From ars.w5omr at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 13:39:59 2015 From: ars.w5omr at gmail.com (Geoff) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 12:39:59 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] [BC] AM Transmitters Free If You Haul Them Away In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <559425EF.6050805@gmail.com> On 06/30/2015 09:32 PM, Rob Atkinson wrote: > I am glad you wrote 375 watts. If I found you using it at 375.1 watts > I'd turn you in to the FCC. > > Me, I might have knocked it down 10 dB. On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 5:57 PM, wrote: >> I am too late, was attempting to figure out how to run a 10KW transmitter at >> 375 watts. Thanks anyway. Of course, y'all know that the legal limit is 1,500w PEP output. That said, you could reverse the phase on the modulators, run the carrier up ~650w or so watts and still only get 1,500w PEP output. Even still, that's only ~3db stronger than a 350/375 carrier... and the audio wouldn't sound 'as loud', but the average hammy-type operator probably couldn't tell the difference... From ka4koe at comcast.net Thu Jul 2 22:39:53 2015 From: ka4koe at comcast.net (ka4koe at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 02:39:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] [BC] AM Transmitters Free If You Haul Them Away In-Reply-To: <559425EF.6050805@gmail.com> References: <559425EF.6050805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <166587043.4656891.1435891193225.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Station owner (not engineer - he's cool) reneged on 1/2 of the deal and refused to part with the CCA unless BIG money was exchanged. I won't bore you with the details, but if the TX comes up again, steer clear like the place is infected with the plague. Bad news all around. The ITA was hauled off, however, so my friend's trip was not a complete loss. PAN KA4KOE From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 10:23:29 2015 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 09:23:29 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] [BC] AM Transmitters Free If You Haul Them Away In-Reply-To: <166587043.4656891.1435891193225.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <559425EF.6050805@gmail.com> <166587043.4656891.1435891193225.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: This kind of thing happens. I'd say he was lucky to get the 1 KW rig for free. What has changed is that AM broadcast stations are under increasingly dire financial stress as revenue dries up so owners are trying to get cash any way they can. Back 20 years ago many let tube rigs go for free just to get rid of them but now they see money anywhere they look. That isn't always the case but it is becoming more frequent. Something similar is happening on eBay with EFJ gear like Navigators going for $700 (a Ranger minus the audio) and a beat up Viking 500 for $1600. Heck there's a cheap looking plastic Sony shortwave receiver on there now for over $1000! (item 131542646984) And R390As are going for insane money. Wanting money for an AM broadcast rig now may be partly due to the resurgent interest in ham AM. There's an upside and downside to everything in life. 73 Rob K5UJ On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 9:39 PM, wrote: > Station owner (not engineer - he's cool) reneged on 1/2 of the deal and refused to part with the CCA unless BIG money was exchanged. I won't bore you with the details, but if the TX comes up again, steer clear like the place is infected with the plague. Bad news all around. The ITA was hauled off, however, so my friend's trip was not a complete loss. > From k4kyv at charter.net Fri Jul 3 11:09:41 2015 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 10:09:41 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] AM Transmitters Free If You Haul Them Away Message-ID: <001201d0b5a2$49cf82d0$dd6e8870$@charter.net> I think the ITA was the better deal and well worth the trip, but the big one probably had some nice parts for someone with the means for hauling it and a place to store it. You shouldn't ever have to worry about blowing the modulation transformer! I was in touch with the person who got the transmitter. At first they wanted big money for the ITA as well, but he talked the senior owner into letting him have it as promised, after he had made the hour and a half trip in a big truck to pick up the stuff, based on the offer posted by the engineer and his initial conversation with the owners. He said this apparently was the straw that broke the camel's back with the engineer, who handed in his resignation the same day. They should have offered to pay him to haul the stuff away, which is probably what they'll end up having to pay someone to do. And while we're on the subject, there is no mention of "375 watts" anywhere in Part 97. Besides, if the FCC can't do (or more likely refuses to do) anything about the blatant violators of Part 15 RFI rules, who trash the MF and HF amateur and broadcast spectrum with harmful interference from power line noise, plasma TV and digital hash, or 75m and 40m jammers who intentionally dump digital SSTV on top of AM QSOs, who's going to worry about some AMer's occasional voice peak? Don k4kyv -----Original Message----- From: ka4koe at comcast.net Station owner (not engineer - he's cool) reneged on 1/2 of the deal and refused to part with the CCA unless BIG money was exchanged. I won't bore you with the details, but if the TX comes up again, steer clear like the place is infected with the plague. Bad news all around. The ITA was hauled off, however, so my friend's trip was not a complete loss. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From paul at paulbaldock.com Fri Jul 3 13:35:37 2015 From: paul at paulbaldock.com (Paul Baldock) Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 10:35:37 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] [Johnson] FOR SALE :Johnson Viking Valiant Message-ID: FOR SALE :Johnson Viking Valiant. Very good condition. Serial No 27056. Various audio and power supply modifications for improved modulation, which could quickly be reversed if you want it original. Well documented. On the air regularly $700 plus cost of Shipping and Insurance. Cash if in person (WA 98282). PayPal or USPS Money Order if shipped. Tubes will be removed, labeled and shipped in a separately Paul - KW7Y --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Johnson mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/johnson Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Johnson at mailman.qth.net Message delivered to paul at paulbaldock.com This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 14:07:42 2015 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 13:07:42 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] AM Transmitters Free If You Haul Them Away In-Reply-To: <001201d0b5a2$49cf82d0$dd6e8870$@charter.net> References: <001201d0b5a2$49cf82d0$dd6e8870$@charter.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Donald Chester wrote: > I think the ITA was the better deal and well worth the trip, > I looked at the sales brochure on-line just now. That looks like a nice 1 KW rig considering it was one of the later tube rigs in the pre-solid state days. Reminds me of the Sparta/Bauer rigs but with 4-400As > They should have offered to pay him > to haul the stuff away, which is probably what they'll end up having to pay > someone to do. > The mentality of some people is "If I can't get money for it, no one is going to get it" and they take sledge hammers to it. Rob K5UJ From blimpboy at sonic.net Thu Jul 9 17:21:21 2015 From: blimpboy at sonic.net (blimpy) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 14:21:21 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] Clegg Zeus and Interceptor Parts Needed Message-ID: <880B2E33AA3A478196C00EDBE73951CF@larryPC> My Clegg Zeus is on the bench for overhaul now. 1.) The 2M Swinging Link ( loading control) is missing. I need pictures of the original, with dimensions for the link coil - to fabricate new ones ... or the original parts from a damaged donor transmitter. 2. RF Deck Bottom cover and the Final Amplifier Compartment Cover are missing. I plan to fabricate new ones unless the originals magically appear. Again, a pic of the correct P.A. cover would let me chose the right material to make it out of. 3. My spare Interceptor Receiver has a bad power transformer. I am looking for an original from a donor Interceptor. 73 Larry W6WUH Occidental, CaL CM-88 I'm good in QRZ no political, religious, or economic email, links, or blogs please. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11916 (20150709) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From k4kyv at charter.net Tue Jul 14 15:46:06 2015 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 14:46:06 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] I get the last laugh after all. Message-ID: <001001d0be6d$b9dd38a0$2d97a9e0$@charter.net> For those who derided my efforts to spread the word and correct misinformation while the comment period for the FCC's 1900-2000 kHz NPRM was open, I feel vindicated. Although a number of hams did submit thoughtful comments on the topic, I was disappointed in the amateur community's overall response. Practically zero interest was shown on popular amateur radio discussions boards, even those claiming to be dedicated to AM and vintage radio. This should have been of particular interest to AMers since much of our AM activity occurs on this band. The topic was sparsely mentioned even on Topband Reflector, where the discussions remained concentrated on contesting and DX. Nevertheless, our efforts apparently weren't wasted, since the Commission's R & O repeatedly cited comments submitted by several members of the AM community, including my own, in their footnotes. The FCC approved the proposal and it goes into effect in just a few days. Note: You may need to manually copy and paste the entire link into your browser; this reflector's software tends to truncate longer URLs by a random line break, ignoring the second line. http://www.arrl.org/news/amateur-radio-becomes-primary-on-1900-2000-khz-on-a ugust-6 http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/comment/view;ECFSSESSION=T54lVlZL5PGspKhGqwn1x2XVSH CtVS23WRZ1T8TKL2GhkTF1m9RQ!-774309124!-1954627099?id=60001030136 Scroll down to paragraphs 30 through 44, beginning on page 15. Don k4kyv --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From rbethman at comcast.net Tue Jul 14 16:50:08 2015 From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 16:50:08 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] I get the last laugh after all. (So do a few others!) In-Reply-To: <001001d0be6d$b9dd38a0$2d97a9e0$@charter.net> References: <001001d0be6d$b9dd38a0$2d97a9e0$@charter.net> Message-ID: <55A57600.5070409@comcast.net> Gentlemen: Please note that indeed I am one of the 43 Amateurs that took the effort to submit comment. While it really wasn't brought up on "popular" discussion boards to any degree, there were those of us that indeed submitted comment and made our voices heard clearly through the written word. I can't say that I will have equipment to operate there. That being said, I wanted to support the effort to get us on that segment. Now if only Kenwood and other manufacturer's would come up with modifications to allow these strangled by firmware radios, to use this newly allocated segment. I would really like to have the means to operate on the LF segment being proposed and open for comment. However, I do not believe that I would ever have the space for such an antenna. Congratulations to Don Chester, and all those named in footnote 89 on the bottom of page 16 of FCC-15-50A1! It takes those with courage in their convictions to speak up and submit comment. Now to look at the next Request for Comment! Regards to the AM folks that made time. Bob - N0DGN On 7/14/2015 3:46 PM, Donald Chester wrote: > For those who derided my efforts to spread the word and correct > misinformation while the comment period for the FCC's 1900-2000 kHz NPRM was open, I feel vindicated. > > Although a number of hams did submit thoughtful comments on the topic, I was > disappointed in the amateur community's overall response. Practically zero > interest was shown on popular amateur radio discussions boards, even those > claiming to be dedicated to AM and vintage radio. This should have been of > particular interest to AMers since much of our AM activity occurs on this > band. The topic was sparsely mentioned even on Topband Reflector, where the > discussions remained concentrated on contesting and DX. Nevertheless, our > efforts apparently weren't wasted, since the Commission's R & O repeatedly > cited comments submitted by several members of the AM community, including > my own, in their footnotes. > > The FCC approved the proposal and it goes into effect in just a few days. > > Note: You may need to manually copy and paste the entire link into your > browser; this reflector's software tends to truncate longer URLs by a random > line break, ignoring the second line. > > > > > CtVS23WRZ1T8TKL2GhkTF1m9RQ!-774309124!-1954627099?id=60001030136> > > Scroll down to paragraphs 30 through 44, beginning on page 15. > > Don k4kyv From rbethman at comcast.net Wed Jul 15 16:39:29 2015 From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 16:39:29 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Question for group Message-ID: <55A6C501.3080707@comcast.net> Has anyone ordered the Chinese frequency counter, PLJ-0802? If so, has anyone documentation in English? Regards, Bob N0DGN From rbethman at comcast.net Wed Jul 15 17:04:43 2015 From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 17:04:43 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Question for group In-Reply-To: <2699A641-95BC-4C7B-A29F-613A97A0B111@tx.rr.com> References: <55A6C529.5050504@comcast.net> <2699A641-95BC-4C7B-A29F-613A97A0B111@tx.rr.com> Message-ID: <55A6CAEB.3060402@comcast.net> ALL, The actual issue covers not being able to read Chinese, so I do not even know the input Z! It is a bit difficult to make or use existing probes. This goes from 1 MHz to 1200MHz. My much older counter only goes up to 80MHz. So this is a welcome addition! Regards, Bob - N0DGN From amradio at mailman.qth.net Wed Jul 15 17:40:32 2015 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (Bill Guyger via AMRadio) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 16:40:32 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Question for group In-Reply-To: <55A6CAEB.3060402@comcast.net> References: <55A6C529.5050504@comcast.net> <2699A641-95BC-4C7B-A29F-613A97A0B111@tx.rr.com> <55A6CAEB.3060402@comcast.net> Message-ID: <33161B9D-7EE6-4FBD-B134-BA36CD4383E1@yahoo.com> Did you find this unit on the Internet? Might there be some specs on the website that are in Engrish? FWIW the absolute worst example of Chinese to English EVER was on the instructions for a keyboard instrument a friend had. For those of you familiar with electric pianos etc. you know that you lay the instrument on its side screw in the legs and stand it up. The instructions for this thing said "F... the legs into the base". My friend framed the sheet and had it on the wall of his studio. Bill AD5OL Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 15, 2015, at 4:04 PM, rbethman wrote: > > ALL, > > The actual issue covers not being able to read Chinese, so I do not even know the input Z! > > It is a bit difficult to make or use existing probes. > > This goes from 1 MHz to 1200MHz. > > My much older counter only goes up to 80MHz. > > So this is a welcome addition! > > Regards, Bob - N0DGN > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From w5jo at brightok.net Sat Jul 18 15:08:33 2015 From: w5jo at brightok.net (Jim Wilhite) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 14:08:33 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Interconnect cable Message-ID: <9A5AC4FE02E64859835366502640F350@JimPC> Many years back I had a Collins set up, a 32S1, 75S2A and the 30S1. I recall reading somewhere to use a piece of RG 58 between the exciter and amplifier of a specific length. Can someone verify that for me and the length of cable? Jim W5JO From w5jo at brightok.net Sat Jul 18 16:11:12 2015 From: w5jo at brightok.net (Jim Wilhite) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 15:11:12 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Interconnect cable In-Reply-To: <004701d0c18d$f75840d0$e608c270$@embarqmail.com> References: <9A5AC4FE02E64859835366502640F350@JimPC> <004701d0c18d$f75840d0$e608c270$@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <4BC7E306134644AEB134A6E36E4B6EF4@JimPC> Thanks guys. Jim W5JO From rbethman at comcast.net Mon Jul 20 16:34:03 2015 From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 16:34:03 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] OT - Question about plexiglass Message-ID: <55AD5B3B.9040309@comcast.net> ALL, My Granddaughter's radio is almost finished. I'd like to make a plexiglass box to go over it. What sort of adhesive/glue is used to do this? Regards, Bob - N0DGN From w4wsz at embarqmail.com Mon Jul 20 17:22:17 2015 From: w4wsz at embarqmail.com (Bob. W4WSZ) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 17:22:17 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Behringer Mixer Message-ID: <001801d0c332$28281140$787833c0$@embarqmail.com> Is anyone in the group using a Behringer Mixer ? If so, how did you handle the 130 ohm output into a hi impedance mike input on the transmitter ? Tried transformers but still lousy audio Thanks, Bob --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From amradio at mailman.qth.net Mon Jul 20 17:24:29 2015 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (Mel Farrer via AMRadio) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 21:24:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] OT - Question about plexiglass In-Reply-To: <55AD5B3B.9040309@comcast.net> References: <55AD5B3B.9040309@comcast.net> Message-ID: <393233104.1182085.1437427469285.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Check with TAP Plastics. TAP Plastics : TAP Plastics | ? | | ? | | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | | TAP Plastics : TAP PlasticsProvider of acrylic, polycarbonate, HDPE, Starboard, ABS, PVC, cut-to-size plastic, plastic sheets, rods and tubes, epoxy & polyester resins, gel coat, fiberglass, ... | | | | View on www.tapplastics.