From ne1s at securespeed.us Tue Dec 1 16:43:15 2015 From: ne1s at securespeed.us (Larry Szendrei) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 16:43:15 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] WANTED: Polycomm-2 schematic Message-ID: <565E1473.2000605@securespeed.us> Does anyone have a schematic for the Polytronics Polycomm-2 2M AM transmitter/receiver? I've found a manual for the Polycomm-6 on bama and elsewhere on the web, but one for the -2 has been elusive. I have a non-functional unit on the bench I'm taking a look at for a friend. 73, -Larry/NE1S From paul at paulbaldock.com Tue Dec 1 17:03:46 2015 From: paul at paulbaldock.com (Paul Baldock) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2015 14:03:46 -0800 Subject: [AMRadio] 29.00MHz is Open In-Reply-To: <565E1473.2000605@securespeed.us> References: <565E1473.2000605@securespeed.us> Message-ID: Now all we need is some activity - Paul KW7Y --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From manualman at juno.com Tue Dec 1 17:02:47 2015 From: manualman at juno.com (manualman at juno.com) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 17:02:47 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] WANTED: Polycomm-2 schematic Message-ID: There were at least two different manuals and schematics issued for the Polytronics PC-2, 2 meter rig. The most striking difference to tell them apart is that one used 13CW4 nuvistor. Along with this difference, there were changes in circuitry and components between the two versions. Having the wrong version could drive you insane. Hi Pete, wa2cwa www.manualman.com On Tue, 1 Dec 2015 16:43:15 -0500 Larry Szendrei writes: > Does anyone have a schematic for the Polytronics Polycomm-2 2M AM > transmitter/receiver? I've found a manual for the Polycomm-6 on bama > and > elsewhere on the web, but one for the -2 has been elusive. > > I have a non-functional unit on the bench I'm taking a look at for a > friend. > > 73, > -Larry/NE1S From JM at D8ALUS.NET Tue Dec 1 17:27:17 2015 From: JM at D8ALUS.NET (Jack) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 17:27:17 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] 29.00MHz is Open In-Reply-To: <20151201220429.EB104149B1CC@mailman.qth.net> References: <565E1473.2000605@securespeed.us> <20151201220429.EB104149B1CC@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <00ec01d12c87$6faab2c0$4f001840$@D8ALUS.NET> Tried a few CQ calls - nothing happening on the east coast that I can hear -----Original Message----- From: AMRadio [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Paul Baldock Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 5:04 PM To: amradio at mailman.qth.net Subject: [AMRadio] 29.00MHz is Open Now all we need is some activity - Paul KW7Y --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jm at d8alus.net From ne1s at securespeed.us Tue Dec 1 17:37:08 2015 From: ne1s at securespeed.us (Larry Szendrei) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 17:37:08 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] 29.00MHz is Open In-Reply-To: <565E20D4.9080400@securespeed.us> References: <565E1473.2000605@securespeed.us> <20151201220427.4DAEB149B1CA@mailman.qth.net> <565E203B.5060503@securespeed.us> <565E20D4.9080400@securespeed.us> Message-ID: <565E2114.3030207@securespeed.us> On 12/1/15 5:03 PM, Paul Baldock wrote: > Now all we need is some activity > > - Paul KW7Y Thanks for the heads up, but nothing heard here in Maine. I just called CQ on 29.000 with the antlers pointed west; no takers. 73, -Larry/NE1S From jm at d8alus.net Tue Dec 1 17:46:00 2015 From: jm at d8alus.net (jm at d8alus.net) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 17:46:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [AMRadio] 29.00MHz is Open In-Reply-To: <565E2114.3030207@securespeed.us> References: <565E1473.2000605@securespeed.us> <20151201220427.4DAEB149B1CA@mailman.qth.net> <565E203B.5060503@securespeed.us> <565E20D4.9080400@securespeed.us> <565E2114.3030207@securespeed.us> Message-ID: <1449009960.35836675@apps.rackspace.com> Swinging the beam NNE in the off chance we can hear each other -----Original Message----- From: "Larry Szendrei" Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 5:37pm To: "Discussion of AM Radio" Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 29.00MHz is Open On 12/1/15 5:03 PM, Paul Baldock wrote: > Now all we need is some activity > > - Paul KW7Y Thanks for the heads up, but nothing heard here in Maine. I just called CQ on 29.000 with the antlers pointed west; no takers. 73, -Larry/NE1S ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jm at d8alus.net From jm at d8alus.net Tue Dec 1 17:49:07 2015 From: jm at d8alus.net (jm at d8alus.net) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 17:49:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [AMRadio] 29.00MHz is Open In-Reply-To: <565E2114.3030207@securespeed.us> References: <565E1473.2000605@securespeed.us> <20151201220427.4DAEB149B1CA@mailman.qth.net> <565E203B.5060503@securespeed.us> <565E20D4.9080400@securespeed.us> <565E2114.3030207@securespeed.us> Message-ID: <1449010147.95711001@apps.rackspace.com> Oh well... My dummy load is hearing as much as my log periodic - zilch.... Thanks anyway, Paul - it seems the east coast around here was excluded! 73 Jack WA2OLZ -----Original Message----- From: "Larry Szendrei" Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 5:37pm To: "Discussion of AM Radio" Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 29.00MHz is Open On 12/1/15 5:03 PM, Paul Baldock wrote: > Now all we need is some activity > > - Paul KW7Y Thanks for the heads up, but nothing heard here in Maine. I just called CQ on 29.000 with the antlers pointed west; no takers. 73, -Larry/NE1S ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jm at d8alus.net From paul at paulbaldock.com Tue Dec 1 18:13:04 2015 From: paul at paulbaldock.com (Paul Baldock) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2015 15:13:04 -0800 Subject: [AMRadio] 29.00MHz is Open In-Reply-To: <1449010147.95711001@apps.rackspace.com> References: <565E1473.2000605@securespeed.us> <20151201220427.4DAEB149B1CA@mailman.qth.net> <565E203B.5060503@securespeed.us> <565E20D4.9080400@securespeed.us> <565E2114.3030207@securespeed.us> <1449010147.95711001@apps.rackspace.com> Message-ID: I worked FL and IL from here in WA about an hour ago, with strong signals. - Paul At 02:49 PM 12/1/2015, you wrote: >Oh well... My dummy load is hearing as much as my log periodic - zilch.... > >Thanks anyway, Paul - it seems the east coast around here was excluded! > >73 >Jack >WA2OLZ > >-----Original Message----- >From: "Larry Szendrei" >Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 5:37pm >To: "Discussion of AM Radio" >Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 29.00MHz is Open > >On 12/1/15 5:03 PM, Paul Baldock wrote: > > Now all we need is some activity > > > > - Paul KW7Y >Thanks for the heads up, but nothing heard here in Maine. I just called >CQ on 29.000 with the antlers pointed west; no takers. > >73, >-Larry/NE1S > > > > >______________________________________________________________ >Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >AMRadio mailing list >Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ >List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net >To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with >the word unsubscribe in the message body. > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to jm at d8alus.net > > >______________________________________________________________ >Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >AMRadio mailing list >Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ >List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net >To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with >the word unsubscribe in the message body. > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to paul at paulbaldock.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From manualman at juno.com Tue Dec 1 19:17:11 2015 From: manualman at juno.com (manualman at juno.com) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 19:17:11 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] 29.00MHz is Open Message-ID: I might be wise to include your actual local time rather then just "an hour ago". Depending on when a person actually retrieves their e-mail and how your mail provider time stamps each e-mail, "an hour ago" doesn't really give us an accurate view of when it happened. People may run to their stations to fire up their rigs only to find the band dead because the opening really happened several hours earlier. At 7PM EST, prop maps shows good 10 meter activity towards Australia and South America from the west coast. Nothing appearing from central or eastern U.S. Pete, wa2cwa On Tue, 01 Dec 2015 15:13:04 -0800 Paul Baldock writes: > I worked FL and IL from here in WA about an hour ago, with strong > signals. > > - Paul > > At 02:49 PM 12/1/2015, you wrote: > >Oh well... My dummy load is hearing as much as my log periodic - > zilch.... > > > >Thanks anyway, Paul - it seems the east coast around here was > excluded! > > > >73 > >Jack > >WA2OLZ From k4kyv at charter.net Thu Dec 3 12:06:44 2015 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 11:06:44 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Listening to the Rumrunners: Radio Intelligence during Prohibition Message-ID: <006701d12dec$fcef2d80$f6cd8880$@charter.net> A free download, this 44 page book is in .pdf format. Yes, it's published by NSA. The author was a career employee and his last assignment was as a historian for the agency. One rumrunning group reportedly paid its radio guru $10k a year. $136,688 in to-day's dollarettes. If the reflector software truncates this URL with a line break, you may have to manually copy and paste the full URL into the address bar of your browser. https://www.nsa.gov/about/_files/cryptologic_heritage/publications/prewii/ru mrunners.pdf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From W4AWM at aol.com Thu Dec 3 12:43:28 2015 From: W4AWM at aol.com (W4AWM at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 12:43:28 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Listening to the Rumrunners: Radio Intelligence during Prohibit... Message-ID: Great reading, thanks. If you copy and paste the URL, be sure to remove the space between the word rumrunners or you will get an error message. It came out that way on my address block but is OK in the email. 73 and happy reading, John, W4AWM In a message dated 12/3/2015 12:13:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, k4kyv at charter.net writes: https://www.nsa.gov/about/_files/cryptologic_heritage/publications/prewii/ru mrunners.pdf From qedconsultants at embarqmail.com Sun Dec 6 06:14:58 2015 From: qedconsultants at embarqmail.com (Bernie Doran) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 06:14:58 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] ELECTRIC RADIO Message-ID: <117E8DE0AB4F4C65A5ADEE2478223763@berniePC> ----- Original Message ----- From: Bernie Doran To: amradio at mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 6:11 AM Subject: ELECTRIC RADIO I have some back issues(22) mostly 2013 and 2014. they are free to the first HAM to ask, just send me back the cost of mailing. Thanks Bernie W8RPW From qedconsultants at embarqmail.com Sun Dec 6 06:24:22 2015 From: qedconsultants at embarqmail.com (Bernie Doran) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 06:24:22 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] ELECTRIC RADIO MAGS GONE Message-ID: <71A41617CD434E7E8AE86264F103EC47@berniePC> That was really quick. From davkow at charter.net Sun Dec 6 17:54:40 2015 From: davkow at charter.net (John) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 16:54:40 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] electric radio Message-ID: <5664BCB0.1060104@charter.net> me me me me me please me K2OPT since 1953 davkow at charter.net tnx and 73 and GB From k4kyv at charter.net Tue Dec 8 23:16:56 2015 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 22:16:56 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] FW: Harris 1 kw am transmitter Message-ID: <005601d13238$71611440$54233cc0$@charter.net> I'm not interested, but I'm forwarding this along to anyone else who might be. Please submit your reply to: flyfshn76 at gmail.com 73, Don k4kyv ________________________________ > Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 22:55:35 -0500 > Subject: Harris 1 kw am transmitter > From: flyfshn76 at gmail.com > To: k4kyv at hotmail.com > > I am not sure if you would be able to help with this or not. I have a > friend that has one of these transmitter that was at a tower that is > now used for 2 meter repeater. He is trying to sale it and I have > heard you on AM. I believe that it was used to transmit on 1700 mhz. > I don't know a whole lot about it other than it is solid state. If > interested in it or have any questions that I can find the answer to > let me know. See if any of the AM crowd would be interested. Thanks. > > 73 de K8BEC > > -- > Bryan --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Sat Dec 12 13:20:37 2015 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 12:20:37 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] off topic (sorry) qrz.com hotlinks Message-ID: hi, Does anyone know how to stick a hotlink url in their qrz.com listing? The "form" you fill out for your life's story is set up so it apparently won't take your standard marked up URL with the html tags. It simply displays everything like it is ascii text. I just need "do a.b.and then c." type directions and I don't have time to screw around with qrz.com trying to find this stuff out. It can be done because some people have hotlinked words embedded in their listings. the background is I got told about a policy change where I work so I can't stick a few files up there and have them host them. I had some files like pdf scans of old manuals there for the past 5 or 6 years and I had to take them down. I figured this would happen eventually and I have them on Google Drive (or Docs) with these godawful google hash URLs and I want to post the links in a nice clickable way on my qrz.com page so they are still accessible (and not costing me any money). the links look okay in a html file but I need to know the incantation to get them to be treated like links in qrz.com or is this some kind of feature you have to pay for. Here's an example of what I'm trying to embed: meissner150B.pdf Meissner 150B pdf manual 28MB
tnx Rob K5UJ From manualman at juno.com Sat Dec 12 14:19:06 2015 From: manualman at juno.com (manualman at juno.com) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 14:19:06 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] off topic (sorry) qrz.com hotlinks Message-ID: I'm not a software person but: Maybe it's a subscriber perk. Try going to a page that you know that has embedded links; right click on the page, then click "view page source" and scroll around until you find how the embedded link was actually written. Maybe there's something unique on how it has to be written. Pete, wa2cwa On Sat, 12 Dec 2015 12:20:37 -0600 Rob Atkinson writes: > hi, > > Does anyone know how to stick a hotlink url in their qrz.com > listing? > > The "form" you fill out for your life's story is set up so it > apparently won't take your standard marked up URL with the html > tags. > It simply displays everything like it is ascii text. > > I just need "do a.b.and then c." type directions and I don't have > time > to screw around with qrz.com trying to find this stuff out. It can > be > done because some people have hotlinked words embedded in their > listings. > > the background is I got told about a policy change where I work so > I > can't stick a few files up there and have them host them. I had > some > files like pdf scans of old manuals there for the past 5 or 6 years > and I had to take them down. I figured this would happen > eventually > and I have them on Google Drive (or Docs) with these godawful > google > hash URLs and I want to post the links in a nice clickable way on > my > qrz.com page so they are still accessible (and not costing me any > money). > > the links look okay in a html file but I need to know the > incantation > to get them to be treated like links in qrz.com or is this some > kind > of feature you have to pay for. > > Here's an example of what I'm trying to embed: > > target="_blank" href=" > target="_blank" href=" > https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B74-bTqyRiT9VE9GVm9TYmdrLVk/view?usp=sha ring > ">meissner150B.pdf Meissner 150B pdf manual 28MB
> > tnx > > Rob > K5UJ From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Sat Dec 12 14:54:47 2015 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 13:54:47 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] off topic (sorry) qrz.com hotlinks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: the example I looked at, K9CT is in fact listed as a "premium subscriber." The mark up for one of his links is K1N, Navassa which is pretty basic. I'll try that; maybe qrz.com doesn't like all the other html configure variables I have (but any standard client would accept them). The problem is they have this template they want you to use. You can't just give them a html file. The template seems to get in the way of how I know how to set up a hotlink. if $$ is what it takes I'll just list the links in plain text so anyone can cut and paste into a browser http address box to get a file. I'll have a list of what each link is next to each link. I just thought it would be nicer to have the text in the list hot clickable. I just don't have time to make this a big production. tnx 73 Rob K5UJ On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 1:19 PM, wrote: > I'm not a software person but: > Maybe it's a subscriber perk. > Try going to a page that you know that has embedded links; right click on > the page, then click "view page source" and scroll around until you find > how the embedded link was actually written. Maybe there's something > unique on how it has to be written. > > Pete, wa2cwa > > From navy.radio at gmail.com Sat Dec 12 16:48:21 2015 From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 16:48:21 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] off topic (sorry) qrz.com hotlinks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here's "do a.b.and then c. Log in to QRZ with callsign and password at the upper right is EDIT - pull down to click "edit callsign" Select "add or edit biography" You'll see a bunch of formatting buttons at the top of your edit screen. Highlight the text you want to hotlink and then click on the "link" button (second row, near the end before the flag - hover your cursor to see what those little icons mean) Then you can just enter your long URL into the popup box. This works FB for me and I am just a regular unleaded "ham member". Good luck, Nick England K4NYW www.navy-radio.com From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Sat Dec 12 19:23:57 2015 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 18:23:57 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] off topic (sorry) qrz.com hotlinks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nick thanks. The key thing I was missing was "highlight the text then click the 'link' button" I didn't know to highlight the text first. I saw that link button and fooled around with it but it looked like a complex PITA. I think I can handle it now that I have the quick and dirty method. 73 Rob K5UJ On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Nick England wrote: > Here's "do a.b.and then c. > > Log in to QRZ with callsign and password > at the upper right is EDIT - pull down to click "edit callsign" > Select "add or edit biography" > You'll see a bunch of formatting buttons at the top of your edit screen. > Highlight the text you want to hotlink and then click on the "link" button > (second row, near the end before the flag - hover your cursor to see what > those little icons mean) > Then you can just enter your long URL into the popup box. > This works FB for me and I am just a regular unleaded "ham member". > > Good luck, > Nick England K4NYW > www.navy-radio.com > From k4deejim at aol.com Sat Dec 12 19:53:51 2015 From: k4deejim at aol.com (k4deejim at aol.com) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 19:53:51 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Fwd: [Collins] Fwd: FS. Collins R-390, ( non A ) In-Reply-To: <15198d1f15e-7150-e0b0@webprd-a57.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <15198d45842-7150-e0be@webprd-a57.mail.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: k4deejim--- via Collins To: collins Sent: Sat, Dec 12, 2015 7:51 pm Subject: [Collins] Fwd: FS. Collins R-390, ( non A ) -----Original Message----- From: k4deejim To: collins Sent: Sat, Dec 12, 2015 7:45 pm Subject: Fwd: FS. Collins R-390, ( non A ) -----Original Message----- From: k4deejim To: collins Sent: Sat, Nov 7, 2015 9:05 pm Subject: FS. Collins R-390, ( non A ) For Sale, Collins R-390, ( non A ) , does not have mechanical filters but has 6 IF stages for selectivity and quality audio enjoyment . This radio is currently in a rack but I have a very nice steel cabinet and the top and bottom covers from Collins that are included in the price. It is in good attractive condition as well is very good working condition,even the squelch circuit performs as it should. The front panel was redone professionally about 20 years ago with the radio keept in a air-conditioned non-smoking .home. Meters, knobs and color are original.Price is $ 675 ,Included also is a copy of all the manuals for this radio procidedby the gov't. I prefer local pick up in Easley, SC 73 de Jim-K4DEE ______________________________________________________________ Collins mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/collins Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Collins at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From w5jo at brightok.net Thu Dec 17 19:59:45 2015 From: w5jo at brightok.net (w5jo at brightok.net) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 18:59:45 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Tubes Message-ID: <3B3E12C7C0AF4BD39E94577D3E6A231B@JimPC> I just noticed that at 7 PM CST the program "How it is Made" will have a segment on the construction of vacuum tubes. The program is on the Science Channel which on Dish is channel 193. Jim W5JO From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Thu Dec 17 21:52:01 2015 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:52:01 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] 1936 kc AM nite tonight Message-ID: It only now occurred to me to post this reminder or news. Sorry about that, but anyway it is not too late to check into the Annual 1936 Cincinnati Net, on 1936 kc. It is the annual historic AM night when the net is conducted in the AM mode only, to commemorate the founding of the net. It is still going on at this time (8:50 p.m. central time) and I think they plan to continue for another two hours or so. Net control is Bill NM4H? NM4 something, can't remember the suffix. 73 Rob K5UJ From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Sat Dec 19 16:07:01 2015 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:07:01 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Viking 1 Message-ID: why are people bidding up at $1300 for a Viking 1. It is a nice looking one, but still, thirteen hundred bucks? I've seen nice looking V1s go for $200 to $250 with the 122 and D104 included. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Johnson-Viking-1-Ham-Radio-Transmitter-/201484288528 Must be the Holiday season or something. At least it is kind of entertaining. Rob K5UJ From w5jo at brightok.net Sat Dec 19 16:17:50 2015 From: w5jo at brightok.net (w5jo at brightok.net) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:17:50 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Viking 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <894CDB3FDE564FD28F8331E26A28DC3A@JimPC> Not only is the price strange but look at the bids. The same guy has repeatedly bid it up. I think if I placed a bid it would show then the up bid by the other guy. The guy who is winning started bidding at 320, doubled that amount then took it all the way to the present price. I can not explain what is going on, maybe someone who uses eBay regularly can. Jim W5JO -----Original Message----- why are people bidding up at $1300 for a Viking 1. It is a nice looking one, but still, thirteen hundred bucks? I've seen nice looking V1s go for $200 to $250 with the 122 and D104 included. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Johnson-Viking-1-Ham-Radio-Transmitter-/201484288528 Must be the Holiday season or something. At least it is kind of entertaining. Rob K5UJ From Tonne at Comcast.net Sat Dec 19 16:23:45 2015 From: Tonne at Comcast.net (Jim Tonne) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 16:23:45 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Viking 1 In-Reply-To: <894CDB3FDE564FD28F8331E26A28DC3A@JimPC> References: <894CDB3FDE564FD28F8331E26A28DC3A@JimPC> Message-ID: <5675CAE1.8040505@Comcast.net> If that is the case I would bet it is the seller's buddy and if that is the case and if Ebay finds out the seller will be black-listed. - Jim W4ENE On 12/19/2015 4:17 PM, w5jo at brightok.net wrote: > Not only is the price strange but look at the bids. The same guy has > repeatedly bid it up. I think if I placed a bid it would show then > the up bid by the other guy. The guy who is winning started bidding > at 320, doubled that amount then took it all the way to the present > price. > > I can not explain what is going on, maybe someone who uses eBay > regularly can. > > Jim > W5JO > > -----Original Message----- > why are people bidding up at $1300 for a Viking 1. > > It is a nice looking one, but still, thirteen hundred bucks? I've > seen nice looking V1s go for $200 to $250 with the 122 and D104 > included. > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Johnson-Viking-1-Ham-Radio-Transmitter-/201484288528 > > > Must be the Holiday season or something. At least it is kind of > entertaining. > > Rob > K5UJ From mikebracey at att.net Sat Dec 19 16:34:28 2015 From: mikebracey at att.net (Mike Bracey) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 21:34:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] Viking 1 In-Reply-To: <894CDB3FDE564FD28F8331E26A28DC3A@JimPC> References: <894CDB3FDE564FD28F8331E26A28DC3A@JimPC> Message-ID: <1100477920.1257643.1450560868466.