[AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 143, Issue 6


Jay Walker jay.walker.voiceover at gmail.com
Sun Dec 20 06:09:39 EST 2015


Years ago and I'm talking decades, eBay was a fairly reasonable place to
buy 'can't find it got to have it' rigs. I've seen some wild shilling
and bid wars over the years so I'm not surprised by the Viking listing.

At one time there was the 'legendary' seller known as 'Radiomart' who had
one of the worst reputations on eBay. If you want to kill an afternoon
Google his name and be prepared to sit a spell reading the many forums
discussing his practices.

I tell any new ham/collector to remember eBay is an auction, and when you
'win' an item, you paid the highest price in the world' at the time of the
auction. Also 'works' is a very relative term on eBay as it can mean
anything from 'the dial lights work and it doesn't blow fire' to 'works at
factory specs'. Usually the 'blows fire' definition is what you find..

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>    1. Re: Viking 1 (Rob Atkinson)
>    2. Re: Viking 1 (Ken)
>    3. Re: Viking 1 (Jack)
>    4. Re: Viking 1 (CL in NC)
>    5. Re: Viking 1 (Rob Atkinson)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:00:15 -0600
> From: Rob Atkinson <ranchorobbo at gmail.com>
> To: Jack <JM at d8alus.net>
> Cc: Ken <ken at wa0sbu.com>, Jim Tonne <Tonne at comcast.net>,        Discussion
>         of AM Radio in the Amateur Service <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Viking 1
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> I bet when this thing is over, whoever is on the hook for $1300+ will
> back out and we'll be seeing that Viking 1 for sale again.
>
> Yes, I have also seen the $3000 Viking 2?  Someone who has no idea
> what they are doing.  It is one of what I call the eBay zombies.  They
> are on there, sometimes for years.  The $4500 Comet Pro is an example.
>   Another one was the T50 mounted in a rack for something like $700.
>
> Rob
> K5UJ
>
> On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 4:59 PM, Jack <JM at d8alus.net> wrote:
> > Because A) it is contrary to EBay rules, and B) because his only intent
> is
> > to drive the price up artificially. He does not have to pay for it. The
> only
> > requirement is that the seller pays EBay's fee.
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 20:12:38 -0600
> From: Ken <ken at wa0sbu.com>
> To: Jack <JM at D8ALUS.NET>
> Cc: 'Jim Tonne' <Tonne at Comcast.net>, amradio at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Viking 1
> Message-ID: <1450577558.4414.2.camel at ken-Latitude-D630>
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> Yes, he has to pay for it.
>
>
> On Sat, 2015-12-19 at 17:59 -0500, Jack wrote:
> > Because A) it is contrary to EBay rules, and B) because his only intent
> is
> > to drive the price up artificially. He does not have to pay for it. The
> only
> > requirement is that the seller pays EBay's fee.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AMRadio [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken
> > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 5:55 PM
> > To: Jim Tonne <Tonne at Comcast.net>
> > Cc: amradio at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Viking 1
> >
> > Jim;
> >    Why would he be blacklisted?  Can't his buddy bid on it?  If he wins,
> he
> > still has to pay for it.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > On Sat, 2015-12-19 at 16:23 -0500, Jim Tonne wrote:
> > > If that is the case I would bet it is the seller's buddy and if that
> > > is the case and if Ebay finds out the seller will be black-listed.
> > >
> > > - Jim W4ENE
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 12/19/2015 4:17 PM, w5jo at brightok.net wrote:
> > > > Not only is the price strange but look at the bids. The same guy has
> > > > repeatedly bid it up.  I think if I placed a bid it would show then
> > > > the up bid by the other guy.  The guy who is winning started bidding
> > > > at 320, doubled that amount then took it all the way to the present
> > > > price.
> > > >
> > > > I can not explain what is going on, maybe someone who uses eBay
> > > > regularly can.
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> > > > W5JO
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > why are people bidding up at $1300 for a Viking 1.
> > > >
> > > > It is a nice looking one, but still, thirteen hundred bucks? I've
> > > > seen nice looking V1s go for $200 to $250 with the 122 and D104
> > > > included.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Johnson-Viking-1-Ham-Radio-Transmitter-/2014
> > > > 84288528
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Must be the Holiday season or something.  At least it is kind of
> > > > entertaining.
> > > >
> > > > Rob
> > > > K5UJ