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | ? | Mel, K6KBE From: rbethman To: AM Radio List Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 1:34 PM Subject: [AMRadio] OT - Question about plexiglass ALL, My Granddaughter's radio is almost finished. I'd like to make a plexiglass box to go over it. What sort of adhesive/glue is used to do this? Regards, Bob - N0DGN ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From n5yey at live.com Mon Jul 20 17:32:36 2015 From: n5yey at live.com (mark depaepe) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 16:32:36 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Behringer Mixer In-Reply-To: <001801d0c332$28281140$787833c0$@embarqmail.com> References: <001801d0c332$28281140$787833c0$@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: I have a Behringer 802A and B1 condenser mic and MDX2600 processor that I have used on my Collins 75a2, Johnson Viking II, Ranger 1, Gonset G-76, and probably a few others. I came straight out of the mixer into the mic jack of the transmitters with no problems. I had a problem once, I was talking to Tracy W5TMG and he said Mark, I keep hearing echo while you are talking. The funny echo turned out to be the front of the mic was facing the window behind the transmitter, so the mic received my forward wave and the window's reflected wave. It was early in the morning and the cat had knocked over the mic and I did not realize it was backwards to me! But other than that it all worked fine. I used XLR input on the mixer from the mic, 1/4 inch cables for the inter connects, and a piece of shielded wire for audio to the transmitter. Mark Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 20, 2015, at 4:22 PM, Bob. W4WSZ wrote: > > Is anyone in the group using a Behringer Mixer ? If so, how did you handle > the 130 ohm output into a hi impedance mike input on the transmitter ? > > > > Tried transformers but still lousy audio > > > > Thanks, > > Bob > > > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n5yey at live.com From manualman at juno.com Mon Jul 20 17:36:26 2015 From: manualman at juno.com (manualman at juno.com) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 17:36:26 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Behringer Mixer Message-ID: Do you have great audio without the mixer? What transmitter? Pete ,wa2cwa On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 17:22:17 -0400 "Bob. W4WSZ" writes: > Is anyone in the group using a Behringer Mixer ? If so, how did you > handle > the 130 ohm output into a hi impedance mike input on the transmitter > ? > > > > Tried transformers but still lousy audio > > > > Thanks, > > Bob > From k4kyv at charter.net Mon Jul 20 21:10:06 2015 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 20:10:06 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] I get the last laugh after all. (So do a few others!) Message-ID: <001201d0c351$fafdf8e0$f0f9eaa0$@charter.net> > Please note that indeed I am one of the 43 Amateurs that took the effort to submit comment. > While it really wasn't brought up on "popular" discussion boards to any degree, there were those > of us that indeed submitted comment and made our voices heard clearly through the written word. > I can't say that I will have equipment to operate there. > Bob - N0DGN Just to clarify, the new MF and LF segments proposal was included in the same rulemaking proceeding as the 160M proposal. These were only a small part of an omnibus FCC proposal that included a long list of items, most of which were unrelated to amateur radio. The 160m decision doesn't affect our current use of the band in any way. We already had access to the full 1800-2000 segment and all the known radiolocation beacons went silent years ago. Primary status across the entire band merely reduces the likelihood that some future radiolocation service might be assigned to frequencies in the band. With the added security that our frequency assignment on 160m will remain intact, more hams might consider putting up antennas and setting up stations to operate in the band. One unfortunate change the FCC included was to make the renegade fishnet beacons operating in international waters inside the 160m band totally legal. For the most part, their interference to 160m amateur operation has been minimal, but I have heard complaints that they indeed do sometimes cause harmful interference to hams in coastal areas. There is no reason why they couldn't simply be moved to the remaining radiolocation segment 1710 - 1800 kHz, between the expanded AM broadcast band and the ham band, since the beacons that once packed that segment have likewise all gone dark, and now no beacon signals, or signals of any kind for that matter, are normally heard anywhere in that segment of frequencies. The fishnet beacon transmitters are controlled by frequency synthesis, so their operating frequencies could easily be re-set and output tuning slightly tweaked, probably in just a few minutes. Don k4kyv --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From rbethman at comcast.net Mon Jul 20 21:54:37 2015 From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 21:54:37 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] I get the last laugh after all. (So do a few others!) In-Reply-To: <001201d0c351$fafdf8e0$f0f9eaa0$@charter.net> References: <001201d0c351$fafdf8e0$f0f9eaa0$@charter.net> Message-ID: <55ADA65D.3020700@comcast.net> Don, I agree that there was much more detail. Getting what we did get as Primary, is good. I'll have to bone up and submit a more formal comment as you did. That was an excellent done comment! I haven't done formal documents or papers since 2002. I've gotten a bit rusty and perhaps lazy. The fishing beacons are an issue that is disturbing to a degree. Loran went the way of the DoDo bird! I imagine that the fishing beacons will also over time. I really should have looked further into the MW regions that are in the second half of the ruling. Especially since I've taken an interest there. I'd have to get some serious height with a dish and feed horn to really participate. There always seems to be something else to try out. Regards, Bob - N0DGN On 7/20/2015 9:10 PM, Donald Chester wrote: > Just to clarify, the new MF and LF segments proposal was included in the > same rulemaking proceeding as the 160M proposal. These were only a small > part of an omnibus FCC proposal that included a long list of items, most of > which were unrelated to amateur radio. > > The 160m decision doesn't affect our current use of the band in any way. We > already had access to the full 1800-2000 segment and all the known > radiolocation beacons went silent years ago. Primary status across the > entire band merely reduces the likelihood that some future radiolocation > service might be assigned to frequencies in the band. With the added > security that our frequency assignment on 160m will remain intact, more hams > might consider putting up antennas and setting up stations to operate in the > band. > > One unfortunate change the FCC included was to make the renegade fishnet > beacons operating in international waters inside the 160m band totally > legal. For the most part, their interference to 160m amateur operation has > been minimal, but I have heard complaints that they indeed do sometimes > cause harmful interference to hams in coastal areas. There is no reason why > they couldn't simply be moved to the remaining radiolocation segment 1710 - > 1800 kHz, between the expanded AM broadcast band and the ham band, since the > beacons that once packed that segment have likewise all gone dark, and now > no beacon signals, or signals of any kind for that matter, are normally > heard anywhere in that segment of frequencies. The fishnet beacon > transmitters are controlled by frequency synthesis, so their operating > frequencies could easily be re-set and output tuning slightly tweaked, > probably in just a few minutes. > > > Don k4kyv > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rbethman at comcast.net > From blimpboy at sonic.net Tue Jul 21 10:09:51 2015 From: blimpboy at sonic.net (blimpy) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 07:09:51 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] Plexiglass Glue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1C8F1C89C94B464C97F096EFEFD1A741@larryPC> Tap Plastic sells glue specific to plexiglass... which will also bond to metal: Scigrip 16 Fast Set for Acrylics. Weldon is the company working time 5-6 minutes ( open time) fixture time 10 minutes ( clamping time ) 80% strength 24 hours $8 for a LARGE tube Stinky glorified airplane glue. I made plastic clip board for my small Samsun pad, with spring clips, using this glue. Very strong joints which have stood up to being in and out of the flight bag, on and off the panel of the airplane, and the pad in and out of the holder repeatedly for couple of years. Should work perfectly for your project. BTW... lexan is bullet proof, but scratches more easily than plexiglass. W6WUH - Larry CM-88 no political, religious, or economic email, links, or blogs please. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11970 (20150720) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From blimpboy at sonic.net Tue Jul 21 10:21:03 2015 From: blimpboy at sonic.net (blimpy) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 07:21:03 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] FCC dumb and dumber In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Repurposing the 500 kc beacon band was just plain stupid, IMHO. We are proceding in the world as if Satellites and Microwave reliance are going to last forever, and that ultra high tech systems that depend entirely on complex LSI computer chip factories will also. Having spent a good deal of my life navigating boats, ships, and aircraft, I am here to say that dirt simple, reliable systems are usually the last ones to fail, and the first ones to be fixed again. I suppose we can vaccum up as much LF spectrum as becomes available... but whether there is any will to use it... who knows ? If AM broadcasting wasn't self destructing... they would have gobbled our 160 allocation, which is little used. -- As to waving the wand of legitimacy at illegal fishing industry becons.. What do you expect from a largely somnambulent , incompetant, and politically corrupt FCC ? W6WUH no political, religious, or economic email, links, or blogs please. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 11974 (20150721) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From w4wsz at embarqmail.com Tue Jul 21 11:51:44 2015 From: w4wsz at embarqmail.com (Bob. W4WSZ) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 11:51:44 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Mike Connector Needed Message-ID: <002401d0c3cd$26d17e80$74747b80$@embarqmail.com> I am looking for one or two 80-MC2M 2 Pin Off Set Microphone Connector for Johnson Transmitters Thanks, Bob --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From w4wsz at embarqmail.com Tue Jul 21 12:18:38 2015 From: w4wsz at embarqmail.com (Bob. W4WSZ) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 12:18:38 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Mike Connector UPDATE Message-ID: <003401d0c3d0$e7573390$b6059ab0$@embarqmail.com> I would prefer to purchase these from hams and not go the commercial route. I know they are available on ebay and supply houses.....this way we help each other. 80-MC2M 2 Pin Off Set Microphone Connector for Johnson Transmitters --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From rbethman at comcast.net Tue Jul 21 12:43:33 2015 From: rbethman at comcast.net (rbethman) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 12:43:33 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] plexiglass adhesive Message-ID: <55AE76B5.4040908@comcast.net> ALL, I'm ordering the Plasticote acrylic glue. Regards, Bob - N0DGN From k4kyv at charter.net Fri Jul 24 22:25:22 2015 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 21:25:22 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] ARRL Prepares Rule Making Petition to FCC, Requesting Reduction of 75m Phone Band Message-ID: <004201d0c681$28c19340$7a44b9c0$@charter.net> The ARRL freaked out when the FCC expanded the phone band down to 3600 kHz. Now the Board has given a go-ahead for a rulemaking petition to trim the phone allocation back to 3650-4000. >From ARRL Website: >>>Rule Making Petition to FCC The Board also authorized the preparation of a rule making petition to the FCC, seeking changes in the 80 and 75 meter bands that are consistent with majority opinion among more than 1000 responses to an online membership survey. The petition would seek to shift the boundary between the 80 meter RTTY/data subband and the 75 meter phone/image subband from 3600 to 3650 kHz. It also would restore privileges in the 3600-3650 kHz segment to Advanced, General, Technician, and Novice licensees. In addition, the League will ask the FCC to shift the automatically controlled digital station (ACDS) band segment from 3585-3600 kHz to 3600-3615 kHz, consistent with the IARU Region 1 and Region 2 band plans, and authorize Technician and Novice licensees to use RTTY/data emissions in their 15 and 80 meter band segments, the latter contingent on expansion of the 80 meter band.>>> http://www.arrl.org/news/arrl-board-approves-dues-hike-hf-band-plan-2016-nat ional-parks-centennial-event I would urge all phone operators to keep a close eye on this one. We need to discuss the issue over the air, on internet forums, at club meetings, etc., and most importantly, file our opinions in comments to the FCC once the petition is submitted and assigned an RM- number. "It also would restore privileges in the 3600-3650 kHz segment to Advanced, General, Technician, and Novice licensees." I believe we could live with that. In my opinion, one of the mistakes the FCC made in the original expansion was to restrict such a large swathe of frequencies to Extra Class. But let's hope the FCC will reject the proposal to move the sub-band boundary. One thing going in our favour in this whole matter is that the FCC seldom reverses recently-made rulemaking decisions, something that would leave the impression that their initial ruling was in error and thus their wisdom not infinite. Eliminating the Extra Class-only restriction in this segment would allay the oft-heard complaint that the phone band expansion "took frequencies away" from the CW operators. No CW privileges were lost. CW is allowed on all amateur frequencies in the entire radio spectrum (except for some of the "channels" in the 60m band). The provision that keeps many CW operators from using the 3600-3650 segment is that it is accessible only to Extra Class licensees. Moreover, RTTY/data privileges could be extended to this segment WITHOUT prohibiting phone operation. Mixed mode phone, CW, RTTY and data have operated in the 160m band for decades with little difficulty or conflict; there is no reason this couldn't work just as successfully in the 75/80m band. One of the chronic complaints heard is that 3600-3700 is sparsely used by phone operators. To a certain extent, this is true. When the expanded band was first opened up, phone operators, both AM and SSB, rushed to fill the vacuum. Numerous AMers upgraded to Extra just so they could operate "down below". For a while, the segment was hopping with phone activity. But once the novelty wore off, phone operators slowly began to migrate back to their old operating frequencies. Now there are plenty of open spaces in this segment, and AM signals are seldom heard. However, the same could be said about CW activity. One of the reasons the FCC gave for expanding the phone band in the first place was that 3600-3700 had become sparsely occupied by CW and RTTY operators. In the years just preceding the expansion, it had reached the point that the 3600-3700 kHz segment might be entirely vacant while portions of the phone band were congested almost beyond the point of usability. If phone operators have largely abandoned this segment, the only reason CW operators might not be able to use it is the Extra Class licensing requirement. Another point that could be made in comments to the FCC is that moving the sub-band boundary up to 3650 would result in a LOSS OF PRIVILEGES for some operators. Even if other proposals in the League's petition were enacted, to restore Advanced, General, Technician and Novice privileges, and to extend RTTY/data privileges, no-one would actually lose privileges they presently enjoy. If the phone operators wanted to keep their stronghold on this segment, they would have to be more active in operating there. Use it or lose it. The AM community needs to be thinking this over as we wait to see the ARRL's planned petition. Don k4kyv --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From amradio at mailman.qth.net Sat Jul 25 19:02:58 2015 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (John King via AMRadio) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 23:02:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] Galaxy speaker wanetd Message-ID: <1790877071.2647049.1437865378977.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I am looking for a speaker in cabinet to match a Galaxy 5 MK3 transceiver. Anyone have an orphan that needs to be adopted. If so, please email me. Thanks and 73, John, K5PGW Reply, Reply All or Forward | More From paul at paulbaldock.com Mon Jul 27 20:34:03 2015 From: paul at paulbaldock.com (Paul Baldock) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 17:34:03 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] Eimac 4X150A available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have acquired thirteen 4x150As. I suspect they are pulls but I don't know the origin. Would anybody like them? They are $129 new at RF-Parts. So how about $15 each plus shipping? If you pay by PayPal and notify me that any that you receive do not work (with in 14 days) then I will refund the purchase price (less shipping) - no need to return to me. - Paul KW7Y --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From paul at paulbaldock.com Mon Jul 27 20:34:56 2015 From: paul at paulbaldock.com (Paul Baldock) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 17:34:56 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] Eimac 4X150A available Message-ID: I have acquired thirteen 4x150As. I suspect they are pulls but I don't know the origin. Would anybody like them? They are $129 new at RF-Parts. So how about $15 each plus shipping? If you pay by PayPal and notify me that any that you receive do not work (with in 14 days) then I will refund the purchase price (less shipping) - no need to return to me. - Paul KW7Y --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From amradio at mailman.qth.net Tue Jul 28 19:18:47 2015 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (John King via AMRadio) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 23:18:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] Need 1958 Call Book information Message-ID: <663468464.4597290.1438125527851.