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> The fellow who is winning had put in a really high top bid. At least one other person really wants it and has run the bid up. Every time the bid has risen is because someone else has bid against. It will only show the high bidder until his high bid is topped. 73, Mike KE5YTV From: "w5jo at brightok.net" To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Viking 1 Not only is the price strange but look at the bids.? The same guy has repeatedly bid it up.? I think if I placed a bid it would show then the up bid by the other guy.? The guy who is winning started bidding at 320, doubled that amount then took it all the way to the present price. I can not explain what is going on, maybe someone who uses eBay regularly can. Jim W5JO -----Original Message----- why are people bidding up at $1300 for a Viking 1. It is a nice looking one, but still, thirteen hundred bucks?? I've seen nice looking V1s go for $200 to $250 with the 122 and D104 included. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Johnson-Viking-1-Ham-Radio-Transmitter-/201484288528 Must be the Holiday season or something.? At least it is kind of entertaining. Rob K5UJ ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net/ AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net/ Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to mikebracey at att.net From Tonne at Comcast.net Sat Dec 19 16:51:50 2015 From: Tonne at Comcast.net (Jim Tonne) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 16:51:50 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Viking 1 In-Reply-To: <2CDB98FF-5BB4-4408-B545-AC41A247C485@mac.com> References: <894CDB3FDE564FD28F8331E26A28DC3A@JimPC> <5675CAE1.8040505@Comcast.net> <2CDB98FF-5BB4-4408-B545-AC41A247C485@mac.com> Message-ID: <5675D176.9000901@Comcast.net> I just looked at the list of bidders and their bids and the words "silly" and "stupid" surely come to mind!! Makes one wonder if perhaps the word "inebriated" might also be involved. - Jim W4ENE On 12/19/2015 4:37 PM, Brian Hemmis wrote: > If you place a maximum bid that you are willing to pay that?s a lot higher that the current bid your name will continue to be listed in the bids as others bid you up to your maximum. Hope this makes sense. Nothing necessarily wrong. Some bidders like to nudge up the existing high bidder just to see how far he?s willing to go. > 73, Brian K3USC > From manualman at juno.com Sat Dec 19 16:54:14 2015 From: manualman at juno.com (manualman at juno.com) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 16:54:14 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Viking 1 Message-ID: Yep, that's the way I see it. A bunch of the bids were automatic. The bidder with zero feedback (always a flag to me), pushed the other guy's very high reserve (an unreal reserve) all the way up. Of course, if $1300 is too low for you, you can bid on a Viking II/Viking 122 for $3000. Ebay 262195009136 It's Holiday time; people do strange things that defy logic. Pete, wa2cwa On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 21:34:28 +0000 (UTC) Mike Bracey writes: > > The fellow who is winning had put in a really high top bid. At > least one other person really wants it and has run the bid up. Every > time the bid has risen is because someone else has bid against. It > will only show the high bidder until his high bid is topped. > 73, > Mike KE5YTV > > From: "w5jo at brightok.net" > To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service > > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 3:17 PM > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Viking 1 > > Not only is the price strange but look at the bids. The same guy > has > repeatedly bid it up. I think if I placed a bid it would show then > the up > bid by the other guy. The guy who is winning started bidding at > 320, > doubled that amount then took it all the way to the present price. > > I can not explain what is going on, maybe someone who uses eBay > regularly > can. > > Jim > W5JO From ken at wa0sbu.com Sat Dec 19 17:54:55 2015 From: ken at wa0sbu.com (Ken) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 16:54:55 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Viking 1 In-Reply-To: <5675CAE1.8040505@Comcast.net> References: <894CDB3FDE564FD28F8331E26A28DC3A@JimPC> <5675CAE1.8040505@Comcast.net> Message-ID: <1450565695.4414.1.camel@ken-Latitude-D630> Jim; Why would he be blacklisted? Can't his buddy bid on it? If he wins, he still has to pay for it. Ken On Sat, 2015-12-19 at 16:23 -0500, Jim Tonne wrote: > If that is the case I would bet it is the seller's buddy and if that is > the case > and if Ebay finds out the seller will be black-listed. > > - Jim W4ENE > > > > On 12/19/2015 4:17 PM, w5jo at brightok.net wrote: > > Not only is the price strange but look at the bids. The same guy has > > repeatedly bid it up. I think if I placed a bid it would show then > > the up bid by the other guy. The guy who is winning started bidding > > at 320, doubled that amount then took it all the way to the present > > price. > > > > I can not explain what is going on, maybe someone who uses eBay > > regularly can. > > > > Jim > > W5JO > > > > -----Original Message----- > > why are people bidding up at $1300 for a Viking 1. > > > > It is a nice looking one, but still, thirteen hundred bucks? I've > > seen nice looking V1s go for $200 to $250 with the 122 and D104 > > included. > > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Johnson-Viking-1-Ham-Radio-Transmitter-/201484288528 > > > > > > Must be the Holiday season or something. At least it is kind of > > entertaining. > > > > Rob > > K5UJ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ken at wa0sbu.com From JM at D8ALUS.NET Sat Dec 19 17:59:29 2015 From: JM at D8ALUS.NET (Jack) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 17:59:29 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Viking 1 In-Reply-To: <1450565695.4414.1.camel@ken-Latitude-D630> References: <894CDB3FDE564FD28F8331E26A28DC3A@JimPC> <5675CAE1.8040505@Comcast.net> <1450565695.4414.1.camel@ken-Latitude-D630> Message-ID: <001501d13ab0$ea8c3f90$bfa4beb0$@D8ALUS.NET> Because A) it is contrary to EBay rules, and B) because his only intent is to drive the price up artificially. He does not have to pay for it. The only requirement is that the seller pays EBay's fee. -----Original Message----- From: AMRadio [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 5:55 PM To: Jim Tonne Cc: amradio at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Viking 1 Jim; Why would he be blacklisted? Can't his buddy bid on it? If he wins, he still has to pay for it. Ken On Sat, 2015-12-19 at 16:23 -0500, Jim Tonne wrote: > If that is the case I would bet it is the seller's buddy and if that > is the case and if Ebay finds out the seller will be black-listed. > > - Jim W4ENE > > > > On 12/19/2015 4:17 PM, w5jo at brightok.net wrote: > > Not only is the price strange but look at the bids. The same guy has > > repeatedly bid it up. I think if I placed a bid it would show then > > the up bid by the other guy. The guy who is winning started bidding > > at 320, doubled that amount then took it all the way to the present > > price. > > > > I can not explain what is going on, maybe someone who uses eBay > > regularly can. > > > > Jim > > W5JO > > > > -----Original Message----- > > why are people bidding up at $1300 for a Viking 1. > > > > It is a nice looking one, but still, thirteen hundred bucks? I've > > seen nice looking V1s go for $200 to $250 with the 122 and D104 > > included. > > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Johnson-Viking-1-Ham-Radio-Transmitter-/2014 > > 84288528 > > > > > > Must be the Holiday season or something. At least it is kind of > > entertaining. > > > > Rob > > K5UJ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > ken at wa0sbu.com ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jm at d8alus.net From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Sat Dec 19 19:00:15 2015 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:00:15 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Viking 1 In-Reply-To: <001501d13ab0$ea8c3f90$bfa4beb0$@D8ALUS.NET> References: <894CDB3FDE564FD28F8331E26A28DC3A@JimPC> <5675CAE1.8040505@Comcast.net> <1450565695.4414.1.camel@ken-Latitude-D630> <001501d13ab0$ea8c3f90$bfa4beb0$@D8ALUS.NET> Message-ID: I bet when this thing is over, whoever is on the hook for $1300+ will back out and we'll be seeing that Viking 1 for sale again. Yes, I have also seen the $3000 Viking 2? Someone who has no idea what they are doing. It is one of what I call the eBay zombies. They are on there, sometimes for years. The $4500 Comet Pro is an example. Another one was the T50 mounted in a rack for something like $700. Rob K5UJ On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 4:59 PM, Jack wrote: > Because A) it is contrary to EBay rules, and B) because his only intent is > to drive the price up artificially. He does not have to pay for it. The only > requirement is that the seller pays EBay's fee. From ken at wa0sbu.com Sat Dec 19 21:12:38 2015 From: ken at wa0sbu.com (Ken) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 20:12:38 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Viking 1 In-Reply-To: <001501d13ab0$ea8c3f90$bfa4beb0$@D8ALUS.NET> References: <894CDB3FDE564FD28F8331E26A28DC3A@JimPC> <5675CAE1.8040505@Comcast.net> <1450565695.4414.1.camel@ken-Latitude-D630> <001501d13ab0$ea8c3f90$bfa4beb0$@D8ALUS.NET> Message-ID: <1450577558.4414.2.camel@ken-Latitude-D630> Yes, he has to pay for it. On Sat, 2015-12-19 at 17:59 -0500, Jack wrote: > Because A) it is contrary to EBay rules, and B) because his only intent is > to drive the price up artificially. He does not have to pay for it. The only > requirement is that the seller pays EBay's fee. > > -----Original Message----- > From: AMRadio [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 5:55 PM > To: Jim Tonne > Cc: amradio at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Viking 1 > > Jim; > Why would he be blacklisted? Can't his buddy bid on it? If he wins, he > still has to pay for it. > > Ken > > On Sat, 2015-12-19 at 16:23 -0500, Jim Tonne wrote: > > If that is the case I would bet it is the seller's buddy and if that > > is the case and if Ebay finds out the seller will be black-listed. > > > > - Jim W4ENE > > > > > > > > On 12/19/2015 4:17 PM, w5jo at brightok.net wrote: > > > Not only is the price strange but look at the bids. The same guy has > > > repeatedly bid it up. I think if I placed a bid it would show then > > > the up bid by the other guy. The guy who is winning started bidding > > > at 320, doubled that amount then took it all the way to the present > > > price. > > > > > > I can not explain what is going on, maybe someone who uses eBay > > > regularly can. > > > > > > Jim > > > W5JO > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > why are people bidding up at $1300 for a Viking 1. > > > > > > It is a nice looking one, but still, thirteen hundred bucks? I've > > > seen nice looking V1s go for $200 to $250 with the 122 and D104 > > > included. > > > > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Johnson-Viking-1-Ham-Radio-Transmitter-/2014 > > > 84288528 > > > > > > > > > Must be the Holiday season or something. At least it is kind of > > > entertaining. > > > > > > Rob > > > K5UJ > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list > > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: > > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > ken at wa0sbu.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the > word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to jm at d8alus.net > From JM at D8ALUS.NET Sat Dec 19 21:43:29 2015 From: JM at D8ALUS.NET (Jack) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 21:43:29 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Viking 1 In-Reply-To: <1450577558.4414.2.camel@ken-Latitude-D630> References: <894CDB3FDE564FD28F8331E26A28DC3A@JimPC> <5675CAE1.8040505@Comcast.net> <1450565695.4414.1.camel@ken-Latitude-D630> <001501d13ab0$ea8c3f90$bfa4beb0$@D8ALUS.NET> <1450577558.4414.2.camel@ken-Latitude-D630> Message-ID: <001501d13ad0$35ec1d10$a1c45730$@D8ALUS.NET> It is called a 'shill buyer'. Either the buyer himself creates a second (or third, fourth, fifth) ID and bids up the price, or has a friend submit the price-increasing bids on his behalf. The hope is that someone else will also keep bidding and will win the auction. In either case, the shill bidder does not really pay anything. The seller still owes EBay their pound of flesh, but nobody actually gets paid for the goods or is there a transfer of ownership. It was much easier to see this type of activity before EBay chose to hide bidder IDs several years ago. Now we can see a pattern that suggests a shill is in action, but can't be sure. -----Original Message----- From: Ken [mailto:ken at wa0sbu.com] Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 9:13 PM To: Jack Cc: 'Jim Tonne' ; amradio at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Viking 1 Yes, he has to pay for it. On Sat, 2015-12-19 at 17:59 -0500, Jack wrote: > Because A) it is contrary to EBay rules, and B) because his only > intent is to drive the price up artificially. He does not have to pay > for it. The only requirement is that the seller pays EBay's fee. > > -----Original Message----- > From: AMRadio [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Ken > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 5:55 PM > To: Jim Tonne > Cc: amradio at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Viking 1 > > Jim; > Why would he be blacklisted? Can't his buddy bid on it? If he > wins, he still has to pay for it. > > Ken > > On Sat, 2015-12-19 at 16:23 -0500, Jim Tonne wrote: > > If that is the case I would bet it is the seller's buddy and if that > > is the case and if Ebay finds out the seller will be black-listed. > > > > - Jim W4ENE > > > > > > > > On 12/19/2015 4:17 PM, w5jo at brightok.net wrote: > > > Not only is the price strange but look at the bids. The same guy > > > has repeatedly bid it up. I think if I placed a bid it would show > > > then the up bid by the other guy. The guy who is winning started > > > bidding at 320, doubled that amount then took it all the way to > > > the present price. > > > > > > I can not explain what is going on, maybe someone who uses eBay > > > regularly can. > > > > > > Jim > > > W5JO > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > why are people bidding up at $1300 for a Viking 1. > > > > > > It is a nice looking one, but still, thirteen hundred bucks? I've > > > seen nice looking V1s go for $200 to $250 with the 122 and D104 > > > included. > > > > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Johnson-Viking-1-Ham-Radio-Transmitter-/20 > > > 14 > > > 84288528 > > > > > > > > > Must be the Holiday season or something. At least it is kind of > > > entertaining. > > > > > > Rob > > > K5UJ > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list > > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: > > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net > > with the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > > email > > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > ken at wa0sbu.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > jm at d8alus.net > From mjcal77 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 20 00:02:45 2015 From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 05:02:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] Viking 1 References: <418826086.1315795.1450587765430.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <418826086.1315795.1450587765430.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I missed the bidder ID in my earlier comment, h***u with his high bid triggered the bidder n***u autobid up to 1300. He must really want that Viking 1, hope he enjoys it. Charlie, W4MEC in NC From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Sun Dec 20 05:53:30 2015 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 04:53:30 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Viking 1 In-Reply-To: <418826086.1315795.1450587765430.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <418826086.1315795.1450587765430.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <418826086.1315795.1450587765430.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The problem with this is that if this thing really sold to a non-shill for $1300, then every estate buyer/liquidator who gets an old ham rig and searches for old listings will see that: "One of these things sold for THIRTEEN HUNDRED DOLLARS!!!" and no regular ham AM rig will ever be reasonably priced by non-hams again, at least not for the next 12 months or so. I've never bought a rig on eBay, but hams in QTHs where there are no hamfests or one per year, may have a problem. Rob K5UJ On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 11:02 PM, CL in NC via AMRadio wrote: > I missed the bidder ID in my earlier comment, h***u with his high bid triggered the bidder n***u autobid up to 1300. He must really want that Viking 1, hope he enjoys it. From jay.walker.voiceover at gmail.com Sun Dec 20 06:09:39 2015 From: jay.walker.voiceover at gmail.com (Jay Walker) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 05:09:39 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 143, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Years ago and I'm talking decades, eBay was a fairly reasonable place to buy 'can't find it got to have it' rigs. I've seen some wild shilling and bid wars over the years so I'm not surprised by the Viking listing. At one time there was the 'legendary' seller known as 'Radiomart' who had one of the worst reputations on eBay. If you want to kill an afternoon Google his name and be prepared to sit a spell reading the many forums discussing his practices. I tell any new ham/collector to remember eBay is an auction, and when you 'win' an item, you paid the highest price in the world' at the time of the auction. Also 'works' is a very relative term on eBay as it can mean anything from 'the dial lights work and it doesn't blow fire' to 'works at factory specs'. Usually the 'blows fire' definition is what you find.. On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 4:53 AM, wrote: > Send AMRadio mailing list submissions to > amradio at mailman.qth.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > amradio-request at mailman.qth.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > amradio-owner at mailman.qth.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of AMRadio digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Viking 1 (Rob Atkinson) > 2. Re: Viking 1 (Ken) > 3. Re: Viking 1 (Jack) > 4. Re: Viking 1 (CL in NC) > 5. Re: Viking 1 (Rob Atkinson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:00:15 -0600 > From: Rob Atkinson > To: Jack > Cc: Ken , Jim Tonne , Discussion > of AM Radio in the Amateur Service > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Viking 1 > Message-ID: > < > CALWD7Z4w5g8Lhy3G4uzD52WUon44SUS9D3ZnCSSSx74g0LExSg at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I bet when this thing is over, whoever is on the hook for $1300+ will > back out and we'll be seeing that Viking 1 for sale again. > > Yes, I have also seen the $3000 Viking 2? Someone who has no idea > what they are doing. It is one of what I call the eBay zombies. They > are on there, sometimes for years. The $4500 Comet Pro is an example. > Another one was the T50 mounted in a rack for something like $700. > > Rob > K5UJ > > On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 4:59 PM, Jack wrote: > > Because A) it is contrary to EBay rules, and B) because his only intent > is > > to drive the price up artificially. He does not have to pay for it. The > only > > requirement is that the seller pays EBay's fee. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 20:12:38 -0600 > From: Ken > To: Jack > Cc: 'Jim Tonne' , amradio at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Viking 1 > Message-ID: <1450577558.4414.2.camel at ken-Latitude-D630> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Yes, he has to pay for it. > > > On Sat, 2015-12-19 at 17:59 -0500, Jack wrote: > > Because A) it is contrary to EBay rules, and B) because his only intent > is > > to drive the price up artificially. He does not have to pay for it. The > only > > requirement is that the seller pays EBay's fee. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AMRadio [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken > > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 5:55 PM > > To: Jim Tonne > > Cc: amradio at mailman.qth.net > > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Viking 1 > > > > Jim; > > Why would he be blacklisted? Can't his buddy bid on it? If he wins, > he > > still has to pay for it. > > > > Ken > > > > On Sat, 2015-12-19 at 16:23 -0500, Jim Tonne wrote: > > > If that is the case I would bet it is the seller's buddy and if that > > > is the case and if Ebay finds out the seller will be black-listed. > > > > > > - Jim W4ENE > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/19/2015 4:17 PM, w5jo at brightok.net wrote: > > > > Not only is the price strange but look at the bids. The same guy has > > > > repeatedly bid it up. I think if I placed a bid it would show then > > > > the up bid by the other guy. The guy who is winning started bidding > > > > at 320, doubled that amount then took it all the way to the present > > > > price. > > > > > > > > I can not explain what is going on, maybe someone who uses eBay > > > > regularly can. > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > W5JO > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > why are people bidding up at $1300 for a Viking 1. > > > > > > > > It is a nice looking one, but still, thirteen hundred bucks? I've > > > > seen nice looking V1s go for $200 to $250 with the 122 and D104 > > > > included. > > > > > > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Johnson-Viking-1-Ham-Radio-Transmitter-/2014 > > > > 84288528 > > > > > > > > > > > > Must be the Holiday season or something. At least it is kind of > > > > entertaining. > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > K5UJ > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list > > > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > > > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: > > > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > > > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > > > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > > > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > > > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > > ken at wa0sbu.com > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > > AMRadio mailing list > > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: > > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the > > word unsubscribe in the message body. > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > > delivered to jm at d8alus.net > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 21:43:29 -0500 > From: "Jack" > To: "'Ken'" > Cc: > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Viking 1 > Message-ID: <001501d13ad0$35ec1d10$a1c45730$@D8ALUS.NET> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > It is called a 'shill buyer'. Either the buyer himself creates a second > (or third, fourth, fifth) ID and bids up the price, or has a friend submit > the price-increasing bids on his behalf. The hope is that someone else will > also keep bidding and will win the auction. In either case, the shill > bidder does not really pay anything. The seller still owes EBay their pound > of flesh, but nobody actually gets paid for the goods or is there a > transfer of ownership. > > It was much easier to see this type of activity before EBay chose to hide > bidder IDs several years ago. Now we can see a pattern that suggests a > shill is in action, but can't be sure. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken [mailto:ken at wa0sbu.com] > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 9:13 PM > To: Jack > Cc: 'Jim Tonne' ; amradio at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Viking 1 > > Yes, he has to pay for it. > > > On Sat, 2015-12-19 at 17:59 -0500, Jack wrote: > > Because A) it is contrary to EBay rules, and B) because his only > > intent is to drive the price up artificially. He does not have to pay > > for it. The only requirement is that the seller pays EBay's fee. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AMRadio [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > > Ken > > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 5:55 PM > > To: Jim Tonne > > Cc: amradio at mailman.qth.net > > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Viking 1 > > > > Jim; > > Why would he be blacklisted? Can't his buddy bid on it? If he > > wins, he still has to pay for it. > > > > Ken > > > > On Sat, 2015-12-19 at 16:23 -0500, Jim Tonne wrote: > > > If that is the case I would bet it is the seller's buddy and if that > > > is the case and if Ebay finds out the seller will be black-listed. > > > > > > - Jim W4ENE > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/19/2015 4:17 PM, w5jo at brightok.net wrote: > > > > Not only is the price strange but look at the bids. The same guy > > > > has repeatedly bid it up. I think if I placed a bid it would show > > > > then the up bid by the other guy. The guy who is winning started > > > > bidding at 320, doubled that amount then took it all the way to > > > > the present price. > > > > > > > > I can not explain what is going on, maybe someone who uses eBay > > > > regularly can. > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > W5JO > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > why are people bidding up at $1300 for a Viking 1. > > > > > > > > It is a nice looking one, but still, thirteen hundred bucks? I've > > > > seen nice looking V1s go for $200 to $250 with the 122 and D104 > > > > included. > > > > > > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Johnson-Viking-1-Ham-Radio-Transmitter-/20 > > > > 14 > > > > 84288528 > > > > > > > > > > > > Must be the Holiday season or something. At least it is kind of > > > > entertaining. > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > K5UJ > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list > > > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > > > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: > > > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > > > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > > > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net > > > with the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > > > email > > > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > > ken at wa0sbu.com > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list > > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: > > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > jm at d8alus.net > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 05:02:45 +0000 (UTC) > From: CL in NC > To: > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Viking 1 > Message-ID: > <418826086.1315795.1450587765430.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I missed the bidder ID in my earlier comment, h***u with his high bid > triggered the bidder n***u autobid up to 1300. He must really want that > Viking 1, hope he enjoys it. > > Charlie, W4MEC in NC > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 04:53:30 -0600 > From: Rob Atkinson > To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service > > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Viking 1 > Message-ID: > m91jLA5Bre4aCKW0iwTnuNGiMZkENkKsk7r+SevQcA at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > The problem with this is that if this thing really sold to a non-shill > for $1300, then every estate buyer/liquidator who gets an old ham rig > and searches for old listings will see that: > > "One of these things sold for THIRTEEN HUNDRED DOLLARS!!!" > > and no regular ham AM rig will ever be reasonably priced by non-hams > again, at least not for the next 12 months or so. I've never bought a > rig on eBay, but hams in QTHs where there are no hamfests or one per > year, may have a problem. > > Rob > K5UJ > > On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 11:02 PM, CL in NC via AMRadio > wrote: > > I missed the bidder ID in my earlier comment, h***u with his high bid > triggered the bidder n***u autobid up to 1300. He must really want that > Viking 1, hope he enjoys it. > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > ______________________________________________________________ > AMRadio mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > Post: mailto:AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > > > ------------------------------ > > End of AMRadio Digest, Vol 143, Issue 6 > *************************************** > From WB2AHK at aol.com Sun Dec 20 06:58:44 2015 From: WB2AHK at aol.com (WB2AHK at aol.com) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 06:58:44 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Viking one Message-ID: <784b11.137d90e5.43a7f1f3@aol.com> If he wants one that bad i have one working nice for $250.00 complete with a heathkit Vfo for $250.00. Its sitting on a shelf taking up space. CB . From donroden at hiwaay.net Sun Dec 20 07:39:20 2015 From: donroden at hiwaay.net (donroden at hiwaay.net) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 06:39:20 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Viking One Message-ID: <20151220063920.3793448b0il481h4@webmail.hiwaay.net> ( 1 ) My ( name a relative ) was a ham and I have no way to test it but it was working great when he had it. Probably a ham and the most expensive transformer is toast. ( 2 ) "Very Rare" Stop reading and move on ... That said, I have purchased a lot of things on ebay , but I research and know what I am willing to pay. Never exceed your first reasonable valuation. Don W4DNR From ne1s at securespeed.us Sun Dec 20 08:26:50 2015 From: ne1s at securespeed.us (Larry Szendrei) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 08:26:50 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Viking 1 In-Reply-To: <5676AC78.7040101@securespeed.us> References: <418826086.1315795.1450587765430.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <418826086.1315795.1450587765430.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5676AC78.7040101@securespeed.us> Message-ID: <5676AC9A.1020001@securespeed.us> On 12/20/15 5:53 AM, Rob Atkinson wrote: > The problem with this is that if this thing really sold to a non-shill > for $1300, then every estate buyer/liquidator who gets an old ham rig > and searches for old listings will see that: > > "One of these things sold for THIRTEEN HUNDRED DOLLARS!!!" > > and no regular ham AM rig will ever be reasonably priced by non-hams > again, at least not for the next 12 months or so. I've never bought a > rig on eBay, but hams in QTHs where there are no hamfests or one per > year, may have a problem. > > Only if the bidders on future auctions are willing to pay "unreasonable" prices. If they aren't, the rigs won't sell at those prices, and if the seller is motivated to unload the radio, he'll have to lower his price (minimum bid or reserve), and his expectations. It's the free market, and it always works. Both buyer and seller get what they want, without coercion. It's really a beautiful thing. If a Viking I sells for $1300, then it's not an "unreasonable price" in the eyes of the buyer, although you or I would never pay that kind of money for one. In the market, it's only the buyer and seller who matter, spectators don't count. 73, -Larry/NE1S From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Sun Dec 20 08:37:04 2015 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 07:37:04 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Viking 1 In-Reply-To: <5676AC9A.1020001@securespeed.us> References: <418826086.1315795.1450587765430.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <418826086.1315795.1450587765430.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5676AC78.7040101@securespeed.us> <5676AC9A.1020001@securespeed.us> Message-ID: I guess you don't know how estate sellers operate. These are people who have at any time, ~100 items being auctioned separately. If no one bids, they don't stop to think "maybe it is over priced." No, they re-list in a few seconds and move on to the next item they have listed. This is why we have zombie eBay listings. Get ready for DX100s buy it now for $1K and getting re-listed for a year or more before they eventually give up (and haul them to the scrapper). Rob K5UJ On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 7:26 AM, Larry Szendrei wrote: the bidders on future auctions are willing to pay "unreasonable" > prices. If they aren't, the rigs won't sell at those prices, and if the > seller is motivated to unload the radio, he'll have to lower his price > (minimum bid or reserve), and his expectations. It's the free market, and it > always works. Both buyer and seller get what they want, without coercion. > It's really a beautiful thing. From navy.radio at gmail.com Sun Dec 20 10:00:18 2015 From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 10:00:18 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Viking 1 In-Reply-To: References: <418826086.1315795.1450587765430.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <418826086.1315795.1450587765430.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5676AC78.7040101@securespeed.us> <5676AC9A.1020001@securespeed.us> Message-ID: Actually eBay will automatically re-list an unsold item for you. Like some surplus dealers and hamfest sellers, some eBay sellers will irrationally stick to a high price regardless of what the market is telling them. At least ebayers don't have to lug that Viking to hamfest after hamfest for years. But most folks are interested in getting something rather than nothing and are willing to take a reasonable offer. I'm sure there is an email list somewhere with people whining about hams who won't pay what these valuable antiques are "really" worth. Luckily neither group is run by the only people who can force you to buy or sell something at a particular price, the Government or the Mafia. Merry Christmas to all. Nick K4NYW, not St. Nick On Sunday, December 20, 2015, Rob Atkinson wrote: > I guess you don't know how estate sellers operate. These are people > who have at any time, ~100 items being auctioned separately. If no > one bids, they don't stop to think "maybe it is over priced." No, > they re-list in a few seconds and move on to the next item they have > listed. This is why we have zombie eBay listings. > -- Nick England K4NYW www.navy-radio.com From wa1zuf at juno.com Sun Dec 20 10:29:05 2015 From: wa1zuf at juno.com (wa1zuf) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 10:29:05 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Viking 1 Message-ID: <75vbe7b4w65335trmbrdnty8.1450625345354@email.android.com> Yes, your are correct Larry! ?I just had breakfast with my antique motorcycle club, ?Change Viking 1 to 57 panhead Harley and we had the very same discussion and conclusion this morning regarding E-pay. ? I have a Valiant II that stands me just shy of ?$2k. Not likely I'll ever see my money back, however for my own reasons I have no regrets in to wanting a 55 year old transmitter that by all appearances is brand new. I doubt that anyone else would do what I did. ? Today with all of the information we have at our fingers tips, rare should be the buyer who is uninformed to what the relative vaule of an item is.? Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S?6 active, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone-------- Original message --------From: Larry Szendrei Date: 12/20/2015 8:26 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Discussion of AM Radio Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Viking 1 On 12/20/15 5:53 AM, Rob Atkinson wrote: > The problem with this is that if this thing really sold to a non-shill > for $1300, then every estate buyer/liquidator who gets an old ham rig > and searches for old listings will see that: > > "One of these things sold for THIRTEEN HUNDRED DOLLARS!!!" > > and no regular ham AM rig will ever be reasonably priced by non-hams > again, at least not for the next 12 months or so.? I've never bought a > rig on eBay, but? hams in QTHs where there are no hamfests or one per > year, may have a problem. > > Only if the bidders on future auctions are willing to pay "unreasonable" prices. If they aren't, the rigs won't sell at those prices, and if the seller is motivated to unload the radio, he'll have to lower his price (minimum bid or reserve), and his expectations. It's the free market, and it always works. Both buyer and seller get what they want, without coercion. It's really a beautiful thing. If a Viking I sells for $1300, then it's not an "unreasonable price" in the eyes of the buyer, although you or I would never pay that kind of money for one. In the market, it's only the buyer and seller who matter, spectators don't count. 73, -Larry/NE1S ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wa1zuf at juno.com From ne1s at securespeed.us Sun Dec 20 17:50:09 2015 From: ne1s at securespeed.us (Larry Szendrei) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 17:50:09 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Viking 1 In-Reply-To: <5677306E.4000405@securespeed.us> References: <418826086.1315795.1450587765430.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <418826086.1315795.1450587765430.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5676AC78.7040101@securespeed.us> <5676AC9A.1020001@securespeed.us> <5677306E.4000405@securespeed.us> Message-ID: <567730A1.1000300@securespeed.us> On 12/20/15 8:37 AM, Rob Atkinson wrote: > I guess you don't know how estate sellers operate. These are people > who have at any time, ~100 items being auctioned separately. If no > one bids, they don't stop to think "maybe it is over priced." No, > they re-list in a few seconds and move on to the next item they have > listed. This is why we have zombie eBay listings. Get ready for > DX100s buy it now for $1K and getting re-listed for a year or more > before they eventually give up (and haul them to the scrapper). > > I stand by everything I said, Rob. If someone hauls their item to the scrapper because they can't get $1K (or whatever), they lose out, because I'm sure they could have received more for it than scrap value. I never claimed people are incapable of doing stupid things. 73, -Larry/NE1S From Tonne at Comcast.net Sun Dec 20 18:16:08 2015 From: Tonne at Comcast.net (Jim Tonne) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 18:16:08 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Viking 1 In-Reply-To: <567730A1.1000300@securespeed.us> References: <418826086.1315795.1450587765430.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <418826086.1315795.1450587765430.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5676AC78.7040101@securespeed.us> <5676AC9A.1020001@securespeed.us> <5677306E.4000405@securespeed.us> <567730A1.1000300@securespeed.us> Message-ID: <567736B8.4040501@Comcast.net> Adding on to Larry, NE1S: I was approached recently by a fellow with an NC183D. He was about to send it to the junk pile because he plugged it in and no sound came out of the loudspeaker and also there was no microphone connector. A guy told him it might need a capacitor. He thought he would go to the local parts outfit and get a capacitor and fix it himself. He was a licensed ham. - Jim W4ENE From ka1kaq at gmail.com Sun Dec 20 20:51:15 2015 From: ka1kaq at gmail.com (Todd, KA1KAQ) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 20:51:15 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Viking 1 In-Reply-To: <567730A1.1000300@securespeed.us> References: <418826086.1315795.1450587765430.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <418826086.1315795.1450587765430.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5676AC78.7040101@securespeed.us> <5676AC9A.1020001@securespeed.us> <5677306E.4000405@securespeed.us> <567730A1.1000300@securespeed.us> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 5:50 PM, Larry Szendrei wrote: > > If someone hauls their item to the scrapper because they can't get $1K (or > whatever), they lose out, because I'm sure they could have received more > for it than scrap value. I never claimed people are incapable of doing > stupid things. > Precisely. And - if all else fails and such worries about ebay are keeping you up nights - don't use ebay. Just don't go there and you won't be tormented by all the evil, bad, scary things happening there. Seems simple enough. (o: Personally I've had excellent luck online including ebay over the years both selling and buying, though selling became more and more of a hassle with the constant changes and fees for every little thing ebay could think of. Still, I have found and continue to find bargains there just by looking around and never judging every xyz widget by what one abnormal auction listing or result might show. It's true that many people unfamiliar with an item see one listed on ebay for a high price and assume that's what they are worth. But anyone who's used the site any length of time for particular interest understand perfectly that asking is one thing, getting is another. And for every seemingly crazy high price for a fairly common item, there are tens, hundreds, maybe thousands of others that sell for much less. I recall a Heathkit AT-1 unbuilt kit selling for over $4K some years back. A quick check of average AT-1s any day of the week will show considerably less, but someone wanted this one because it was unbuilt I guess. Good for them. Money is like anything else - you can't take it with you. ~ Todd, KA1KAQ/4 From johnmb at nc.rr.com Sun Dec 20 21:24:41 2015 From: johnmb at nc.rr.com (john) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 21:24:41 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Viking 1 Message-ID: <567762E9.9090103@nc.rr.com> Everything that is sold on Ebay or anywhere else, is worth precisely what the buyer paid for it. Free markets...they're beautiful things! John K5MO -- III From mjcal77 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 20 21:25:37 2015 From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 02:25:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] Never hurts to ask References: <639527731.1553633.1450664737136.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <639527731.1553633.1450664737136.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Regarding Epay price discussion, I have had success contacting sellers after the no sale closed and asked if they would take (-insert rational price here-), and have had great luck with them saying OK, relisting an item at a BIN price where I get it. Another thing is shipping. There are two items, which I did not buy, both had shipping in the 60-70 range, and got the in the low $30 just by asking if they could do better. Some of these people have no clue of electronic gear value, they just pick a number because they think old means desired. Some folks will listen, some will say take a hike, and the take a hikers will re-list their no sale until they give up. Sometimes they will thank you for your insight too. A fellow had a key he said he knew nothing about, I recognized it as a pre WW II Japanese hand key worth a great deal more than he thought. He redid his auction and got almost 150 for it instead of 10. Never hurts to ask, the worst that can happen is they say no, and you move on. Charlie, W4MEC in NC From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Sun Dec 20 21:48:09 2015 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 20:48:09 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Viking 1 In-Reply-To: <567736B8.4040501@Comcast.net> References: <418826086.1315795.1450587765430.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <418826086.1315795.1450587765430.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5676AC78.7040101@securespeed.us> <5676AC9A.1020001@securespeed.us> <5677306E.4000405@securespeed.us> <567730A1.1000300@securespeed.us> <567736B8.4040501@Comcast.net> Message-ID: Jim, all you have to do is read the monthly Q&A column in QST. The Jan. issue has a Q from an Extra class ham asking why, after he made his 20 m. dipole a half wave on 40, it no longer works on 20 m. ("Works" in this context means a reasonably close Z match to a 50 ohm coaxial line). 73 Rob K5UJ On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Jim Tonne wrote: > Adding on to Larry, NE1S: > > I was approached recently by a fellow with an NC183D. He was about to > send it to the junk pile because he plugged it in and no sound came out > of the loudspeaker and also there was no microphone connector. A guy > told him it might need a capacitor. He thought he would go to the local > parts outfit and get a capacitor and fix it himself. He was a licensed ham. > - Jim W4ENE From bguyger at yahoo.com Mon Dec 21 00:51:05 2015 From: bguyger at yahoo.com (Bill Guyger) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 23:51:05 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Viking 1 In-Reply-To: <567736B8.4040501@Comcast.net> References: <418826086.1315795.1450587765430.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <418826086.1315795.1450587765430.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5676AC78.7040101@securespeed.us> <5676AC9A.1020001@securespeed.us> <5677306E.4000405@securespeed.us> <567730A1.1000300@securespeed.us> <567736B8.4040501@Comcast.net> Message-ID: <4D115F31-5502-4273-BA6F-0F8080666692@yahoo.com> Maybe you should have suggested points and plugs in addition to the capacitor:-). Bill AD5OL Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 20, 2015, at 5:16 PM, Jim Tonne wrote: > > Adding on to Larry, NE1S: > > I was approached recently by a fellow with an NC183D. He was about to > send it to the junk pile because he plugged it in and no sound came out > of the loudspeaker and also there was no microphone connector. A guy > told him it might need a capacitor. He thought he would go to the local > parts outfit and get a capacitor and fix it himself. He was a licensed ham. > - Jim W4ENE > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bguyger at yahoo.com From k4kyv at charter.net Mon Dec 21 04:29:21 2015 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 03:29:21 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Extra Class isn't dumbed down? (was Viking 1) Message-ID: <000701d13bd2$133c39a0$39b4ace0$@charter.net> -----Original Message----- > Adding on to Larry, NE1S: > I was approached recently by a fellow with an NC183D. He was about to send it to the > junk pile because he plugged it in and no sound came out of the loudspeaker and also > there was no microphone connector. A guy told him it might need a capacitor. He > thought he would go to the local parts outfit and get a capacitor and fix it himself. > He was a licensed ham. > - Jim W4ENE I can raise you one on that. Look in the latest issue of QST, January, 2016, in the middle of page 66. An EXTRA CLASS ham writes that he purchased a 20m dipole, then decided to extend the lengths of both legs to make it resonant on 40. He found it worked just fine on 40m, but he could no longer use it on 20, where the SWR had become extremely high. He wants someone to explain why he lost operation on 20m after lengthening the dipole to make it resonate on 40. Sheesh! I'd be totally embarrassed to have my call sign published with that letter, archived for public view, for all eternity. The guy who writes the column should have at least kept it anonymous. Don k4kyv From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Mon Dec 21 05:57:10 2015 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 04:57:10 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Extra Class isn't dumbed down? (was Viking 1) In-Reply-To: <000701d13bd2$133c39a0$39b4ace0$@charter.net> References: <000701d13bd2$133c39a0$39b4ace0$@charter.net> Message-ID: This kind of thing has been going on for a few years, since FCC allowed the exam Q and A pool to be public and software to enable test taking by memorization, along with the elimination of the 2 year licensed requirement before even being able to apply for Extra. Then they eliminated the CW requirement and that threw open the doors to anyone and everyone who wanted to have a ticket right away without having to go through all that junk involving understanding electronics, and learning the code, how tedious and boring, and the result is "One Day Wonders" with 2 letter call signs who tell you what their "personal is." There are two ham radios: One is a glorified form of CB, and is found in most of QST, CQ, and indoors at Dayton, the other is the Flea Market Ham Radio, found outside at Dayton and in ER. Rob K5UJ On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 3:29 AM, Donald Chester wrote: > > I can raise you one on that. Look in the latest issue of QST, January, 2016, > in the middle of page 66. > > An EXTRA CLASS ham writes that he purchased a 20m dipole, then decided to > extend the lengths of both legs to make it resonant on 40. > He found it worked just fine on 40m, but he could no longer use it on 20, > where the SWR had become extremely high. He wants someone to explain why he > lost operation on 20m after lengthening the dipole to make it resonate on > 40. > > Sheesh! I'd be totally embarrassed to have my call sign published with that > letter, archived for public view, for all eternity. The guy who writes the > column should have at least kept it anonymous. > > Don k4kyv From wa4tukradio at gmail.com Mon Dec 21 09:09:57 2015 From: wa4tukradio at gmail.com (Pat Thompson) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 09:09:57 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Viking 1 In-Reply-To: <4D115F31-5502-4273-BA6F-0F8080666692@yahoo.com> References: <418826086.1315795.1450587765430.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <418826086.1315795.1450587765430.