From jtml at losalamos.com Mon Feb 1 02:21:28 2016 From: jtml at losalamos.com (John Lyles) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 00:21:28 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] Modulator question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56AF0778.40101@losalamos.com> In modulator service in class AB1, the screen should be run at about 300 volts DC and no more. It will run very hot above this. It should be regulated if possible. I built a replacement screen modulator for the 1625s in a DX100, using EL34s. I made a simple regulator for the screen run off a divider from the 6146 plate voltage. The connection seen in some old audio amplifiers shows ultra-linear transformer connection where the screen is connected to a tap on the output transformer which does put the plate voltage DC level on the screen but it also has a percentage of the output AC voltage on it. I wouldn't recommend this unless you have the Acrosound ulta-linear transformer. John K5PRO Message: 6 Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 07:38:46 -0800 From: Paul Baldock To: Jim Tonne ,amradio at mailman.qth.net The screen is not tapped on the mod tranny. It is pure DC. at about half the plate voltage. I think however the issue may be related to the screen, because in a typical EL34 output the screen is run at the same voltage as the plate. I did not do this because my plate voltage is about 660V. I will try upping the screen voltage (and readjusting the bias of course) Thanks - Paul From kenw8ek at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 10:33:39 2016 From: kenw8ek at gmail.com (Ken, W8EK) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 10:33:39 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Six meter transceiver, antenna, etc FS Message-ID: <56B8B553.10608@gmail.com> Six meter items For Sale: FM Transceiver, mobile antenna, Communications Speakers, Low Pass TVI Filter, etc. Midland 6 meter FM Transceiver: The Midland 70-056 C is a 100 watt mobile 6 meter FM transceiver. 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This one works fine, looks close to new, and includes paper work (cutting instructions) for $20. Radio Shack 21-541 Powered Communications Speaker: This speaker is a bit unique. It is a communications speaker, but it is also powered, much like computer speakers. Specs say the frequency response is 300 to 3000 Hz, which is ideal for communications. It is rated to have 8 watts output, which means you could hear it in over most any noisy environment, such as high noise mobile installations. It needs 13 V DC at up to 1.5 amps, although current is very low if the volume is low. This unit has a nice gimble mounting bracket, making it great for mobile use. This unit works fine and looks close to new. It even includes a single page of paper work, as if that is needed. Only $22. Other Communications Speakers: Realistic 21-549 A This speaker is about 4 inches square and about 2 inches deep. 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Thanks. 73, Ken, W8EK Ken Simpson E-mail to W8EK at FLHam.net or W8EK at arrl.net Voice Phone (352) 732-8400 From k4kyv at charter.net Tue Feb 9 14:37:45 2016 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 13:37:45 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Watch for FCC's response to ARRL's 3600-3650 petition Message-ID: <000001d16371$59ca9d00$0d5fd700$@charter.net> They might just sit on this indefinitely and take no action, but their first positive step would be to either formally dismiss the petition out of hand, or else assign it an RM-number and accept public comments. Then, after the comment period closes they could still dismiss the petition, but they MIGHT decide that it has sufficient merit to release a NPRM (Notice of Proposed Rulemaking). Nevertheless, there is no guarantee that the FCC's proposed change would be the same as what the ARRL requested, and the process up to this point could take months or even years. Still, in the event of an official NPRM, the AM community would do well to carefully examine the wording. Effectively, this would point to an open admission by the FCC that they initially made an erroneous rulemaking decision (to expand the 75m phone band down to 3550), and that they now propose to correct the error. This would set a powerful precedent for reversing or clarifying the AM power issue that arose with the change from the DC input to the output power standard. Normally, the FCC is loath to admit any substantive error in their rulemaking decisions, so to further consider the ARRL petition would clearly document a softening or breakdown of that disinclination. Any thoughts? Don k4kyv From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 19:19:24 2016 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 18:19:24 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Watch for FCC's response to ARRL's 3600-3650 petition In-Reply-To: <000001d16371$59ca9d00$0d5fd700$@charter.net> References: <000001d16371$59ca9d00$0d5fd700$@charter.net> Message-ID: > > This would set a powerful precedent for reversing or clarifying the AM power > issue that arose with the change from the DC input to the output power > standard. Normally, the FCC is loath to admit any substantive error in > their rulemaking decisions, so to further consider the ARRL petition would > clearly document a softening or breakdown of that disinclination. > > Any thoughts? I see that point of view and it's probably every AMer's dream to have the power limit go back to 1 KW input to the final, but it would probably have to be a rule change for AM only as operators of other modes would most likely want to stay with the status quo. I have doubts about FCC going with a special case power limit just for AM. The other problem is that a move to reinstate the old power limit might arouse wider AM opposition in general and open the door for another call to ban AM entirely from some quarters. So that's a possible risk. I want to give one opinion regarding the conduct of some AM operators with regard to the regulatory climate we remain in and the seemingly unending anti-AM sentiment from the usual suspects. I believe the AM community has to keep in mind that the continued allowance of AM as a permitted emission in the U.S., is never guaranteed. It is unwise to take it for granted. It has survived only due to the efforts of past operators such as Don and others who filed pro-AM comments in FCC proceedings, most recently the "regulation by bandwidth" debacle, and requires a commitment from the members of the AM community to defend it as a legal mode, in the future. Therefore, the AM operators in the U.S. benefit from unity. Lately I have been hearing AM operators in the 75 meter "ghetto" engaging with each other in petty disputes over claims of QRM, accusations of excessive bandwidth, or alleged self centeredness stemming from overly long transmissions, frequency hogging, and so on. I used to associate this sort of conduct with slopbucket operators. This sort of thing is corrosive and harmful to unity amongst AM operators, and I don't think we need it. Such disputes should be taken off the air and on-line with disputing parties remembering that the fellow you battle will be faced at a hamfest some day, perhaps Dayton in May. A polite email will go a long way towards fixing things. The on-air pissing and moaning about that and deliberate QRM (also a bad thing to do) is evidence of the need to make use of that 50 kc down below 3650. 73 Rob K5UJ From k4kyv at charter.net Wed Feb 10 02:25:30 2016 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 01:25:30 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Watch for FCC's response to ARRL's 3600-3650 petition In-Reply-To: References: <000001d16371$59ca9d00$0d5fd700$@charter.net> Message-ID: <001a01d163d4$38b64160$aa22c420$@charter.net> >> Any thoughts? > I see that point of view and it's probably every AMer's dream to have the power limit go back to 1 KW input to the final, but it would probably have to be a rule change for AM only as > operators of other modes would most likely want to stay with the status quo. I have doubts about FCC going with a special case power limit just for AM. One approach might be something on the order of what Canada did, but the CW and RTTY ops in the US benefitted from an approximately 3 dB increase under the present standard and would undoubtedly fight tooth and nail to keep it, plus the FCC would unlikely be interested in returning to any kind of a DC input standard. Here's the text of the current Canadian regulations: Standards for the Operation of Radio Stations in the Amateur Radio Service RIC-2 10.2 Amateur Radio Operator Certificate with Basic and Advanced Qualifications The holder of an Amateur Radio Operator Certificate with Basic and Advanced Qualifications is limited to a maximum transmitting power of: (a) where expressed as direct-current input power, 1,000 W to the anode or collector circuit of the transmitter stage that supplies radio frequency energy to the antenna; or (b) where expressed as radio frequency output power measured across an impedance-matched load, (i) 2,250 W peak envelope power for transmitters that produce any type of single sideband emission, or (ii) 750 W carrier power for transmitters that produce any other type of emission http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.nsf/eng/sf01226.html#fre From k9cox at charter.net Wed Feb 10 02:42:08 2016 From: k9cox at charter.net (Ross Stenberg) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 01:42:08 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Watch for FCC's response to ARRL's 3600-3650 petition In-Reply-To: <001a01d163d4$38b64160$aa22c420$@charter.net> References: <000001d16371$59ca9d00$0d5fd700$@charter.net> <001a01d163d4$38b64160$aa22c420$@charter.net> Message-ID: <72877FE8C5A7471C80554CF2C05B023A@RossFlexSDR> I have a confession, on occasion I have exceeded the speed limit and removed the tags from my pillows. 