean and all nice, neat and orderly. My shack probably wouldn't make the cover photo of QST. And furthermore, there isn't a computer screen, keyboard or mouse to be seen in my station. As for radio classes, 2m contacts and club meetings, most kids I came in contact with back in my school-teaching days would have found 2m CB and amateur radio clubs boring as hell, just as I always did. My 2m rig has been gathering dust on the shelf for over two decades, and just about every ham radio club meeting I ever attended bored me to tears with financial reports, reading minutes, selecting officers, and endless discussion of what the club was "going to" do, but very little of what the club "was" doing, and I never saw but a tiny few of those future projects ever get off the ground. If anything, any ham radio club or a class I ever wasted my time attending would have made it certain that any young person I brought along would never dream of becoming a licensed amateur. OTOT, I couldn't count the number of times over the years I have run into people on the air and at hamfests, people I wouldn't have known from Adam who told me that listening to me and my friends in QSO on 75m and 160m AM in past years is what first got them interested in amateur radio or what inspired them to try the AM mode. More than one who first ventured out with a crappy weak signal on a plastic radio ended up bitten by the bug and now operate a "real AM" heavy metal station they put together themselves. Maybe, instead of boring club meetings and stuffy ham radio classes, the best way to attract the kind of newcomers we would really want to see enter the hobby is to simply operate. By that I mean maintain a good attitude and operate AM regularly, with a good quality clean signal that can be easily heard and that we could take pride in, and to make every effort to keep our conversations interesting enough that aspiring newcomers would keep on listening, and to always be helpful, polite and treat fellow hams over the air the same way we would want others to treat us. Don k4kyv --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From JM at D8ALUS.NET Tue Apr 7 17:48:29 2015 From: JM at D8ALUS.NET (Jack) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 17:48:29 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] "Ham Guy" In-Reply-To: <000f01d0717a$f317dac0$d9479040$@charter.net> References: <000f01d0717a$f317dac0$d9479040$@charter.net> Message-ID: <004301d0717c$96022230$c2066690$@D8ALUS.NET> Oh boy, time to get out the popcorn and sit down to an interesting show! BTW - I'm somewhere between the two posts shown below; leaning towards Don's input. Of course, I am an official certified old fart who earned my stripes the hard way. But.... there is an SDR transceiver on the desk next to the Johnson Viking Valiant and Hallicrafters SX-101A. Not homebrew, but definitely buzzardly! -----Original Message----- From: AMRadio [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Donald Chester Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 5:37 PM To: amradio at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] "Ham Guy" > I have had people tell me that they wouldn't get into ham radio > because of the > bad attitude many hams have toward new people. I wonder John how many young > people have you invited into your shack to get them interested in ham radio? How > m any classes have you taught on the subject? How many people have you > talked to on two meters inviting them to your clubs meetings? I am beginning to > think that it is you who is the problem with your "elitist" attitude. > > Norbert Sichterman > KF0XO I invite guests to my shack from time to time, but usually they have already expressed some interest in ham radio or they wouldn't be there. Family members and others lacking that interest usually are bewildered by all the clutter and "junk" piled from the floor to the ceiling, and appear so claustrophobic that they can't wait to get out of the place. Things at my shack are not exactly sparkling clean and all nice, neat and orderly. My shack probably wouldn't make the cover photo of QST. And furthermore, there isn't a computer screen, keyboard or mouse to be seen in my station. As for radio classes, 2m contacts and club meetings, most kids I came in contact with back in my school-teaching days would have found 2m CB and amateur radio clubs boring as hell, just as I always did. My 2m rig has been gathering dust on the shelf for over two decades, and just about every ham radio club meeting I ever attended bored me to tears with financial reports, reading minutes, selecting officers, and endless discussion of what the club was "going to" do, but very little of what the club "was" doing, and I never saw but a tiny few of those future projects ever get off the ground. If anything, any ham radio club or a class I ever wasted my time attending would have made it certain that any young person I brought along would never dream of becoming a licensed amateur. OTOT, I couldn't count the number of times over the years I have run into people on the air and at hamfests, people I wouldn't have known from Adam who told me that listening to me and my friends in QSO on 75m and 160m AM in past years is what first got them interested in amateur radio or what inspired them to try the AM mode. More than one who first ventured out with a crappy weak signal on a plastic radio ended up bitten by the bug and now operate a "real AM" heavy metal station they put together themselves. Maybe, instead of boring club meetings and stuffy ham radio classes, the best way to attract the kind of newcomers we would really want to see enter the hobby is to simply operate. By that I mean maintain a good attitude and operate AM regularly, with a good quality clean signal that can be easily heard and that we could take pride in, and to make every effort to keep our conversations interesting enough that aspiring newcomers would keep on listening, and to always be helpful, polite and treat fellow hams over the air the same way we would want others to treat us. Don k4kyv --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From amradio at mailman.qth.net Tue Apr 7 19:14:05 2015 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (Norb Sichterman via AMRadio) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 23:14:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 135, Issue 15 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1707460041.1500574.1428448445828.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I invite guests to my shack from? time to time, but usually they have already expressed some interest in ham radio or they? wouldn't be there. Family members and others lacking that interest usually are bewildered by all the clutter and "junk" piled from the floor to the ceiling, and appear so claustrophobic that they can't wait to get out of the place. Things at my shack are not exactly sparkling clean and all nice, neat and orderly. My shack probably wouldn't make the cover photo of QST. And furthermore, there isn't a computer screen, keyboard or mouse to be seen in my station. As for radio classes, 2m contacts and club meetings, most kids I came in contact with back in my school-teaching days would have found 2m CB and amateur radio clubs boring as hell, just as I always did.? My 2m rig has been gathering dust on the shelf for over two decades, and just about every ham radio club meeting I ever attended bored me to tears with financial reports, reading minutes,? selecting officers, and endless discussion of what the club was "going to" do, but very little of what the club "was" doing, and I never saw but a tiny few of those future projects ever get off the ground. If anything, any ham radio club or a class I ever wasted my time attending would have made it certain that any young person I brought along would never dream of becoming a licensed amateur. OTOT, I couldn't count the number of times over the years I have run into people on the air and at hamfests, people I wouldn't have known from Adam who told me that listening to me and my friends in QSO on 75m and 160m AM in past years is what first got? them interested in amateur radio or what inspired them to try the AM mode. More than one who first ventured out with a crappy weak signal on a plastic radio ended up bitten by the bug and now operate a "real AM" heavy metal station they put together? themselves. Maybe, instead of boring club meetings and stuffy ham radio classes, the best way to attract the kind of newcomers? we would really want to see enter the hobby is to? simply operate. By that I mean maintain a good attitude and operate AM regularly, with a good quality clean signal that can be easily heard and that we could take pride in, and to make every effort to keep our conversations interesting enough that aspiring newcomers would keep on listening, and to always be helpful, polite and treat fellow hams over? the air the same way we would want others to treat us."