[AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 135, Issue 15


Norb Sichterman via AMRadio amradio at mailman.qth.net
Tue Apr 7 19:14:05 EDT 2015


I invite guests to my shack from  time to time, but usually they have
already expressed some interest in ham radio or they  wouldn't be there.
Family members and others lacking that interest usually are bewildered by
all the clutter and "junk" piled from the floor to the ceiling, and appear
so claustrophobic that they can't wait to get out of the place. Things at my
shack are not exactly sparkling clean and all nice, neat and orderly. My
shack probably wouldn't make the cover photo of QST. And furthermore, there
isn't a computer screen, keyboard or mouse to be seen in my station.

As for radio classes, 2m contacts and club meetings, most kids I came in
contact with back in my school-teaching days would have found 2m CB and
amateur radio clubs boring as hell, just as I always did.  My 2m rig has
been gathering dust on the shelf for over two decades, and just about every
ham radio club meeting I ever attended bored me to tears with financial
reports, reading minutes,  selecting officers, and endless discussion of
what the club was "going to" do, but very little of what the club "was"
doing, and I never saw but a tiny few of those future projects ever get off
the ground. If anything, any ham radio club or a class I ever wasted my time
attending would have made it certain that any young person I brought along
would never dream of becoming a licensed amateur.

OTOT, I couldn't count the number of times over the years I have run into
people on the air and at hamfests, people I wouldn't have known from Adam
who told me that listening to me and my friends in QSO on 75m and 160m AM in
past years is what first got  them interested in amateur radio or what
inspired them to try the AM mode. More than one who first ventured out with
a crappy weak signal on a plastic radio ended up bitten by the bug and now
operate a "real AM" heavy metal station they put together  themselves.

Maybe, instead of boring club meetings and stuffy ham radio classes, the
best way to attract the kind of newcomers  we would really want to see enter
the hobby is to  simply operate. By that I mean maintain a good attitude and
operate AM regularly, with a good quality clean signal that can be easily
heard and that we could take pride in, and to make every effort to keep our
conversations interesting enough that aspiring newcomers would keep on
listening, and to always be helpful, polite and treat fellow hams over  the
air the same way we would want others to treat us."  

Don k4kyvThank you Don for making my point. As far as people aspiring to become hams by listening to the glorious melodious tones come out of your BC transmitter on 75 meters they first have to know that they exist. How do you think that will happen? SWLing as you know was the gateway for many of us to be inspired to get into ham radio, but many of the international broadcasters are going dark so there is no reason for the "multitudes" to acquire radios with multiband receivers. In fact as much as it pains me to say it, most of the interesting is on the internet which brings me to my next point which SDR. Most people born after 1990 no nothing about "plate modulation" or have never had the joy of listening to a great transmitter on a pair of 6L6 tubes in push pull configuration. What we have are people who may not know what you have learned over 40 or 50 years as a ham or had the ability of removing a transformer and other components out of a TV set and a five tube receiver and built a station out of them. Most hams of today are geared to solid state stuff hooked to a computer. So what do we do to change that? Get on the air and talk to the same bunch of guys that don't have PTT buttons on their microphones because as soon as they throw that Plate switch they are going to talk until they get horse? Talk about boring. I can see why someone who doesn't understand anything about AM would avoid it. Most people get on AM because they want to talk to other people that share their enthusiasm about AM and learn about it, not set and listen to someone who wants to blather on about everything that has happened in their lives for the lase two weeks.As far as two meters and having your rig sitting on the shelf for the last two years I would just say to you that very statement makes me think that you may be an elitist. Why even make that point if it were not to say "Look at me! I don't even talk to that bunch of pleebs."? I have even read people here say that the frequencies between 3.870 and 3.900 was the wasteland.Well those are my thoughts on the subject Don. They were not all directed at you but sometimes my fingers won't let me stop typing...somewhat like sometimes people's hands don't let them let go of the mic. switch.
73NorbertKF0XO 


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Today's Topics:

  1. Warren Elly W1GUD SK (Todd, KA1KAQ)
  2. Re: Warren Elly W1GUD SK (John Flood via AMRadio)
  3. Re: Warren Elly W1GUD SK (Jim Wilhite)
  4. Re: Warren Elly W1GUD SK (Rob Atkinson)
  5. Re: "Ham Guy" (Donald Chester)
  6. Re: "Ham Guy" (Jack)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 14:35:01 -0400
From: "Todd, KA1KAQ" <ka1kaq at gmail.com>
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Subject: [AMRadio] Warren Elly W1GUD SK
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I'm sorry to report that Warren lost his battle with cancer this morning
and has left us. Warren was an occasional poster to the list but many will
remember working him from his Tampa location where he operated a BC-610 for
many years. Others from that area will remember him as a news report for
the local Fox affiliate.

Warren was only 64. We've lost a large number of AMers in the last few
years who were in their early 60s or younger. N3DRB was in his 40s. KB3AHE
was in his early 60s. KD0HG was in his early 60s. The thinning of the herd
is happening far too fast. All of these guys were active AMers, on the air
weekly if not daily. Hopefully we can convert some of the internet AMers
into on-air AMers to fill the gaps.