73 Ross K9COX From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 06:07:33 2016 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 05:07:33 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Watch for FCC's response to ARRL's 3600-3650 petition In-Reply-To: <001a01d163d4$38b64160$aa22c420$@charter.net> References: <000001d16371$59ca9d00$0d5fd700$@charter.net> <001a01d163d4$38b64160$aa22c420$@charter.net> Message-ID: I knew the VEs had a higher slopbucket power limit but I didn't know they had other options. I can't tell if the power limit for AM would be 1 KW input or 750 watts output across a matched load. Maybe it's both and the choice of measurement is up to the operator. I certainly think those power limit specifications are reasonable. Rob K5UJ > The holder of an Amateur Radio Operator Certificate with Basic and Advanced > Qualifications is limited > to a maximum transmitting power of: > > (a) where expressed as direct-current input power, 1,000 W to the anode or > collector circuit of the > transmitter stage that supplies radio frequency energy to the antenna; or > (b) where expressed as radio frequency output power measured across an > impedance-matched load, > (i) 2,250 W peak envelope power for transmitters that produce any type of > single sideband emission, or > (ii) 750 W carrier power for transmitters that produce any other type of > emission > From steinerviolinist at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 10:07:45 2016 From: steinerviolinist at gmail.com (Oliver Steiner) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 10:07:45 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Watch for FCC's response to ARRL's 3600-3650 petition In-Reply-To: References: <000001d16371$59ca9d00$0d5fd700$@charter.net> <001a01d163d4$38b64160$aa22c420$@charter.net> Message-ID: I would think that the less radical a proposed change appears to be, the greater the likelihood of it's acceptance by the FCC. If this is so, asking for measurement of carrier output might have a better chance of success than asking for measurement of DC input. Also, asking for carrier output measurement may come across as more acceptable than asking for a higher than the present 1500 Watt PEP level. Ollie W2QXR On 2/10/16, Rob Atkinson wrote: > I knew the VEs had a higher slopbucket power limit but I didn't know > they had other options. I can't tell if the power limit for AM would > be 1 KW input or 750 watts output across a matched load. Maybe it's > both and the choice of measurement is up to the operator. > > I certainly think those power limit specifications are reasonable. > > Rob > K5UJ > > >> The holder of an Amateur Radio Operator Certificate with Basic and >> Advanced >> Qualifications is limited >> to a maximum transmitting power of: >> >> (a) where expressed as direct-current input power, 1,000 W to the anode >> or >> collector circuit of the >> transmitter stage that supplies radio frequency energy to the antenna; or >> (b) where expressed as radio frequency output power measured across an >> impedance-matched load, >> (i) 2,250 W peak envelope power for transmitters that produce any type of >> single sideband emission, or >> (ii) 750 W carrier power for transmitters that produce any other type of >> emission >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to steinerviolinist at gmail.com > -- http://oliversteiner.com From steinerviolinist at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 10:14:45 2016 From: steinerviolinist at gmail.com (Oliver Steiner) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 10:14:45 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Watch for FCC's response to ARRL's 3600-3650 petition In-Reply-To: References: <000001d16371$59ca9d00$0d5fd700$@charter.net> <001a01d163d4$38b64160$aa22c420$@charter.net> Message-ID: I'd like to add one more point to my previous e mail: If memory serves, the FCC declared that the safety of FCC inspectors who visit a ham station was a key factor in their ruling to change from DC input measurement to PEP output measurement. Ollie W2QXR On 2/10/16, Oliver Steiner wrote: > I would think that the less radical a proposed change appears to be, > the greater the likelihood of it's acceptance by the FCC. If this is > so, asking for measurement of carrier output might have a better > chance of success than asking for measurement of DC input. Also, > asking for carrier output measurement may come across as more > acceptable than asking for a higher than the present 1500 Watt PEP > level. > > Ollie > W2QXR > > On 2/10/16, Rob Atkinson wrote: >> I knew the VEs had a higher slopbucket power limit but I didn't know >> they had other options. I can't tell if the power limit for AM would >> be 1 KW input or 750 watts output across a matched load. Maybe it's >> both and the choice of measurement is up to the operator. >> >> I certainly think those power limit specifications are reasonable. >> >> Rob >> K5UJ >> >> >>> The holder of an Amateur Radio Operator Certificate with Basic and >>> Advanced >>> Qualifications is limited >>> to a maximum transmitting power of: >>> >>> (a) where expressed as direct-current input power, 1,000 W to the anode >>> or >>> collector circuit of the >>> transmitter stage that supplies radio frequency energy to the antenna; >>> or >>> (b) where expressed as radio frequency output power measured across an >>> impedance-matched load, >>> (i) 2,250 W peak envelope power for transmitters that produce any type >>> of >>> single sideband emission, or >>> (ii) 750 W carrier power for transmitters that produce any other type of >>> emission >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >> AMRadio mailing list >> Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ >> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >> Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net >> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with >> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to steinerviolinist at gmail.com >> > > > -- > http://oliversteiner.com > -- http://oliversteiner.com From jmac6235 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 10 10:54:12 2016 From: jmac6235 at yahoo.com (J.D. MacAulay, WQ8U) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 15:54:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] Phone Classic Exchange "CX" this Sunday and next Tuesday In-Reply-To: <877500790.1673973.1455118428199.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1966836783.1688805.1455118186073.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1966836783.1688805.1455118186073.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <877500790.1673973.1455118428199.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1439518081.1695525.1455119652889.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Time to work and enjoy those wonderful old AM and early SSB rigs. ?Modern rigs are encouraged to join in the fun. The PHONE CX will run from 1400 UTC February 14 to 0800 UTC February 15, 2016.(9 AM Eastern Time on Sunday to 3 AM Eastern Time Monday)?AND?>From 1400 UTC February 16 to 0800 UTC February 17, 2016(9 AM Eastern Time on Tuesday to 3 AM Eastern Time Wednesday)?Call: "CQ Classic Exchange"?Suggested Frequencies -- plus/minus QRMListen up and down 5 to 10 Kc for crystal controlled stations. . . . .BAND 160????????? 80????????????? 40????????????? ????20?????????????? 15????????????? 10?????????????? 6?????????????????? 2AM ????1.890 mc. 3.860 mc. ????7.270 mc. ????14.280 mc. ????21.400 mc. ????29.000 mc. ? 50.300 mc. 144.300 mc.SSB ? ?1.920 mc. 3.840 mc ????7.250 mc. ????14.260 mc. ????21.380 mc ????28.600 mc. ????50.125 mc 144.200 mc.?See you all Sunday and Tuesday!?Full details at: www.classicexchange.org?Questions? email me! ?wq8u at arrl.net?73,??Mac WQ8U Hillsborough, NC From dburlew at nmax.net Thu Feb 11 08:13:42 2016 From: dburlew at nmax.net (Douglas Burlew) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:13:42 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Watch for FCC's response to ARRL's 3600-3650 petition In-Reply-To: <000001d16371$59ca9d00$0d5fd700$@charter.net> Message-ID: 1. Don?t like the chances of this petition?s ultimate adoption. It hasn?t been long enough since this section of the band was opened for phone operation. FCC has to perpetuate their image of regulatory omnipotence. They can?t do that and reverse their position on a relatively recent ruling. 2. With Morse testing history and answers to the multiple-choice questions long in the public domain, those wishing to operate 3600-3650 should just expend the effort to pass the tests. Probably what the Commission will say. 3. Re: the adoption of the 1500 Watt p.e.p. power output limit of 25-30 years ago, sometimes it?s better to be content with half a loaf. With the FCC?s budgetary constraints and inattention to Amateur matters it?s apparent this rule hasn?t amounted to much. Amateur Enforcement is devoted to egregious violations of Part 97. With a new power output limit petition there is no telling what the FCC would do with that. They could cut us in half and put us more on a par with the UK and Australia. Just my 3 cents. Doug/W3DBB --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 09:40:53 2016 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:40:53 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Watch for FCC's response to ARRL's 3600-3650 petition In-Reply-To: References: <000001d16371$59ca9d00$0d5fd700$@charter.net> Message-ID: Last night I briefly tuned around in the 3650 vicinity and heard several QSOs. Found maybe 10 kc that was empty, not all in one place, but that part of the band was much more occupied than I expected. If ARRL says it is underused I found no basis for that and last night was just a regular ho hum evening and not a contest or dx event. 73 Rob K5UJ From w5jo at brightok.net Thu Feb 11 09:49:14 2016 From: w5jo at brightok.net (w5jo at brightok.net) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:49:14 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Watch for FCC's response to ARRL's 3600-3650 petition In-Reply-To: References: <000001d16371$59ca9d00$0d5fd700$@charter.net> Message-ID: <852352347BBE46FD97FCA2DA7067F7B9@JimPC> Rob, did you tune down into the CW/Digital portion? The times I have there is not much digital down there. That makes me wonder why the ARRL wants additional space. Jim W5JO -----Original Message----- Last night I briefly tuned around in the 3650 vicinity and heard several QSOs. Found maybe 10 kc that was empty, not all in one place, but that part of the band was much more occupied than I expected. If ARRL says it is underused I found no basis for that and last night was just a regular ho hum evening and not a contest or dx event. 73 Rob K5UJ From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 11:54:36 2016 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 10:54:36 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Watch for FCC's response to ARRL's 3600-3650 petition In-Reply-To: <852352347BBE46FD97FCA2DA7067F7B9@JimPC> References: <000001d16371$59ca9d00$0d5fd700$@charter.net> <852352347BBE46FD97FCA2DA7067F7B9@JimPC> Message-ID: Hi Jim, No, I tuned down to around 3620. Usually when ARRL claims more space is needed for some mode on HF, the decoded claim reads "more space is needed [for contests]." Rob K5UJ On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:49 AM, wrote: > Rob, did you tune down into the CW/Digital portion? The times I have there > is not much digital down there. That makes me wonder why the ARRL wants > additional space. > > Jim > W5JO From kenw8ek at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 10:48:34 2016 From: kenw8ek at gmail.com (Ken, W8EK) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 10:48:34 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Antenna Tuners FS Message-ID: <56BF5052.8040205@gmail.com> Two Antenna Tuners For Sale: These are very different types of antenna tuners. The first is a very heavy duty, high power HF tuner. The second is a much lighter duty tuner for 2 meters and 220 MHz. Nye Viking MB-V A Heavy Duty Antenna Tuner: This antenna tuner is a "brute". Apparently it will take on the order of 5000 watts -- at least far more power than you should be running. This tuner features a heavy-duty silver-plated variable inductor with a 25:1 vernier dial, 7,000 volt variable capacitor and 15,000 volt switch selected capacitors. The frequency range is 1.8 to 30 MHz continuously. Dual-metering provides for hands free SWR monitoring. The two backlit meters show SWR and power continuously. Forward power is measured peak power, if a 9 volt battery if connected. You get push button antenna switching from the front panel. The rear panel has inputs for 4 antennas (2 coax, single wire and twin lead). There is a tuner bypass position for the coax antenna input. A 3kW triple core balun is included. The extra heavy gauge aluminum cabinet provides effective shielding. This one works 100% and looks very close to new. With paper work for $500. Antenna Tuner Wattmeter Combo for 2 meters and 220 MHz: The MFJ 921 is an antenna tuner for 2 meters and also 220 MHz. It also includes a wattmeter with 30 Watt and 300 Watt scales. The paper work says it is good for 300 Watts PEP, but 100 W is probably more realistic. Of course it also has an SWR bridge as well as wattmeter. This particular works fine (at least on 2 meters, as I have no 220 MHz equipment to test it on), and looks like it just came out of the box from MFJ. Paper work included for $60. Prices do not include shipping from Florida. I also have many other accessories available such as many different types of microphones, HTs, HF, VHF and UHF rigs, HF and VHF/UHF antennas, etc. Just too many to list here. Please e-mail your requests. Thanks. 