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 21:43:29 -0500
> From: "Jack" <JM at D8ALUS.NET>
> To: "'Ken'" <ken at wa0sbu.com>
> Cc: <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Viking 1
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> It is called a 'shill buyer'. Either the buyer himself creates a second
> (or third, fourth, fifth) ID and bids up the price, or has a friend submit
> the price-increasing bids on his behalf. The hope is that someone else will
> also keep bidding and will win the auction. In either case, the shill
> bidder does not really pay anything. The seller still owes EBay their pound
> of flesh, but nobody actually gets paid for the goods or is there a
> transfer of ownership.
>
> It was much easier to see this type of activity before EBay chose to hide
> bidder IDs several years ago. Now we can see a pattern that suggests a
> shill is in action, but can't be sure.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken [mailto:ken at wa0sbu.com]
> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 9:13 PM
> To: Jack <JM at D8ALUS.NET>
> Cc: 'Jim Tonne' <Tonne at Comcast.net>; amradio at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Viking 1
>
> Yes, he has to pay for it.
>
>
> On Sat, 2015-12-19 at 17:59 -0500, Jack wrote:
> > Because A) it is contrary to EBay rules, and B) because his only
> > intent is to drive the price up artificially. He does not have to pay
> > for it. The only requirement is that the seller pays EBay's fee.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AMRadio [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> > Ken
> > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 5:55 PM
> > To: Jim Tonne <Tonne at Comcast.net>
> > Cc: amradio at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Viking 1
> >
> > Jim;
> >    Why would he be blacklisted?  Can't his buddy bid on it?  If he
> > wins, he still has to pay for it.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > On Sat, 2015-12-19 at 16:23 -0500, Jim Tonne wrote:
> > > If that is the case I would bet it is the seller's buddy and if that
> > > is the case and if Ebay finds out the seller will be black-listed.
> > >
> > > - Jim W4ENE
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 12/19/2015 4:17 PM, w5jo at brightok.net wrote:
> > > > Not only is the price strange but look at the bids. The same guy
> > > > has repeatedly bid it up.  I think if I placed a bid it would show
> > > > then the up bid by the other guy.  The guy who is winning started
> > > > bidding at 320, doubled that amount then took it all the way to
> > > > the present price.
> > > >
> > > > I can not explain what is going on, maybe someone who uses eBay
> > > > regularly can.
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> > > > W5JO
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > why are people bidding up at $1300 for a Viking 1.
> > > >
> > > > It is a nice looking one, but still, thirteen hundred bucks? I've
> > > > seen nice looking V1s go for $200 to $250 with the 122 and D104
> > > > included.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Johnson-Viking-1-Ham-Radio-Transmitter-/20
> > > > 14
> > > > 84288528
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Must be the Holiday season or something.  At least it is kind of
> > > > entertaining.
> > > >
> > > > Rob
> > > > K5UJ
> > >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 05:02:45 +0000 (UTC)
> From: CL in NC <mjcal77 at yahoo.com>
> To: <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Viking 1
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> I missed the bidder ID in my earlier comment,  h***u with his high bid
> triggered the bidder n***u autobid up to 1300.  He must really want that
> Viking 1, hope he enjoys it.
>
> Charlie, W4MEC in NC
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 04:53:30 -0600
> From: Rob Atkinson <ranchorobbo at gmail.com>
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> The problem with this is that if this thing really sold to a non-shill
> for $1300, then every estate buyer/liquidator who gets an old ham rig
> and searches for old listings will see that:
>
> "One of these things sold for THIRTEEN HUNDRED DOLLARS!!!"
>
> and no regular ham AM rig will ever be reasonably priced by non-hams
> again, at least not for the next 12 months or so.  I've never bought a
> rig on eBay, but  hams in QTHs where there are no hamfests or one per
> year, may have a problem.
>
> Rob
> K5UJ
>
> On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 11:02 PM, CL in NC via AMRadio
> <amradio at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> > I missed the bidder ID in my earlier comment,  h***u with his high bid
> triggered the bidder n***u autobid up to 1300.  He must really want that
> Viking 1, hope he enjoys it.
>
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