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5676AC78.7040101@securespeed.us> <5676AC9A.1020001@securespeed.us> <5677306E.4000405@securespeed.us> <567730A1.1000300@securespeed.us> <567736B8.4040501@Comcast.net> <4D115F31-5502-4273-BA6F-0F8080666692@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <56780835.4030403@gmail.com> I know there are some old plugs in my NC183D but you might get away with just checking the gap and dwell. Seriously, well maybe not, switch it from radio to phono and now you have a 50 pound "Mister Microphone"! Might as well try to educate. I always thought the license was a learners permit. Merry Christmas! Pat wa4tuk On 12/21/2015 12:51 AM, Bill Guyger via AMRadio wrote: > Maybe you should have suggested points and plugs in addition to the capacitor:-). > > Bill AD5OL > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 20, 2015, at 5:16 PM, Jim Tonne wrote: >> >> Adding on to Larry, NE1S: >> >> I was approached recently by a fellow with an NC183D. He was about to >> send it to the junk pile because he plugged it in and no sound came out >> of the loudspeaker and also there was no microphone connector. A guy >> told him it might need a capacitor. He thought he would go to the local >> parts outfit and get a capacitor and fix it himself. He was a licensed ham. >> - Jim W4ENE >> >> >> From macklinbob at gmail.com Mon Dec 21 09:40:47 2015 From: macklinbob at gmail.com (K5MYJ) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 06:40:47 -0800 Subject: [AMRadio] Extra Class isn't dumbed down? (was Viking 1) References: <000701d13bd2$133c39a0$39b4ace0$@charter.net> Message-ID: <0860280A96B348178570F7080FE5483E@IVORYTOWER> My observation is after these people get their ticket they go to eBay and buy a boatanchor because "IT LOOKS COOL". Then if it does work they have no idea how to tune it. If it does not work they have no clue how to fix it. So they show up on these message boards looking for help. Most have no test equipment and don't know how to use it. They seem reluctant to buying test equipment. I gave up on trying to help them. It's a LOST CAUSE! Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa. "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Chester" To: Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 1:29 AM Subject: [AMRadio] Extra Class isn't dumbed down? (was Viking 1) > > > -----Original Message----- > >> Adding on to Larry, NE1S: > >> I was approached recently by a fellow with an NC183D. He was about to > send it to the >> junk pile because he plugged it in and no sound came out of the > loudspeaker and also >> there was no microphone connector. A guy told him it might need a > capacitor. He >> thought he would go to the local parts outfit and get a capacitor and fix > it himself. > >> He was a licensed ham. >> - Jim W4ENE > > I can raise you one on that. Look in the latest issue of QST, January, > 2016, > in the middle of page 66. > > An EXTRA CLASS ham writes that he purchased a 20m dipole, then decided to > extend the lengths of both legs to make it resonant on 40. > He found it worked just fine on 40m, but he could no longer use it on 20, > where the SWR had become extremely high. He wants someone to explain why > he > lost operation on 20m after lengthening the dipole to make it resonate on > 40. > > Sheesh! I'd be totally embarrassed to have my call sign published with > that > letter, archived for public view, for all eternity. The guy who writes the > column should have at least kept it anonymous. > > Don k4kyv > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to macklinbob at gmail.com From WB2AHK at aol.com Mon Dec 21 10:06:58 2015 From: WB2AHK at aol.com (WB2AHK at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 10:06:58 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] DUMDED DOWN EXAMS Message-ID: <3f50cf.65316ec4.43a96f92@aol.com> I am 71 Y/o And i admit that i am not an electronics genius, I've been a ham since 1962. To get a ham ticket in those days meant something. Something to be proud of indeed. I took those license exams in the FCC office in NYC. You had to know something in those days . Reading the study materials sold by the ARRL was my only way to get the required and needed knowledge. There were no published question pools in those days. Two years ago just for the hell of it i decided that i might like to get a FCC commercial ticket. Well i went online and read the question pool for the Radio Maintainer/with radar endorsement license, i read it through three times in 4 weeks. This is the current and highest FCC commercial license. With the test pool answers fresh in my mind i went to a certified testing facility at a merchant marine academy in my area and got a 95 % correct answer score. Bingo I received that License , Why, simply i guess to hang on my wall. By memorizing the answers for the exam do i know anything much, NO!!! Could i work on a ship radar , no, I am not downgrading my overall abilities i'm just saying how dumbed down the testing is nowadays. Its a joke. " OH WELL " CB From rbethman at comcast.net Mon Dec 21 10:43:03 2015 From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 10:43:03 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Current Exams In-Reply-To: <3f50cf.65316ec4.43a96f92@aol.com> References: <3f50cf.65316ec4.43a96f92@aol.com> Message-ID: <56781E07.9060103@comcast.net> I'm 65. Like a pretty fair number of folks, I went to the District Office of the FCC, Atlanta, GA. I had the Novice administered in May of 1980. I took the trip from Ft. Benning, GA on 31 October 1980 to their office and sat for the General Class Exam. Yep! I had studied all I could. Didn't change the fact that I was a ball of nerves! I was sweating on the INSIDE, but tried to "look" calm. I took the code test, then I took the written. I walked out with a nervous smile holding an "Interim KA4PBD/AT". Remaining military career kept me busy, and I didn't get back to upgrading. I guess I'll remain a General. I don't see any sense in a Q&A pool to read multiple times, sit down with a calculator or slide rule and walk out with an Extra. Personally, it is an insult to do things that way. Yep! I have obtained the requisite letter from the FCC stating that I was issued a Tech plus on 30 May 1980. I just haven't had the heart for the "new" system. The learning is still taking place! I'm now building equipment for the Microwave Portions of Amateur Radio. It is intriguing to work with such tiny parts, and using hot air to solder bits and pieces that I almost need a microscope for! I do have an USB Microscope. I can usually manage with a very bright LED Magnifying Lamp. I usually go back and carefully check my work with a jeweler's loupe. So far the results have been great! I haven't had to go back and do something twice! Running these modules has resulted in fully functional circuits. I'm currently doing a burn-in run on the reference oscillator. I've gotten components and partial modules from multiple sources. I may never upgrade, but I will continue to work into the newer technology. I may be working into microwave, BUT - I am NOT going digital! The folks that run Microwave are running either SSB or CW. AM is possible, but the level of technology makes it very difficult to modulate up at those frequencies. Still snorting solder! Regards, Bob - N0DGN From donroden at hiwaay.net Mon Dec 21 11:40:58 2015 From: donroden at hiwaay.net (donroden at hiwaay.net) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 10:40:58 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] DUMDED DOWN EXAMS In-Reply-To: <3f50cf.65316ec4.43a96f92@aol.com> References: <3f50cf.65316ec4.43a96f92@aol.com> Message-ID: <20151221104058.35572d33a6u88uca@webmail.hiwaay.net> Quoting wb2ahk via AMRadio : > I am 71 Y/o And i admit that i am not an electronics genius, I've > been a ham since 1962. To get a ham ticket in those days meant something. > Something to be proud of indeed. > I took those license exams in the FCC office in NYC. You had to > know something in those days . In 1962. I was still in high school and across the street from the school, I heard strange sounds. Being more curious than cautious, I walked across and met a ham radio talking to another ham in another state. It might as well have been half way around the world. I was hooked ... this was before cell phones and internet. My grades in Geography and World History improved as well as Science and Physics ( despite the Van Degraff generator project on the final exam ). I knew radio was what I wanted to do. and in 1968, I accepted a job in broadcast based on my passing the FCC First Class License. I've worked on 1KW AMs and 50KW AMs and all between ... What a great job !! I play radio with other people's radios an I get paid for it. Is this a great country or what ??? As someone said, the license is a license to LEARN... not an end-all. I try to learn something new in my profession every day. I try to stay ahead of technology improvements. If you want to learn, it's going to be fun . Don W4DNR From donroden at hiwaay.net Mon Dec 21 11:41:10 2015 From: donroden at hiwaay.net (donroden at hiwaay.net) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 10:41:10 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] DUMDED DOWN EXAMS In-Reply-To: <3f50cf.65316ec4.43a96f92@aol.com> References: <3f50cf.65316ec4.43a96f92@aol.com> Message-ID: <20151221104110.17442ffglft2djty@webmail.hiwaay.net> Quoting wb2ahk via AMRadio : > I am 71 Y/o And i admit that i am not an electronics genius, I've > been a ham since 1962. To get a ham ticket in those days meant something. > Something to be proud of indeed. > I took those license exams in the FCC office in NYC. You had to > know something in those days . In 1962. I was still in high school and across the street from the school, I heard strange sounds. Being more curious than cautious, I walked across and met a ham radio talking to another ham in another state. It might as well have been half way around the world. I was hooked ... this was before cell phones and internet. My grades in Geography and World History improved as well as Science and Physics ( despite the Van Degraff generator project on the final exam ). I knew radio was what I wanted to do. and in 1968, I accepted a job in broadcast based on my passing the FCC First Class License. I've worked on 1KW AMs and 50KW AMs and all between ... What a great job !! I play radio with other people's radios an I get paid for it. Is this a great country or what ??? As someone said, the license is a license to LEARN... not an end-all. I try to learn something new in my profession every day. I try to stay ahead of technology improvements. If you want to learn, it's going to be fun . Don W4DNR From mjcal77 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 21 12:08:00 2015 From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:08:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna disconnects References: <1898666610.1810029.1450717680528.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1898666610.1810029.1450717680528.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I have used a large knife switch for years at the ladder line exit point on the house to disconnect the line and ground it. I am having to re route everything and now my knife switch if used, would not be easily accessible unless I leave a ladder against the house. Anybody use the large air conditioner type contactors, or larger open frame relays for this? Due to contact proximities, will it just flash over anyway, so forget it? My only other option is to disconnect the ladder line in the shack but that would leave the potential for flashing over inside the house. Charlie, W4MEC in NC From bguyger at yahoo.com Mon Dec 21 12:21:56 2015 From: bguyger at yahoo.com (Bill Guyger) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 11:21:56 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna disconnects In-Reply-To: <1898666610.1810029.1450717680528.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1898666610.1810029.1450717680528.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1898666610.1810029.1450717680528.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Charlie and the group That's something I "stress" about, and about the only thing I've come up with is the RF contractors we use at AM sites and ball gaps / arc gaps. Use the contractor to ground the line when not connected to the shack, and still provide some way for a lightning strike to arc across to ground rather than across the open contacts to the radio. The A/C contractors or open relays you mention are too easy for high voltage to flash across. Bill AD5OL Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 21, 2015, at 11:08 AM, CL in NC via AMRadio wrote: > > I have used a large knife switch for years at the ladder line exit point on the house to disconnect the line and ground it. I am having to re route everything and now my knife switch if used, would not be easily accessible unless I leave a ladder against the house. Anybody use the large air conditioner type contactors, or larger open frame relays for this? Due to contact proximities, will it just flash over anyway, so forget it? My only other option is to disconnect the ladder line in the shack but that would leave the potential for flashing over inside the house. > > Charlie, W4MEC in NC > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bguyger at yahoo.com From w5jo at brightok.net Mon Dec 21 12:22:47 2015 From: w5jo at brightok.net (w5jo at brightok.net) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 11:22:47 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna disconnects In-Reply-To: <1898666610.1810029.1450717680528.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1898666610.1810029.1450717680528.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1898666610.1810029.1450717680528.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9572096AC893494091B740A8CC49C36A@JimPC> Charlie do you have spark gaps on the line? Like a couple of close spaced sparkplugs mounted on a piece of metal with that grounded. Jim W5JO -----Original Message----- I have used a large knife switch for years at the ladder line exit point on the house to disconnect the line and ground it. I am having to re route everything and now my knife switch if used, would not be easily accessible unless I leave a ladder against the house. Anybody use the large air conditioner type contactors, or larger open frame relays for this? Due to contact proximities, will it just flash over anyway, so forget it? My only other option is to disconnect the ladder line in the shack but that would leave the potential for flashing over inside the house. Charlie, W4MEC in NC From donroden at hiwaay.net Mon Dec 21 12:31:30 2015 From: donroden at hiwaay.net (donroden at hiwaay.net) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 11:31:30 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna disconnects In-Reply-To: <1898666610.1810029.1450717680528.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1898666610.1810029.1450717680528.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1898666610.1810029.1450717680528.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20151221113130.11767f5ug52oxegi@webmail.hiwaay.net> Quoting CL in NC via AMRadio : > I have used a large knife switch for years at the ladder line exit > point on the house to disconnect the line and ground it. Lightning travels miles .... a six inch disconnect "might" save you from induced or "sympathetic" voltage spikes on antennas. Think of the lightning as the power in the primary winding of an air core transformer and your antennas as the secondary winding. Grounding the antenna will help save your equipment IF the antenna ground is a better ground than the ground at your equipment. All bets are off during a direct lightning strike. Don W4DNR From navy.radio at gmail.com Mon Dec 21 12:35:41 2015 From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:35:41 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna disconnects In-Reply-To: <1898666610.1810029.1450717680528.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1898666610.1810029.1450717680528.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1898666610.1810029.1450717680528.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ...and you are just as likely to get an arc from the contacts to the relay coil and AC wiring too. Spark gaps and a long stick to throw the knife switch handle? Nick England K4NYW www.navy-radio.com On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 12:08 PM, CL in NC via AMRadio < amradio at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > I have used a large knife switch for years at the ladder line exit point > on the house to disconnect the line and ground it. I am having to re > route everything and now my knife switch if used, would not be easily > accessible unless I leave a ladder against the house. Anybody use the > large air conditioner type contactors, or larger open frame relays for > this? Due to contact proximities, will it just flash over anyway, so > forget it? My only other option is to disconnect the ladder line in the > shack but that would leave the potential for flashing over inside the house. > > Charlie, W4MEC in NC > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to navy.radio at gmail.com > From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Mon Dec 21 12:38:36 2015 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 11:38:36 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna disconnects In-Reply-To: <1898666610.1810029.1450717680528.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1898666610.1810029.1450717680528.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1898666610.1810029.1450717680528.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Use a set of banana plugs and jacks outside. When you want to disconnect simply pull the line out of the jacks away from the house. I've been doing it this way for years. Look for decent plugs and jacks at hamfests. 73 Rob K5UJ On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 11:08 AM, CL in NC via AMRadio wrote: > I have used a large knife switch for years at the ladder line exit point on the house to disconnect the line and ground it. I am having to re route everything and now my knife switch if used, would not be easily accessible unless I leave a ladder against the house. Anybody use the large air conditioner type contactors, or larger open frame relays for this? Due to contact proximities, will it just flash over anyway, so forget it? My only other option is to disconnect the ladder line in the shack but that would leave the potential for flashing over inside the house. > From jay.walker.voiceover at gmail.com Mon Dec 21 13:16:17 2015 From: jay.walker.voiceover at gmail.com (Jay Walker) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:16:17 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] DUMDED DOWN EXAMS Message-ID: I get most frustrated with those who seek help and then ignore sound advice because they are looking for an 'easy fix'. A prime example of that behavior is a credit card boat anchor wannabe who acquires a nice R-390 then decides he wants to ALIGN the receiver!! This even after everyone advised him to FIRST perform basics. Check the tubes, resistance, capacitance checks, and replace any parts out of tolerance, BEFORE grabbing the 'magic diddle-sticks'. He may be a short term irritant as he recently purchased a Heath SB-220 and will most likely 'Darwin' himself out of the hobby. Thankfully the fellow mentioned previous is more of an exception than not, as a lot of new hams once they got the ticket, jumped into the learning process and have become excellent restorers, troubleshooters, and homebrew artists .. On exams, even back in 1970 when I got my ticket there was controversy over the 'Bash' books published at the time. Even then there was always someone looking for an easier way to get the reward. I still think an Extra should be able to at least recognize their own call on CW but that's for another post.. 73 NS5F From mjcal77 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 21 13:29:55 2015 From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 18:29:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] Ant disconnects References: <750637067.1920083.1450722595498.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <750637067.1920083.1450722595498.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for the input. Yes, I have a spark gap in the circuit, and yes, adirect strike is basically unprotectable. The banana plug/jack idea outside might be workable if I leave enough line slack to reach from the ground. Where it enters my shack, it goes to a home brew RF ammeter panel with double bananas, easy to disconnect and ground there, but does not keep it outside. That custom stick idea to reach the knife switch is good too, have to experiment with switch orientations to see the best way to operate it without mechanical stress. With my luck, if I used a relay of some sort, the spike would travel down the control line to the shack where the operating switch was, and still get me. Charlie From k4kyv at charter.net Mon Dec 21 13:44:55 2015 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:44:55 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Viking 1 In-Reply-To: <56780835.4030403@gmail.com> References: <418826086.1315795.1450587765430.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <418826086.1315795.1450587765430.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5676AC78.7040101@securespeed.us> <5676AC9A.1020001@securespeed.us> <5677306E.4000405@securespeed.us> <567730A1.1000300@securespeed.us> <567736B8.4040501@Comcast.net> <4D115F31-5502-4273-BA6F-0F8080666692@yahoo.com> <56780835.4030403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002501d13c1f$afa3b7d0$0eeb2770$@charter.net> > Might as well try to educate. I always thought the license was a learners permit. > Pat > wa4tuk Originally, Extra Class went well beyond the learner's permit. It was a certificate of achievement indicating a minimum period of experience as a licensed amateur, two years as I recall, plus a degree of competency (20 wpm code plus a written test of about the same degree of difficulty as the First Class Radiotelephone). That is no longer true. The tenure and code requirements have been dropped entirely, and verbatim correct answers to test questions are openly published in advance. Extra class is now nothing more the licence upgrade required to enjoy full amateur privileges. Essentially, the original concept of Extra Class has been discontinued, as the FCC apparently decided it wasn't worth their time, money and resources to maintain a certificate program that was little more than a stroke to the ego for the holder to display on the wall. Extra Class no longer means the licensee is anything "extra" or special; he has merely passed the written requirement for full amateur privileges. The General Class no longer conveys "general" operating privileges in the sense of the dictionary definition of the word; it conveys limited operating privileges that leave a substantial portion of lower-frequency HF spectrum inaccessible. The Technician no longer indicates a technically-oriented ham whose primary interest is experimentation at the upper-frequency fringes of radio technology (VHF, UHF, microwave); it has become an entry level ticket with very limited operating privileges, a rather ill-fitting substitute for the old Novice; the vast majority of licensees (if they ever get on the air at all) primarily communicate, not experiment, almost entirely with ready-made purchased equipment, often if not mostly, via repeaters. The licence classes should be re-named to more closely reflect the privileges they actually convey, something like "Full Licence", "Limited Licence" and "Communicator Class", or simply "Class A, B and C", dropping the currently obsolete and misleading titles. This has been proposed numerous times in petitions to the FCC, but the Commission has steadfastly refused to consider such action. Don k4kyv From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Mon Dec 21 13:57:44 2015 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:57:44 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] What happened to Vaisala Lightning map Message-ID: http://www.lightningstorm.com/explorer.html has been out for at least a week. Too bad. It was always my favorite lightning map. Rob K5UJ From ne1s at securespeed.us Mon Dec 21 14:03:47 2015 From: ne1s at securespeed.us (Larry Szendrei) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 14:03:47 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna disconnects In-Reply-To: <1898666610.1810029.1450717680528.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1898666610.1810029.1450717680528.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1898666610.1810029.1450717680528.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <56784D13.5030705@securespeed.us> On 12/21/15 12:08 PM, CL in NC via AMRadio wrote: > I have used a large knife switch for years at the ladder line exit point on the house to disconnect the line and ground it. I am having to re route everything and now my knife switch if used, would not be easily accessible unless I leave a ladder against the house. Anybody use the large air conditioner type contactors, or larger open frame relays for this? Due to contact proximities, will it just flash over anyway, so forget it? My only other option is to disconnect the ladder line in the shack but that would leave the potential for flashing over inside the house. > > Hi Charlie, I use ceramic feedthru insulators with threaded brass rods for conductors to get the open-wire line into the house. On the feedline outside I use "battery clips" which are clipped on to the brass rods. When thunderstorms threaten, I un-clip the feedline from the feedthrus and let the end of the feedline lay on the ground several yards from the house. An added benefit is that during windstorms the clips just pop off the feedthrus instead of breaking the feedline conductors, I use a couple of layers of heat-shrink tubing where the open-wire line meets the battery clip for strain relief. This system has worked well for me for many years, with RF power levels from QRP to the legal limit. 