? Don k4kyvThank you Don for making my point. As far as people aspiring to become hams by listening to the glorious melodious tones come out of your BC transmitter on 75 meters they first have to know that they exist. How do you think that will happen? SWLing as you know was the gateway for many of us to be inspired to get into ham radio, but many of the international broadcasters are going dark so there is no reason for the "multitudes" to acquire radios with multiband receivers. In fact as much as it pains me to say it, most of the interesting is on the internet which brings?me to my next point which SDR. Most people born after 1990 no nothing about "plate modulation" or have never had the joy of listening to a great transmitter on a pair of 6L6 tubes in push pull configuration. What we have are people who may not know what you have learned over 40 or 50 years as a ham or had the ability of removing a transformer and other components out of a TV set and a five tube receiver and built a station out of them. Most hams of today are geared to solid state stuff hooked to a computer. So what do we do to change that? Get on the air and talk to the same bunch of guys that don't have PTT buttons on their microphones because as soon as they throw that Plate switch they are going to talk until they get horse? Talk about boring. I can see why someone who doesn't understand anything about AM would avoid it. Most people get on AM because they want to talk to other people that share their enthusiasm about AM and learn about it, not set and listen to someone who wants to blather on about everything that has happened in their lives for the lase two weeks.As far as two meters and having your rig sitting on the shelf for the last two years I would just say to you that very statement makes me think that you?may be?an elitist. Why even make that point if it were not to say "Look at me! I?don't even talk to that bunch of?pleebs."? I have even read people here?say that the frequencies between 3.870 and 3.900 was the wasteland.Well those are my thoughts on the subject Don. They were not all directed at you but sometimes my fingers won't let me stop typing...somewhat like?sometimes people's hands don't let them let go of the mic. switch. 73NorbertKF0XO On Tuesday, April 7, 2015 3:50 PM, "amradio-request at mailman.qth.net" wrote: Send AMRadio mailing list submissions to ??? amradio at mailman.qth.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? amradio-request at mailman.qth.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? amradio-owner at mailman.qth.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of AMRadio digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Warren Elly W1GUD SK (Todd, KA1KAQ) ? 2. Re: Warren Elly W1GUD SK (John Flood via AMRadio) ? 3. Re: Warren Elly W1GUD SK (Jim Wilhite) ? 4. Re: Warren Elly W1GUD SK (Rob Atkinson) ? 5. Re: "Ham Guy" (Donald Chester) ? 6. Re: "Ham Guy" (Jack) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 14:35:01 -0400 From: "Todd, KA1KAQ" To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service ??? Subject: [AMRadio] Warren Elly W1GUD SK Message-ID: ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm sorry to report that Warren lost his battle with cancer this morning and has left us. Warren was an occasional poster to the list but many will remember working him from his Tampa location where he operated a BC-610 for many years. Others from that area will remember him as a news report for the local Fox affiliate. Warren was only 64. We've lost a large number of AMers in the last few years who were in their early 60s or younger. N3DRB was in his 40s. KB3AHE was in his early 60s. KD0HG was in his early 60s. The thinning of the herd is happening far too fast. All of these guys were active AMers, on the air weekly if not daily. Hopefully we can convert some of the internet AMers into on-air AMers to fill the gaps. RIP Warren.... ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 21:20:34 +0000 (UTC) From: John Flood via AMRadio To: "Todd, KA1KAQ" , ??? Discussion of AM Radio in the ??? Amateur Service ,??? Mister Mike ??? , NEAR-Fest Team Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Warren Elly W1GUD SK Message-ID: ??? <2141405102.569385.1428355234403.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Todd, and crew... Mr Mike called me with this sad news earlier today. ?I remember listening on the R390 to what was, I think, his last checkin, to the Sat. AM mil net with the BC-610, as shortly after that I heard the 610 found a new home. ?I contacted him later that morning to tell him how good he sounded up here in "one land" and told him that I could hear in the other op's voices how happy they were to hear him on the air. ?While I've only gotten to know him in the past couple of years that I have been more involved with Near-Fest, in a strange way, I envy those of you who knew him longer as he seemed to be a true gentleman and one of the good guys. We all hoped that at the very least, his health would have held out for him to be with us at Near-Fest in a few weeks. ?As that seemed to be less likely, ?following his blog, I, as well as I'm sure others, missed him even before he was gone. John Flood KB1FQG ? ? ? From: "Todd, KA1KAQ" To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 2:35 PM Subject: [AMRadio] Warren Elly W1GUD SK ? I'm sorry to report that Warren lost his battle with cancer this morning and has left us. Warren was an occasional poster to the list but many will remember working him from his Tampa location where he operated a BC-610 for many years. Others from that area will remember him as a news report for the local Fox affiliate. Warren was only 64. We've lost a large number of AMers in the last few years who were in their early 60s or younger. N3DRB was in his 40s. KB3AHE was in his early 60s. KD0HG was in his early 60s. The thinning of the herd is happening far too fast. All of these guys were active AMers, on the air weekly if not daily. Hopefully we can convert some of the internet AMers into on-air AMers to fill the gaps. RIP Warren.... ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ? ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 16:25:58 -0500 From: "Jim Wilhite" To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" ??? Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Warren Elly W1GUD SK Message-ID: <9FEC0114DBFE4FC1AB535EF73F8F28EE at JimPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; ??? reply-type=original Warren was one of the really nice guys.? Sorry to hear of his passing. Jim W5JO -----Original Message----- I'm sorry to report that Warren lost his battle with cancer this morning and has left us. Warren was an occasional poster to the list but many will remember working him from his Tampa location where he operated a BC-610 for many years. Others from that area will remember him as a news report for the local Fox affiliate. Warren was only 64. We've lost a large number of AMers in the last few years who were in their early 60s or younger. N3DRB was in his 40s. KB3AHE was in his early 60s. KD0HG was in his early 60s. The thinning of the herd is happening far too fast. All of these guys were active AMers, on the air weekly if not daily. Hopefully we can convert some of the internet AMers into on-air AMers to fill the gaps. RIP Warren.... ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 18:36:54 -0500 From: Rob Atkinson To: Jim Wilhite Cc: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service ??? Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Warren Elly W1GUD SK Message-ID: ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I am very sorry and unhappy to get this news.? I always enjoyed working Warren and hearing his signal, one of the few that strapped the distance from southern Fla.? He was a class act operator all the way. Rob K5UJ On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Jim Wilhite wrote: > Warren was one of the really nice guys.? Sorry to hear of his passing. > > Jim > W5JO > > > -----Original Message----- > I'm sorry to report that Warren lost his battle with cancer this morning > and has left us. Warren was an occasional poster to the list but many will > remember working him from his Tampa location where he operated a BC-610 for > many years. Others from that area will remember him as a news report for > the local Fox affiliate. > > Warren was only 64. We've lost a large number of AMers in the last few > years who were in their early 60s or younger. N3DRB was in his 40s. KB3AHE > was in his early 60s. KD0HG was in his early 60s. The thinning of the herd > is happening far too fast. All of these guys were active AMers, on the air > weekly if not daily. Hopefully we can convert some of the internet AMers > into on-air AMers to fill the gaps. > > RIP Warren.... > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 16:36:46 -0500 From: "Donald Chester" To: Subject: Re: [AMRadio] "Ham Guy" Message-ID: <000f01d0717a$f317dac0$d9479040$@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="us-ascii" > I have had people tell me that they wouldn't get into ham radio because of the > bad attitude many hams have toward new people. I wonder John how many young > people have you invited into your shack to get them interested in ham radio? How? > m any classes have you taught on the subject? How many people have you? ? ? > talked to? on two meters inviting them to your clubs meetings? I am beginning to? ? ? > think that it is you who is the problem with your "elitist" attitude. > > Norbert Sichterman > KF0XO I invite guests to my shack from? time to time, but usually they have already expressed some interest in ham radio or they? wouldn't be there. Family members and others lacking that interest usually are bewildered by all the clutter and "junk" piled from the floor to the ceiling, and appear so claustrophobic that they can't wait to get out of the place. Things at my shack are not exactly sparkling clean and all nice, neat and orderly. My shack probably wouldn't make the cover photo of QST. And furthermore, there isn't a computer screen, keyboard or mouse to be seen in my station. As for radio classes, 2m contacts and club meetings, most kids I came in contact with back in my school-teaching days would have found 2m CB and amateur radio clubs boring as hell, just as I always did.? My 2m rig has been gathering dust on the shelf for over two decades, and just about every ham radio club meeting I ever attended bored me to tears with financial reports, reading minutes,? selecting officers, and endless discussion of what the club was "going to" do, but very little of what the club "was" doing, and I never saw but a tiny few of those future projects ever get off the ground. If anything, any ham radio club or a class I ever wasted my time attending would have made it certain that any young person I brought along would never dream of becoming a licensed amateur. OTOT, I couldn't count the number of times over the years I have run into people on the air and at hamfests, people I wouldn't have known from Adam who told me that listening to me and my friends in QSO on 75m and 160m AM in past years is what first got? them interested in amateur radio or what inspired them to try the AM mode. More than one who first ventured out with a crappy weak signal on a plastic radio ended up bitten by the bug and now operate a "real AM" heavy metal station they put together? themselves. Maybe, instead of boring club meetings and stuffy ham radio classes, the best way to attract the kind of newcomers? we would really want to see enter the hobby is to? simply operate. By that I mean maintain a good attitude and operate AM regularly, with a good quality clean signal that can be easily heard and that we could take pride in, and to make every effort to keep our conversations interesting enough that aspiring newcomers would keep on listening, and to always be helpful, polite and treat fellow hams over? the air the same way we would want others to treat us.? Don k4kyv --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 17:48:29 -0400 From: "Jack" To: "'Donald Chester'" ,??? Subject: Re: [AMRadio] "Ham Guy" Message-ID: <004301d0717c$96022230$c2066690$@D8ALUS.NET> Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="us-ascii" Oh boy, time to get out the popcorn and sit down to an interesting show! BTW - I'm somewhere between the two posts shown below; leaning towards Don's input. Of course, I am an official certified old fart who earned my stripes the hard way. But.... there is an SDR transceiver on the desk next to the Johnson Viking Valiant and Hallicrafters SX-101A. Not homebrew, but definitely buzzardly! -----Original Message----- From: AMRadio [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Donald Chester Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 5:37 PM To: amradio at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] "Ham Guy" > I have had people tell me that they wouldn't get into ham radio > because of the > bad attitude many hams have toward new people. I wonder John how many young > people have you invited into your shack to get them interested in ham radio? How? > m any classes have you taught on the subject? How many people have you? ? ? > talked to? on two meters inviting them to your clubs meetings? I am beginning to? ? ? > think that it is you who is the problem with your "elitist" attitude. > > Norbert Sichterman > KF0XO I invite guests to my shack from? time to time, but usually they have already expressed some interest in ham radio or they? wouldn't be there. Family members and others lacking that interest usually are bewildered by all the clutter and "junk" piled from the floor to the ceiling, and appear so claustrophobic that they can't wait to get out of the place. Things at my shack are not exactly sparkling clean and all nice, neat and orderly. My shack probably wouldn't make the cover photo of QST. And furthermore, there isn't a computer screen, keyboard or mouse to be seen in my station. As for radio classes, 2m contacts and club meetings, most kids I came in contact with back in my school-teaching days would have found 2m CB and amateur radio clubs boring as hell, just as I always did.? My 2m rig has been gathering dust on the shelf for over two decades, and just about every ham radio club meeting I ever attended bored me to tears with financial reports, reading minutes, selecting officers, and endless discussion of what the club was "going to" do, but very little of what the club "was" doing, and I never saw but a tiny few of those future projects ever get off the ground. If anything, any ham radio club or a class I ever wasted my time attending would have made it certain that any young person I brought along would never dream of becoming a licensed amateur. OTOT, I couldn't count the number of times over the years I have run into people on the air and at hamfests, people I wouldn't have known from Adam who told me that listening to me and my friends in QSO on 75m and 160m AM in past years is what first got? them interested in amateur radio or what inspired them to try the AM mode. More than one who first ventured out with a crappy weak signal on a plastic radio ended up bitten by the bug and now operate a "real AM" heavy metal station they put together? themselves. Maybe, instead of boring club meetings and stuffy ham radio classes, the best way to attract the kind of newcomers? we would really want to see enter the hobby is to? simply operate. By that I mean maintain a good attitude and operate AM regularly, with a good quality clean signal that can be easily heard and that we could take pride in, and to make every effort to keep our conversations interesting enough that aspiring newcomers would keep on listening, and to always be helpful, polite and treat fellow hams over? the air the same way we would want others to treat us.? 