73, Ken, W8EK Ken Simpson E-mail to W8EK at FLHam.net or W8EK at arrl.net Voice Phone (352) 732-8400 From collinsradio at comcast.net Sun Feb 14 09:56:45 2016 From: collinsradio at comcast.net (David Knepper) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 09:56:45 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Early Spring Sale Message-ID: <5629DCEC413B4511831A4DB12D7F5CE3@DavidPC> Looking for a new owner for my RCA BTA 1R1 broadcast transmitter. Very clean. Removed from service. Spare parts (new) included. No repairs needed ? ready to go to work for you. Price is $5,000 with tubes. Negotiable David Knepper - W3CRA/W3ST Collins Radio Association www.collinsradio.us Join the CRA today --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From jtml at vla.com Sun Feb 14 12:57:50 2016 From: jtml at vla.com (John Lyles) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 17:57:50 +0000 Subject: [AMRadio] Early Spring Sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40CB303E-50EB-4770-A29E-E31721A2E3AC@vla.com> BTA 1R1 is not a rare transmitter, and can often be gotten for free or for a few hundred bills surplus from broadcasters. Is there something magical or special restoration that warrants this extreme asking price?? Or maybe an extra zero was inserted, a typo? ------------------- Looking for a new owner for my RCA BTA 1R1 broadcast transmitter. Very clean. Removed from service. Spare parts (new) included. No repairs needed ? ready to go to work for you. Price is $5,000 with tubes. Negotiable David Knepper - W3CRA/W3ST Collins Radio Associationor free From Tonne at Comcast.net Sun Feb 14 13:11:32 2016 From: Tonne at Comcast.net (Jim Tonne) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 13:11:32 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Early Spring Sale In-Reply-To: <40CB303E-50EB-4770-A29E-E31721A2E3AC@vla.com> References: <40CB303E-50EB-4770-A29E-E31721A2E3AC@vla.com> Message-ID: <56C0C354.8@Comcast.net> That was what was going through my mind. - Jim Tonne W4ENE On 2/14/2016 12:57 PM, John Lyles wrote: > BTA 1R1 is not a rare transmitter, and can often be gotten for free or for a few hundred bills surplus from broadcasters. Is there something magical or special restoration that warrants this extreme asking price?? > Or maybe an extra zero was inserted, a typo? > From paul at paulbaldock.com Mon Feb 15 12:35:07 2016 From: paul at paulbaldock.com (Paul Baldock) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 09:35:07 -0800 Subject: [AMRadio] AM QSO party this coming weekend In-Reply-To: <56C0C354.8@Comcast.net> References: <40CB303E-50EB-4770-A29E-E31721A2E3AC@vla.com> <56C0C354.8@Comcast.net> Message-ID: It's the AM QSO party this coming weekend. Here's the info http://www.antiquewireless.org/awa-amplitude-modulation-qso-party.html. For some reason it does not show 15M or 10M operation which is weird. - Paul KW7Y --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From ne1s at securespeed.us Mon Feb 15 14:54:54 2016 From: ne1s at securespeed.us (Larry Szendrei) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 14:54:54 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] AM QSO party this coming weekend In-Reply-To: <20160215173602.8BAF9149B2F6@mailman.qth.net> References: <40CB303E-50EB-4770-A29E-E31721A2E3AC@vla.com> <56C0C354.8@Comcast.net> <20160215173602.8BAF9149B2F6@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <56C22D0E.90309@securespeed.us> On 2/15/16 12:35 PM, Paul Baldock wrote: > > It's the AM QSO party this coming weekend. > > Here's the info > http://www.antiquewireless.org/awa-amplitude-modulation-qso-party.html. For > some reason it does not show 15M or 10M operation which is weird. > > - Paul KW7Y > I'll be operating with the W2AN callsign on 75M (and possibly 80M) for this event. If you're interested in maximizing your points in this event (some are, many aren't), you'll want to work W2AN on at least one band. Even if you're not into that aspect, I'll be looking forward to talking with as many of you as possible next weekend. For those if you unfamiliar with this QSO Party, it doesn't "feel" like a contest. QSO's are typically leisurely, like most AM QSOs are, and usually go well beyond the "required" exchange of callsign, name, and location. Many times a roundtable develops and people hang around for quite a while. It's mainly just an excuse to get on AM and have some fun, but with an emphasis on older gear. But older gear is not required to participate or even to "win," if you're of that mindset. 73, -Larry/NE1S From collinsradio at comcast.net Wed Feb 17 07:52:54 2016 From: collinsradio at comcast.net (David Knepper) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 07:52:54 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Test Message-ID: <8930FC460AFC4F36910521340615524B@DavidPC> --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From kenw8ek at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 11:39:41 2016 From: kenw8ek at gmail.com (Ken, W8EK) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2016 11:39:41 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Power Supplies FS Message-ID: <56C896CD.4010408@gmail.com> Power Supplies For Sale: These are all power supplies that produce in the neighborhood of 13.8 Volts DC, unless listed otherwise. All are regulated. Icom PS-30 Deluxe Power Supply: The Icom PS-30 power supply delivers 13.8 VDC at up to 25 amps. This power supply features a large lighted meter which can be set to display amperage or voltage. Four outputs are provided on the rear panel. Output 1 is a hard wired, high amperage cable with the Icom standard 6 pin Molex plug. Outputs 2, 3 and 4 provide lower current outputs. This switching power supply has a snap-out tilt bracket, and is 9.5 x 5 x 12.5 inches. This one works 100% and looks very close to new. With paper work for $175. Astron RS-20 A, 20 amp Power Supply: The Astron RS-20 A is a very common power supply around most ham shacks. It provides 13 V DC for many ham rigs. Features: Solid State Electronically Regulated Fold-Back Current Limiting Protects Power Supply from ...excessive current & continuous shorted output Crowbar Over Voltage Protection Excellent Regulation & Low Ripple at low line input voltage. Heavy Duty Heat Sink Chassis Mount Fuse Three Conductor Power Cord Specifications: Input Voltage 105-125Vac Output Voltage 13.8Vdc (internally Adjustable 11-15V) Ripple Less than 5mV peak-peak (full load & low line) Continuous Duty 16 Amps; ICS 20 Amps Size 5" x 9" x 10-1/2" This particular supply works great. It only varies 0.01 Volts with a load! Cosmetically it looks great. With paper work for only $65. Astron RS-20 M Same characteristics as the RS-20 A, above, but has added voltmeter and ammeter. With paper work for $90. Pyramid Phase III, PS-35 G: This power supply will furnish up to 35 amps. The voltage is front panel adjustable from 4.5 to 15 V DC. It includes a front panel ammeter and a voltmeter, and has many extra protection features. It would be ideal for a high current bench supply, as well as for a rig. $100 Very heavy duty homebrew supply This power supply is a real brute. It is well regulated, and has locking trimpots on the front panel for fine adjustment of voltage (from about 10 to 15 volts), and also to set the voltage where the over voltage protection kicks in. There is a large voltmeter and separate ammeter on the front panel, with pilot lights for AC power, DC power, and one for when the over voltage protection activates. As I said this is a brute. It has a very large transformer, and three HUGE capacitors, among other things. The output pass transistors are five 2N3771's on a very large heat sink. The output is fused at 30 amps, but the supply is probably good for at least 45 amps, if not more. This unit weighs over 35 pounds, and is about 8 inches wide, 6 inches high, and 16 inches deep. It works great. Cosmetically, the builder used nice lettering on the front panel, but the heavy steel case has been reused. It does not look bad, but it is not 100% professional. Buy this brute for only $100. Staco RPS-6, 6 amp regulated power supply Ideal for 25 watt VHF or dual band rigs. $30 Stinger 6 amp regulated power supply Similar to RPS-6 above. $30 EVG Model 10-395, 4 amp power supply $28 Micronta 22-120A Rated at 2.5 amps, it is well regulated. The case is a heat sink. $30 Homebrew Power Supply This power supply is in a very nice gray and black enclosure and is good for about 1.5 amps. $15 Kepco Variable Bench Power Supply: This is an ideal bench power supply! It is a Kepco Model ABC 40-0.5, which means that it will produce from zero up to 40 V DC at up to 1/2 amp. Great for the bench. The voltage is adjustable with a 10 turn pot from close to zero, up to about 40 volts. There is a fairly large analog meter that reads the voltage. There is also current limiting built in that is adjustable from about 100 ma to up to about 700 ma. The same meter that reads voltage can be switched to read current, or short circuit current (the point that the current limit is set). In addition, there are connections on the back to allow remote sensing and remote programming. This is a quality regulated power supply! This particular unit works 100%, and looks extremely nice. Only $85. Prices do not include shipping from Florida. I also have many other accessories available such as many different types of microphones, HTs, HF, VHF and UHF rigs, HF and VHF/UHF antennas, etc. Just too many to list here. Please e-mail your requests. Thanks. 73, Ken, W8EK Ken Simpson E-mail to W8EK at FLHam.net or W8EK at arrl.net Voice Phone (352) 732-8400 From ne1s at securespeed.us Sat Feb 20 11:54:59 2016 From: ne1s at securespeed.us (Larry Szendrei) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2016 11:54:59 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] [AWA Group] Re: TNT Woes In-Reply-To: <56C89362.5060800@securespeed.us> References: <448430648.5375849.1455671475710.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <448430648.5375849.1455671475710.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <56C4B560.5070006@securespeed.us> <006801d16a46$d6994940$83cbdbc0$@bresnan.net> <56C686B9.9050903@n1bug.com> <56C89362.5060800@securespeed.us> Message-ID: <56C89A63.9060508@securespeed.us> Just a reminder that the Antique Wireless Association AM QSO Party will start tonight (Saturday) at 2300Z (6PM EST) and will run until the same time tomorrow evening. Details at: http://www.antiquewireless.org/awa-amplitude-modulation-qso-party.html I'll be operating as flagship station W2AN on 75M. Look for me tonight between 3880-3890, and tomorrow from 4PM-6PM I'll be running the AWA Sunday PM AM net on 3837KHz as W2AN. I'd prefer to operate down on the 80M potion of the band - there's a lot more space down there - but that would leave out all the General class ops. I hope to talk to many of you this weekend! 73, -Larry/NE1S From ne1s at securespeed.us Sat Feb 20 12:08:20 2016 From: ne1s at securespeed.us (Larry Szendrei) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2016 12:08:20 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] AWA AM QSO Party In-Reply-To: <56C89A63.9060508@securespeed.us> References: <448430648.5375849.1455671475710.