RIP Warren....


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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 21:20:34 +0000 (UTC)
From: John Flood via AMRadio <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
To: "Todd, KA1KAQ" <ka1kaq at gmail.com>,     Discussion of AM Radio in the
    Amateur Service <amradio at mailman.qth.net>,    Mister Mike
    <w1rc at near-fest.com>, NEAR-Fest Team <team at near-fest.com>
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Warren Elly W1GUD SK
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Hi Todd, and crew...
Mr Mike called me with this sad news earlier today. ?I remember listening on the R390 to what was, I think, his last checkin, to the Sat. AM mil net with the BC-610, as shortly after that I heard the 610 found a new home. ?I contacted him later that morning to tell him how good he sounded up here in "one land" and told him that I could hear in the other op's voices how happy they were to hear him on the air. ?While I've only gotten to know him in the past couple of years that I have been more involved with Near-Fest, in a strange way, I envy those of you who knew him longer as he seemed to be a true gentleman and one of the good guys. We all hoped that at the very least, his health would have held out for him to be with us at Near-Fest in a few weeks. ?As that seemed to be less likely, ?following his blog, I, as well as I'm sure others, missed him even before he was gone.
John Flood KB1FQG
      From: "Todd, KA1KAQ" <ka1kaq at gmail.com>
 To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service <amradio at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 2:35 PM
 Subject: [AMRadio] Warren Elly W1GUD SK
  
I'm sorry to report that Warren lost his battle with cancer this morning
and has left us. Warren was an occasional poster to the list but many will
remember working him from his Tampa location where he operated a BC-610 for
many years. Others from that area will remember him as a news report for
the local Fox affiliate.

Warren was only 64. We've lost a large number of AMers in the last few
years who were in their early 60s or younger. N3DRB was in his 40s. KB3AHE
was in his early 60s. KD0HG was in his early 60s. The thinning of the herd
is happening far too fast. All of these guys were active AMers, on the air
weekly if not daily. Hopefully we can convert some of the internet AMers
into on-air AMers to fill the gaps.

RIP Warren....
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 16:25:58 -0500
From: "Jim Wilhite" <w5jo at brightok.net>
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Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Warren Elly W1GUD SK
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Warren was one of the really nice guys.  Sorry to hear of his passing.

Jim
W5JO

-----Original Message----- 

I'm sorry to report that Warren lost his battle with cancer this morning
and has left us. Warren was an occasional poster to the list but many will
remember working him from his Tampa location where he operated a BC-610 for
many years. Others from that area will remember him as a news report for
the local Fox affiliate.

Warren was only 64. We've lost a large number of AMers in the last few
years who were in their early 60s or younger. N3DRB was in his 40s. KB3AHE
was in his early 60s. KD0HG was in his early 60s. The thinning of the herd
is happening far too fast. All of these guys were active AMers, on the air
weekly if not daily. Hopefully we can convert some of the internet AMers
into on-air AMers to fill the gaps.

RIP Warren....



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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 18:36:54 -0500
From: Rob Atkinson <ranchorobbo at gmail.com>
To: Jim Wilhite <w5jo at brightok.net>
Cc: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
    <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Warren Elly W1GUD SK
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I am very sorry and unhappy to get this news.  I always enjoyed
working Warren and hearing his signal, one of the few that strapped
the distance from southern Fla.  He was a class act operator all the
way.

Rob
K5UJ

On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Jim Wilhite <w5jo at brightok.net> wrote:
> Warren was one of the really nice guys.  Sorry to hear of his passing.
>
> Jim
> W5JO
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> I'm sorry to report that Warren lost his battle with cancer this morning
> and has left us. Warren was an occasional poster to the list but many will
> remember working him from his Tampa location where he operated a BC-610 for
> many years. Others from that area will remember him as a news report for
> the local Fox affiliate.
>
> Warren was only 64. We've lost a large number of AMers in the last few
> years who were in their early 60s or younger. N3DRB was in his 40s. KB3AHE
> was in his early 60s. KD0HG was in his early 60s. The thinning of the herd
> is happening far too fast. All of these guys were active AMers, on the air
> weekly if not daily. Hopefully we can convert some of the internet AMers
> into on-air AMers to fill the gaps.
>
> RIP Warren....
>
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 16:36:46 -0500
From: "Donald Chester" <k4kyv at charter.net>
To: <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] "Ham Guy"
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> I have had people tell me that they wouldn't get into ham radio because of
the
> bad attitude many hams have toward new people. I wonder John how many
young > people have you invited into your shack to get them interested in
ham radio? How  > m any classes have you taught on the subject? How many
people have you      
> talked to  on two meters inviting them to your clubs meetings? I am
beginning to      > think that it is you who is the problem with your
"elitist" attitude. 
>
> Norbert Sichterman
> KF0XO

I invite guests to my shack from  time to time, but usually they have
already expressed some interest in ham radio or they  wouldn't be there.
Family members and others lacking that interest usually are bewildered by
all the clutter and "junk" piled from the floor to the ceiling, and appear
so claustrophobic that they can't wait to get out of the place. Things at my
shack are not exactly sparkling clean and all nice, neat and orderly. My
shack probably wouldn't make the cover photo of QST. And furthermore, there
isn't a computer screen, keyboard or mouse to be seen in my station.