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This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer ______________________________________________________________ AMRadio mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio at mailman.qth.net ------------------------------ End of AMRadio Digest, Vol 135, Issue 15 **************************************** From rbethman at comcast.net Tue Apr 7 20:05:14 2015 From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2015 20:05:14 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] AM operations In-Reply-To: <1707460041.1500574.1428448445828.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1707460041.1500574.1428448445828.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <552470BA.4080800@comcast.net> All, I have spent my time throwing the plate switch on either a BC-610 or a T-213. The folks that used to get together on 7290 were very happy discussing radio! None of us discussed our last two weeks of life. The 2 mtr rig on the shelf doesn't make anyone an elitist. I enjoyed it far more when I could get Tropospheric Ducting and talk to Central America. The current status of FM repeaters leaves it more like CB than Amateur Radio. What pray tell is "destinated"? Followed by, "Call you on the phone after we eat." I had a great deal of enjoyment on 2mtr AM and 2mtr SSB. I finally have that ability again, but must get an amplifier and build an inexpensive Yagi to get some distance. I've moved my share of pole pigs, built enough HV power supplies, and worked out all the strings of precision resistors to make a 1 mA movement read the correct HV. At this moment, my shack/den won't make any page anywhere. The vast majority of the junk is now gone, but I still have a whole bunch of "stuff" to go through on a final pass to being manageable. My wife will be forever thankful when that is done. I have piddled with an SDR Dongle. I don't see it taking over in the shack. There is a new addition of an active antenna for the HRO-50-T1, in lieu of the 150 feet of #14 solid all over the property. Bright green sticks out like a sore thumb. The gray of the Alpha-Delta multi-band wires just blends in. The RG-213 and the RG-8A/U come out of the house and go straight up the center support. The only concession to a black wire is the addition of a 40mtr Double-Bazooka. That is only because it doesn't require tuning across the entire coverage. Just a slight touch up on the Amp Supply LK-500ZB. I have happily kept it going for around 15 years on the same Eimac 3-500Zs since I obtained the amp. It only had one issue that kept creeping up. One silly resistor on the switch between Plate Voltage versus Plate Current. I attributed that to a too low wattage one put in before I got it. Replaced it with a 1W rated one and there is no problem. I do infrequently run SSB. I simply can't get the folks that I began with in Georgia. Then again, a very large number of those are now Silent Keys. I miss every single one of them! I too, hear those on the bands that get on an either talk forever about the weather or their health. I move elsewhere. I would much rather talk about modulation means, another type of antenna, or perhaps another tube radio that I can still move around. No, I do NOT only use the computer! I've been honing my skills with regard to surface mount technology. The TS-2000 just happens to be built that way. Darned if I'll take it to a shop and pay the labor rates! I too can desolder and solder those pieces. Regards, Bob - N0DGN (I am not even going to try and spread out the message that triggered this) From w5jo at brightok.net Wed Apr 8 09:10:58 2015 From: w5jo at brightok.net (Jim Wilhite) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 08:10:58 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Fw: Lightening map Message-ID: <4F836A36970940C5BA82ECFBC3469DBC@JimPC> For those of you who like to see lightning maps. Jim W5JO New from NASA http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=85600&src=eoa-iotd From w5jo at brightok.net Fri Apr 10 17:05:15 2015 From: w5jo at brightok.net (Jim Wilhite) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 16:05:15 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Wanted Message-ID: <28B4E56B956245139D97B9086F35C8CA@JimPC> I have a friend that doesn?t have internet (can you believe that in today?s age) who would like to find a Lafayette HE10 if anyone has one they don?t want. Would like it to work. Please let me know where and how much. Jim W5JO From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Fri Apr 10 17:09:41 2015 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 16:09:41 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Wanted In-Reply-To: <28B4E56B956245139D97B9086F35C8CA@JimPC> References: <28B4E56B956245139D97B9086F35C8CA@JimPC> Message-ID: I know 3 guys who don't have internet and don't have computers. If I weren't a ham I probably wouldn't have it either. If all the computers magically vanished overnight I'd be fine with that. The problem is that if all the callsigns are now on qrz.com, all the stuff for sale is on line, you pretty much have to have one of the damn things. Rob K5UJ On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Jim Wilhite wrote: > I have a friend that doesn't have internet (can you believe that in today's age) who would like to find a Lafayette HE10 if anyone has one they don't want. > From pblayz at hotmail.com Sun Apr 19 20:44:24 2015 From: pblayz at hotmail.com (patrick Blaylock) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 17:44:24 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] (no subject) Message-ID: From bjtatum1 at att.net Mon Apr 20 11:42:27 2015 From: bjtatum1 at att.net (Byron Tatum) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 15:42:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] Bendix RTA-1B Message-ID: <1208318808.395443.1429544547929.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hello-?? I brought home?a fairly complete?carcass of a Bendix RTA-1B transceiver recently.?A lot of key parts?were still there, but no dynamotors.?My questions, if anyone has info or knowledge of, are these:?????? 1. I wanted to know the transmitter B+ voltage. I would like to use the modulation transformer in a homebrew AM rig. I see the modulator uses a pair of 807's modulating another pair of 807's. I wanted to know the operating voltage, plus the?specs on modulation transformer if possible.?????? 2. Does anyone have a schematic of the transceiver? I would like to use the audio output transformer and IF transformers in a homebrew receiver. I sure would like to know the pin-out and specs on these parts.???????? Thank you!?????????????? Byron WA5THJ From pete at zilliox.net Mon Apr 20 16:02:31 2015 From: pete at zilliox.net (pete zilliox) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 13:02:31 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] Gates BC1-H Info wanted Message-ID: I'm trying to bring up a Gates BC1-H, first on 1240 KHz then I'll move it to 75 meters. I'm having trouble getting it to properly load up and get neutralized. I'm using an oscilloscope on the modulation monitor coil tap, and I'm experiencing a severely distorted RF Driver waveform with the RF Final Stage (833s) HV off. The low level oscillator/buffer signal going to the pair of 807 drivers looks clean. But there's a distorted waveform from the 807 RF drivers makes it difficult to pre-tune the final tank circuit and do the neutralization adjustment (with the HV off as per the manual instructions for tuning the transmitter). I've swapped out the 807 driver tubes and have the same problem. I suspect either the bias supply in the RF Driver section or a Final Amp bias circuit problem. It would help if I knew what voltages were supposed to be there. So, I'm looking for a tube voltage chart. The manual I have has no tube pin voltage charts. What else would cause the RF Driver to distort the signal? Any help out there would be appreciated. Pete K5PZ Huntington Beach From paul at paulbaldock.com Wed Apr 22 19:59:13 2015 From: paul at paulbaldock.com (Paul Baldock) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 16:59:13 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] 813s push pull Triode Connected Bias question. In-Reply-To: <20150321221607.B8FCF149ABD0@mailman.qth.net> References: <20150320221600.0DBC5149B49B@mailman.qth.net> <20150321023748.7FEB5149AE26@mailman.qth.net> <550D7A2B.7060608@securespeed.us> <20150321221607.B8FCF149ABD0@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: I just fired up my new Modulator, driving a 10K resistor instead of the PA. It works well except the efficiency is low. The HV is about 2500V. Idle current is about 60mA (150W). Efficiency at 400W RMS output is 42% as calculated by plate voltage times cathode current. Does this seem typical for this configuration? Thanks - Paul KW7Y --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From paul at paulbaldock.com Wed Apr 22 22:12:48 2015 From: paul at paulbaldock.com (Paul Baldock) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 19:12:48 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] 813s push pull Triode Connected Bias question. In-Reply-To: <281772539A3145C0AC9ED2CA52EA5401@berniePC> References: <20150320221600.0DBC5149B49B@mailman.qth.net> <20150321023748.7FEB5149AE26@mailman.qth.net> <550D7A2B.7060608@securespeed.us> <20150321221607.B8FCF149ABD0@mailman.qth.net> <20150423000132.8F216149B76D@mailman.qth.net> <281772539A3145C0AC9ED2CA52EA5401@berniePC> Message-ID: I think this is class B, so no significant control grid current. The screen grid is connected to the control grid in this triode configuration so there will be screen current, but I would assume only a few tens of mA as the peak voltage is only a couple hundred volts. It is a step down transformer designed to modulate a pair 813's (about 12K Ohms). Unfortunately I don't believe any data sheet exists for the 813 configured as a triode. - Paul At 06:43 PM 4/22/2015, you wrote: >if that is correct, you are running an input of about 1 KW and even >accounting for transformers losses etc, (10%) you are dissipating >over 500 watts in the plates. Hope you have plenty of 813s. even in >AB1 a pair is shown at about 67% eff. Of course the control grid >and screen currents also appear in the cathode current, so the >actual power input may be significiently less if you are not >deducting that. the 10k load may be too low unless the mod >transformer is a step down. The plate to plate Z for a pair is above >19,000 Ohms. Bernie----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul >Baldock" >To: ; >Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 7:59 PM >Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 813s push pull Triode Connected Bias question. > > >>I just fired up my new Modulator, driving a 10K resistor instead >>of the PA. It works well except the efficiency is low. The HV is >>about 2500V. Idle current is about 60mA (150W). Efficiency at 400W >>RMS output is 42% as calculated by plate voltage times cathode current. >> >>Does this seem typical for this configuration? >> >>Thanks >> >>- Paul KW7Y >> >> >>--- >>This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>http://www.avast.com >> >>______________________________________________________________ >>Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >>AMRadio mailing list >>Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ >>List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >>List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >>Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net >>To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with >>the word unsubscribe in the message body. >> >>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From paul at paulbaldock.com Thu Apr 23 14:28:04 2015 From: paul at paulbaldock.com (Paul Baldock) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 11:28:04 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] 813s push pull Triode Connected Bias question. In-Reply-To: <87F2825E1BE442CA8C02C1B3BF490B14@berniePC> References: <20150320221600.0DBC5149B49B@mailman.qth.net> <20150321023748.7FEB5149AE26@mailman.qth.net> <550D7A2B.7060608@securespeed.us> <20150321221607.B8FCF149ABD0@mailman.qth.net> <20150423000132.8F216149B76D@mailman.qth.net> <281772539A3145C0AC9ED2CA52EA5401@berniePC> <50.53.18229.F2558355@mx03.agate.dfw.synacor.com> <87F2825E1BE442CA8C02C1B3BF490B14@berniePC> Message-ID: You are quite right about grid current (screen I presume) being significant. I just measured the current from the B+ supply. It is measuring 320mA when the Cathode current is measuring 400mA (400W sine wave in to the 10K load). That's 52% instead of (42%) efficiency which is more reasonable. - Paul At 12:37 AM 4/23/2015, Bernie Doran wrote: >I assume you are driving with a Sine wave for tests, turn off the B+ >while maintaining drive, bet you will be surprised at the grid and >screen current. grid will probably be higher than the screen and >likely above ratings, but people do run them this way. if the plates >are not red, and they should never be, it is probably is OK. Bernie >----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Baldock" >To: "Bernie Doran" ; >Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:12 PM >Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 813s push pull Triode Connected Bias question. > > >>I think this is class B, so no significant control grid current. >>The screen grid is connected to the control grid in this triode >>configuration so there will be screen current, but I would assume >>only a few tens of mA as the peak voltage is only a couple hundred volts. >> >>It is a step down transformer designed to modulate a pair 813's >>(about 12K Ohms). >> >>Unfortunately I don't believe any data sheet exists for the 813 >>configured as a triode. >> >>- Paul >> >> >>At 06:43 PM 4/22/2015, you wrote: >>>if that is correct, you are running an input of about 1 KW and >>>even accounting for transformers losses etc, (10%) you are >>>dissipating over 500 watts in the plates. Hope you have plenty of >>>813s. even in AB1 a pair is shown at about 67% eff. Of course the >>>control grid and screen currents also appear in the cathode >>>current, so the actual power input may be significiently less if >>>you are not deducting that. the 10k load may be too low unless >>>the mod transformer is a step down. The plate to plate Z for a >>>pair is above 19,000 Ohms. Bernie----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Paul Baldock" >>>To: ; >>>Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 7:59 PM >>>Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 813s push pull Triode Connected Bias question. >>> >>> >>>>I just fired up my new Modulator, driving a 10K resistor instead >>>>of the PA. It works well except the efficiency is low. The HV is >>>>about 2500V. Idle current is about 60mA (150W). Efficiency at >>>>400W RMS output is 42% as calculated by plate voltage times cathode current. >>>> >>>>Does this seem typical for this configuration? >>>> >>>>Thanks >>>> >>>>- Paul KW7Y >>>> >>>> >>>>--- >>>>This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>http://www.avast.com >>>> >>>>______________________________________________________________ >>>>Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >>>>AMRadio mailing list >>>>Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ >>>>List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >>>>List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >>>>Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net >>>>To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with >>>>the word unsubscribe in the message body. >>>> >>>>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> >>--- >>This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>http://www.avast.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From w5jo at brightok.net Fri Apr 24 17:13:28 2015 From: w5jo at brightok.net (Jim Wilhite) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 16:13:28 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Crystal Radio Message-ID: <79FBD33B36A8449C960033356E386C64@JimPC> Hi Bob, I have been following this and tried to reply with your corrected address to no avail so I resort to this group and the following message. Bob, I have been following this subject and have been trying to remember if I still had a kit. It is not a Crystal Detector but may be something you might want to consider. I have an RCA Oscillator-Amplifier kit that is unused. It may be a 70's version because it is around one IC. It has all of the few parts and has a printed circuit board included plus 12 inches of rosin core solder. It has an output transformer to a 4 ohm speaker and would be ideal to amplify any low output source you may want to attach. It would also allow you to demonstrate soldering techniques. If you want it, I can send it along, but you will need to refresh my memory as to the mailing address. I was slow about this because I had to find the damn thing. I have had it for several years and couldn't remember which box it was in for sure. I didn't want to say anything until I put my hands on it and be sure all parts were still there. 