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <448430648.5375849.1455671475710.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <56C4B560.5070006@securespeed.us> <006801d16a46$d6994940$83cbdbc0$@bresnan.net> <56C686B9.9050903@n1bug.com> <56C89362.5060800@securespeed.us> <56C89A63.9060508@securespeed.us> Message-ID: <56C89D84.6000603@securespeed.us> Re-posting with an appropriate subject line this time (sorry 'bout that!): Just a reminder that the Antique Wireless Association AM QSO Party will start tonight (Saturday) at 2300Z (6PM EST) and will run until the same time tomorrow evening. Details at: http://www.antiquewireless.org/awa-amplitude-modulation-qso-party.html I'll be operating as flagship station W2AN on 75M. Look for me tonight between 3880-3890, and tomorrow from 4PM-6PM I'll be running the AWA Sunday PM AM net on 3837KHz as W2AN. I'd prefer to operate down on the 80M potion of the band - there's a lot more space down there - but that would leave out all the General class ops. I hope to talk to many of you this weekend! 73, -Larry/NE1S > From paul at paulbaldock.com Sat Feb 20 12:34:35 2016 From: paul at paulbaldock.com (Paul Baldock) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2016 09:34:35 -0800 Subject: [AMRadio] AWA AM QSO Party In-Reply-To: <56C89D84.6000603@securespeed.us> References: <448430648.5375849.1455671475710.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <448430648.5375849.1455671475710.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <56C4B560.5070006@securespeed.us> <006801d16a46$d6994940$83cbdbc0$@bresnan.net> <56C686B9.9050903@n1bug.com> <56C89362.5060800@securespeed.us> <56C89A63.9060508@securespeed.us> <56C89D84.6000603@securespeed.us> Message-ID: I know the rules say 160 through 20, but I'll be on 15 and 10 also and hope you will ALSO. - Paul At 09:08 AM 2/20/2016, Larry Szendrei wrote: >Re-posting with an appropriate subject line this time (sorry 'bout that!): > >Just a reminder that the Antique Wireless Association AM QSO Party >will start tonight (Saturday) at 2300Z (6PM EST) and will run until >the same time tomorrow evening. > >Details at: >http://www.antiquewireless.org/awa-amplitude-modulation-qso-party.html > >I'll be operating as flagship station W2AN on 75M. Look for me >tonight between 3880-3890, and tomorrow from 4PM-6PM I'll be running >the AWA Sunday PM AM net on 3837KHz as W2AN. > >I'd prefer to operate down on the 80M potion of the band - there's a >lot more space down there - but that would leave out all the General class ops. > >I hope to talk to many of you this weekend! > >73, >-Larry/NE1S > >______________________________________________________________ >Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >AMRadio mailing list >Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ >List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net >To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with >the word unsubscribe in the message body. > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to paul at paulbaldock.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 13:27:57 2016 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 12:27:57 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Broadcast rigs on eBay Message-ID: Not cheap but I fear they'll wind up in a landfill: Southern Calif: http://www.ebay.com/itm/HARRIS-GATES-1000-WATT-RADIO-TRANSMITTER-HAM-RADIO-TRANSMITTING-EQUIPMENT-/281941365721 Texas: http://www.ebay.com/itm/McMartin-BA-1K-Radio-Transmitter-/222031519478 Just FYI for anyone with a truck looking for a 1 KW rig. 73 Rob K5UJ From k4kyv at charter.net Tue Feb 23 19:39:49 2016 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:39:49 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Broadcast rigs on eBay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000f01d16e9b$de230bc0$9a692340$@charter.net> > Not cheap but I fear they'll wind up in a landfill: At least they listed them on ePay, where someone who's actually interested might see it. I missed out by a few months on a mint condition BC1-F transmitter at a station about 40 miles from here. They listed its availability on Facebook, and their only taker was a local resident who wanted to re-purpose the cabinet to make a tool closet for his workshop. All the inner components were removed and the station owner sent them to a near-by metal recycler. If my timing had been right, they probably would have given me the iron and other components for hauling it away, and the other guy would have been welcome to have the cabinet. Facebook and Craig's List are probably the most unlikely media for finding someone interested in something like vintage radio equipment. I'm sure if they had listed it on ePay, or in some of the Broadcast or Amateur Radio forums they would have found plenty of takers, and someone might have even paid them some money for the transmitter. I'm surprised that the owners of a radio station didn't know any better. Don k4kyv From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 19:59:12 2016 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:59:12 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Fwd: ARLB007 FCC Invites Comments on ARRL Petition That Seeks 80/75 Meter Adjustments Message-ID: In case you don't get the ARRL's emailed notices.... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- SB QST @ ARL $ARLB007 ARLB007 FCC Invites Comments on ARRL Petition That Seeks 80/75 Meter Adjustments ZCZC AG07 QST de W1AW ARRL Bulletin 7 ARLB007 >From ARRL Headquarters Newington CT February 23, 2016 To all radio amateurs SB QST ARL ARLB007 ARLB007 FCC Invites Comments on ARRL Petition That Seeks 80/75 Meter Adjustments The FCC has put the ARRL's January Petition for Rule Making (RM 11759 - found on the web at, http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/comment/view?id=60001374190 ) on public notice and invited interested parties to comment on what the League has called "minimal but necessary changes" to 80 and 75 meters. The ARRL petitioned the FCC to fix a "shortfall in available RTTY/data spectrum" that the Commission created when it reapportioned 80 and 75 meters 10 years ago. The League's petition asked the FCC to shift the boundary between the 80 meter RTTY/data subband and the 75 meter phone/image subband from 3600 kHz to 3650 kHz. The proposed change received strong support from ARRL members, and the ARRL Board of Directors adopted it as policy at its July 2015 meeting. At that time the Board also agreed to seek RTTY and data privileges for Novice and Technician licensees within their current 15 meter CW subband, and to do the same on 80 meters, depending on the outcome of the 80/75 meter subband revision. The petition asks the FCC to make the following changes to the Part 97 Amateur Radio Service rules, with respect to 80/75 meters: * Modify the RTTY/data subband, so that it extends from 3500 kHz to 3650 kHz. * Modify the phone/image subband, so that it extends from 3650 kHz to 4000 kHz. * Make 3600-3650 kHz available for General and Advanced Class licensees, as was the case prior to 2006. * Make 3600-3650 kHz available to Novice and Technician licensees for telegraphy - consistent with existing rules permitting Novices and Technicians to operate CW in the 80, 40, and 15 meter General and Advanced RTTY/data subbands. * Modify the rules governing automatically controlled digital stations (ACDS), to shift the ACDS segment from 3585-3600 kHz to 3600-3615 kHz, consistent with the IARU Region 1 and 2 band plans. According to the ARRL, the FCC R&O in Docket 04-140 released in 2006 departed substantially and without justification from the rules proposed in the FCC's so-called "Omnibus" Notice of Proposed Rule Making (NPRM), with respect to 75 and 80 meters. Among other actions, the resulting changes expanded voice privileges on additional frequencies in various bands, including 75 meters. The FCC shifted the phone/image subband from 3750-4000 kHz to 3600-4000 kHz, trimming the 80 meter RTTY/data subband from 3500-3750 kHz to 3500-3600 kHz and substantially changing "the entire dynamic of this band," the League said. Although the Omnibus R&O had indicated that incumbent licensees would not lose any operating privileges, some clearly did, the ARRL has pointed out. The most substantial adverse effect of the "unexpected and vast expansion" of the 75 meter phone/image subband, the League said, was the elimination of access to 3620-3635 kHz by ACDS. The Omnibus R&O rule changes limited 80 meters to 3500-3600 kHz, and no longer authorized RTTY and data emissions above 3600 kHz. That the Omnibus R&O did not modify Part 97.221 of the rules to provide for ACDS "was clearly an oversight by the Commission." After the FCC denied a subsequent ARRL Petition for Reconsideration, the Commission replaced the inadvertently deleted 3620-3635 kHz ACDS segment with 3585-3600 kHz. "Far from fixing the problem created by the error in the Omnibus R&O, the moving of the inadvertently deleted digital subband downward in frequency below 3600 kHz made the situation in the 80 meter RTTY/data subband even worse than it was," the ARRL said. The result has been a shortfall in available RTTY/data spectrum at 80 meters. "ARRL has analyzed the regulatory limitations as part of a comprehensive effort to make more efficient the use of those HF allocations, especially with respect to encouraging further experimentation and proficiency in narrowband digital communications technologies," the League said in concluding its Petition. "The recommendations for modified band plans developed by ARRL necessitate the few, but important regulatory changes proposed." NNNN /EX Rob K5UJ From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 20:16:08 2016 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 19:16:08 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Broadcast rigs on eBay In-Reply-To: <000f01d16e9b$de230bc0$9a692340$@charter.net> References: <000f01d16e9b$de230bc0$9a692340$@charter.net> Message-ID: It amazes me when I hear about gear available on Craig's list. It will be some item of interest to 0.000001% of the population and it is on some general for sale forum where people sell excess buckets of asphalt sealer. There may be 3 people in the whole U.S. who want to buy it but they'll never know about it because it is on Craig's list in Mt. Vernon IL or North Platte. Really a shame. 