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Howdy Folks !! I am trying to find a AM? operator that I talked to regularly in 1958. His call sign is no longer on QRZ.com. I am not sure he is still living but I would like to find him, if he is living. His call sign was W5KIG and he lived in Kilgore, Texas. He might have been listed for several years before? and 1958. If you have access to the needed information, I would appreciate you sending it to me via email.? Thanks and 73, John, K5PGW From manualman at juno.com Tue Jul 28 19:39:16 2015 From: manualman at juno.com (manualman at juno.com) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 19:39:16 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Need 1958 Call Book information Message-ID: My 1991 call sign database doesn't list a W5KIG. The FCC license database has no record of a Thomas H. Jackson, holding a valid FCC amateur license today. Pete, wa2cwa On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 23:18:47 +0000 (UTC) John King via AMRadio writes: > Howdy Folks !! I am trying to find a AM operator that I talked to > regularly in 1958. His call sign is no longer on QRZ.com. I am not > sure he is still living but I would like to find him, if he is > living. > His call sign was W5KIG and he lived in Kilgore, Texas. He might > have been listed for several years before and 1958. If you have > access to the needed information, I would appreciate you sending it > to me via email. Thanks and 73, John, K5PGW From k4kyv at charter.net Tue Jul 28 19:51:41 2015 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 18:51:41 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] A proposal to help curtail pirate radio broadcasters could affect hams Message-ID: <001a01d0c990$5a669410$0f33bc30$@charter.net> The FCC chairman has suggested to Congress to pass a law making it illegal to "aid and abet the carrying out of a pirate radio station". We need to keep a close eye on this; it could make it more difficult for hams to acquire discarded broadcast transmitters, studio equipment, parts and tubes from radio stations. Depending on how such a law would be worded, station owners and managers might become paranoid about letting hams have material that would otherwise be hauled to the dump, out of fear that it could fall into the hands of pirate broadcasters and be used for illegal purposes, and the station owners held responsible. We have already seen something similar happen because of over-reaction to the alleged PCB hazard in transformers and capacitors. In one case a station out west refused to let a ham have a retired 1 kw transmitter or any parts out of it. When the ham suggested that he remove the capacitors and leave them behind for the station management to dispose of "properly", and let him take the rest, the station owners still refused, out of fear that everything inside the cabinet, including the 833A tubes, might somehow be tainted and the feared EPA come down hard on the station. This kind of nonsense could easily end up being extended to station owners refusing to let hams have anything to be discarded by a broadcast station, and who knows, the law could be written in a way as to prohibit such donations. >From the Radioworld website: "...The FCC chairman also noted the challenges in clamping down on pirate radio, comparing the search to a "game of Whac-A-Mole" where a pirate station pops up, is closed down and then pops up somewhere else. "One thing I encouraged in that letter is that Congress can also be helpful . by making it illegal to aid and abet the carrying out [of a pirate radio station]," Wheeler said. "We could use some additional authority [from Congress]..." Rep. Collins requested that the FCC chairman provide suggested regulatory language that would help the commission better crack down on pirate stations. http://www.radioworld.com/article/fcc-questioned-on-lack-of-progress/276709 Don k4kyv --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From hbrnut at suddenlink.net Tue Jul 28 20:04:20 2015 From: hbrnut at suddenlink.net (WA5VGO) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 19:04:20 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Need 1958 Call Book information In-Reply-To: <663468464.4597290.1438125527851.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <663468464.4597290.1438125527851.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7168807A-2E0C-4E7A-B436-5BEBA1E644DB@suddenlink.net> W5KIG Thomas H. Jackson 706 Travis Ave. Longview, Texas > On Jul 28, 2015, at 6:18 PM, John King via AMRadio wrote: > > Howdy Folks !! I am trying to find a AM operator that I talked to regularly in 1958. His call sign is no longer on QRZ.com. I am not sure he is still living but I would like to find him, if he is living. > His call sign was W5KIG and he lived in Kilgore, Texas. He might have been listed for several years before and 1958. If you have access to the needed information, I would appreciate you sending it to me via email. Thanks and 73, John, K5PGW > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hbrnut at suddenlink.net From knjhanlon at msn.com Tue Jul 28 20:17:47 2015 From: knjhanlon at msn.com (JAMES HANLON) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 18:17:47 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Hamfest AM demo Message-ID: For anyone who might be able to work Albuquerque, NM at mid day on 40 - I will be on the air running AM from the Albuquerque Hamfest on Saturday, August 8, from about 1:15 pm MDST until about 1:45 pm, 1315 to 1345, on 7293 kHz. I'll have a Knight T-150 and Hammarlund HQ-180 tied to an outdoor antenna and a Heathkit DX-60 and HR-10 tied to either an indoor antenna or a dummy load. I will be giving a talk to anyone who comes about 50 Year Old AM/CW Amateur Radio Stations, and I plan on spending at least a half-hour letting folks talk to each other via my two setups. I'll be listening for any "outside" stations as well, and if a few of you folks could break in and show off your great AM signals to the hamfest crowd, it would be icing on the cake. I'll be using my call, W8KGI, for the Knight/Hammarlund station on the outside antenna and the James Millen Club Station call, W1HRX, for the Heathkit station. Hope to work you on 8/8 from the Hamfest! Thanks and 73, Jim Hanlon, W8KGI From amradio at mailman.qth.net Wed Jul 29 12:11:33 2015 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (John King via AMRadio) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 16:11:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] Thanks for call book info help on W5KIG Message-ID: <313411015.5101498.1438186293825.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I really appreciate all the help extended by those of you who responded. Thanks, and 73, John, K5PGW From frsahu0003 at embarqmail.com Wed Jul 29 15:52:24 2015 From: frsahu0003 at embarqmail.com (FRANK HUGHES hughes) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 15:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AMRadio] pirate radio equipment sources In-Reply-To: <396329788.27067586.1438199541109.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1662722641.27067612.1438199544566.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com> I wonder just how large a problem pirate radio broadcasters really are? Is this really something so significant that the FCC really needs new laws? Does the FCC make any serious attempts to enforce existing laws? If the old & surplus equipment is banned, will existing owners be "grandfathered", and allowed to keep their equipment? Should I start hoarding "pre-ban" equipment? KJ4OLL From amradio at mailman.qth.net Wed Jul 29 10:58:44 2015 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (Bill Guyger via AMRadio) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 09:58:44 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] A proposal to help curtail pirate radio broadcasters could affect hams In-Reply-To: <001a01d0c990$5a669410$0f33bc30$@charter.net> References: <001a01d0c990$5a669410$0f33bc30$@charter.net> Message-ID: Don Given the fear of being sued that unfortunately is rampant today and given that law makers have two ends, a sitting end and a thinking end, and that their entire success depends entirely on their seat you might be right. But most pirate operations are in the FM band because of smaller very readily obtainable gear and antennas so I don't think it's a real issue but like you said stay tuned............ Bill AD5OL Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 28, 2015, at 6:51 PM, Donald Chester wrote: > > The FCC chairman has suggested to Congress to pass a law making it illegal > to "aid and abet the carrying out of a pirate radio station". We need to > keep a close eye on this; it could make it more difficult for hams to > acquire discarded broadcast transmitters, studio equipment, parts and tubes > from radio stations. Depending on how such a law would be worded, station > owners and managers might become paranoid about letting hams have material > that would otherwise be hauled to the dump, out of fear that it could fall > into the hands of pirate broadcasters and be used for illegal purposes, and > the station owners held responsible. > > We have already seen something similar happen because of over-reaction to > the alleged PCB hazard in transformers and capacitors. In one case a station > out west refused to let a ham have a retired 1 kw transmitter or any parts > out of it. When the ham suggested that he remove the capacitors and leave > them behind for the station management to dispose of "properly", and let him > take the rest, the station owners still refused, out of fear that everything > inside the cabinet, including the 833A tubes, might somehow be tainted and > the feared EPA come down hard on the station. > > This kind of nonsense could easily end up being extended to station owners > refusing to let hams have anything to be discarded by a broadcast station, > and who knows, the law could be written in a way as to prohibit such > donations. > > > From the Radioworld website: > > "...The FCC chairman also noted the challenges in clamping down on pirate > radio, comparing the search to a "game of Whac-A-Mole" where a pirate > station pops up, is closed down and then pops up somewhere else. "One thing > I encouraged in that letter is that Congress can also be helpful . by making > it illegal to aid and abet the carrying out [of a pirate radio station]," > Wheeler said. "We could use some additional authority [from Congress]..." > > Rep. Collins requested that the FCC chairman provide suggested regulatory > language that would help the commission better crack down on pirate > stations. > > http://www.radioworld.com/article/fcc-questioned-on-lack-of-progress/276709 > > > > Don k4kyv > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bguyger at yahoo.com From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Wed Jul 29 19:21:47 2015 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 18:21:47 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] pirate radio equipment sources In-Reply-To: <1662722641.27067612.1438199544566.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com> References: <396329788.27067586.1438199541109.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com> <1662722641.27067612.1438199544566.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: It's a pretty big problem in some metropolitan areas, for example Boston, NYC and Miami. You might wonder why they don't simply podcast (or whatever it is on the internet). Reason is that radio has a fixed cost once you get set up and allows an infinite number of "connections" if you will, for that cost within the coverage area. Most pirates are only interested in a small area, often with an ethnic format not represented by commercial broadcasters. They can cause a lot of interference. It's a different world from a rural location. 73 Rob K5UJ On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 2:52 PM, FRANK HUGHES hughes wrote: > > I wonder just how large a problem pirate radio broadcasters really are? > Is this really something so significant that the FCC really needs new laws? > Does the FCC make any serious attempts to enforce existing laws? > If the old & surplus equipment is banned, will existing owners be "grandfathered", and allowed to keep their equipment? > Should I start hoarding "pre-ban" equipment? > KJ4OLL > From wz5q at wz5q.net Thu Jul 30 08:04:58 2015 From: wz5q at wz5q.net (Mike - WZ5Q) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 07:04:58 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] A proposal to help curtail pirate radio broadcasters could affect hams In-Reply-To: <001a01d0c990$5a669410$0f33bc30$@charter.net> References: <001a01d0c990$5a669410$0f33bc30$@charter.net> Message-ID: <55BA12EA.6040003@wz5q.net> For the most part, the majority of Pirate Broadcasters on HF use home-brew or small portable transmitters and not anything huge and heavy which would basically confine it to a permanent location. They have to be portable and able to move transmitting sites for obvious reasons. I agree the problem would be in the way that it was worded, also whatever else they decide to tack onto it before it finishes it's trip through legislation. Don is correct in the fear of station owners stopping any type of sale or donations to the Hams, in this day and state of affairs, you really couldn't blame them. There has to be an underlying angle for what they are really after though... more Control I'm sure. Mike WZ5Q On 7/28/2015 6:51 PM, Donald Chester wrote: > The FCC chairman has suggested to Congress to pass a law making it illegal > to "aid and abet the carrying out of a pirate radio station". We need to > keep a close eye on this; it could make it more difficult for hams to > acquire discarded broadcast transmitters, studio equipment, parts and tubes > from radio stations. Depending on how such a law would be worded, station > owners and managers might become paranoid about letting hams have material > that would otherwise be hauled to the dump, out of fear that it could fall > into the hands of pirate broadcasters and be used for illegal purposes, and > the station owners held responsible. > > We have already seen something similar happen because of over-reaction to > the alleged PCB hazard in transformers and capacitors. In one case a station > out west refused to let a ham have a retired 1 kw transmitter or any parts > out of it. When the ham suggested that he remove the capacitors and leave > them behind for the station management to dispose of "properly", and let him > take the rest, the station owners still refused, out of fear that everything > inside the cabinet, including the 833A tubes, might somehow be tainted and > the feared EPA come down hard on the station. > > This kind of nonsense could easily end up being extended to station owners > refusing to let hams have anything to be discarded by a broadcast station, > and who knows, the law could be written in a way as to prohibit such > donations. > > > Don k4kyv > From amradio at mailman.qth.net Thu Jul 30 10:59:47 2015 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (CL in NC via AMRadio) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 07:59:47 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] Pirates Message-ID: <1438268387.55305.YahooMailBasic@web160601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> swling.com is a very good SWL website and keeps track of HF pirates. It is also a fun pastime to SWL these folks. Ebay is a big supplier of FM and AM transmitters, solid state, various power levels, and just about all from China. They have a legitimate use, but nothing stops you, except respect for the law, from hanging an antenna off the back and putting your message out. Charlie, W4MEC in NC From k4kyv at charter.net Thu Jul 30 11:08:51 2015 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 10:08:51 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] A proposal to help curtail pirate radio broadcasters Message-ID: <000601d0cad9$a5278910$ef769b30$@charter.net> While it is true that the vast majority of pirate broadcasting is with small low-power FM or HF set-ups, there is little likelihood that any legislation that came out of this would make that distinction. The "aiding and abetting" clause would almost certainly have a chilling effect on broadcast station managers and owners being willing to freely give away or sell transmitters, limiters, consoles or even loose components to individuals not directly connected to ongoing licensed broadcast operation. Kind of like the effect the Oklahoma City bombing had on purchasing ammonium nitrate fertiliser, and drug addicts have had on the free availability of hypodermic syringes, needles and even kids' chemistry sets, although every one of those products has plenty of legitimate uses. Another example, closer to home for most of us, is the infamous 10m amplifier ban. Don k4kyv --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From amradio at mailman.qth.net Thu Jul 30 11:21:42 2015 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (Bill Guyger via AMRadio) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 15:21:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] A proposal to help curtail pirate radio broadcasters could affect hams In-Reply-To: <55BA12EA.6040003@wz5q.net> References: <001a01d0c990$5a669410$0f33bc30$@charter.net> <55BA12EA.6040003@wz5q.net> Message-ID: <316992257.5234044.1438269702390.