73, -Larry/NE1S From w5jo at brightok.net Mon Dec 21 14:08:08 2015 From: w5jo at brightok.net (w5jo at brightok.net) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 13:08:08 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] What happened to Vaisala Lightning map In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Don't know, try this one. http://www.lightningmaps.org/realtime?lang=en Jim W5JO -----Original Message----- http://www.lightningstorm.com/explorer.html has been out for at least a week. Too bad. It was always my favorite lightning map. Rob K5UJ From frsahu0003 at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 21 14:46:03 2015 From: frsahu0003 at embarqmail.com (FRANK HUGHES hughes) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 14:46:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [AMRadio] Disconnect & protection In-Reply-To: <766907697.1341226.1450727038372.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1819825361.1343044.1450727163808.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com> I just use a knife switch, and the "static discharge" circuit from ER #284. http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x257/fish1_07/am/ladder_line_protection/ll_protection_assy_zps2d4f3389.jpg http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x257/fish1_07/am/ladder_line_protection/ll_protection_assy_zps2d4f3389.jpg Not shown in the photo is that the big copper plate bonds to copper sheet, going out to the underground halo. 73 Frank KJ4OLL From donroden at hiwaay.net Mon Dec 21 14:47:05 2015 From: donroden at hiwaay.net (donroden at hiwaay.net) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 13:47:05 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] DUMDED DOWN EXAMS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20151221134705.26005xu5tzbwf5tl@webmail.hiwaay.net> Quoting Jay Walker : > I still think an Extra should > be able to at least recognize their own call on CW but that's for another > post.. > 73 > NS5F .. _ _ .. _ _ _ _ _ . . _ . _ . . _ . _ . _ . _ . . . _ . . . _ _ _ . _ . ._ _ . . . . . _ . _ _ . Don W4DNR From ranickel at comcast.net Mon Dec 21 15:06:30 2015 From: ranickel at comcast.net (Robert Nickels) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 14:06:30 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] What happened to Vaisala Lightning map In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56785BC6.2080409@comcast.net> Rob, Give Blitzortung a look, I think you may like it even better: http://www.blitzortung.org/Webpages/index.php?lang=en&page_0=30 Be sure the sound is off during a big storm or it will drive you crazy thinking your antenna is arcing over ;-) 73, Bob W9RAN From ars.w5omr at gmail.com Mon Dec 21 17:18:58 2015 From: ars.w5omr at gmail.com (Geoff) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 16:18:58 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] What happened to Vaisala Lightning map In-Reply-To: <56785BC6.2080409@comcast.net> References: <56785BC6.2080409@comcast.net> Message-ID: <56787AD2.10304@gmail.com> On 12/21/2015 02:06 PM, Robert Nickels wrote: > Rob, > > Give Blitzortung a look, I think you may like it even better: > > http://www.blitzortung.org/Webpages/index.php?lang=en&page_0=30 > > Be sure the sound is off during a big storm or it will drive you crazy > thinking your antenna is arcing over ;-) or http://www.lightningmaps.org/realtime From mark.k3msb at gmail.com Mon Dec 21 17:51:00 2015 From: mark.k3msb at gmail.com (Mark K3MSB) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:51:00 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Extra Class isn't dumbed down? (was Viking 1) In-Reply-To: <000701d13bd2$133c39a0$39b4ace0$@charter.net> References: <000701d13bd2$133c39a0$39b4ace0$@charter.net> Message-ID: >From WY1R's QRZ page: "I am a licensed radio amateur since 1986 first as N2GVF then in 1991 I became WY1R." Was the current VEC systems and on-line question pools in existence in 1991 ? I had my extra in 77 or 78 and I had to go before the Feds, so i didn't keep up on licensing much after that. Mark K3MSB On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 4:29 AM, Donald Chester wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Adding on to Larry, NE1S: > > > I was approached recently by a fellow with an NC183D. He was about to > send it to the > > junk pile because he plugged it in and no sound came out of the > loudspeaker and also > > there was no microphone connector. A guy told him it might need a > capacitor. He > > thought he would go to the local parts outfit and get a capacitor and fix > it himself. > > > He was a licensed ham. > > - Jim W4ENE > > I can raise you one on that. Look in the latest issue of QST, January, > 2016, > in the middle of page 66. > > An EXTRA CLASS ham writes that he purchased a 20m dipole, then decided to > extend the lengths of both legs to make it resonant on 40. > He found it worked just fine on 40m, but he could no longer use it on 20, > where the SWR had become extremely high. He wants someone to explain why > he > lost operation on 20m after lengthening the dipole to make it resonate on > 40. > > Sheesh! I'd be totally embarrassed to have my call sign published with that > letter, archived for public view, for all eternity. The guy who writes the > column should have at least kept it anonymous. > > Don k4kyv > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mark.k3msb at gmail.com > From mark.k3msb at gmail.com Mon Dec 21 17:54:29 2015 From: mark.k3msb at gmail.com (Mark K3MSB) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:54:29 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Extra Class isn't dumbed down? (was Viking 1) In-Reply-To: References: <000701d13bd2$133c39a0$39b4ace0$@charter.net> Message-ID: Actually, I meant to respond to Rob K5UJ's post, not Don's. Mark K3MSB On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Mark K3MSB wrote: > From WY1R's QRZ page: > > "I am a licensed radio amateur since 1986 first as N2GVF then in 1991 I > became WY1R." > > Was the current VEC systems and on-line question pools in existence in > 1991 ? > > I had my extra in 77 or 78 and I had to go before the Feds, so i didn't > keep up on licensing much after that. > > Mark K3MSB > > > > On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 4:29 AM, Donald Chester wrote: > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> > Adding on to Larry, NE1S: >> >> > I was approached recently by a fellow with an NC183D. He was about to >> send it to the >> > junk pile because he plugged it in and no sound came out of the >> loudspeaker and also >> > there was no microphone connector. A guy told him it might need a >> capacitor. He >> > thought he would go to the local parts outfit and get a capacitor and >> fix >> it himself. >> >> > He was a licensed ham. >> > - Jim W4ENE >> >> I can raise you one on that. Look in the latest issue of QST, January, >> 2016, >> in the middle of page 66. >> >> An EXTRA CLASS ham writes that he purchased a 20m dipole, then decided to >> extend the lengths of both legs to make it resonant on 40. >> He found it worked just fine on 40m, but he could no longer use it on 20, >> where the SWR had become extremely high. He wants someone to explain why >> he >> lost operation on 20m after lengthening the dipole to make it resonate on >> 40. >> >> Sheesh! I'd be totally embarrassed to have my call sign published with >> that >> letter, archived for public view, for all eternity. The guy who writes the >> column should have at least kept it anonymous. >> >> Don k4kyv >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >> AMRadio mailing list >> Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ >> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >> Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net >> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with >> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to mark.k3msb at gmail.com >> > > From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Mon Dec 21 19:33:13 2015 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 18:33:13 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] What happened to Vaisala Lightning map In-Reply-To: <56787AD2.10304@gmail.com> References: <56785BC6.2080409@comcast.net> <56787AD2.10304@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks all. I have a few alternatives, but I liked the Vaisala service because it was detailed enough and loaded fast. The others seem to keep pushing data. Bob, one of ur photobucket HT20 photos was useful for me as I am in the process of putting my HT20 back together. 73 Rob K5UJ On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Geoff wrote: > > > On 12/21/2015 02:06 PM, Robert Nickels wrote: >> Rob, >> >> Give Blitzortung a look, I think you may like it even better: >> >> http://www.blitzortung.org/Webpages/index.php?lang=en&page_0=30 >> >> Be sure the sound is off during a big storm or it will drive you crazy >> thinking your antenna is arcing over ;-) > > or http://www.lightningmaps.org/realtime From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Mon Dec 21 19:40:00 2015 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 18:40:00 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Extra Class isn't dumbed down? (was Viking 1) In-Reply-To: References: <000701d13bd2$133c39a0$39b4ace0$@charter.net> Message-ID: > Was the current VEC systems and on-line question pools in existence in 1991 > ? Yeah. FCC quit in the early 1980s. It's been VECs and memorizing ever since. To be honest, I took my tests before the FCC but they weren't particularly rigorous since they were multiple guess. The real, real deal was when some of the questions were essay and you had to draw some schematics. In Japan, the gov't comm. regulatory agency would send an inspector to look over your station and quiz you before you got their highest class license. Don't know if they still do that now or not. The UK gov't comm. agency, Off. Comm. (Office of Communications) recently purged many inactive (SK etc. ) licensees from their records. FCC ought to do that. 73 Rob K5UJ From ranickel at comcast.net Mon Dec 21 20:43:39 2015 From: ranickel at comcast.net (Robert Nickels) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 19:43:39 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] What happened to Vaisala Lightning map In-Reply-To: References: <56785BC6.2080409@comcast.net> <56787AD2.10304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5678AACB.7010000@comcast.net> On 12/21/2015 6:33 PM, Rob Atkinson wrote: > HT20 photos That reminds me, I need to yank mine out and see what's making the fan tick. I'll listen for yours on the air, Rob. 73, Bob W9RAN From Foltarz at rocketmail.com Mon Dec 21 21:45:00 2015 From: Foltarz at rocketmail.com (Mark Foltarz) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 02:45:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] Calling AB8Op References: <843143605.2103805.1450752300147.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <843143605.2103805.1450752300147.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Bob, if you get this please email? Thanks de KA4JVY Mark From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Mon Dec 21 21:57:17 2015 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 20:57:17 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] What happened to Vaisala Lightning map In-Reply-To: <5678AACB.7010000@comcast.net> References: <56785BC6.2080409@comcast.net> <56787AD2.10304@gmail.com> <5678AACB.7010000@comcast.net> Message-ID: I bet if you run it without all the TVI shielding (which is what I intend to do) the fan is unnecessary. The other 4D32 rigs don't have fans. 73 Rob K5UJ On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 7:43 PM, Robert Nickels wrote: > On 12/21/2015 6:33 PM, Rob Atkinson wrote: >> >> HT20 photos > > That reminds me, I need to yank mine out and see what's making the fan tick. > I'll listen for yours on the air, Rob. > > 73, Bob W9RAN > From hallicrafterssr2000 at k9axn.com Mon Dec 21 22:36:07 2015 From: hallicrafterssr2000 at k9axn.com (Jim Liles) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 21:36:07 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Extra Class isn't dumbed down? (was Viking 1) In-Reply-To: References: <000701d13bd2$133c39a0$39b4ace0$@charter.net> Message-ID: Good evening, How many of us memorize complex mathematical formulas that we have little if any idea as to how they were derived. Try the formula for inductive reactance one of the simplest. That's memorizing a tool. Even the simplest formulas that we hang our hats on and think we understand will drive us to distraction when we ask ourselves how were they derived. A newbie may ask a question like "How does the current in an inductor lag the voltage?" OK, now explain it to him in words that he can assimilate, not because it's written in some book. Try it, write an explanation that?s simple to understand. A bit of tolerance and courtesy might be a better idea than whining about how dopy others are, time to check the image in the mirror. Things change, not necessarily for the better but there may be some good to come of making the quizzes a bit easier. Just maybe some fresh happy people with dreams of building a radio station can be realized. For those newbies that haven't got it all together maybe recommend a good book to study instead of writing them off is a better idea. Any new guy reading this list will never post a question knowing he will be mocked for asking a silly question. A Merry Christmas to all and all a good night ---- Jim From w5jo at brightok.net Mon Dec 21 22:52:46 2015 From: w5jo at brightok.net (w5jo at brightok.net) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 21:52:46 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Extra Class isn't dumbed down? (was Viking 1) In-Reply-To: References: <000701d13bd2$133c39a0$39b4ace0$@charter.net> Message-ID: <84A2180D054443DC8A21958D733211BE@JimPC> So rote learning has its place. Don't tell the educators. Jim W5JO -----Original Message----- Good evening, How many of us memorize complex mathematical formulas that we have little if any idea as to how they were derived. Try the formula for inductive reactance one of the simplest. That's memorizing a tool. From rbethman at comcast.net Mon Dec 21 23:11:36 2015 From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 23:11:36 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Extra Class isn't dumbed down? In-Reply-To: <84A2180D054443DC8A21958D733211BE@JimPC> References: <000701d13bd2$133c39a0$39b4ace0$@charter.net> <84A2180D054443DC8A21958D733211BE@JimPC> Message-ID: <5678CD78.6080801@comcast.net> Jim, Folks like you and I did a LOT of that when we went to school. The problem I see today is that this generation's parents mostly do not get involved in this process. There are some number that do, but they appear to be relatively rare. It is unfortunate. I guess I'll probably live to watch the results. Long life happens to be in the genetics of my family. As I look at Mother, her parents, and my father, 80s are the norm. Groan. Another 20 years to deal with this dang arthritis..... Regards, Bob - N0DGN On 12/21/2015 10:52 PM, w5jo at brightok.net wrote: > So rote learning has its place. Don't tell the educators. > > Jim > W5JO > > > -----Original Message----- > Good evening, > > How many of us memorize complex mathematical formulas that we have > little if > any idea as to how they were derived. Try the formula for inductive > reactance one of the simplest. That's memorizing a tool. From k9cox at charter.net Mon Dec 21 23:52:22 2015 From: k9cox at charter.net (Ross Stenberg) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 22:52:22 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Extra Class isn't dumbed down? (was Viking 1) In-Reply-To: References: <000701d13bd2$133c39a0$39b4ace0$@charter.net> Message-ID: These young engineers seem to have a pretty good handle on technology these days. Just think of all the technological marvels all around us. http://money.cnn.com/2015/12/21/news/companies/spacex-launch-rocket-landing/ 73 Ross K9COX Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Jim Liles Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 9:36 PM To: amradio at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Extra Class isn't dumbed down? (was Viking 1) Good evening, How many of us memorize complex mathematical formulas that we have little if any idea as to how they were derived. Try the formula for inductive reactance one of the simplest. That's memorizing a tool. Even the simplest formulas that we hang our hats on and think we understand will drive us to distraction when we ask ourselves how were they derived. A newbie may ask a question like "How does the current in an inductor lag the voltage?" OK, now explain it to him in words that he can assimilate, not because it's written in some book. Try it, write an explanation that?s simple to understand. A bit of tolerance and courtesy might be a better idea than whining about how dopy others are, time to check the image in the mirror. Things change, not necessarily for the better but there may be some good to come of making the quizzes a bit easier. Just maybe some fresh happy people with dreams of building a radio station can be realized. For those newbies that haven't got it all together maybe recommend a good book to study instead of writing them off is a better idea. Any new guy reading this list will never post a question knowing he will be mocked for asking a silly question. A Merry Christmas to all and all a good night ---- Jim ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9cox at charter.net From k4kyv at charter.net Tue Dec 22 03:06:50 2015 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 02:06:50 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna disconnects In-Reply-To: References: <1898666610.1810029.1450717680528.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1898666610.1810029.1450717680528.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000a01d13c8f$b6838ec0$238aac40$@charter.net> > Spark gaps and a long stick to throw the knife switch handle? > Nick England K4NYW > www.navy-radio.com Maybe you could configure something like what I sometimes see on utility poles where the knife switch is up high on the pole near the HV wires, but it has a rod that runs down the pole to a lever at arm's reach from the ground, that is manipulated and the rod transfers duplicate motion to the switch. You would need a lever at the bottom the same dimensions as the switch, with a pivot arm the same distance away. Just raise and lower the arm, and that would raise and lower the knife switch that is too high to reach. Don k4kyv From k4kyv at charter.net Tue Dec 22 03:12:40 2015 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 02:12:40 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] What happened to Vaisala Lightning map In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000c01d13c90$87198990$954c9cb0$@charter.net> > http://www.lightningstorm.com/explorer.html has been out for at least a week. > Too bad. It was always my favorite lightning map. > Rob > K5UJ Works OK here. Maybe you got the URL wrong. The one I use is "thunderstorm", not "lightningstorm": http://thunderstorm.vaisala.com/explorer.html From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Tue Dec 22 06:22:30 2015 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 05:22:30 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Extra Class isn't dumbed down? (was Viking 1) In-Reply-To: References: <000701d13bd2$133c39a0$39b4ace0$@charter.net> Message-ID: Current lags in an inductor because the field is induced first but the bulk of the current doesn't flow until the field collapses. you can't justify memorizing _everything_ because many have memorized math formulas. Sorry, but that's a false analogy. Try something else; good luck. 73 Merry Christmas Rob K5UJ From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Tue Dec 22 06:26:22 2015 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 05:26:22 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] What happened to Vaisala Lightning map In-Reply-To: <000c01d13c90$87198990$954c9cb0$@charter.net> References: <000c01d13c90$87198990$954c9cb0$@charter.net> Message-ID: Thanks Don; They must have let an alias lapse and I didn't know it was an alias. Rob K5UJ On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 2:12 AM, Donald Chester wrote: > >> http://www.lightningstorm.com/explorer.html has been out for at least a > week. > >> Too bad. It was always my favorite lightning map. > >> Rob >> K5UJ > > Works OK here. Maybe you got the URL wrong. The one I use is > "thunderstorm", not "lightningstorm": > > http://thunderstorm.vaisala.com/explorer.html > From ka1kaq at gmail.com Tue Dec 22 15:16:24 2015 From: ka1kaq at gmail.com (Todd, KA1KAQ) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 15:16:24 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Extra Class isn't dumbed down? (was Viking 1) In-Reply-To: References: <000701d13bd2$133c39a0$39b4ace0$@charter.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 6:22 AM, Rob Atkinson wrote: Current lags in an inductor because the field is induced first but the > bulk of the current doesn't flow until the field collapses. > > you can't justify memorizing _everything_ because many have memorized > math formulas. Sorry, but that's a false analogy. Try something > else; good luck. > Sure you can: ELI the ICE man. I had a broadcast engineer as a mentor who gave me that little hint for remembering the formulae involved after he explained them to me. The test questions involved whether current led or lagged, not why. And memorizing answers for multiple choice ham exams was a big business for Dick Bash and others well before the VE program came along. Code was still mandatory then, and there were still plenty of lids on the air as well as others with a lot to learn. So we've covered the evils of ebay, dumbing down from VE exams, hmmm.....what's next? How about bad-fitting dentures? Liver spots? Maybe plug-n-play plastic radios again? I bet Santa has a bunch loaded in his sleigh already. (o: Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you also, Rob - and anyone else on the list so-inclined as to enjoy the season. ~ Todd, KA1KAQ/4 From manualman at juno.com Tue Dec 22 16:35:25 2015 From: manualman at juno.com (manualman at juno.com) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 16:35:25 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Extra Class isn't dumbed down? (was was) Message-ID: Well, we could cover the perceived annoyance of changing from standard time to daylight savings time and vice versa, or wide bashing signals in the imagery AM window, or why does the ARRL transmit SSB bulletins on 7290, or the perceived notion that the ARRL doesn't represent every amateur's interest. Pete, wa2cwa Ho Ho On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 15:16:24 -0500 "Todd, KA1KAQ" writes: > On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 6:22 AM, Rob Atkinson > wrote: > > So we've covered the evils of ebay, dumbing down from VE exams, > hmmm.....what's next? How about bad-fitting dentures? Liver spots? > Maybe > plug-n-play plastic radios again? I bet Santa has a bunch loaded in > his > sleigh already. (o: > > Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you also, Rob - and anyone > else on > the list so-inclined as to enjoy the season. > > ~ Todd, KA1KAQ/4 From hallicrafterssr2000 at k9axn.com Tue Dec 22 21:50:21 2015 From: hallicrafterssr2000 at k9axn.com (Jim Liles) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 20:50:21 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Extra Class isn't dumbed down? (was Viking 1) In-Reply-To: References: <000701d13bd2$133c39a0$39b4ace0$@charter.net> Message-ID: <64938662458E46BD94920977B96A0745@LILESJLAPTOP> Hi Rob, I wasn't suggesting memorizing everything. I suggested that we all memorize formulas and concepts not just newbies. Now, because they may memorize more than others doesn't qualify them for target practice. Rob, your comment "Current lags in an inductor because the field is induced first but the bulk of the current doesn't flow until the field collapses" is not what I was looking for. The question that I ask is "How does the current get to the point that it lags the voltage by 90 degrees in an inductor?". That's a universally asked question by new comers to the hobby including myself 62 years ago as a Novice. Explain it using a single sine wave applied to an inductor; don't cloud the explanation with resistance, just inductance. Don't worry about the values, explain how and at what time during that first cycle there is a 90 degree relationship: or any cycle after the first. Articulate the phase relationship at the end of each 1/4 cycle. I asked this because rote learned concepts do not necessarily mean there is understanding; but they are a good starting point. If this is of no interest to anyone simply erase it and I will simply evaporate. Some may find it interesting. Kindest regards Jim K9AXN -----Original Message----- From: Rob Atkinson Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 5:22 AM To: Jim Liles Cc: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Extra Class isn't dumbed down? (was Viking 1) Current lags in an inductor because the field is induced first but the bulk of the current doesn't flow until the field collapses. you can't justify memorizing _everything_ because many have memorized math formulas. Sorry, but that's a false analogy. Try something else; good luck. 73 Merry Christmas Rob K5UJ From paul at paulbaldock.com Wed Dec 23 00:38:45 2015 From: paul at paulbaldock.com (Paul Baldock) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 21:38:45 -0800 Subject: [AMRadio] WTB: Knobs for Globe Scout Deluxe Message-ID: >I'm looking for two knobs for a Globe Scout Deluxe. > >Thanks > >- Paul KW7Y --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From navy.radio at gmail.com Wed Dec 23 05:41:53 2015 From: navy.radio at gmail.com (Nick England) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 05:41:53 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Extra Class isn't dumbed down? (was Viking 1) In-Reply-To: <64938662458E46BD94920977B96A0745@LILESJLAPTOP> References: <000701d13bd2$133c39a0$39b4ace0$@charter.net> <64938662458E46BD94920977B96A0745@LILESJLAPTOP> Message-ID: See Maxwell's equations but basically what Rob said. For an inductor v=Ldi/dt. So current through an inductor is proportional to the integral over time of the voltage. The integral of a steady state sine wave is a sine wave lagging by 90 degrees. For the first cycle you probably need Laplace transforms to figure it out exactly but that course was a long time ago. Howzzat? On Tuesday, December 22, 2015, Jim Liles wrote: > Hi Rob, > > I wasn't suggesting memorizing everything. I suggested that we all > memorize > formulas and concepts not just newbies. Now, because they may memorize > more > than others doesn't qualify them for target practice. > > Rob, your comment "Current lags in an inductor because the field is induced > first but the bulk of the current doesn't flow until the field collapses" > is > not what I was looking for. > > The question that I ask is "How does the current get to the point that it > lags the voltage by 90 degrees in an inductor?". > > That's a universally asked question by new comers to the hobby including > myself 62 years ago as a Novice. > > Explain it using a single sine wave applied to an inductor; don't cloud the > explanation with resistance, just inductance. Don't worry about the > values, > explain how and at what time during that first cycle there is a 90 degree > relationship: or any cycle after the first. > > Articulate the phase relationship at the end of each 1/4 cycle. > > I asked this because rote learned concepts do not necessarily mean there is > understanding; but they are a good starting point. > > If this is of no interest to anyone simply erase it and I will simply > evaporate. Some may find it interesting. > > Kindest regards Jim K9AXN > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Rob Atkinson > Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 5:22 AM > To: Jim Liles > Cc: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Extra Class isn't dumbed down? (was Viking 1) > > Current lags in an inductor because the field is induced first but the > bulk of the current doesn't flow until the field collapses. > > you can't justify memorizing _everything_ because many have memorized > math formulas. Sorry, but that's a false analogy. Try something > else; good luck. > > 73 Merry Christmas > > Rob > K5UJ > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to navy.radio at gmail.com > -- Nick England K4NYW www.navy-radio.com From hallicrafterssr2000 at k9axn.com Wed Dec 23 21:03:59 2015 From: hallicrafterssr2000 at k9axn.com (Jim Liles) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 20:03:59 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Extra Class isn't dumbed down? (was Viking 1) In-Reply-To: References: <000701d13bd2$133c39a0$39b4ace0$@charter.net><64938662458E46BD94920977B96A0745@LILESJLAPTOP> Message-ID: <4CE4F643D10941BA91A5DD6C486D519F@LILESJLAPTOP> Thanks Nick, Dan, and Don, Nick, interesting you brought Maxwell's work front and center. His third and fourth equations proving that displacing a magnetic or electric field in time and space would precipitate electromagnetic radiation. These were the genesis for Einstein's theory of relativity. It also proved that a displaced magnetic or electric field radiate exactly equally. That?s for another time regarding antennas. The reasons regarding most of these concepts were taught in Physics classes until somewhere in the 70?s when the emphasis was redirected to Computer assisted design tools. Had a Professor in the early 60?s who taught what is now Physics, Applied Physics, and the logic track in Philosophy; he loved to present analogies. One of the dozens that he used was inductive reactance and behavior. After Jan 1 I?ll wrap words around the inductive reactance and 90 degree analogy and add it to my web site. Doesn?t require complex equations, simply easy to understand logic. Kindest regards Jim K9AXN -----Original Message----- From: Nick England Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 4:41 AM To: Jim Liles Cc: Rob Atkinson ; Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Extra Class isn't dumbed down? (was Viking 1) See Maxwell's equations but basically what Rob said. For an inductor v=Ldi/dt. So current through an inductor is proportional to the integral over time of the voltage. The integral of a steady state sine wave is a sine wave lagging by 90 degrees. For the first cycle you probably need Laplace transforms to figure it out exactly but that course was a long time ago. Howzzat? On Tuesday, December 22, 2015, Jim Liles wrote: Hi Rob, I wasn't suggesting memorizing everything. I suggested that we all memorize formulas and concepts not just newbies. Now, because they may memorize more than others doesn't qualify them for target practice. Rob, your comment "Current lags in an inductor because the field is induced first but the bulk of the current doesn't flow until the field collapses" is not what I was looking for. The question that I ask is "How does the current get to the point that it lags the voltage by 90 degrees in an inductor?". That's a universally asked question by new comers to the hobby including myself 62 years ago as a Novice. Explain it using a single sine wave applied to an inductor; don't cloud the explanation with resistance, just inductance. Don't worry about the values, explain how and at what time during that first cycle there is a 90 degree relationship: or any cycle after the first. Articulate the phase relationship at the end of each 1/4 cycle. I asked this because rote learned concepts do not necessarily mean there is understanding; but they are a good starting point. If this is of no interest to anyone simply erase it and I will simply evaporate. Some may find it interesting. Kindest regards Jim K9AXN -----Original Message----- From: Rob Atkinson Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 5:22 AM To: Jim Liles Cc: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Extra Class isn't dumbed down? (was Viking 1) Current lags in an inductor because the field is induced first but the bulk of the current doesn't flow until the field collapses. you can't justify memorizing _everything_ because many have memorized math formulas. Sorry, but that's a false analogy. Try something else; good luck. 73 Merry Christmas Rob K5UJ ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to navy.radio at gmail.com -- Nick England K4NYW www.navy-radio.com From rbethman at comcast.net Wed Dec 23 22:08:42 2015 From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 22:08:42 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] The old ELI and the ICE man In-Reply-To: <4CE4F643D10941BA91A5DD6C486D519F@LILESJLAPTOP> References: <000701d13bd2$133c39a0$39b4ace0$@charter.net> <64938662458E46BD94920977B96A0745@LILESJLAPTOP> <4CE4F643D10941BA91A5DD6C486D519F@LILESJLAPTOP> Message-ID: <567B61BA.3080205@comcast.net> First things first: MERRY CHRISTMAS Every One!!!! [ I am NOT politically correct! ] Jim, I too went through Physics classes in the early '70s in a very in-depth Nuclear Reactor Training school. In many instances this question of yours is really best taught and answered in a classroom with a few circuits and at least 1 dual channel Oscilloscope. Even an antiquated Tek 535 of tube based circuitry. The same is true with regard to teaching EMI and spikes in the normal house every time one flips a power switch. I used the same when teaching Data Communications as Adjunct Faculty for what was then Park College on Fort Meyers, VA. Let it suffice to say that the simple Oscilloscope Display in a very dimmed room, made my point regarding the nature of data transmission and the EMI that it can cause without necessary precautions and shielding. The very first demonstration was the display while turning on the simple light switch. I took an alder TEK Storage Oscilloscope that I was given by MARS before I went overseas my last O CONUS tour of duty. It has finally passed away from over use, both by the prior Military usage, the MARS use, and finally - mine! I only wish I could fit another one of its class into my budget now. That is another topic entirely, and NOT for this or any other list! Let it be, simply age creeps up, time goes on, and eventually retirement comes. Life takes a different meaning for those of us whom then get swept into the realm of Medicare and the rest that comes with all that junk! Regards, Bob - N0DGN [ An Old Curmudgeon ] On 12/23/2015 9:03 PM, Jim Liles wrote: > Thanks Nick, Dan, and Don, > > Nick, interesting you brought Maxwell's work front and center. His third and fourth equations proving that displacing a magnetic or electric field in time and space would precipitate electromagnetic radiation. These were the genesis for Einstein's theory of relativity. It also proved that a displaced magnetic or electric field radiate exactly equally. That?s for another time regarding antennas. > > The reasons regarding most of these concepts were taught in Physics classes until somewhere in the 70?s when the emphasis was redirected to Computer assisted design tools. Had a Professor in the early 60?s who taught what is now Physics, Applied Physics, and the logic track in Philosophy; he loved to present analogies. One of the dozens that he used was inductive reactance and behavior. After Jan 1 I?ll wrap words around the inductive reactance and 90 degree analogy and add it to my web site. Doesn?t require complex equations, simply easy to understand logic. > > Kindest regards Jim K9AXN From hallicrafterssr2000 at k9axn.com Wed Dec 23 22:39:50 2015 From: hallicrafterssr2000 at k9axn.com (Jim Liles) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 21:39:50 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] The old ELI and the ICE man In-Reply-To: <567B61BA.3080205@comcast.net> References: <000701d13bd2$133c39a0$39b4ace0$@charter.net><64938662458E46BD94920977B96A0745@LILESJLAPTOP><4CE4F643D10941BA91A5DD6C486D519F@LILESJLAPTOP> <567B61BA.3080205@comcast.net> Message-ID: Yes Bob, you are politically correct!! I also wish all a Merry Christmas and to all a good night. It is the best time of year for my family and a tradition that has very deep roots. Best wishes --- Kindest regards Jim K9AXN -----Original Message----- From: rbethman Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 9:08 PM To: amradio at mailman.qth.net Subject: [AMRadio] The old ELI and the ICE man First things first: MERRY CHRISTMAS Every One!!!! [ I am NOT politically correct! ] Jim, I too went through Physics classes in the early '70s in a very in-depth Nuclear Reactor Training school. In many instances this question of yours is really best taught and answered in a classroom with a few circuits and at least 1 dual channel Oscilloscope. Even an antiquated Tek 535 of tube based circuitry. The same is true with regard to teaching EMI and spikes in the normal house every time one flips a power switch. I used the same when teaching Data Communications as Adjunct Faculty for what was then Park College on Fort Meyers, VA. Let it suffice to say that the simple Oscilloscope Display in a very dimmed room, made my point regarding the nature of data transmission and the EMI that it can cause without necessary precautions and shielding. The very first demonstration was the display while turning on the simple light switch. I took an alder TEK Storage Oscilloscope that I was given by MARS before I went overseas my last O CONUS tour of duty. It has finally passed away from over use, both by the prior Military usage, the MARS use, and finally - mine! I only wish I could fit another one of its class into my budget now. That is another topic entirely, and NOT for this or any other list! Let it be, simply age creeps up, time goes on, and eventually retirement comes. Life takes a different meaning for those of us whom then get swept into the realm of Medicare and the rest that comes with all that junk! Regards, Bob - N0DGN [ An Old Curmudgeon ] On 12/23/2015 9:03 PM, Jim Liles wrote: > Thanks Nick, Dan, and Don, > > Nick, interesting you brought Maxwell's work front and center. His third > and fourth equations proving that displacing a magnetic or electric field > in time and space would precipitate electromagnetic radiation. These were > the genesis for Einstein's theory of relativity. It also proved that a > displaced magnetic or electric field radiate exactly equally. That?s for > another time regarding antennas. > > The reasons regarding most of these concepts were taught in Physics > classes until somewhere in the 70?s when the emphasis was redirected to > Computer assisted design tools. Had a Professor in the early 60?s who > taught what is now Physics, Applied Physics, and the logic track in > Philosophy; he loved to present analogies. One of the dozens that he used > was inductive reactance and behavior. After Jan 1 I?ll wrap words around > the inductive reactance and 90 degree analogy and add it to my web site. > Doesn?t require complex equations, simply easy to understand logic. > > Kindest regards Jim K9AXN ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hallicrafterssr2000 at k9axn.com From w1ksz at earthlink.net Fri Dec 25 20:47:45 2015 From: w1ksz at earthlink.net (Richard W. Solomon) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 18:47:45 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] FS: VIKING VALIANT Message-ID: <000601d13f7f$6b569d50$4203d7f0$@net> Mint condition Viking Valiant For Sale. This is one of the cleanest I have ever seen. Picture available on request. Asking $350 and due to it's size and weight, pick-up only in Vail, AZ. (20m SSE of Tucson). 73 and Happy Holidays, Dick, W1KSZ From paul at paulbaldock.com Fri Dec 25 22:01:00 2015 From: paul at paulbaldock.com (Paul Baldock) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 19:01:00 -0800 Subject: [AMRadio] Heavy Metal AM Rally In-Reply-To: <000601d13f7f$6b569d50$4203d7f0$@net> References: <000601d13f7f$6b569d50$4203d7f0$@net> Message-ID: Is there an upcoming Heavy Metal AM Rally? - Paul --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From manualman at juno.com Sat Dec 26 03:02:26 2015 From: manualman at juno.com (manualman at juno.com) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 03:02:26 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Heavy Metal AM Rally Message-ID: It was listed in November issue of Electric Radio. Sunday, 12/27/15 Pete, wa2cwa On Fri, 25 Dec 2015 19:01:00 -0800 Paul Baldock writes: > Is there an upcoming Heavy Metal AM Rally? > > - Paul From jcandela at prodigy.net Sat Dec 26 09:40:00 2015 From: jcandela at prodigy.net (Jim Candela) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 14:40:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] Heavy Metal AM Rally In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <157249001.3377332.1451140800809.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Going to the ER website, there is no mention. There are a few more words on AMFONE:http://amfone.net/Amforum/index.php?topic=41069.0 It appears that those who do not subscribe to ER are not invited, and those that do are not being very forthcoming with any details. Internet searches do pop up more info regarding prior years Heavy Metal AM Rally's, frequencies, times, etc. JimWd5JKO On Saturday, December 26, 2015 2:05 AM, "manualman at juno.com" wrote: It was listed in November issue of Electric Radio. Sunday, 12/27/15 Pete, wa2cwa On Fri, 25 Dec 2015 19:01:00 -0800 Paul Baldock writes: > Is there an upcoming Heavy Metal AM Rally? > > - Paul ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jcandela at prodigy.net From ka1kaq at gmail.com Sat Dec 26 11:10:11 2015 From: ka1kaq at gmail.com (Todd, KA1KAQ) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 11:10:11 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Heavy Metal AM Rally In-Reply-To: <157249001.3377332.1451140800809.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <157249001.3377332.1451140800809.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 26, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Jim Candela wrote: > Going to the ER website, there is no mention. There are a few more words > on AMFONE:http://amfone.net/Amforum/index.php?topic=41069.0 > It appears that those who do not subscribe to ER are not invited, and > those that do are not being very forthcoming with any details. > Oh, I don't think it's as sinister as all that, Jim. (o: I seem to recall something about Ray being laid up with medical issues recently, so that might be why it's not on the site. My recollection of the past is that neither Ray nor Barry before him sent out personal invitations. It primarily a word-of-mouth process that got the info out there. True, there aren't many (any?) people out there talking it up. The real problem is more likely related to the drop in overall AM activity, holiday and otherwise. A number of the better known AMers have been absent from the bands due to other obligations or maybe a waning interest. Also folks like myself who, along with family obligations, have a list of 'deferred maintenance' issues to deal with like aerials that need raising, transmitter repairs, and so on. Hope there's a decent turn out and people send Ray their logs. The last few years haven't been great by any means, though apparently last year was an improvement. ~ Todd, KA1KAQ/4 From w5jo at brightok.net Sat Dec 26 11:28:00 2015 From: w5jo at brightok.net (w5jo at brightok.net) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 10:28:00 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Wattmeter manual Message-ID: <596E5145EC7B4E349421FCAFC5A6B992@JimPC> I have come across and R F Applications P 1500 wattmeter and it is without the manual. I wonder if anyone has one they can scan and send to me? All the usual searches do not find a copy including the manual suppliers. If you can't scan, I will pay your copy and postage bills. Jim W5JO From manualman at juno.com Sat Dec 26 13:04:10 2015 From: manualman at juno.com (manualman at juno.com) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:04:10 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Heavy Metal AM Rally Message-ID: I don't recall Ray posting information on his web site in past years either. There is a blurb in the November 2015 issue about it as in past years. This is a quote in the first line of the blurb: " I have been debating not sponsoring the annual Heavy Metal Night this year because of almost no response here over the last two years, even though operating activity has been good." So, if I was sponsoring this event and received little to no feedback from the participants on activity, stations worked, unique equipment used, etc., I would inclined to consider not being the sponsor for this thing. It's not worth my time or effort. If you guys want an annual Heavy Metal Night, then actively support the sponsor with activity information. It's a relatively simple concept. Pete, wa2cwa On Sat, 26 Dec 2015 14:40:00 +0000 (UTC) Jim Candela writes: > Going to the ER website, there is no mention. There are a few more > words on AMFONE:http://amfone.net/Amforum/index.php?topic=41069.0 > It appears that those who do not subscribe to ER are not invited, > and those that do are not being very forthcoming with any details. > Internet searches do pop up more info regarding prior years Heavy > Metal AM Rally's, frequencies, times, etc. > > JimWd5JKO > > > On Saturday, December 26, 2015 2:05 AM, "manualman at juno.com" > wrote: > > > It was listed in November issue of Electric Radio. > Sunday, 12/27/15 > > Pete, wa2cwa > > On Fri, 25 Dec 2015 19:01:00 -0800 Paul Baldock > > writes: > > Is there an upcoming Heavy Metal AM Rally? > > > > - Paul From ne1s at securespeed.us Sat Dec 26 13:24:57 2015 From: ne1s at securespeed.us (Larry Szendrei) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:24:57 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Heavy Metal AM Rally In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <567EDB79.5000603@securespeed.us> On 12/26/15 1:04 PM, manualman at juno.com wrote: > I don't recall Ray posting information on his web site in past years > either. > There is a blurb in the November 2015 issue about it as in past years. > This is a quote in the first line of the blurb: > " I have been debating not sponsoring the annual Heavy Metal Night this > year because of almost no response here over the last two years, even > though operating activity has been good." > > So, if I was sponsoring this event and received little to no feedback > from the participants on activity, stations worked, unique equipment > used, etc., I would inclined to consider not being the sponsor for this > thing. It's not worth my time or effort. If you guys want an annual Heavy > Metal Night, then actively support the sponsor with activity information. > It's a relatively simple concept. > > FWIW, I sent in my log from last year to Ray. I did all my operating on 75M in the "window," or "ghetto," if you prefer. I was on constantly from 5PM until around midnight EST. I hope to put in a similar effort tomorrow night, but will probably quit turn in a bit earlier because my XYL gets up for work Monday at 5AM, and I'm in the habit of getting up with her. 73, -Larry/NE1S From jcandela at prodigy.net Sat Dec 26 13:47:35 2015 From: jcandela at prodigy.net (Jim Candela) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 18:47:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] Heavy Metal AM Rally In-Reply-To: <567EDB79.5000603@securespeed.us> References: <567EDB79.5000603@securespeed.us> Message-ID: <248554596.3424588.1451155655630.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, First off as an occasional poster here, I surely do not want to come across negative. Electric Radio magazine and those that make it all possible are wonderful, and the hobby, and radio is better off. That said, I freely admit that I am cheap, and have never subscribed. I surely do not endorse that we openly post any recently Copyrighted material to web forums for legal reasons. Then there is the QST issue where they will never admit when their Copyrights expire. It is commonplace therefore to refer folks to ER such as, issue 117, or October 2006. Sometimes the back issues are available at a reasonable amount. Where I draw the line though is with something like an announcement of an upcoming contest such as this Heavy Metal Rally. Do we still have to consider this announcement wrapped in a Copyrighted blanket, and sharing it would constitute breaking the law? I wonder how KD0HG if he were still alive would feel about this? JimWd5JKO On Saturday, December 26, 2015 12:25 PM, Larry Szendrei wrote: On 12/26/15 1:04 PM, manualman at juno.com wrote: > I don't recall Ray posting information on his web site in past years > either. > There is a blurb in the November 2015 issue about it as in past years. > This is a quote in the first line of the blurb: > " I have been debating not sponsoring the annual Heavy Metal Night this > year because of almost no response here over the last two years, even > though operating activity has been good." > > So, if I was sponsoring this event and received little to no feedback > from the participants on activity, stations worked, unique equipment > used, etc., I would inclined to consider not being the sponsor for this > thing. It's not worth my time or effort. If you guys want an annual Heavy > Metal Night, then actively support the sponsor with activity information. > It's a relatively simple concept. > > FWIW, I sent in my log from last year to Ray. I did all my operating on 75M in the "window," or "ghetto," if you prefer. I was on constantly from 5PM until around midnight EST. I hope to put in a similar effort tomorrow night, but will probably quit turn in a bit earlier because my XYL gets up for work Monday at 5AM, and I'm in the habit of getting up with her. 73, -Larry/NE1S ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jcandela at prodigy.net From w5jo at brightok.net Sat Dec 26 14:23:57 2015 From: w5jo at brightok.net (w5jo at brightok.net) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:23:57 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Heavy Metal AM Rally In-Reply-To: <248554596.3424588.1451155655630.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <567EDB79.5000603@securespeed.us> <248554596.3424588.1451155655630.