73 Rob K5UJ From k4kyv at charter.net Wed Feb 24 00:38:59 2016 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 23:38:59 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Fwd: ARLB007 FCC Invites Comments on ARRL Petition That Seeks 80/75 Meter Adjustments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000401d16ec5$a9413290$fbc397b0$@charter.net> This public notice was released on 22 February. Interested persons may file statements opposing or supporting the Petition within 30 days. Copy and paste the full link into your address bar if truncated with an extraneous line break. http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2016/db0222/DOC-3378 38A1.pdf Here's a link to Proceeding 04-140, dated 10/04/2006, the original Report and Order that expanded the phone band down to 3600 kHz. http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/comment/view?id=5513680269 Reviewing this may be useful for filing comments, for example, in opposition based on the FCC's original line of reasoning, basically saying they acted correctly the first time and that there is no evidence that anything has changed since then to the contrary. I would urge everyone to spread the word as much as possible and file statements to the FCC, since too many hams, AMers included, pay little attention to announcements like these until after the fact and they suddenly find themselves adversely affected. Don k4kyv From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 06:14:31 2016 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 05:14:31 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] News of broadcast preservation effort but not for gear unfortunately Message-ID: Someone woke up and realized the change of station ownership rules and ownership had unintended consequences regarding the disposition of station property, and decided to do something about it. Too bad the focus is on records and recordings and not equipment as well: http://www.radioworld.com/article/christopher-sterling-better-late-than-never-to-save-americas-radio-heritage/278178 Rob K5UJ From ranickel at comcast.net Wed Feb 24 11:02:25 2016 From: ranickel at comcast.net (Robert Nickels) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 10:02:25 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] News of broadcast preservation effort but not for gear unfortunately In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56CDD411.5080404@comcast.net> On 2/24/2016 5:14 AM, Rob Atkinson wrote: > Too bad the focus is on records and recordings and not equipment as well All the above should be preserved. While this may be more interesting to Rob and others in our area, the city of Pontiac in central Illinois features four free museums, including one on Route 66 history and another featuring the namesake automobile. The museums are great, but to my surprise on the 2nd floor of the Route 66 museum which is in the old fire station, there's a completely restored 1960's vintage radio studio! This is the result of one local man - the former owner of the local radio station - to preserve this history. He's not a ham but shares the same passion for this gear - I've exchanged email with him, and will paste his comments below: --- "My name is Lane Lindstrom, I'm a broadcast engineer and was one of the former owners of the radio stations in Pontiac. I also collect way too much vintage radio station gear, from consoles, cart machines to transmitters. The display I put together was to replicate an AM station circa 1966. It started with the full restoration of the Gateway 5133 console from 1957 and it progressed to that with the first run set of ATC Criterian cart machines made down in Bloomington at the time. The studio is functional and I have never gotten around to putting in a RPU transmitter so it could be used on the local radio station for shows about the museum. I think the only thing out of place is the Crown amplifier used as a monitor amp. The Gates amp was giving me problems after intalling and I never got around to pulling it out and repairing it." --- It is a very cool display and I'd urge anyone making a trip through central Illinois to plan to spend some time in Pontiac. Is anyone aware of any other similar broadcast displays, outside of dedicated radio museums? I don't remember seeing anything like this even at the Museum of Broadcast Communications in Chicago, which is also more aimed at program content. I've suggested in the past that it would be great if someone could set up a non-profit group that could act as a repository for old broadcast equipment as station owners would probably rather have even a small tax deduction than a large headache from having to dispose of the stuff. 73, Bob W9RAN From jcandela at prodigy.net Wed Feb 24 16:05:24 2016 From: jcandela at prodigy.net (Jim Candela) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 21:05:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] The Future Of AM Broadcast Radio References: <94289765.9219627.1456347924673.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <94289765.9219627.1456347924673.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> There is an interesting in the current edition of Electronic Design dot com about the future of AM Radio. The Future of AM Radio | ? | | ? | | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | | The Future of AM RadioCan you believe AM radio is still around? Seems so retro, but it is still useful. Nevertheless, AM radio has been in decline for years, with many AM stations going ... | | | | View on electronicdesign.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | ? | One comment at the end struck me. This was from Don Tuite2: "It's more about revenue models than modulation. Circa 1975, I supplemented my free-lance tech-writing with a part-timeDJ gig as the bridge DJ between the morning-drive and nighttime jocks at a 5-kW am directional (with fm simulcast). I'd play the 45s the program director picked out for me, punched up the carts with the long-running ads, read the one-shot ads the station copywriter typed up, pulled the hourly news off the teletype, taped the feed from Paul Harvey, all for minimum wage. That's not to complain about how underpaid I was, but to point out how many jobs that pipsqueak operation in a couple of rooms over a candy store: a GM, a couple salesmen, a copywriter, a part-time engineer, 3 DJs, and a admin. And it made money for the license-owner. And most of the ads were local. And, when there was a high school basketball game we could get a telco feed from, the night DJ would have a couple of hours of light duty reading the local commercials while one of the salesmen called the play-by-play and interviewed the coaches during halftimes. Today, local am is all automated with canned feeds from some common source in Texas. Or Mars, or somewhere. One salesperson can service half a state. Meanwhile the people in the larger demographics are streaming custom content and paying for it directly. See what you've done, Lou. . . you've made me nostalgic for CONELRAD alerts." JimWd5JKO From w5jo at brightok.net Wed Feb 24 16:33:18 2016 From: w5jo at brightok.net (w5jo at brightok.net) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:33:18 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] The Future Of AM Broadcast Radio In-Reply-To: <94289765.9219627.1456347924673.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <94289765.9219627.1456347924673.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <94289765.9219627.1456347924673.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Up in North central Texas and Southern Oklahoma I have see a shift from all automated, canned programming to quite a bit of local programming and record spinning. There is a 1KW station in Sherman/Dennison that is locally owned and operated by the owner. He must do most of the record playing, news and still sweeps out. His programming is an eclectic mix of old R&R along with some late big band. In Gainesville, TX the local 250 watter plays similar music, but more R&R. Then up in Durant, OK the 5 KW station on 750 plays R&R from the mid 60s up through the 70s. Over in Madill is a 250 watt station that does a nice mix of R&R along with some old country utilizing local talent, also one in Shawnee, OK and Decatur, TX . Most all of these stations, save the Sherman one, have switched to their format in the past couple of years or so. All the them are like you describe part of the day, Jim, and fun to monitor. I keep one or the other playing all day long, except for the Decatur station which is a bit far for my set, that is until the sun dogs get them. This action by the FCC seems to have worked to some degree https://www.fcc.gov/document/commission-adopts-nprm-revitalize-am-broadcast-radio-service and being an old DJ, part time engineer, news reader and commercial writer/recorder, I hope they continue to provide entertainment to the masses. AM/FM radio, to this day reaches 95% of individuals. Jim W5JO -----Original Message----- There is an interesting in the current edition of Electronic Design dot com about the future of AM Radio. The Future of AM Radio | | | | | | | | | | | The Future of AM RadioCan you believe AM radio is still around? Seems so retro, but it is still useful. Nevertheless, AM radio has been in decline for years, with many AM stations going ... | | | | View on electronicdesign.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | One comment at the end struck me. This was from Don Tuite2: "It's more about revenue models than modulation. Circa 1975, I supplemented my free-lance tech-writing with a part-timeDJ gig as the bridge DJ between the morning-drive and nighttime jocks at a 5-kW am directional (with fm simulcast). I'd play the 45s the program director picked out for me, punched up the carts with the long-running ads, read the one-shot ads the station copywriter typed up, pulled the hourly news off the teletype, taped the feed from Paul Harvey, all for minimum wage. That's not to complain about how underpaid I was, but to point out how many jobs that pipsqueak operation in a couple of rooms over a candy store: a GM, a couple salesmen, a copywriter, a part-time engineer, 3 DJs, and a admin. And it made money for the license-owner. And most of the ads were local. And, when there was a high school basketball game we could get a telco feed from, the night DJ would have a couple of hours of light duty reading the local commercials while one of the salesmen called the play-by-play and interviewed the coaches during halftimes. Today, local am is all automated with canned feeds from some common source in Texas. Or Mars, or somewhere. One salesperson can service half a state. Meanwhile the people in the larger demographics are streaming custom content and paying for it directly. See what you've done, Lou. . . you've made me nostalgic for CONELRAD alerts." 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This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w5jo at brightok.net From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 17:02:54 2016 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 16:02:54 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Petition to FCC for Lifetime licenses Message-ID: It's like the docket of the month days again: http://www.arrl.org/news/fcc-seeks-comments-on-petition-to-grant-lifetime-amateur-radio-licenses Rob K5UJ From bguyger at yahoo.com Wed Feb 24 17:05:40 2016 From: bguyger at yahoo.com (Bill Guyger) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 22:05:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] The Future Of AM Broadcast Radio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <651542979.2069353.1456351540927.