73 Jim W5JO -----Original Message----- From: rbethman An individual on another list brought up points that I failed to consider! First, I'll say that my vertical antenna concept has been tried and tested here. The results were excellent. Now, putting that aside, the idea of her listening to a barrage of AM Talk Radio does disturb me. I'm going to switch gears. I'm going to go a path that will be an AM/FM kit with audio amplifier. [ Okay - Shoot me! It made me see what she would experience, and that alone demands the switch!] I can still use the Galena Detector and make an AM set just for kicks! Now I have to search once more for that kit. I saw it a couple of times, but didn't keep the link. Regards, Bob - N0DGN From rbethman at comcast.net Fri Apr 24 17:31:28 2015 From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 17:31:28 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Crystal Radio In-Reply-To: <79FBD33B36A8449C960033356E386C64@JimPC> References: <79FBD33B36A8449C960033356E386C64@JimPC> Message-ID: <553AB630.7070905@comcast.net> Jim, Replied direct. Note: Even though the *DUMB* Comcast *system* sends you a very DUMB message regarding an address of *r4bethman at comcast.net*, I indeed *DO* get your messages! I keep thinking "letter bomb", but I don't have access to that junk any longer! [ I am as FRUSTRATED as all are! I get that same idiotic message even simply sending a message from my laptop to the Desktop! ] That particular address was deleted over 18 months ago! Please check your address books! It may be there. Regards, Bob - N0DGN On 4/24/2015 5:13 PM, Jim Wilhite wrote: > Hi Bob, I have been following this and tried to reply with your corrected address to no avail so I resort to this group and the following message. > > > Bob, I have been following this subject and have been trying to remember if I still had a > kit. It is not a Crystal Detector but may be something you > might want to consider. > > I have an RCA Oscillator-Amplifier kit that is unused. It may be a 70's > version because it is around one IC. It has all of the few parts and has a > printed circuit board included plus 12 inches of rosin core solder. > > It has an output transformer to a 4 ohm speaker and would be ideal to > amplify any low output source you may want to attach. It would also allow > you to demonstrate soldering techniques. If you want it, I can send it > along, but you will need to refresh my memory as to the mailing address. > > I was slow about this because I had to find the damn thing. I have had it > for several years and couldn't remember which box it was in for sure. I > didn't want to say anything until I put my hands on it and be sure all parts > were still there. > > 73 > > Jim > W5JO From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Sat Apr 25 16:42:23 2015 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 15:42:23 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] estate sale stuff in Minneapolis area Message-ID: If you are in the Minneapolis area you may want to check this out: http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/csw/ele/4993749707.html There might be some good parts/rigs there. 73 Rob K5UJ From ars.w5omr at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 18:41:41 2015 From: ars.w5omr at gmail.com (Geoff) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 17:41:41 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] FCC Proposes to Permit Amateur Access to 2200 and 630 Meters Message-ID: <55400CA5.2000307@gmail.com> I mostly *yawn* over VLF activity, especially with a 5w IERP limit. But there are those that would be interested in knowing about this. ========================= FCC Proposes to Permit Amateur Access to 2200 and 630 Meters http://www.arrl.org/news/fcc-proposes-to-permit-amateur-access-to-2200-and-630-meters 04/28/2015 Amateur Radio is poised to gain access to two new bands! The FCC has allocated a new LF band, 135.7 to 137.8 kHz, to the Amateur Service on a secondary basis. Allocation of the 2.1 kHz segment, known as 2200 meters, was in accordance with the Final Acts of the 2007 World Radiocommunication Conference (WRC-07). The Commission also has proposed a new secondary 630 meter MF allocation at 472 to 479 kHz to Amateur Radio, implementing decisions made at WRC-12. No Amateur Radio operation will be permitted in either band until the FCC determines, on the basis of comments, the specific Part 97 rules it must frame to permit operation in the new bands. Amateur Radio would share both allocations with unlicensed Part 15 power line carrier (PLC) systems operated by utilities to control the power grid, as well as with other users. In addition, the FCC has raised the secondary Amateur Service allocation at 1900 to 2000 kHz to primary, while providing for continued use by currently unlicensed commercial fishing vessels of radio buoys on the "open sea." The allocation changes, associated proposed rules, and suggested topics for comment are contained in a 257-page FCC Report and Order, Order, and Notice of Proposed Rulemaking addressing three dockets --- ET-12-338, ET-15-99, and IB-06-123 --- which affect various radio services in addition to the Amateur Service. The FCC released the document on April 27. With respect to the new LF sliver band at 135-7-137.8 kHz, the FCC concluded that Amateur Radio and PLC systems can coexist there. "Since the Commission last considered this issue, amateurs have successfully operated in the band under experimental licenses without reported PLC interference," the FCC said. "We are also encouraged by the fact that numerous fixed radionavigation beacons, which operate at much higher powers, share spectrum with PLC systems without reported interference." In 2003 the FCC turned down an ARRL proposal to create a 135.7-137.8 kHz Amateur Radio allocation, after utilities raised fears of a clash between Amateur Radio and PLC systems operating below the AM broadcast band. This time, the FCC said, "It is clear that we will have to establish appropriate requirements for amateur use of the band, if we are to ensure compatibility with PLC systems." WRC-07 set a maximum effective isotropic radiated power (EIRP) limit of 1 W, which is what the FCC is proposing. The FCC said it "explicitly" rejects the suggestion that it choose one use of the spectrum over the other. "Our objective is to allocate spectrum on a secondary basis to amateur stations in a manner...compatible with existing PLC systems," the FCC said. "However, we also expect to permit amateur operators to make use of the allocation in a manner that is less burdensome and more productive than they are currently afforded under the experimental authorization process." The Commission said that if it concludes, after considering the record, that Amateur Radio and PLC systems cannot coexist, it would "defer the adoption of service rules, and amateur users will have to continue to use the experimental licensing process to operate in the band." With respect to the proposed 630 meter allocation, the FCC has proposed limiting amateur stations in the US to a maximum 5 W EIRP. In the US, 435-495 kHz is allocated to the Maritime Mobile Service on a primary basis for federal and non-federal use, and to the aeronautical radionavigation service on a secondary basis for federal use. The ARRL submitted a Petition for Rule Making in 2012 asking the FCC to allocate 472-479 kHz to the Amateur Service on a secondary basis and to amend the Part 97 rules to provide for its use. Several countries, including Canada, already have access to the band. The ARRL has pointed out that during its extensive course of experimentation in the spectrum around 500 kHz, no interference reports have been received. The FCC said that the "cornerstone" of the technical rules it's proposing for both bands is "physical separation between amateur stations