As for radio classes, 2m contacts and club meetings, most kids I came in
contact with back in my school-teaching days would have found 2m CB and
amateur radio clubs boring as hell, just as I always did.  My 2m rig has
been gathering dust on the shelf for over two decades, and just about every
ham radio club meeting I ever attended bored me to tears with financial
reports, reading minutes,  selecting officers, and endless discussion of
what the club was "going to" do, but very little of what the club "was"
doing, and I never saw but a tiny few of those future projects ever get off
the ground. If anything, any ham radio club or a class I ever wasted my time
attending would have made it certain that any young person I brought along
would never dream of becoming a licensed amateur.

OTOT, I couldn't count the number of times over the years I have run into
people on the air and at hamfests, people I wouldn't have known from Adam
who told me that listening to me and my friends in QSO on 75m and 160m AM in
past years is what first got  them interested in amateur radio or what
inspired them to try the AM mode. More than one who first ventured out with
a crappy weak signal on a plastic radio ended up bitten by the bug and now
operate a "real AM" heavy metal station they put together  themselves.

Maybe, instead of boring club meetings and stuffy ham radio classes, the
best way to attract the kind of newcomers  we would really want to see enter
the hobby is to  simply operate. By that I mean maintain a good attitude and
operate AM regularly, with a good quality clean signal that can be easily
heard and that we could take pride in, and to make every effort to keep our
conversations interesting enough that aspiring newcomers would keep on
listening, and to always be helpful, polite and treat fellow hams over  the
air the same way we would want others to treat us.  

Don k4kyv


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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 17:48:29 -0400
From: "Jack" <JM at D8ALUS.NET>
To: "'Donald Chester'" <k4kyv at charter.net>,    <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] "Ham Guy"
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Oh boy, time to get out the popcorn and sit down to an interesting show! 

BTW - I'm somewhere between the two posts shown below; leaning towards Don's input. Of course, I am an official certified old fart
who earned my stripes the hard way. But.... there is an SDR transceiver on the desk next to the Johnson Viking Valiant and
Hallicrafters SX-101A. Not homebrew, but definitely buzzardly!

-----Original Message-----
From: AMRadio [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Donald Chester
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 5:37 PM
To: amradio at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] "Ham Guy"

> I have had people tell me that they wouldn't get into ham radio 
> because of
the
> bad attitude many hams have toward new people. I wonder John how many
young > people have you invited into your shack to get them interested in ham radio? How  > m any classes have you taught on the
subject? How many
people have you      
> talked to  on two meters inviting them to your clubs meetings? I am
beginning to      > think that it is you who is the problem with your
"elitist" attitude. 
>
> Norbert Sichterman
> KF0XO

I invite guests to my shack from  time to time, but usually they have already expressed some interest in ham radio or they  wouldn't
be there.
Family members and others lacking that interest usually are bewildered by all the clutter and "junk" piled from the floor to the
ceiling, and appear so claustrophobic that they can't wait to get out of the place. Things at my shack are not exactly sparkling
clean and all nice, neat and orderly. My shack probably wouldn't make the cover photo of QST. And furthermore, there isn't a
computer screen, keyboard or mouse to be seen in my station.

As for radio classes, 2m contacts and club meetings, most kids I came in contact with back in my school-teaching days would have
found 2m CB and amateur radio clubs boring as hell, just as I always did.  My 2m rig has been gathering dust on the shelf for over
two decades, and just about every ham radio club meeting I ever attended bored me to tears with financial reports, reading minutes,
selecting officers, and endless discussion of what the club was "going to" do, but very little of what the club "was"
doing, and I never saw but a tiny few of those future projects ever get off the ground. If anything, any ham radio club or a class I
ever wasted my time attending would have made it certain that any young person I brought along would never dream of becoming a
licensed amateur.

OTOT, I couldn't count the number of times over the years I have run into people on the air and at hamfests, people I wouldn't have
known from Adam who told me that listening to me and my friends in QSO on 75m and 160m AM in past years is what first got  them
interested in amateur radio or what inspired them to try the AM mode. More than one who first ventured out with a crappy weak signal
on a plastic radio ended up bitten by the bug and now operate a "real AM" heavy metal station they put together  themselves.

Maybe, instead of boring club meetings and stuffy ham radio classes, the best way to attract the kind of newcomers  we would really
want to see enter the hobby is to  simply operate. By that I mean maintain a good attitude and operate AM regularly, with a good
quality clean signal that can be easily heard and that we could take pride in, and to make every effort to keep our conversations
interesting enough that aspiring newcomers would keep on listening, and to always be helpful, polite and treat fellow hams over  the
air the same way we would want others to treat us.  

Don k4kyv


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