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Love the mom and pop locals! Maybe things are going to be looking up in the bigs too. After the Dickeys got the boot from Cumulus (except for one that's still on the board but divorced from day to day operations)?more programming is?being put?in the hands of local PD's rather than corporate programming in Atlanta telling the station in Moose Mange, Montana that they have to play the same songs that play well in New York city. Bill AD5OL From: "w5jo at brightok.net" To: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The Future Of AM Broadcast Radio Up in North central Texas and Southern Oklahoma I have see a shift from all automated, canned programming to quite a bit of local programming and record spinning.? There is a 1KW station in Sherman/Dennison that is locally owned and operated by the owner.? He must do most of the record playing, news and still sweeps out.? His programming is an eclectic mix of old R&R along with some late big band.? In Gainesville, TX the local 250 watter plays similar music, but more R&R.? Then up in Durant, OK the 5 KW station on 750? plays R&R from the mid 60s up through the 70s. Over in Madill is a 250 watt station that does a nice mix of R&R along with some old country utilizing local talent, also one in Shawnee, OK and Decatur, TX .? Most all of these stations, save the Sherman one, have switched to their format in the past couple of years or so.? All the them are like you describe part of the day, Jim, and fun to monitor.? I keep one or the other playing all day long, except for the Decatur station which is a bit far for my set, that is until the sun dogs get them. This action by the FCC seems to have worked to some degree https://www.fcc.gov/document/commission-adopts-nprm-revitalize-am-broadcast-radio-service and being an old DJ, part time engineer, news reader and commercial writer/recorder, I hope they continue to provide entertainment to the masses.? AM/FM radio, to this day reaches 95% of individuals. Jim W5JO -----Original Message----- There is an interesting in the current edition of Electronic Design dot com about the future of AM Radio. The Future of AM Radio |? | |? |? |? |? |? |? |? | | The Future of AM RadioCan you believe AM radio is still around? Seems so retro, but it is still useful. Nevertheless, AM radio has been in decline for years, with many AM stations going ... | |? | | View on electronicdesign.com | Preview by Yahoo | |? | |? | One comment at the end struck me. This was from Don Tuite2: "It's more about revenue models than modulation. Circa 1975, I supplemented my free-lance tech-writing with a part-timeDJ gig as the bridge DJ between the morning-drive and nighttime jocks at a 5-kW am directional (with fm simulcast). I'd play the 45s the program director picked out for me, punched up the carts with the long-running ads, read the one-shot ads the station copywriter typed up, pulled the hourly news off the teletype, taped the feed from Paul Harvey, all for minimum wage. That's not to complain about how underpaid I was, but to point out how many jobs that pipsqueak operation in a couple of rooms over a candy store: a GM, a couple salesmen, a copywriter, a part-time engineer, 3 DJs, and a admin. And it made money for the license-owner. And most of the ads were local. And, when there was a high school basketball game we could get a telco feed from, the night DJ would have a couple of hours of light duty reading the local commercials while one of the salesmen called the play-by-play and interviewed the coaches during halftimes. Today, local am is all automated with canned feeds from some common source in Texas. Or Mars, or somewhere. One salesperson can service half a state. Meanwhile the people in the larger demographics are streaming custom content and paying for it directly. See what you've done, Lou. . . you've made me nostalgic for CONELRAD alerts." JimWd5JKO ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net/ AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. 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This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net/ Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to bguyger at yahoo.com From k4kyv at charter.net Wed Feb 24 17:44:03 2016 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 16:44:03 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Petition to FCC for Lifetime licenses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000a01d16f54$dc69c3f0$953d4bd0$@charter.net> I can't see that it's all that much of a hassle to renew once every 10 years, especially now that it can be done electronically with a few taps on a keyboard, and there's no longer any licence fee, even with a so-called vanity callsign. If you are a member, ARRL even sends you a reminder in the mail with a form to fill in and place in a return envelope, and they claim they will submit it to the FCC for you. The problem I see with the lifetime ticket is that the dead-wood will just keep on piling up as more and more once-active hams eventually lose interest. Plus, when an inactive ham who took out a ticket decades ago finally passes, who is going to notify the FCC that his "lifetime" has expired? We already have plenty of paper-hams and cyber-hams in the data base; they may already be the majority of the reported 700,000-plus licensees. When the FCC discontinued the 1st Class Phone ticket and replaced it with that ugly yellow "General Radiotelephone" thing, and then made it valid for life, the value of the ticket dropped to almost zero, hardly worth the cheap paper it's printed on. Now, the ham ticket is no longer even printed on cheap paper; it's merely a number in the FCC data base unless one requests a paper copy, and I'd almost bet that in a few years the FCC will discontinue the hard-copy option to further cut expenses. Don k4kyv From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 19:00:04 2016 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 18:00:04 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Petition to FCC for Lifetime licenses In-Reply-To: <000a01d16f54$dc69c3f0$953d4bd0$@charter.net> References: <000a01d16f54$dc69c3f0$953d4bd0$@charter.net> Message-ID: Further, there is no equivalence between the GROL which is an operator license (sort of) and a ham license which is partly a station license in the sense that it is tied to a location. If anything I think we should still have to renew every 5 years. That kept hams filing address updates. Yes, the law says they have to anyway, but how many comply if they don't have to renew as often? There was a time when you signed an agreement, to renew your _grant_ (a license is a GRANT, at least at one time the reverse of the license said "Conditions of Grant"). The agreement stipulated a certain level of activity, and adherence to law. I don't think that should be a one-time deal. If a person loses interest and can't be bothered with renewal and a new commitment, then his ticket should lapse. It is not the same thing as getting a social security number. Rob K5UJ On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Donald Chester wrote: > I can't see that it's all that much of a hassle to renew once every 10 > years, especially now that it can be done electronically with a few taps on > a keyboard, and there's no longer any licence fee, even with a so-called > vanity callsign. If you are a member, ARRL even sends you a reminder in the > mail with a form to fill in and place in a return envelope, and they claim > they will submit it to the FCC for you. > > The problem I see with the lifetime ticket is that the dead-wood will just > keep on piling up as more and more once-active hams eventually lose > interest. Plus, when an inactive ham who took out a ticket decades ago > finally passes, who is going to notify the FCC that his "lifetime" has > expired? We already have plenty of paper-hams and cyber-hams in the data > base; they may already be the majority of the reported 700,000-plus > licensees. > > When the FCC discontinued the 1st Class Phone ticket and replaced it with > that ugly yellow "General Radiotelephone" thing, and then made it valid for > life, the value of the ticket dropped to almost zero, hardly worth the cheap > paper it's printed on. Now, the ham ticket is no longer even printed on > cheap paper; it's merely a number in the FCC data base unless one requests > a paper copy, and I'd almost bet that in a few years the FCC will > discontinue the hard-copy option to further cut expenses. > From k4kyv at charter.net Wed Feb 24 19:16:08 2016 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 18:16:08 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] The Future Of AM Broadcast Radio In-Reply-To: References: <94289765.9219627.1456347924673.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <94289765.9219627.1456347924673.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000e01d16f61$b9c8a3e0$2d59eba0$@charter.net> > This action by the FCC seems to have worked to some degree > > https://www.fcc.gov/document/commission-adopts-nprm-revitalize-am- > broadcast-radio-service > > and being an old DJ, part time engineer, news reader and commercial > writer/recorder, I hope they continue to provide entertainment to the > masses. AM/FM radio, to this day reaches 95% of individuals. > > Jim > W5JO But I don't see that re-transmitting the signal on FM via "translators" is doing anything to "revitalize" the AM band. Don k4kyv From w5jo at brightok.net Wed Feb 24 19:26:49 2016 From: w5jo at brightok.net (w5jo at brightok.net) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 18:26:49 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] The Future Of AM Broadcast Radio In-Reply-To: <000e01d16f61$b9c8a3e0$2d59eba0$@charter.net> References: <94289765.9219627.1456347924673.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <94289765.9219627.1456347924673.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <000e01d16f61$b9c8a3e0$2d59eba0$@charter.net> Message-ID: I think it has to do with cleaning the trash out of the band. In the small town where I reside, the trash on the AM band from computers and the cable TV is horrendous. I hope the do get tough on that. Jim W5JO -----Original Message----- But I don't see that re-transmitting the signal on FM via "translators" is doing anything to "revitalize" the AM band. Don k4kyv From Tonne at Comcast.net Wed Feb 24 19:44:47 2016 From: Tonne at Comcast.net (Jim Tonne) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 19:44:47 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] The Future Of AM Broadcast Radio In-Reply-To: <000e01d16f61$b9c8a3e0$2d59eba0$@charter.net> References: <94289765.9219627.1456347924673.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <94289765.9219627.1456347924673.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <000e01d16f61$b9c8a3e0$2d59eba0$@charter.net> Message-ID: <56CE4E7F.3030609@Comcast.net> Don K4KYV wrote: >But I don't see that re-transmitting the signal on FM via "translators" is doing anything to "revitalize" the AM band. And I certainly agree !! If anything it is totally counter productive in that it draws listeners AWAY from AM. - JimT From donroden at hiwaay.net Wed Feb 24 22:47:33 2016 From: donroden at hiwaay.net (donroden at hiwaay.net) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 21:47:33 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] The Future Of AM Broadcast Radio In-Reply-To: <000e01d16f61$b9c8a3e0$2d59eba0$@charter.net> References: <94289765.9219627.1456347924673.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <94289765.9219627.1456347924673.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <000e01d16f61$b9c8a3e0$2d59eba0$@charter.net> Message-ID: <20160224214733.123423t4kcutr8lx@webmail.hiwaay.net> It revitalizes the wallets of current translator owners.. Asking pries are in the $100,000 ranges. Don W4DNR Quoting Donald Chester : > But I don't see that re-transmitting the signal on FM via "translators" is > doing anything to "revitalize" the AM band. > > Don k4kyv From mjcal77 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 25 08:37:42 2016 From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 13:37:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] The Future Of AM Broadcast Radio + 1 References: <923911286.10398495.1456407462025.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <923911286.10398495.1456407462025.