and the transmission lines" carrying PLC signals. "Such a separation, in conjunction with limits on the amateur stations' transmitted EIRP and antenna heights, will enable PLC systems and amateur stations to coexist in these bands," the FCC asserted. "In addition, we propose to limit amateur stations to operations at fixed locations only, to ensure that this separation distance can be maintained reliably." The FCC said it wants to hear from both PLC system users and radio amateurs regarding technical requirements it would have to put into place to permit both users to operate comfortably and without compromising the PLC systems. The Commission suggested that other requirements might include limits on antenna heights, transmitter power limits, and operating privilege limits based on license class or mode. The ARRL will file comments in the proceeding. The FCC will accept comments for 60 days following publication of the Report and Order, Order, and Notice of Proposed Rulemaking in the Federal Register. Reply comments would be due 30 days after the comment deadline. From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 19:28:43 2015 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 18:28:43 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] FCC Proposes to Permit Amateur Access to 2200 and 630 Meters In-Reply-To: <55400CA5.2000307@gmail.com> References: <55400CA5.2000307@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Geoff wrote: > I mostly *yawn* over VLF activity, especially with a 5w IERP limit. But > there are those that would be interested in knowing about this. > I also have no interest in LF operating however read closely--buried in all the type is this: > In addition, the FCC has raised the secondary Amateur Service allocation at > 1900 to 2000 kHz to primary, while providing for continued use by > currently unlicensed commercial fishing vessels of radio buoys on the > "open sea." > This is interesting in two ways: 1. It affects 160 meters in a positive way for hams, or rather for hams who operate from 1900 to 2000 kc (yours truly among them) and: 2. is interesting because we'll still share the allocation with fishing net beacons but have priority of use. I and others filed comments on this and we were wondering what happened. Interest in this among hams in general and 160 meters users in particular was disappointing, but regardless of that, the hold on the full band in the U.S. has been strengthened and AM operators will continue to have space available for what I consider the ultimate night time AM ragchew band. I hope AM operators take advantage of it this winter. 73 Rob K5UJ From k4kyv at charter.net Wed Apr 29 04:23:16 2015 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 03:23:16 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] 1900-2000 Upgrade Message-ID: <001b01d08255$be2fa950$3a8efbf0$@charter.net> -----Original Message----- FCC Proposes to Permit Amateur Access to 2200 and 630 Meters From: Geoff > I mostly *yawn* over VLF activity, especially with a 5w IERP limit Actually, with practical antennas most amateurs can erect, the efficiency is so low that this still means several hundred watts DC input or even RF output on 2200m. 630m is a little better, but still probably represents at least 100 watts even with the best antennas most of us can put up. > In > addition, the FCC has raised the secondary Amateur Service allocation at > 1900 to 2000 kHz to primary, while providing for continued use by > currently unlicensed commercial fishing vessels of radio buoys on the > "open sea." Although this won't likely have much immediate effect on our daily operation on the band, it strengthens our hold on the top end since we in the USA are now primary and nobody else can easily displace amateurs with some new technology that could fall into the category of "radiolocation". An unlikely threat? Recall the so-called "washing machine", the Canadian OTH radar signal that almost completely wiped out 1900-1930 for several days last winter, and which still occasionally appears on the frequency. This is a clear example of how it is wise to pay close attention to FCC issues, consider all possible consequences and submit comments. The 160m proposal was only a small sub-section of what was a large, omnibus rulemaking proceeding issued a couple of years ago, involving numerous other services besides amateur radio, so the 160m issue might have gained little attention. I attempted to drum up interest amongst AMers and other 160m operators, but the response was disappointing at best. Posting information on the Top Band Reflector drew only scant interest and generated only one or two replies while everybody else was pre-occupied with what DX stations were being heard and upcoming contests. Granted that CW, DX and contest enthusiasts who largely inhabit the Reflector pretty much stay at the bottom end of the band below 1840 kHz, but were we ever to lose all or part of 1900-2000 to some new form of radiolocation, many if not most of those who presently populate the high end would have to move below 1900, making 1800-1900 more congested, which would indeed affect weak signal, DX and CW operation. Even more incredibly, my efforts were derided on another message board by several AM operators! A read-only announcement of the FCC's proposal was so poorly worded that some hams interpreted it to mean that the FCC was "reallocating" 1900-2000 and taking it away from amateurs. When I attempted to clarify the issue, one op responded this was of little interest to him because he found 160m so boring that the QSOs on the band put him to sleep. Another chimed in to add that amateur radio would be just as well off if the FCC took away 160m altogether. A total of only 34 hams submitted comments to the 160m proposal, however, it appears that our efforts paid off. To see the pertinent section of the FCC's R & O, go to http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/comment/view;ECFSSESSION=XpxJVQlHZsLr63dPQq2WvZpN8V fLT5JS9B5bG5Q9wb1pWsphb4Lc!9955362!-1420975216?id=60001030136 (beware of a line break that will probably disable the link; it might be best to manually copy and paste the URL directly into your browser; make sure to include the entire website address which may be split up onto two or more lines). Scroll down to Paragraph 30 on Page 15, and continue through Paragraph 44 on page 21. >From footnotes in the R & O: ... amateur service licensees that submitted comments and/or reply comments include... the following 34 parties: Robert L. Atkinson, Nathan Bargmann (Bargmann), Lloyd Berg, Robert Bethman (Bethman), Todd Carpenter (Carpenter), Donald B. Chester (Chester), Roger Cooper (Cooper), Steve Courts (Courts), Danny Douglas (Douglas), George Dubovsky, Richard Duccini (Duccini), Brad Farrell (Farrell), Benjamin A. Governale (Governale), James T. Hanlon, Michael M. Harang (Harang), Hamilton Hicks, Robert G. Hoffman, Brian Holloway, John R. Holmes, Patrick Jankowiak, Richard W. Jensen, Jerry Klemm (Klemm), Michael R. Kincaid, James Michener, Anthony Muttillo, Robert E. Naumann, David C. Olean (Olean), Richard L. Pettit (Pettit), Glen Reid, Ken Reid, Greg Schultz (Schultz), Peter G. Smith, Owen Wormser (Wormser), and William C. Wright III. We note that Wormser filed on behalf of "The 1865 Morning Group," which consists of "almost 400 Amateur Radio operators who use 160 [meters] daily for regional, nighttime long-haul, and emergency communications." ...97 These commenters also state that the 2 MHz range lends itself particularly well to certain forms of technical investigation and self-instruction in the radio art. For example, in the realm of antennas, amateur experimentation could lead to the development or improvement of efficient, physically low profile medium-wave transmitting antennas, anti-skywave transmitting antennas that provide local ground wave coverage while generating minimal interference at distant points, as well as effective noise cancelling and weak-signal receiving antennas. See Chester Comments at 5-6, Courts Comments at 2, Duccini Comments at 3, and Governale Comments at 3-4. ... 