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Just looking at the wording of the FCC Chairman and the guy is a politician / lawyer so?all bets are +/- 3dB....I'm wondering if he's?referring to banning manufacturing of equipment?like the Ramsey?FM transmitters that?off the shelf do up to?50 watts or so in the FM band. Googling FM radio transmitter, there are all sort of devices on the market that are sold to transmit in the FM band. That 50 watts is plenty to cover a large area if you have a high gain or physically high enough antenna. When a Navy Reserve jet hit the old Channel 4,5, and 8?candelabra antenna?here in Dallas back in '87 it?took one of the local FM's off the air too. We let them bring their?50 watt exciter over to our building and?plumb it into our aux. antenna?which is side mounted at?800' on our tower. They were full quieting stereo over most of the DFW metroplex! Bill AD5OL ? From: Mike - WZ5Q To: amradio at mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 7:04 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] A proposal to help curtail pirate radio broadcasters could affect hams ? ? For the most part, the majority of Pirate Broadcasters on HF use home-brew or small portable transmitters and not anything huge and heavy which would basically confine it to a permanent location. They have to be portable and able to move transmitting sites for obvious reasons. ? ? I agree the problem would be in the way that it was worded, also whatever else they decide to tack onto it before it finishes it's trip through legislation. Don is correct in the fear of station owners stopping any type of sale or donations to the Hams, in this day and state of affairs, you really couldn't blame them. ? ? There has to be an underlying angle for what they are really after though... more Control I'm sure. Mike WZ5Q On 7/28/2015 6:51 PM, Donald Chester wrote: > The FCC chairman has suggested to Congress to pass a law making it illegal > to "aid and abet the carrying out of a pirate radio station". We need to > keep a close eye on this; it could make it more difficult for hams to > acquire discarded broadcast transmitters, studio equipment, parts and tubes > from radio stations. Depending on how such a law would be worded, station > owners and managers might become paranoid about letting hams have material > that would otherwise be hauled to the dump, out of fear that it could fall > into the hands of pirate broadcasters and be used for illegal purposes, and > the station owners held responsible. > > We have already seen something similar happen because of over-reaction to > the alleged PCB hazard in transformers and capacitors. In one case a station > out west refused to let a ham have a? retired 1 kw transmitter or any parts > out of it. When the ham suggested that he remove the capacitors and leave > them behind for the station management to dispose of "properly", and let him > take the rest, the station owners still refused, out of fear that everything > inside the cabinet, including the 833A tubes, might somehow be tainted and > the feared EPA come down hard on the station. > > This kind of nonsense could easily end up being extended to station owners > refusing to let hams have anything to be discarded by a broadcast station, > and who knows, the law could be written in a way as to prohibit such > donations. > > > Don k4kyv > ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to bguyger at yahoo.com From ka1kaq at gmail.com Thu Jul 30 14:15:38 2015 From: ka1kaq at gmail.com (Todd, KA1KAQ) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 14:15:38 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] A proposal to help curtail pirate radio broadcasters In-Reply-To: <000601d0cad9$a5278910$ef769b30$@charter.net> References: <000601d0cad9$a5278910$ef769b30$@charter.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Donald Chester wrote: > The "aiding and abetting" > clause would almost certainly have a chilling effect on broadcast station > managers and owners being willing to freely give away or sell transmitters, > limiters, consoles or even loose components to individuals not directly > connected to ongoing licensed broadcast operation. > I think you could easily change "almost certainly" to "little likelihood" here as well and be closer to reality. I'm no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that by definition, for aiding/abetting to take place, criminal intent or knowledge of same needs to be proven. Grabbed this from one of the legal sites online: "Aiding and abetting generally means to somehow assist in the commission of a crime, or to be an accomplice. It involves a plan to commit a crime or to commit acts, the probable consequences of which are criminal." Not that they'd even have to go this far, but a station could easily have the new owner sign a document saying that they are legally able to own and operate this equipment, will do so within the bounds of the law, etc etc. Might not be iron clad in court, but it certainly establishes that the station was trying to do the right thing and keeps the burden of proof on the prosecution to show otherwise. Kind of like the effect the Oklahoma City bombing had on purchasing ammonium > nitrate fertiliser, and drug addicts have had on the free availability of > hypodermic syringes, needles and even kids' chemistry sets, although every > one of those products has plenty of legitimate uses. > That's quite a leap, Don. Kind of like comparing parking tickets to DUI or murder. Prescription drugs have many legitimate uses, too - yet are regulated due to the possible dangers involved along with the less-than-honest dregs of society. Regulation is nothing new. Another example, closer to home for most of us, is the infamous 10m > amplifier ban. > For which I think there is plenty of evidence to show that some manufacturers were doing anything they could to get their product into the hands of illegal 11m operators. The Swan/Siltronix radios come to mind. Not to mention the 'Good buddy Footwarmer' or Davemade type "10 meter" amps that were clearly anything but. I recall numerous manufactures offered instructions or kits available to licensed hams to add 10m. I bet some of those still ended up in the hands of criminals, too. Station owners have long been more concerned with possible liability issues associated with letting equipment go. From PCBs to electrocution to having the transmitter fall off the truck enroute. Much more likely threats. As we know, many decided years ago it was easier to scrap than sell or give away and risk a lawsuit. Blame the sue-happy society we live in for that. Yet some stations still work with us to give the equipment a new home. I think the biggest threat to the used broadcast transmitter market from the amateur radio perspective is the ever-decreasing demand. There are many folks out there now - myself included, either with completely converted rigs or complete transmitters ready for conversion - who can't get so much as an offer. Jerry/KC8ZUL has been working to dispose of his collection of BC iron via ebay as well as directly for a while. A fellow in MA recently scrapped a 5kw RCA transmitter after first trying to sell, then trying to give it away. Dave/K2DK recently gave away at least one converted transmitter, possibly more. Even at the 'free' price he had little interest. As Tom/K1JJ put it in a discussion not so long ago, something to the effect of '50 years from now we'll be dead and all this stuff will be at the bottom of a landfill somewhere. Who's going to care? Use it and enjoy it while you can'. Probably not too far off the mark, sadly. ~ Todd, KA1KAQ/4 From blimpboy at sonic.net Thu Jul 30 17:28:32 2015 From: blimpboy at sonic.net (blimpy) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 14:28:32 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 138, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <991EA955DC2D4E9F80F3C3E489D1BE26@larryPC> PIRATE RADIO tempest in a tea pot. The laws will do nothing... just as the current laws have done nothing. Effect on hams and buying XMTR's.. probably zero. $$$ The stations want money.. that is their whole reason for being. $$$ Not to put too fine a point on it.. but I have never met a station owner or manager who in any way resembled mother teresa. Waving your License ( amateur or commercial if you've got one like I do) should be Prima Facia evidence that you are NOT a pirate. How much more complicated does it have to be. Money , License, Truck, Bodies... all it takes. Liability and bashing holes in walls to get the things out of the building.. probably more real considerations. IMHO. W6WUH no political, religious, or economic email, links, or blogs please. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 12015 (20150729) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From blimpboy at sonic.net Thu Jul 30 17:42:40 2015 From: blimpboy at sonic.net (blimpy) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 14:42:40 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] Ebay Prime Source of Illegal XMTRS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We know the billionaires never pay a dime in fines, and never do jail time. None the less.. Ebay should be the direct target of enforcement of any laws aimed at sanctioning the sale of illegal transmitters. But those clowns would sell zyclon B ( the aushwitz poison gas) and claim they are only a robot ( only following orders) and bare no responsibility. Irresponsible.. I'd buy that. Haven't checked, but I bet Amazon probably sells this crap too. W6WUH no political, religious, or economic email, links, or blogs please. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 12015 (20150729) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From w5jo at brightok.net Thu Jul 30 18:45:29 2015 From: w5jo at brightok.net (Jim Wilhite) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 17:45:29 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Ebay Prime Source of Illegal XMTRS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <26D2587F48C44B4081B3FDDB69712A0D@JimPC> This is just a bit over the line. Please confine your comments to topics about AM Radio. Jim W5JO Moderator But those clowns would sell zyclon B ( the aushwitz poison gas) and claim they are only a robot ( only following orders) and bare no responsibility. Irresponsible.. I'd buy that. Haven't checked, but I bet Amazon probably sells this crap too. From amradio at mailman.qth.net Thu Jul 30 18:47:22 2015 From: amradio at mailman.qth.net (Ed via AMRadio) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 18:47:22 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Ebay Prime Source of Illegal XMTRS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DB52304-14B3-47F3-96E5-7C55F558CBB1@aol.com> The crime is not selling or purchasing transmitting equipment. But the use which is contrary to law. Much like buying a hammer, then killing someone with it. Outlawing the sale, or possession of something has never stopped its illegal use, else we'd have solved the drug problem decade ago. Making the seller responsible for the end users actions is simply the governments method of avoiding the cost of effective enforcement. Much like holding bartenders accountable for drunk driving. VR, Ed Mullin > On Jul 30, 2015, at 5:42 PM, blimpy wrote: > > > We know the billionaires never pay a dime in fines, and never do jail time. > None the less.. Ebay should be the direct target of enforcement of any laws > aimed at sanctioning the sale of illegal transmitters. > > But those clowns would sell zyclon B ( the aushwitz poison gas) and claim > they are only a robot ( only following orders) and bare no responsibility. > > Irresponsible.. I'd buy that. > Haven't checked, but I bet Amazon probably sells this crap too. > > W6WUH > > > no political, religious, or economic email, links, or > blogs please. > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 12015 (20150729) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to edwmullin at aol.com From johnmb at nc.rr.com Thu Jul 30 19:52:09 2015 From: johnmb at nc.rr.com (john) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 19:52:09 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Pirate Paranoia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20150730194925.04de9eb0@pop-server.nc.rr.com> > >I wonder just how large a problem pirate radio broadcasters really are? >Is this really something so significant that the FCC really needs new laws? >Does the FCC make any serious attempts to enforce existing laws? We're spending ourselves into Greece style poverty, we've got terrorists killing people all over the planet, Europe is eroding and some clowns in the FCC consider pirate radio something to fight over. Typical government "make a big show like we're doing something" reaction. John K5MO --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From johnmb at nc.rr.com Thu Jul 30 19:54:52 2015 From: johnmb at nc.rr.com (john) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 19:54:52 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Pirate II Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20150730195344.04da2a10@pop-server.nc.rr.com> And of course NOBODY in the AM ham community would EVER have been involved in HF pirate radio! John K5MO --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From JM at D8ALUS.NET Thu Jul 30 20:46:27 2015 From: JM at D8ALUS.NET (Jack) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 20:46:27 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Ebay Prime Source of Illegal XMTRS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Time to renew the prescription for those meds -----Original Message----- From: AMRadio [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of blimpy Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 5:43 PM To: amradio at mailman.qth.net Subject: [AMRadio] Ebay Prime Source of Illegal XMTRS We know the billionaires never pay a dime in fines, and never do jail time. None the less.. Ebay should be the direct target of enforcement of any laws aimed at sanctioning the sale of illegal transmitters. But those clowns would sell zyclon B ( the aushwitz poison gas) and claim they are only a robot ( only following orders) and bare no responsibility. Irresponsible.. I'd buy that. Haven't checked, but I bet Amazon probably sells this crap too. W6WUH no political, religious, or economic email, links, or blogs please. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 12015 (20150729) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jm at d8alus.net From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Thu Jul 30 20:55:58 2015 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 19:55:58 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Pirate Paranoia In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20150730194925.04de9eb0@pop-server.nc.rr.com> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20150730194925.04de9eb0@pop-server.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 6:52 PM, john wrote: > and some clowns in the > FCC consider pirate radio something to fight over. > > Typical government "make a big show like we're doing something" reaction. It is an issue not because the FCC spontaneously wanted something to do; It is an issue because professional commercial broadcasters in metropolitan areas have been pleading with the FCC to act for some time. If you follow the industry via trade rags and on-line forums etc. you are aware of this but in the ham radio world not much as been said because it isn't a relevant issue here. But firstly, FCC is _responding_ to multiple requests for action--in NYC there are dozens of pirates operating according to reports I have seen. Secondly, what is relevant to us isn't the pirate activity, it is how the legislative process plays out to deal with it, possibly resulting in a broadly worded rule that for example, prohibits the sale of any broadcast gear, any at all, to anyone who does not have a license to broadcast. That would shut down average hams getting any goodies and even make the sale of a peak limiter illegal at a hamfest. I am not saying this will happen; I am just giving an example of the kind of fallout that can result when non-technical lawyers throw some stuff together and it gets rubber stamped into law and we are blindsided. The original message was to merely keep an eye on this as it develops. Not a bad idea. 73 Rob K5UJ From johnmb at nc.rr.com Thu Jul 30 21:20:25 2015 From: johnmb at nc.rr.com (john) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 21:20:25 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Pirate Paranoia In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.1.2.2.20150730194925.04de9eb0@pop-server.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20150730211724.03511650@pop-server.nc.rr.com> At 08:55 PM 7/30/2015, Rob Atkinson wrote: >It is an issue not because the FCC spontaneously wanted something to do; > >It is an issue because professional commercial broadcasters in >metropolitan areas have been pleading with the FCC to act for some >time. Then they should try ...gasp...enforcement! Restricting access to surplus gear will do precisely nothing to FM piracy, however it IS easy, it IS splashy and it does play well politically to the "pass a law, solve a problem" crowd. FM transmitter technology is , like most electronics, ever more approachable to the average Joe. You can't legislate it away. Respectfully John K5MO --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From blimpboy at sonic.net Fri Jul 31 11:50:19 2015 From: blimpboy at sonic.net (blimpy) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2015 08:50:19 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 138, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3A735EF01C97481191BBFE952AABF2AE@larryPC> " I wouldn't belong to any club that would have me as a member" - Groucho Marx - Apparently I have been lured into an off topic discussion... which is ok for certain "members" ( pun intended) to comment on.. but not for me. Unsubscribe Me. and a 72 1/2 all around W6WUH no political, religious, or economic email, links, or blogs please. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 12021 (20150730) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

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