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> If you really want any eye opener on just how the government can control a business, do research on starting your own commercial shortwave BC station. The days of a place to put an antenna and shack to put a transmitter in with an attached studio are long gone, initial investments can exceed several hundred thousand not including the TX and tower, the FCC reviews all plans including the handicap parking places, then throw in the fact that after reviewing the station format, the FCC may not grant you a license. Charlie, W4MEC in NC From w5jo at brightok.net Thu Feb 25 08:59:05 2016 From: w5jo at brightok.net (w5jo at brightok.net) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 07:59:05 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] The Future Of AM Broadcast Radio + 1 In-Reply-To: <923911286.10398495.1456407462025.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <923911286.10398495.1456407462025.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <923911286.10398495.1456407462025.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0FB2480D2701494CBDAAC71D5FDB7A61@JimPC> Some of the SW BC stations have turned in their license and have gone to streaming. 3 phase 480 is not cheap for a 10 KW station, nor is maintenance for the TX and associated equipment. I can't help but wonder how much longer some of the satellite channels will be around? They are faced with a similar situation and if times get tough, they will have a hard time finding those per inquiry ads. Jim W5JO -----Original Message----- If you really want any eye opener on just how the government can control a business, do research on starting your own commercial shortwave BC station. The days of a place to put an antenna and shack to put a transmitter in with an attached studio are long gone, initial investments can exceed several hundred thousand not including the TX and tower, the FCC reviews all plans including the handicap parking places, then throw in the fact that after reviewing the station format, the FCC may not grant you a license. Charlie, W4MEC in NC From k9cox at charter.net Thu Feb 25 09:36:20 2016 From: k9cox at charter.net (Ross Stenberg) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 08:36:20 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] The Future Of AM Broadcast Radio + 1 In-Reply-To: <923911286.10398495.1456407462025.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <923911286.10398495.1456407462025.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <923911286.10398495.1456407462025.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You can?t say handicap anymore. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: CL in NC via AMRadio Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 7:38 AM To: amradio at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The Future Of AM Broadcast Radio + 1 If you really want any eye opener on just how the government can control a business, do research on starting your own commercial shortwave BC station. The days of a place to put an antenna and shack to put a transmitter in with an attached studio are long gone, initial investments can exceed several hundred thousand not including the TX and tower, the FCC reviews all plans including the handicap parking places, then throw in the fact that after reviewing the station format, the FCC may not grant you a license. Charlie, W4MEC in NC ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9cox at charter.net From oldradio at comcast.net Thu Feb 25 09:44:39 2016 From: oldradio at comcast.net (oldradio at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 14:44:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] The Future Of AM Broadcast Radio + 1 In-Reply-To: References: <923911286.10398495.1456407462025.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <923911286.10398495.1456407462025.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1621924700.9844416.1456411479878.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Well! I have an official NJ State ID card and a window hanging tag for my car that says I'm handicapped. (NO comments from the Peanut Gallery, please. I know my limitations. :-) 73, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Stenberg" To: "CL in NC via AMRadio" Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 9:36:20 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The Future Of AM Broadcast Radio + 1 You can?t say handicap anymore. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: CL in NC via AMRadio Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 7:38 AM To: amradio at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The Future Of AM Broadcast Radio + 1 If you really want any eye opener on just how the government can control a business, do research on starting your own commercial shortwave BC station. The days of a place to put an antenna and shack to put a transmitter in with an attached studio are long gone, initial investments can exceed several hundred thousand not including the TX and tower, the FCC reviews all plans including the handicap parking places, then throw in the fact that after reviewing the station format, the FCC may not grant you a license. Charlie, W4MEC in NC ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. 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This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to oldradio at comcast.net From ranickel at comcast.net Thu Feb 25 10:31:58 2016 From: ranickel at comcast.net (Robert Nickels) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 09:31:58 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] The Future Of AM Broadcast Radio + 1 In-Reply-To: <923911286.10398495.1456407462025.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <923911286.10398495.1456407462025.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <923911286.10398495.1456407462025.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <56CF1E6E.6060001@comcast.net> On 2/25/2016 7:37 AM, CL in NC via AMRadio wrote: > If you really want any eye opener on just how the government can control a business, do research on starting your own commercial shortwave BC station. From all indications, the FCC would be the least of your concerns if you wanted to start a commercial SW station. Brother Stair seems to be the only one who's figured out a business model that works. That said, I was enjoying a bit of nostalgia just yesterday after finding this in a drawer: http://i.imgur.com/J6ZuYoA.jpg 73, Bob W9RAN From nq5t at tx.rr.com Thu Feb 25 11:06:44 2016 From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 10:06:44 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] The Future Of AM Broadcast Radio + 1 In-Reply-To: <56CF1E6E.6060001@comcast.net> References: <923911286.10398495.1456407462025.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <923911286.10398495.1456407462025.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <56CF1E6E.6060001@comcast.net> Message-ID: > Brother Stair seems to be the only one who's figured out a business model that works. Sometimes it does seem that this is the only guy broadcasting on SW. I was tuning around 6 Mcs last night, and for a minute thought there was something horribly wrong with my receiver?s front end ? he was EVERYWHERE :-) Grant NQ5T From w5jo at brightok.net Thu Feb 25 11:10:17 2016 From: w5jo at brightok.net (w5jo at brightok.net) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 10:10:17 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] rectifier subs Message-ID: Hi all, Does anyone have three 1N2389 solid state rectifiers they would be willing to sell? Jim W5JO From k4kyv at charter.net Thu Feb 25 11:34:06 2016 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 10:34:06 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] The Future Of AM Broadcast Radio In-Reply-To: References: <94289765.9219627.1456347924673.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <94289765.9219627.1456347924673.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <000e01d16f61$b9c8a3e0$2d59eba0$@charter.net> Message-ID: <001401d16fea$584c7090$08e551b0$@charter.net> > I think it has to do with cleaning the trash out of the band. In the small town > where I reside, the trash on the AM band from computers and the cable TV is > horrendous. I hope they do get tough on that. > > Jim W5JO I totally agree. There are already laws and regulations on the books to curtail the garbage radiated from everything from consumer electronics junk to power lines, but the FCC has shown limited interest in enforcing them. Re-transmitting the program material on the FM band to circumvent this interference is a cop-out that does nothing to "revitalise" the AM band. In fact, it will probably tend to hasten its demise as listeners discover they suddenly can pick up the same signal more clearly on FM than on AM. Another problem that the "revitalization" proceeding has so far failed to address, is the crappy quality of most present day consumer-grade AM receivers. The AM band is often a marginally performing afterthought hastily tacked on to what was essentially designed as an FM-only receiver. Don k4kyv > -----Original Message----- > > > But I don't see that re-transmitting the signal on FM via "translators" is doing > anything to "revitalize" the AM band. > > Don k4kyv From k4kyv at charter.net Thu Feb 25 12:12:35 2016 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 11:12:35 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] The Future Of AM Broadcast Radio + 1 In-Reply-To: <0FB2480D2701494CBDAAC71D5FDB7A61@JimPC> References: <923911286.10398495.1456407462025.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <923911286.10398495.1456407462025.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <0FB2480D2701494CBDAAC71D5FDB7A61@JimPC> Message-ID: <002c01d16fef$b889a3b0$299ceb10$@charter.net> Jim W5JO wrote: > Some of the SW BC stations have turned in their license and have gone to > streaming. 3 phase 480 is not cheap for a 10 KW station, nor is maintenance > for the TX and associated equipment. I wonder how many of them have enough listeners to justify the expense of transmitting. Unless they have recently changed the rules, the minimum legal power for a private SWBC station in the US is 50 kilowatts, and that's a very substantial power bill. Some of the religious broadcasters, who seem to dominate SW broadcasting in the US these days, can probably continue to thrive on donations, but the rest are probably operating on a highly frayed shoestring. I suspect WBCQ is more like an expensive hobby for Allan Weiner than a money-maker. It's a lot cheaper to stream a program over the internet than to transmit an RF signal, but a problem with streaming is that it isn't treated the same as radio broadcasting by copyright laws and royalty regulations. Many BC stations have recently turned off their streams because of the heavy expense of royalty fees they have to pay for each piece of music they play, saying it just isn't worth it. Another long-time broadcasting service that is falling by the wayside is longwave AM broadcasting in Europe and other parts of the world. I understand the 500 KW BBC transmitter at Droitwich may shut down permanently as soon as their current stock of final tubes is exhausted. (You may have to copy/paste the following url) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droitwich_Transmitting_Station Back around 1980, a high power longwave station in Sweden that had a multi-array of 1000-ft towers, reportedly took a survey and found they had only a couple of hundred regular listeners, so that station closed, deemed not to be cost-effective. One bright spot for hams, with the demise of international short wave broadcasting, is that we should feel less pressure from broadcasting interests to commandeer our frequencies at future world radio conferences. Not that long ago, there was intense pressure, with even some U.S. government support, to re-allocate 3950-4000 kHz to broadcasting in this hemisphere. Now, there is open space to be found during the evening in 7200-7300, and night-time amateur QSOs can be heard regularly with minimal BC interference. Don k4kyv From k4kyv at charter.net Thu Feb 25 12:18:06 2016 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 11:18:06 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] The Future Of AM Broadcast Radio + 1 In-Reply-To: References: <923911286.10398495.1456407462025.