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <127AA259BF354097A050944FD8C6FBCC@JimPC> Isn't there a KD0HG memorial night, or is the Heavy Metal Rally called that now? Jim W5JO -----Original Message----- I wonder how KD0HG if he were still alive would feel about this? From manualman at juno.com Sat Dec 26 15:03:31 2015 From: manualman at juno.com (manualman at juno.com) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 15:03:31 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Heavy Metal AM Rally Message-ID: You said: "Where I draw the line though is with something like an announcement of an upcoming contest such as this Heavy Metal Rally. Do we still have to consider this announcement wrapped in a Copyrighted blanket, and sharing it would constitute breaking the law?" Do you want Ray to come here and announce it????? I think Ray would be very happy to have a great Heavy Metal Rally turn out and have lots of logs, pictures, activity information submitted to him. The Heavy Metal Rally is not a secret each year. It's been around since the 90's. Pete, wa2cwa On Sat, 26 Dec 2015 18:47:35 +0000 (UTC) Jim Candela writes: > > Hi all, First off as an occasional poster here, I surely do not want > to come across negative. Electric Radio magazine and those that make > it all possible are wonderful, and the hobby, and radio is better > off. That said, I freely admit that I am cheap, and have never > subscribed. I surely do not endorse that we openly post any recently > Copyrighted material to web forums for legal reasons. Then there is > the QST issue where they will never admit when their Copyrights > expire. > It is commonplace therefore to refer folks to ER such as, issue 117, > or October 2006. Sometimes the back issues are available at a > reasonable amount. Where I draw the line though is with something > like an announcement of an upcoming contest such as this Heavy Metal > Rally. Do we still have to consider this announcement wrapped in a > Copyrighted blanket, and sharing it would constitute breaking the > law? I wonder how KD0HG if he were still alive would feel about > this? > JimWd5JKO > From ka1kaq at gmail.com Sun Dec 27 12:30:07 2015 From: ka1kaq at gmail.com (Todd, KA1KAQ) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 12:30:07 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Heavy Metal AM Rally In-Reply-To: <248554596.3424588.1451155655630.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <567EDB79.5000603@securespeed.us> <248554596.3424588.1451155655630.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 26, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Jim Candela wrote: > Do we still have to consider this announcement wrapped in a Copyrighted > blanket, and sharing it would constitute breaking the law? I wonder how > KD0HG if he were still alive would feel about this? > I think you're waaay overthinking this, Jim. Since when would announcing/mentioning/discussing a ham radio event be "wrapped in a Copyrighted blanket"? That's just nuts. No doubt in my mind that Ray would gladly welcome more discussion, more publicity, and whatever else it takes to result in more participation. Bill was a longtime moderator on AMfone and the Heavy Metal topic was discussed numerous times. We discussed it privately as well. The only thing close to any issue he may have had with it was the constant tinkering with the rules anytime someone whined about not qualifying because they had a Class E transmitter, a plastic Yaecomwood transceiver with a linear, or anything else that wasn't real Heavy Metal. He thought at times people were seeing it too much like a contest and not enough as a get together on the air to celebrate AM and big, heavy, high powered tube transmitters of yesteryear. The comparison Bill used often was to think of HMR like a motorcycle show or rally. Along with the Harleys you could find Indians, Triumphs, Nortons, Hendersons, and any number of off-beat or unheard of participants. Along with filling the airwaves with AM signals, the ideal was to draw interesting folks with interesting transmitters out of the woodwork and back onto the air. The awards were secondary, meant as much for entertainment as anything else. Participation was never limited to big tube rigs or meant to exclude any type of AM signal. But for sure, the event was meant to celebrate and highlight such transmitters. Barry and then Ray had to deal with the crybabies who wanted rule changes constantly to make the event more of a generic 'everybody gets a trophy' approach when it was never exclusionary to start with, beyond the final award. So if anything, it was the endless re-defining of 'Heavy Metal' to suit others that annoyed Bill. And I don't believe even that was an issue for him. He had no problems with and actually asked for/agreed to the ER sponsorship years before his passing. To answer Jim/W5JO - the HMR and KD0HG Memorial event are one and the same. Ray renamed it after Bill's passing 3 yrs back. Hard to believe it's been that long. ~ Todd, KA1KAQ/4 From jcandela at prodigy.net Sun Dec 27 12:53:47 2015 From: jcandela at prodigy.net (Jim Candela) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 17:53:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] Heavy Metal AM Rally In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1759537047.3597600.1451238827627.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Here is what I have found thus far concerning the 2015 HM AM Rally: KD?HG Heavy Metal Rally | ? | | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | | KD?HG Heavy Metal RallyA site dedicated for the AM Radio Amateur and vintage radio. Home of the AM Press/Exchange, The AM Forum (the largest BBS of it's kind),and The AM Classifieds, Photos, Audio, and technical information. Audio and Video chat rooms. | | | | View on amfone.net | Preview by Yahoo | | | | ? | "Announcement in the November issue of Electric Radio. December 27 after dark." Perhaps that is all there is available. If there is more, such as bands, frequencies, how to tally scores, and when it ends, a NON? ER subscriber is left out.? So if there is more available, perhaps someone knowing could update the announcement linked above, and / or post that here? I don't think I am thinking too hard on this. Thanks!JimWd5JKO ? On Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:30 AM, "Todd, KA1KAQ" wrote: On Sat, Dec 26, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Jim Candela wrote: Do we still have to consider this announcement wrapped in a Copyrighted blanket, and sharing it would constitute breaking the law? I wonder how KD0HG if he were still alive would feel about this? I think you're waaay overthinking this, Jim. Since when would announcing/mentioning/discussing a ham radio event be "wrapped in a Copyrighted blanket"? That's just nuts. No doubt in my mind that Ray would gladly welcome more discussion, more publicity, and whatever else it takes to result in more participation. Bill was a longtime moderator on AMfone and the Heavy Metal topic was discussed numerous times. We discussed it privately as well. The only thing close to any issue he may have had with it was the constant tinkering with the rules anytime someone whined about not qualifying because they had a Class E transmitter, a plastic Yaecomwood transceiver with a linear, or anything else that wasn't real Heavy Metal. He thought at times people were seeing it too much like a contest and not enough as a get together on the air to celebrate AM and big, heavy, high powered tube transmitters of yesteryear. The comparison Bill used often was to think of HMR like a motorcycle show or rally. Along with the Harleys you could find Indians, Triumphs, Nortons, Hendersons, and any number of off-beat or unheard of participants. Along with filling the airwaves with AM signals, the ideal was to draw interesting folks with interesting transmitters out of the woodwork and back onto the air. The awards were secondary, meant as much for entertainment as anything else. Participation was never limited to big tube rigs or meant to exclude any type of AM signal. But for sure, the event was meant to celebrate and highlight such transmitters. Barry and then Ray had to deal with the crybabies who wanted rule changes constantly to make the event more of a generic 'everybody gets a trophy' approach when it was never exclusionary to start with, beyond the final award. So if anything, it was the endless re-defining of 'Heavy Metal' to suit others that annoyed Bill. And I don't believe even that was an issue for him. He had no problems with and actually asked for/agreed to the ER sponsorship years before his passing. To answer Jim/W5JO - the HMR and KD0HG Memorial event are one and the same. Ray renamed it after Bill's passing 3 yrs back. Hard to believe it's been that long. ~ Todd,? KA1KAQ/4 ? ? From ka1kaq at gmail.com Sun Dec 27 13:17:44 2015 From: ka1kaq at gmail.com (Todd, KA1KAQ) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 13:17:44 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Heavy Metal AM Rally In-Reply-To: <1759537047.3597600.1451238827627.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1759537047.3597600.1451238827627.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You know as much as I do about the particulars, Jim. Just a guess on my part, but I think all you need to do is keep a log and send it to Ray. He can figure out the rest. My subscription lapsed in 2014 when I was traveling, need to renew it. Again - just a guess on my part - I think the main reason Ray doesn't get more logs is due to the fact that the event has changed more into a contest-like event with the emphasis on 'points' and less the on-air rally atmosphere Bill envisioned. My experience has been that many (most?) AMers enjoy AM because it's more laid back ad natural, and not like a SSB contest. They enjoy just getting on and operating their station. The opportunity to work a bunch of new stations and meet new folks/hear different equipment is what draws them more so than any hope or promise of an award. ~ Todd/KAQ On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 12:53 PM, Jim Candela wrote: > > > Here is what I have found thus far concerning the 2015 HM AM Rally: > > KD?HG Heavy Metal Rally > > > > > > > > KD?HG Heavy Metal Rally > > A site dedicated for the AM Radio Amateur and vintage radio. Home of the > AM Press/Exchange, The AM Forum (the largest BBS of it's kind),and The AM > Classifieds, Photos, Audio, and technical information. Audio and Video chat > rooms. > View on amfone.net > Preview by Yahoo > > > "Announcement in the November issue of Electric Radio. > December 27 after dark." > > Perhaps that is all there is available. If there is more, such as bands, > frequencies, how to tally scores, and when it ends, a NON ER subscriber is > left out. So if there is more available, perhaps someone knowing could > update the announcement linked above, and / or post that here? I don't > think I am thinking too hard on this. > > Thanks! > Jim > Wd5JKO > > > > On Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:30 AM, "Todd, KA1KAQ" > wrote: > > > On Sat, Dec 26, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Jim Candela wrote: > > Do we still have to consider this announcement wrapped in a Copyrighted > blanket, and sharing it would constitute breaking the law? I wonder how > KD0HG if he were still alive would feel about this? > > > I think you're waaay overthinking this, Jim. Since when would > announcing/mentioning/discussing a ham radio event be "wrapped in a > Copyrighted blanket"? That's just nuts. No doubt in my mind that Ray would > gladly welcome more discussion, more publicity, and whatever else it takes > to result in more participation. > > Bill was a longtime moderator on AMfone and the Heavy Metal topic was > discussed numerous times. We discussed it privately as well. The only thing > close to any issue he may have had with it was the constant tinkering with > the rules anytime someone whined about not qualifying because they had a > Class E transmitter, a plastic Yaecomwood transceiver with a linear, or > anything else that wasn't real Heavy Metal. He thought at times people were > seeing it too much like a contest and not enough as a get together on the > air to celebrate AM and big, heavy, high powered tube transmitters of > yesteryear. > > The comparison Bill used often was to think of HMR like a motorcycle show > or rally. Along with the Harleys you could find Indians, Triumphs, Nortons, > Hendersons, and any number of off-beat or unheard of participants. Along > with filling the airwaves with AM signals, the ideal was to draw > interesting folks with interesting transmitters out of the woodwork and > back onto the air. The awards were secondary, meant as much for > entertainment as anything else. > > Participation was never limited to big tube rigs or meant to exclude any > type of AM signal. But for sure, the event was meant to celebrate and > highlight such transmitters. Barry and then Ray had to deal with the > crybabies who wanted rule changes constantly to make the event more of a > generic 'everybody gets a trophy' approach when it was never exclusionary > to start with, beyond the final award. > > So if anything, it was the endless re-defining of 'Heavy Metal' to suit > others that annoyed Bill. And I don't believe even that was an issue for > him. He had no problems with and actually asked for/agreed to the ER > sponsorship years before his passing. > > To answer Jim/W5JO - the HMR and KD0HG Memorial event are one and the > same. Ray renamed it after Bill's passing 3 yrs back. Hard to believe it's > been that long. > > > ~ Todd, KA1KAQ/4 > > > > > > From manualman at juno.com Sun Dec 27 14:01:02 2015 From: manualman at juno.com (manualman at juno.com) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 14:01:02 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Heavy Metal AM Rally Message-ID: A further search on AMFone for past Heavy Metal Rallies would have also turned up this: It starts at 5:00PM Eastern Time, running mostly at night, and most activity is on 75 meter phone! I wouldn't worry about scoring data. Send in a list of who you worked, what equipment you were using, what equipment the other stations were using, who in your opinion sounded the best, any other interesting information about the contact(s), maybe some pictures of the equipment you were using, etc. This isn't a rocket science event; it's a fun event. Pete, wa2cwa On Sun, 27 Dec 2015 17:53:47 +0000 (UTC) Jim Candela writes: > > > Here is what I have found thus far concerning the 2015 HM AM Rally: > KD?HG Heavy Metal Rally > > | | > | | | | | | > | KD?HG Heavy Metal RallyA site dedicated for the AM Radio Amateur > and vintage radio. Home of the AM Press/Exchange, The AM Forum (the > largest BBS of it's kind),and The AM Classifieds, Photos, Audio, and > technical information. Audio and Video chat rooms. | > | | > | View on amfone.net | Preview by Yahoo | > | | > | | > > > "Announcement in the November issue of Electric Radio. > December 27 after dark." > Perhaps that is all there is available. If there is more, such as > bands, frequencies, how to tally scores, and when it ends, a NON > ER subscriber is left out. So if there is more available, perhaps > someone knowing could update the announcement linked above, and / or > post that here? I don't think I am thinking too hard on this. > > Thanks!JimWd5JKO > > > > On Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:30 AM, "Todd, KA1KAQ" > wrote: > > > On Sat, Dec 26, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Jim Candela > wrote: > > Do we still have to consider this announcement wrapped in a > Copyrighted blanket, and sharing it would constitute breaking the > law? I wonder how KD0HG if he were still alive would feel about > this? > > > I think you're waaay overthinking this, Jim. Since when would > announcing/mentioning/discussing a ham radio event be "wrapped in a > Copyrighted blanket"? That's just nuts. No doubt in my mind that Ray > would gladly welcome more discussion, more publicity, and whatever > else it takes to result in more participation. > > Bill was a longtime moderator on AMfone and the Heavy Metal topic > was discussed numerous times. We discussed it privately as well. The > only thing close to any issue he may have had with it was the > constant tinkering with the rules anytime someone whined about not > qualifying because they had a Class E transmitter, a plastic > Yaecomwood transceiver with a linear, or anything else that wasn't > real Heavy Metal. He thought at times people were seeing it too much > like a contest and not enough as a get together on the air to > celebrate AM and big, heavy, high powered tube transmitters of > yesteryear. > > The comparison Bill used often was to think of HMR like a motorcycle > show or rally. Along with the Harleys you could find Indians, > Triumphs, Nortons, Hendersons, and any number of off-beat or unheard > of participants. Along with filling the airwaves with AM signals, > the ideal was to draw interesting folks with interesting > transmitters out of the woodwork and back onto the air. The awards > were secondary, meant as much for entertainment as anything else. > > Participation was never limited to big tube rigs or meant to exclude > any type of AM signal. But for sure, the event was meant to > celebrate and highlight such transmitters. Barry and then Ray had to > deal with the crybabies who wanted rule changes constantly to make > the event more of a generic 'everybody gets a trophy' approach when > it was never exclusionary to start with, beyond the final award. > > So if anything, it was the endless re-defining of 'Heavy Metal' to > suit others that annoyed Bill. And I don't believe even that was an > issue for him. He had no problems with and actually asked for/agreed > to the ER sponsorship years before his passing. > > To answer Jim/W5JO - the HMR and KD0HG Memorial event are one and > the same. Ray renamed it after Bill's passing 3 yrs back. Hard to > believe it's been that long. > > > ~ Todd, KA1KAQ/4 From ne1s at securespeed.us Sun Dec 27 15:32:38 2015 From: ne1s at securespeed.us (Larry Szendrei) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 15:32:38 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Heavy Metal AM Rally In-Reply-To: References: <567EDB79.5000603@securespeed.us> <248554596.3424588.1451155655630.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <56804AE6.6000305@securespeed.us> On 12/27/15 12:30 PM, Todd, KA1KAQ wrote: > To answer Jim/W5JO - the HMR and KD0HG Memorial event are one and the > same. Ray renamed it after Bill's passing 3 yrs back. Hard to believe > it's been that long. ~ Todd, KA1KAQ/4 ...and the Heavy Metal Rally evolved from the 160M AM QSO Party sponsored by Electric Radio back in the nineties. When N2KSZ, an enthusiastic AMer and participant, became a silent modulator in a very unfortunate accident on his farm, it was renamed in his memory to the N2KSZ Memorial 160M AM Contest, or something similar. I hope to be active, and talk to many of you tonight. 73, -Larry/NE1S From ne1s at securespeed.us Sun Dec 27 15:43:24 2015 From: ne1s at securespeed.us (Larry Szendrei) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 15:43:24 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Heavy Metal AM Rally In-Reply-To: References: <1759537047.3597600.1451238827627.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <56804D6C.5080201@securespeed.us> On 12/27/15 1:17 PM, Todd, KA1KAQ wrote: > Again - just a guess on my part - I think the main reason Ray doesn't get > more logs is due to the fact that the event has changed more into a > contest-like event with the emphasis on 'points' and less the on-air rally > atmosphere Bill envisioned. My experience has been that many (most?) AMers > enjoy AM because it's more laid back ad natural, and not like a SSB > contest. They enjoy just getting on and operating their station. The > opportunity to work a bunch of new stations and meet new folks/hear > different equipment is what draws them more so than any hope or promise of > an award. > > The AM QSO Party sponsored by the AWA has a similar problem - no one sends in their logs. I attribute it to the fact that most AMers, myself included, just want to get on the air, exercize our equipment and talk to other like minded folk, and we loath paperwork! That said, I usually do the drudgery of sending in a log, which is why I often "win" that event, without any serious effort or desire to do so - it may be the only log the event organizers received! 73, -Larry/NE1S From w5jo at brightok.net Sun Dec 27 16:14:25 2015 From: w5jo at brightok.net (w5jo at brightok.net) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 15:14:25 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Heavy Metal AM Rally In-Reply-To: <56804D6C.5080201@securespeed.us> References: <1759537047.3597600.1451238827627.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <56804D6C.5080201@securespeed.us> Message-ID: This year may be a real challenge because of the WX in the center of the country. We have had nearly constant rain and thunderstorms for the past 18-24 hours and it is forecast to continue through today until tomorrow morning changing to snow this evening. At that point the system is forecast to move NE up into the Ohio Valley area and that is where I quit reading. An AM operator some of you may know, Mike, WA5CMI lives near the area of Garland, TX where that tornado tracked. I have not heard anything from him, and probably at the very least, his power may be out. I don't know if conditions will allow me to attach my antenna to my equipment or not, but in the event I can't good luck to everyone who operates. Maybe a rain check until next week and we can all get on the air again? Jim W5JO -----Original Message----- The AM QSO Party sponsored by the AWA has a similar problem - no one sends in their logs. I attribute it to the fact that most AMers, myself included, just want to get on the air, exercize our equipment and talk to other like minded folk, and we loath paperwork! That said, I usually do the drudgery of sending in a log, which is why I often "win" that event, without any serious effort or desire to do so - it may be the only log the event organizers received! From wa1qix at piesky.com Sun Dec 27 16:41:40 2015 From: wa1qix at piesky.com (Steve WA1QIX) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 16:41:40 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Heavy Metal AM Rally In-Reply-To: References: <567EDB79.5000603@securespeed.us> <248554596.3424588.1451155655630.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <201512272137.tBRLbhSx024835@mx1.piesky.com> The quoted statement below does not necessarily reflect what actually happened: >The only thing >close to any issue he may have had with it was the constant tinkering with >the rules anytime someone whined about not qualifying because they had a >Class E transmitter, a plastic Yaecomwood transceiver with a linear, or >anything else that wasn't real Heavy Metal. He thought at times people were >seeing it too much like a contest and not enough as a get together on the >air to celebrate AM and big, heavy, high powered tube transmitters of >yesteryear. What actually happened is that the event originally defined Heavy Metal as any AM transmitter running at least 250 watts and/or weighing at least 250 pounds. It was easy, and there was LOTS of participation for years. This worked fine until WA1HUZ won the event with a modified multimode transmitter into a liner amplifier. Clearly heavy metal, and he won fair and square. That is when the rule "tinkering" and rule ambiguities started to happen. The definition of "heavy metal" became unclear - being arbitrarily up to the organizers to determine what is and is not heavy metal. This sort of thing usually does not go over very well, and it didn't. Then when the class E transmitters appeared on the scene - fully qualifying as heavy metal - the rules were changed again to exclude these types of rigs from being able to "win". Events need a critical mass to be successful. By excluding large numbers of people, the critical mass was lost, and the event has been languishing ever since. At the time, I suggested to the organizers that they allow anyone running 250 watts or using rigs weighing more than 250 pounds to "win", and simply make a "special" award for the operator using what is best defined as "Classic Heavy Metal" - plate modulated tube rigs or similar that qualify for either weight or power. By doing this, there would be plenty of participation by the general AM community, and of course the classic Heavy Metal would be highlighted - and use of such rigs encouraged due to the special award. I offered to streamline the logging by creating logging software and a central logging server. Never heard ANYTHING from anyone about this. I ended up writing the software anyway, and using the logging software for another event. This event could be what it once was - a pretty big event - by going back to the original rules, and having a special award for Class Heavy Metal. In this way, the participation will go WAY up because everyone has a fair shot at the "contest" aspect. This will encourage MORE PARTICIPATION - like a snowball - and it will just keep going. There will be more chatter about it on the air and in postings, and more people will dig out their big old rigs which, is what the event was trying to do in the first place. As much as the ideal of an "operating only" event may be appealing, most human beings need a goal or an incentive. It's just the way it is. Let the tomatoes fly :-) I'm sure they will !! From ka1kaq at gmail.com Sun Dec 27 20:22:54 2015 From: ka1kaq at gmail.com (Todd, KA1KAQ) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 20:22:54 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Heavy Metal AM Rally In-Reply-To: <201512272137.tBRLbhSx024835@mx1.piesky.com> References: <567EDB79.5000603@securespeed.us> <248554596.3424588.1451155655630.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <201512272137.tBRLbhSx024835@mx1.piesky.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Steve WA1QIX wrote: The quoted statement below does not necessarily reflect what actually > happened: It wasn't meant to define or reflect what happened, Steve. I don't dispute any of that. It was in response to Jim's query about wondering what Bill would think of it now. My comments reflect only what was told to me in conversations with Bill, Barry, and later Ray as well as my personal conversations with, and listening on the air to, others. It wasn't about anyone being able to take part, more how these three folks perceived the situation before them and the desire by some to change the rules and intent of the event away from its original description. You and I have discussed this many times, face to face at hamfests or the AM Dinner, as well as on the air. I hold the same opinion now as then: the purpose of the event as laid out by its founder was to highlight and promote large, tube based transmitters - plate modulated and otherwise. While all types of gear were welcome, true 'heavy metal' was the intent from the start. Not just the 250 lb minimum *guideline* (which was all it was initially intended to be). The later exclusion you mentioned and resulting towel-wringing was a reflection of this. It was intended to be a clarification as in 'Hey guys, remember what this event was originally meant to be about?'