103 See Chester Comments at 5, Courts Comments at 2, Duccini Comments at 3, and Governale Comments at 3. See also Olean Comments at 1. See also Peak Comments at 1 and Pettit Comments at 1 (asserting that amateur licensees should enjoy the long term security of primary status across the entire band). --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From ne1s at securespeed.us Wed Apr 29 06:49:47 2015 From: ne1s at securespeed.us (Larry Szendrei) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 06:49:47 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] 1900-2000 Upgrade In-Reply-To: <001b01d08255$be2fa950$3a8efbf0$@charter.net> References: <001b01d08255$be2fa950$3a8efbf0$@charter.net> Message-ID: <5540B74B.8010506@securespeed.us> Thanks to Don, Rob, and all other hams who took the time and effort to comment on this proposal. Somehow just the existence of this issue blew by me; I wasn't even aware of it until now. 73, -Larry/NE1S From ik0ixi at ik0ixi.it Wed Apr 29 07:23:05 2015 From: ik0ixi at ik0ixi.it (Fabio Bonucci, IK0IXI) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 13:23:05 +0200 Subject: [AMRadio] Italian AM round table on 80m References: <55400CA5.2000307@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi. Every evening, week end included, there is a quite good activity around 3610 kHz here in Italy. Most uses old radios from 40es and 50es. My setup is Hallicrafters SX-25 and Johnson Ranger I. Sometimes I use also a Collins 75A-2 or 75A-4. Daily QRG is 7195 kHz. 73 Fabio, IK0IXI From amradio at mailman.qth.net Wed Apr 29 09:49:59 2015 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (CL in NC via AMRadio) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 06:49:59 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] New VLF bands Message-ID: <1430315399.68697.YahooMailBasic@web160601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Not sure what can be done with 2KC of band, but as a person who occasionally listens down there in the winter, I wouldn't mind having access without having to jump through the ARRL's hoops. I find it ironic that the FCC considers the first users of this spectrum 100 years ago with spark and arc TX's as a threat today with modern components and designs. The biggest screw over the FCC hits us with is the power limit. Aviation aids, NDB's and LOM's operate from 25 watts, to 1KW with no issues, usually feeding top loaded towers or center fed 'T' antennas with the power line going right to the TX shack overhead and near the antenna. I brought this issue up on an FCC comment years ago but who knows if they even read comments from the peanut gallery. Charlie, W4MEC in NC From cw_de_n5op at sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 29 22:29:34 2015 From: cw_de_n5op at sbcglobal.net (Kim Elmore) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 21:29:34 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] New VLF bands In-Reply-To: <1430315399.68697.YahooMailBasic@web160601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1430315399.68697.YahooMailBasic@web160601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5541938E.6010707@sbcglobal.net> Well, yes... But the FCC limited us based on effective isotropic radiated power (EIRP). No antenna we can build is very efficient at LF, and the FAA doesn't go the great lengths in this regard, either, so I doubt that the NDBs you mention have a very high EIRP. Someone mentioned that, depending on antenna efficiency, it might take nearly a KW to get 5 W EIRP. Antenna limitations will also limit bandwidth at LF; the signal rate will have to be very low. At MF, the antenna still limits bandwidth to some extent, but the limits aren't as severe. Thus we hear both AM CW and speech on the NDBs. While this will be interesting, it will also be a very specialized segment that do anything at LF. The new MF allocation will be closer to what we're used to and will likely get more use. On 4/29/2015 8:49 AM, CL in NC via AMRadio wrote: > Not sure what can be done with 2KC of band, but as a person who occasionally listens down there in the winter, I wouldn't mind having access without having to jump through the ARRL's hoops. I find it ironic that the FCC considers the first users of this spectrum 100 years ago with spark and arc TX's as a threat today with modern components and designs. The biggest screw over the FCC hits us with is the power limit. Aviation aids, NDB's and LOM's operate from 25 watts, to 1KW with no issues, usually feeding top loaded towers or center fed 'T' antennas with the power line going right to the TX shack overhead and near the antenna. I brought this issue up on an FCC comment years ago but who knows if they even read comments from the peanut gallery. > > Charlie, W4MEC in NC > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- Kim Elmore, Ph.D. (Adj. Assoc. Prof., OU School of Meteorology, CCM, PP SEL/MEL/Glider, N5OP, 2nd Class Radiotelegraph, GROL) /"In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is." //? Attributed to many people; it?s so true that it doesn?t matter who said it./ From amradio at mailman.qth.net Thu Apr 30 10:00:31 2015 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (CL in NC via AMRadio) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 07:00:31 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] Seeking unobtanium Message-ID: <1430402431.76282.YahooMailBasic@web160602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Does anybody have or know of a source of a Q Multiplier/Bandwidth/on-off control for a HQ160? This is a 200ohm bandwidth pot, stacked with a 10K Q mult pot on top of a SPST on-off switch. The 10K section is totally open on this one, and I can't go down to the Lafayette store anymore and have the guy put one together for me from Clarostat parts. Charlie, W4MEC in NC From ka4koe at comcast.net Thu Apr 30 14:39:47 2015 From: ka4koe at comcast.net (ka4koe at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 18:39:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] Social Media AM Groups In-Reply-To: <198461651.334711.1430418088055.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <198461651.334711.1430418088055.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <629446226.348699.1430419187404.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> There are currently two thriving groups devoted to AM on Facebook. One was started by me and the other by William Yates, N6YW. The two groups compliment each other and have approximately 300 members (each one). The first group I run is located at URL https://www.facebook.com/groups/classicAM/ William's group is located at URL https://www.facebook.com/groups/amodgroup/ I realize social media is not everyone's thing but some find it as a very useful networking tool. Jump in and have some fun. The water is warm! Philip KA4KOE From amradio at mailman.qth.net Thu Apr 30 21:17:09 2015 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (CL in NC via AMRadio) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 18:17:09 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] BC1004B Message-ID: <1430443029.88023.YahooMailBasic@web160604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I have a Hammarlund Super Pro/BC1004B, second one I've owned in 45 years. Never knew the answer to this, maybe someone can shed some light. Why was it designed with such a massive external power supply? Charlie, W4MEC in NC From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 22:31:46 2015 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 21:31:46 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] BC1004B In-Reply-To: <1430443029.88023.YahooMailBasic@web160604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1430443029.88023.YahooMailBasic@web160604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hmmm how heavy is it? I guess if we have some oil caps, pretty big mil.spec transformer, one or two filter chokes, vacuum rectifier and VR tube and steel chassis and cabinet it might get up there around 35 or 40 pounds. never owned one; just speculating. Sounds like a good supply. Made to run the receiver day night continuous duty I bet. how much does it weigh? 73 Rob K5UJ On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 8:17 PM, CL in NC via AMRadio wrote: > I have a Hammarlund Super Pro/BC1004B, second one I've owned in 45 years. Never knew the answer to this, maybe someone can shed some light. Why was it designed with such a massive external power supply?

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