. A few chose to focus exclusively on the 250 lb guideline because it benefited their view and that's when the 'trying to please all the people all the time' changes started. Pretty sure that was how Barry described it to me. The only ambiguity was not making it more clear at the outset and instead assuming folks would keep with the spirit of the event. Nothing wrong with Class E, SDR, Yaecomwood transceivers or anything else. I'll talk with anyone using any type of gear. But if you want to highlight one of those, as I've mentioned to you many times - why not create another event to do so rather than relegating the original description to what amounts to an 'honorable mention' category? The more involved the rules became and the more contest-like the event was, the fewer logs came in. The changes speak for themselves. I agree with you, it could be a very big event again - though not through the 'special exception/award' approach. Streamline the rules to focus on the original intent and have, at most, 3 awards: Most unique/interesting big commercial or military vacuum tube station heard, Best homebrew tube station heard, and people's choice for the best sounding tube-based AM signal heard - all supported with photos and logs for publicity purposes (ER, etc). After all, that was the original idea Bill had - to celebrate big tube transmitters of the past and get them back on the air - not to have a contest. Do away with points, multipliers, whatever else. Anyone can participate with any type of gear so long as it is capable of AM. Give a certificate to anyone sending in a log with 25 contacts or more and SASE. Simple. BTW, I hope you don't think I was in any way referring to you about the Class E whining. I know you were respectful in your attempts to change things. I did hear a fairly well-heard New England Class E station get on the air and complain endlessly one night to the point I thought he was going to cry. Lost a lot of respect for him and really got turned off by the whole attitude of a few about something that was merely meant to be a fun on-air gathering for the AM community. This is the kind of nonsense that made its way back to those responsible for the event, in addition to direct attempts to change the event. Regardless - I hope you and others can get on and make some contacts tonight, maybe even have fun without the need to worry about points, winning, or whatever else. In the end, it's really all about getting people on the air so others as well as us can hear and enjoy wonderful AM in action. I'm going out now to listen, just put the little one to bed. Have fun - ~ Todd, KA1KAQ/4 From donroden at hiwaay.net Sun Dec 27 22:04:34 2015 From: donroden at hiwaay.net (donroden at hiwaay.net) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 21:04:34 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Heavy Metal AM Rally In-Reply-To: <248554596.3424588.1451155655630.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <567EDB79.5000603@securespeed.us> <248554596.3424588.1451155655630.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20151227210434.63942yiyffso38oy@webmail.hiwaay.net> Maybe next year when conditions improve. Don W4DNR From k4kyv at charter.net Sun Dec 27 23:23:56 2015 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 22:23:56 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Heavy Metal AM Rally In-Reply-To: <20151227210434.63942yiyffso38oy@webmail.hiwaay.net> References: <567EDB79.5000603@securespeed.us> <248554596.3424588.1451155655630.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <20151227210434.63942yiyffso38oy@webmail.hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <018401d14127$918c5c40$b4a514c0$@charter.net> What with all the bantering ABOUT the Heavy Metal Rally, (unless I missed it) none of the postings here bothered to actually answer the OP's specific question: the time period and date of the event? Don k4kyv From kranny392 at aol.com Sun Dec 27 23:42:00 2015 From: kranny392 at aol.com (Michael) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 23:42:00 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Heavy Metal Night Message-ID: <151e6e49a9a-5217-a453@webprd-m37.mail.aol.com> After being off the air raising a family, one of the first station I heard on the air was Bill KD0HG. Contest or not, I will operate my Heavy Metal this time of the year in honor of him. Happy New Year. Mike K?ARA From ka1kaq at gmail.com Sun Dec 27 23:52:48 2015 From: ka1kaq at gmail.com (Todd, KA1KAQ) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 23:52:48 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Heavy Metal AM Rally In-Reply-To: <018401d14127$918c5c40$b4a514c0$@charter.net> References: <567EDB79.5000603@securespeed.us> <248554596.3424588.1451155655630.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <20151227210434.63942yiyffso38oy@webmail.hiwaay.net> <018401d14127$918c5c40$b4a514c0$@charter.net> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 11:23 PM, Donald Chester wrote: > What with all the bantering ABOUT the Heavy Metal Rally, (unless I missed > it) none of the postings here bothered to actually answer the OP's specific > question: the time period and date of the event? > You missed it. Pete posted it yesterday: > On Saturday, December 26, 2015 2:05 AM, "manualman at juno.com" > wrote: > > > It was listed in November issue of Electric Radio. > Sunday, 12/27/15 > > Pete, wa2cwa Either Pete or someone else also posted 'after dark' as the starting time mentioned. Very little activity, though it has to be rough out in 5 Land. I hear plenty of static crashes here but not terribly loud. Band is fairly quiet but up and down, not very stable. More like 40m. Listened to Robert/W0VMC talking with Brandon/K5IIA, Ted, and a few others on 3.885. Nobody down in the 80m portion. In fact, no signals from 3700 up to 3755, and then only two weak SSB signals between there and 3850. Need to get the 80m aerial back up and the transmitter back on the air. Stinks to only be able to listen. ~ Todd, KA1KAQ/4 From ka1kaq at gmail.com Sun Dec 27 23:57:05 2015 From: ka1kaq at gmail.com (Todd, KA1KAQ) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 23:57:05 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Heavy Metal Night In-Reply-To: <151e6e49a9a-5217-a453@webprd-m37.mail.aol.com> References: <151e6e49a9a-5217-a453@webprd-m37.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Heard you here in NC tonight Mike, along with Ted, Brandon, Robert and a few others. Not strong but perfectly readable, even through the static crashes. Always knew it would be a good night for radio when I could hear Bill's booming voice come rolling in back east. Those 304TLs really burned a hole in the eather. ~ Todd/KAQ On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 11:42 PM, Michael via AMRadio < amradio at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > > After being off the air raising a family, one of the first station I heard > on the air was Bill KD0HG. Contest or not, I will operate my Heavy Metal > this time of the year in honor of him. > > Happy New Year. > Mike > K?ARA > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ka1kaq at gmail.com From ne1s at securespeed.us Mon Dec 28 10:43:38 2015 From: ne1s at securespeed.us (Larry Szendrei) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 10:43:38 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Heavy Metal Rally report from NE1S Message-ID: <568158AA.5080906@securespeed.us> I got on the air at about 8:45 EST for the AWA Sunday PM AM net on 3837 KHz. The net wrapped up around 6PM, at which point I carried on with Tim WA1HLR, who had also checked into the net, for about half an hour. I was then called by KC2UAO, Bill in Brent, NY, who was running a TS-480 into some sort of linear amp. I didn't hang around too long after that as I needed supper, and Bill's signal wasn't real strong and was getting some competition from adjacent SSB stations. After supper, I'd say around 7PM, I tuned up to around 3880 and found a Heavy Metal group in progress with Gerry KC8ZUL "wearing the white coat." I stayed with that group until about 8:30PM local, at which point I hung it up for the evening. I was running my homebrew vacuum-tube PDM transmitter (833A class D modulator and a pair of 7527As in the class C RF PA). Yes, it runs more than 250W and weighs over 250 lbs. My receiver was the old SX-28, antenna was 2 half-waves in phase at about 65' or so. With a few rare exceptions, signals were decent. Here is the list of stations that were in the group while I was in there: KC9QJE Tim, running an RCA BTA 101(?), a 4-1000 modulated by 833s NS8P Clyde, running some ricebox into an amp N8NSN Jim - good signal, especially for feeding an inverted-L KC8ZUL Gerry running a Collins 20V3 WA1HLR Tim running his Viking 1.5 and SX-62 KD8CVY Mike running a Globe King 500A and HQ-129X W9BHI Don running a Gates BC1G into a 43' vertical Wa4JK Jerry (light copy) N8ZBA Dan in Greenwood Township, MI AB9MQ Marsa (?) in Normal, IL running a homebrew class D RF PA with PDM modulator K8GPY Jeff running a 32V2 and SX-32 K9YQQ in Indianapolis running a homebrew pair of GI7Bs modulated by a pair W9JMK Jerry in Norway, WI running a 4-400 modulated by 813s K9GAS Jerry KC9PCP (light copy) W5CZ Rod running a KW-1 and 51J4 KG8LB running only 20W, but good copy Gerry KC8ZUL did a good job of picking up new check-ins and making sure no one was left out. Fun stuff! I'm an early riser and not much of a night-time operator, but these events encourage me to change my habits and I get a chance to talk to people who I usually don't get to. 73, -Larry/NE1S From manualman at juno.com Mon Dec 28 11:24:33 2015 From: manualman at juno.com (manualman at juno.com) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 11:24:33 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Clearing Out Old Manuals - Going To Recycling - Final Update Message-ID: Due to holiday schedules, end of year time off, etc., the manuals designated for recycling will not go until January 5 or 6. So if anyone still wants anything, check the latest PDF update below. And, I don't know where these rumers come from; this is NOT a going out of business sale. Also dealers, resellers, and the "I want to make a quick buck" - types need not apply. REF: On Sun, 6 Dec 2015 11:17:11 -0500 writes: Here in 2015, I found time to go through some more of my file folders and purge the older replications that were done roughly 20 plus years ago and send them all to paper recycling. None of them meet my current quality standards. I decided to post the list and see if anyone wanted this stuff before I send it all off to the recycling center at the end of December or early January. All manual replications, 5 pages, 50 pages, 100 pages, etc. are $1 each(basically time and material) plus shipping. I also purged a number of originals that are excess to my needs. They are also listed separately in the PDF and individually priced. To view the PDF list and the details of procurement, I posted it all on AMFone.net. You don't have to a member to view the list. At the bottom of the blurb, there is a PDF.http://amfone.net/Amforum/index.php?topic=41013.0 Pete, wa2cwa From ne1s at securespeed.us Mon Dec 28 12:20:55 2015 From: ne1s at securespeed.us (Larry Szendrei) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 12:20:55 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Heavy Metal Rally report from NE1S In-Reply-To: <568158AA.5080906@securespeed.us> References: <568158AA.5080906@securespeed.us> Message-ID: <56816F77.9020703@securespeed.us> On 12/28/15 10:43 AM, Larry Szendrei wrote: > I got on the air at about 8:45 EST for the AWA Sunday PM AM net on > 3837 KHz. ... Sorry, that was supposed to read "I got on the air at about *3:45PM* EST..." From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Mon Dec 28 13:46:55 2015 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 12:46:55 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Heavy Metal AM Rally In-Reply-To: References: <567EDB79.5000603@securespeed.us> <248554596.3424588.1451155655630.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <20151227210434.63942yiyffso38oy@webmail.hiwaay.net> <018401d14127$918c5c40$b4a514c0$@charter.net> Message-ID: Glad to read that K5IIA was on the air. Have not heard a peep out of him in a long time. Besides posting here about the HM Rally, be sure to send your accounts of it to Ray. He wants as many reports as possible. Regardless of the HM Rally, every AM operator (in my opinion) should subscribe to ER. It's the only magazine of its kind and deserves our support. When it comes to AM and vintage radio, CQ and QST etc. suck. Their authors even write phrases such as "at one time hams manually tuned the finals of their rigs;" "hams used to run separate transmitters and receivers." As far as they are concerned we don't exist. ER is our magazine. If Ray says participation is down, he ought to pick a date some time like mid January. I am sure many hams are traveling, or taken up with family and other holiday affairs. Frankly, I was nonplussed and disappointed in Ray's choice of a Sunday (not even a Saturday night) when folks with jobs have to work the next day, and only a few days after Christmas. What was he thinking? I was unable to make the Rally because I was traveling. 73 and Happy New Year. Rob K5UJ From manualman at juno.com Mon Dec 28 14:51:00 2015 From: manualman at juno.com (manualman at juno.com) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 14:51:00 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Clearing Out Old Manuals - I fixed the link Message-ID: Sorry for the redundant posts. It was just pointed out to me there is a period directly adjacent to the http link causing it to not function correctly. Here is the corrected link. http://amfone.net/Amforum/index.php?topic=41013.0 From k4kyv at charter.net Mon Dec 28 17:02:11 2015 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 16:02:11 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Heavy Metal AM Rally In-Reply-To: References: <567EDB79.5000603@securespeed.us> <248554596.3424588.1451155655630.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <20151227210434.63942yiyffso38oy@webmail.hiwaay.net> <018401d14127$918c5c40$b4a514c0$@charter.net> Message-ID: <003a01d141bb$67100d10$35302730$@charter.net> Rob K5UJ wrote: > Glad to read that K5IIA was on the air. Have not heard a peep out of him in a long time. I talked with him a couple of nights ago. He was running low power to a temporary antenna, but says he will get his old station back together at the new QTH asap. > AM operator (in my opinion) should subscribe to ER. It's the only magazine of its kind and deserves our support. > When it comes to AM and vintage radio, CQ and QST etc. suck. Their authors even write phrases such as "at one > time hams manually tuned the finals of their rigs;" "hams used to run > separate transmitters and receivers." As far as they are concerned we don't exist. ER is our magazine. That exact same thought has entered my mind. It's as if there are two mutually distinct amateur radio hobbies, like parallel universes: the one you see depicted in QST, CQ and at the indoor displays at Dayton, and hear over the air on SSB, versus the one you see in ER and at the Dayton outdoor flea market, and hear over the air from the homebrew, vintage equipment and converted BC transmitter AM stations. While in the real world there is considerable overlap and many hams dabble in both worlds, someone totally unfamiliar with radio would never know that the other one existed just from looking over or reading articles, editorials and ads in an issue of QST or CQ that one happened to come across in the library or doctor's office waiting room. > If Ray says participation is down, he ought to pick a date some time like mid January. I am sure many hams are traveling, or taken up with family and other holiday affairs. Frankly, I was > nonplussed and disappointed in Ray's choice of a Sunday (not even a Saturday night) when folks with jobs have to work the next day, and only a few days after Christmas I didn't participate this year because I was out for most of the evening and the band was filled with too much QRN and too many pissweakers when I returned and turned on the receiver. I just hope this stormy weather pattern hasn't set in for the season. I know there is a major el ni?o in progress, reportedly perhaps the strongest on record. I recall the strong one in 1982 when the summer static just never quite went away and the bands stayed noisy all fall and winter long. That was the year the west coast was constantly pounded with one pacific storm after another which actually eroded away parts of the California coastal highway. This year N America been blessed with stable atmospheric conditions despite record warm temperatures until this latest outbreak, but we'll have to wait to see what's in store for the rest of the season. Don k4kyv From kb2wig at twcny.rr.com Mon Dec 28 17:59:54 2015 From: kb2wig at twcny.rr.com (kb2wig at twcny.rr.com) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 22:59:54 +0000 Subject: [AMRadio] Heavy Metal Message-ID: <20151228225954.YW70A.240801.root@cdptpa-web01> It would have been nice to see this level of activity before the event. Anyway, in the blizzard of comments, the copyright problem didn't seem to be answered. The term "Fair Use" allows persons other than the copyright holder to cite material, make comments, etc. In my opinion, posting the particulars of the event online would be covered. As someone else pointed out, Ray and ER very probably would not mind. I hope the event does not die off. klc From k4kyv at charter.net Tue Dec 29 01:39:09 2015 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 00:39:09 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Heavy Metal In-Reply-To: <20151228225954.YW70A.240801.root@cdptpa-web01> References: <20151228225954.YW70A.240801.root@cdptpa-web01> Message-ID: <002701d14203$9fc41d20$df4c5760$@charter.net> > Anyway, in the blizzard of comments, the copyright problem didn't seem to be answered. The term "Fair Use" allows persons other than the copyright holder to cite material, > make comments, etc. In my opinion, posting the particulars of the event online would be covered. As someone else pointed out, Ray and ER very probably would not mind. > Klc As you say, regardless, I don't think Ray would mind in any case. IMO someone was being over-paranoid to be afraid that merely passing along the date and time of the HM Rally as published in ER would be a violation of Ray's copyright. For example, if you read a news item in the local newspaper, the publisher might pursue it as a violation of his copyright if you post it verbatim over the internet without his permission, or you make multiple photocopies of the newspaper page and distribute them to the public. But if you read the article, note the specific details of events and re-phrase in your own words a description of facts derived from the original article, whether or not you cite your original source, there would be no grounds for anyone to claim a copyright violation. I recall from my university days those were pretty much the standards to observe when writing a term paper. Radio and TV news journalists report information published in copyrighted books, magazines and newspapers all the time and vice versa, with no worries unless proprietary information not publicly available, such as unpublished trade secrets, is disclosed. Another example would be the schematic of a piece of commercial equipment. The manufacturer could go after you for photocopying the schematic from his owner's manual and re-publishing it, but if you purchase or borrow the physical piece of equipment, trace out your own schematic and publish it or post it on the web, you are merely reporting the findings of your own observation and investigation of a physical fact, not re-publishing copyrighted material. Don k4kyv From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 05:50:50 2015 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 04:50:50 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Heavy Metal AM Rally In-Reply-To: <003a01d141bb$67100d10$35302730$@charter.net> References: <567EDB79.5000603@securespeed.us> <248554596.3424588.1451155655630.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <20151227210434.63942yiyffso38oy@webmail.hiwaay.net> <018401d14127$918c5c40$b4a514c0$@charter.net> <003a01d141bb$67100d10$35302730$@charter.net> Message-ID: I posted a day or two ago: >> If Ray says participation is down, he ought to pick a date some time like > mid January. I am sure many hams are traveling, or taken up with family and > other holiday affairs. Frankly, I was >> nonplussed and disappointed in Ray's choice of a Sunday (not even a > Saturday night) when folks with jobs have to work the next day, and only a > few days after Christmas > I should have also stated to be fair, that organizing an operating event involves some extra work and time and it seems there was a nice turnout, at least here in the East. Have not heard how much activity there was out in the Rockies and points west. Ray should be thanked for keeping the event alive and honoring Bill KD0HG. So, thank you Ray. Also, no matter when you schedule something, someone will piss and moan like I did. One thing I noticed while listening at a friend's QTH (so I _was_ able to participate, just not at the home QTH) was that everyone seemed to pile on to one 75 m. frequency, 3880. Didn't hear a thing on 160, maybe due to the poor band condx, but I wish AM stations had spread out more on 75. That was a big reason I didn't transmit, I didn't want to get in with 30 stations and wait an hour for my turn. 73 Rob K5UJ From ne1s at securespeed.us Wed Dec 30 06:50:46 2015 From: ne1s at securespeed.us (Larry Szendrei) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 06:50:46 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Heavy Metal AM Rally In-Reply-To: References: <567EDB79.5000603@securespeed.us> <248554596.3424588.1451155655630.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <20151227210434.63942yiyffso38oy@webmail.hiwaay.net> <018401d14127$918c5c40$b4a514c0$@charter.net> <003a01d141bb$67100d10$35302730$@charter.net> Message-ID: <5683C516.1090805@securespeed.us> On 12/30/15 5:50 AM, Rob Atkinson wrote: > I should have also stated to be fair, that organizing an operating > event involves some extra work and time and it seems there was a nice > turnout, at least here in the East. Have not heard how much activity > there was out in the Rockies and points west. Ray should be thanked > for keeping the event alive and honoring Bill KD0HG. So, thank you > Ray. Also, no matter when you schedule something, someone will piss > and moan like I did. I wholeheartedly agree. > > One thing I noticed while listening at a friend's QTH (so I _was_ able > to participate, just not at the home QTH) was that everyone seemed to > pile on to one 75 m. frequency, 3880. Didn't hear a thing on 160, > maybe due to the poor band condx, but I wish AM stations had spread > out more on 75. That was a big reason I didn't transmit, I didn't > want to get in with 30 stations and wait an hour for my turn. > > Yes, I noticed that too. As I had said, I started of down on 3837 talking with Tim after the AWA net, and only 2 other stations showed up. I then gave a listen down on 3705, which is usually active with AM activity in the mornings here in the Northeast, but heard nothing, so I didn't bother to re-tune the transmitter down there. I also heard all the activity on 3880 so I joined it. A couple of local guys said they were on 1885 for much of the evening trying to drum up activity, and no one else showed up there. Personally I don't mind a large round table - I mostly enjoy listening to all the stations, and while transmitting is fun, of course, I like the long breaks from it. But it does get unwieldy keeping track of all the check-ins and check-outs. 73, -Larry/NE1S From donroden at hiwaay.net Wed Dec 30 13:19:19 2015 From: donroden at hiwaay.net (donroden at hiwaay.net) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 12:19:19 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Heavy Metal AM Rally In-Reply-To: <5683C516.1090805@securespeed.us> References: <567EDB79.5000603@securespeed.us> <248554596.3424588.1451155655630.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <20151227210434.63942yiyffso38oy@webmail.hiwaay.net> <018401d14127$918c5c40$b4a514c0$@charter.net> <003a01d141bb$67100d10$35302730$@charter.net> <5683C516.1090805@securespeed.us> Message-ID: <20151230121919.18123hs5i0po9rmv@webmail.hiwaay.net> >> One thing I noticed while listening at a friend's QTH (so I _was_ able >> to participate, just not at the home QTH) was that everyone seemed to >> pile on to one 75 m. frequency, 3880. Some of these "Heavy Metal" rigs are single channel ( crystal ). Most park on 3880 or if they are lucky, they have a second crystal on 3885. For some of us, an efficient 160 meter antenna is a stretch, but I'm going to make an effort next year to get some form of 160 meter antenna up in the air. Keeping an event or net going is really difficult .... I can't seem to remember if it's the second, third, or forth Saturday or Sunday of the month. But we don't need to let these events die. Don W4DNR

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