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <923911286.10398495.1456407462025.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <56CF1E6E.6060001@comcast.net> Message-ID: <003501d16ff0$7dfb9950$79f2cbf0$@charter.net> > Sometimes it does seem that this is the only guy broadcasting on SW. I was > tuning around 6 Mcs last night, and for a minute thought there was > something horribly wrong with my receiver?s front end ? he was > EVERYWHERE :-) > > Grant NQ5T I guess he's the new Radio Moscow. Remember back in the Cold-War days how they transmitted a separate 60 dB over 9 signal every 15 kc/s all way across the entire 40m band? :-) From k4kyv at charter.net Thu Feb 25 12:41:37 2016 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 11:41:37 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Peak power, average power, V-U meters Message-ID: <003c01d16ff3$c6d5c710$54815530$@charter.net> Here is a treatise on peak-vs-average some may find of interest, from the BBC in 1963, on the subject of VU meters versus peak-reading meters and how they relate to loudness measurements. As usual, this e-mail software may not correctly compile the link, so you will have to copy and manually paste the url into your browser's address bar. http://www.mwigan.com/mrw/Publications__49_Edmund_Ramsay_Wigan_files/1963-29 .pdf From k5xu at comcast.net Thu Feb 25 13:15:12 2016 From: k5xu at comcast.net (Mike Duke, K5XU) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 13:15:12 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Regarding Radio Moscow and 40 meters Message-ID: <092223f2.5cc0.47c5.ac32.d752a1605286@samobile.net> K4KYV wrote: "Remember back in the Cold-War days how they transmitted a separate 60 dB over 9 signal every 15 kc/s all way across the entire 40m band? :-)" Absolutely! Radio Moscow, BBC, and VOA all had transmitters everywhere I had a 40 meter Novice crystal. They would take turns making my Novice life challenging from mid afternoon through nearly daylight. Then, I came up with the silly notion of getting a crystal for 7157. That simply meant I would get hammered from BC stations on both 7155 and 7160 at the same time. Somehow, despite all that racket, I managed to get 38 states confirmed and 45 states worked on 40 meters as a Novice. Later, as a General class licensee who couldn't see the dial scale, Radio Prague, which transmitted for years on 7305, made a wonderful edge marker for the top of the band. Their signal was loud enough and wide enough that there was no way I could get too close to the band edge. And if I did, nobody could hear me anyway when Prague was transmitting. Once the BC stations moved out of the 7100 - 7200 range, many people discovered what had been a relatively well kept secret: 40 meters is probably our best overall HF band. It is almost always open to somewhere, and can usually provide local area coverage during the day and early evening as well as DX. And, remember when a 2 element 40 meter beam automatically made you a "big gun?" Now, I'm amazed by the number of 4 element, and stacked 4 element arrays that I encounter on 40. But take heart; there are still plenty of us using an inverted V. Some of us don't have any better sense than to think we can hold our own with the big boys. Most of the time, we do okay. At least, we have fun trying! -- Mike Duke, K5XU From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 13:23:38 2016 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 12:23:38 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Petition to FCC for Lifetime licenses In-Reply-To: References: <000a01d16f54$dc69c3f0$953d4bd0$@charter.net> Message-ID: Another point that has been raised is that a life-time license will make it that much harder to take LIDS, those who deliberately cause QRM, run fake bulletin stations, set up bogus QSOs to spew vitriol etc., off the air. When there is no license renewal, there is no point in time to conduct a renewal hearing. It already seems difficult to get these types permanently off the air. Do we want to make it even harder? 73 Rob K5UJ From ne1s at securespeed.us Thu Feb 25 13:30:50 2016 From: ne1s at securespeed.us (Larry Szendrei) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 13:30:50 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Petition to FCC for Lifetime licenses In-Reply-To: References: <000a01d16f54$dc69c3f0$953d4bd0$@charter.net> Message-ID: <56CF485A.6060409@securespeed.us> On 2/25/16 1:23 PM, Rob Atkinson wrote: > Another point that has been raised is that a life-time license will > make it that much harder to take LIDS, those who deliberately cause > QRM, run fake bulletin stations, set up bogus QSOs to spew vitriol > etc., off the air. When there is no license renewal, there is no > point in time to conduct a renewal hearing. It already seems > difficult to get these types permanently off the air. Do we want to > make it even harder? > > That's the first thought I had when I read about the proposal, Rob. 73, -Larry/NE1S (who lives in the Glen Baxter state of Maine) From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 13:33:08 2016 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 12:33:08 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] The Future Of AM Broadcast Radio In-Reply-To: <001401d16fea$584c7090$08e551b0$@charter.net> References: <94289765.9219627.1456347924673.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <94289765.9219627.1456347924673.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <000e01d16f61$b9c8a3e0$2d59eba0$@charter.net> <001401d16fea$584c7090$08e551b0$@charter.net> Message-ID: A lot of this has to do with who is a Commissioner. It used to be years ago that FCC had people like radio engineers on the Commission. The Chairman is a guy from the cable TV industry who goes to the consumer electronics show and sits around talking about smart phone apps and other gadgets and seems to not even realize medium wave radio exists. FCC wants to gut radio spectrum with auctions as a transfer to such things as WiFi. The only reason AM radio still exists is because no one has figured out a way to use it for sending and receiving smart phone and other gadget data. If some new high tech doo-dad ever comes out that is popular and somehow needs HF or medium wave, FCC will do a spectrum grab in a second and guys like us sitting around with analog tube gear and microphones will be screwed. 73 Rob K5UJ > > I totally agree. There are already laws and regulations on the books to > curtail the garbage radiated from everything from consumer electronics junk > to power lines, but the FCC has shown limited interest in enforcing them. > Re-transmitting the program material on the FM band to circumvent this > interference is a cop-out that does nothing to "revitalise" the AM band. In > fact, it will probably tend to hasten its demise as listeners discover they > suddenly can pick up the same signal more clearly on FM than on AM. > > Another problem that the "revitalization" proceeding has so far failed to > address, is the crappy quality of most present day consumer-grade AM > receivers. The AM band is often a marginally performing afterthought hastily > tacked on to what was essentially designed as an FM-only receiver. From gblau at w3am.com Thu Feb 25 13:36:07 2016 From: gblau at w3am.com (Gary Blau) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 13:36:07 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Petition to FCC for Lifetime licenses In-Reply-To: References: <000a01d16f54$dc69c3f0$953d4bd0$@charter.net> Message-ID: A solution looking for a problem. It's already extremely easy to renew every 10 years. g On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 1:23 PM, Rob Atkinson wrote: > Another point that has been raised is that a life-time license will > make it that much harder to take LIDS, those who deliberately cause > QRM, run fake bulletin stations, set up bogus QSOs to spew vitriol > etc., off the air. When there is no license renewal, there is no > point in time to conduct a renewal hearing. It already seems > difficult to get these types permanently off the air. Do we want to > make it even harder? > > 73 > > Rob > K5UJ > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gblau at w3am.com > From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 13:44:05 2016 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 12:44:05 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] The Future Of AM Broadcast Radio + 1 In-Reply-To: <002c01d16fef$b889a3b0$299ceb10$@charter.net> References: <923911286.10398495.1456407462025.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <923911286.10398495.1456407462025.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <0FB2480D2701494CBDAAC71D5FDB7A61@JimPC> <002c01d16fef$b889a3b0$299ceb10$@charter.net> Message-ID: > > It's a lot cheaper to stream a program over the internet than to transmit an > RF signal, Not sure about swbc but for local stations, the cost of streaming is a problem because every new connection raises the cost. The beauty of broadcast, which is why it keeps going, is that the cost of listeners isn't tied to how many there are. The budget for running a transmit plant are relatively fixed and stable whether there are 10 listeners or millions. > One bright spot for hams, with the demise of international short wave > broadcasting, is that we should feel less pressure from broadcasting > interests to commandeer our frequencies at future world radio conferences. > One of our worst enemies is ham magazine publishers who repeatedly run articles on how great so-called stealth antennas are (hidden antennas) and how gosh, you'd better be careful with that HF transmitter or you'll suffer from RF EXPOSURE!!! (gasp!) You'd think these nitwits would wake up and realize perpetuating a completely unsubstantiated myth with utterly no scientific basis, is handing a big cudgel to lawyers with whacko clients who want to get rid of hams and their antennas. 73 Rob K5UJ From jcandela at prodigy.net Thu Feb 25 19:24:50 2016 From: jcandela at prodigy.net (Jim Candela) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 00:24:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] Regarding Radio Moscow and 40 meters In-Reply-To: <092223f2.5cc0.47c5.ac32.d752a1605286@samobile.net> References: <092223f2.5cc0.47c5.ac32.d752a1605286@samobile.net> Message-ID: <1091184328.9948775.1456446290880.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> "Then, I came up with the silly notion of getting a crystal for 7157. That simply meant I would get hammered from BC stations on both 7155 and 7160 at the same time. Somehow, despite all that racket, I managed to get 38 states confirmed and 45 states worked on 40 meters as a Novice." During the 1980's, I was facing the same issue with 40m. One experiment was to run very narrow FM on 7157.5. Here I was crammed between two big SW broadcast stations. I got Ralph, KD6OS to do the same thing. As I recall we had a weekly schedule every Saturday night using FM. I made a reactance modulator for a Heath Kit VF-1 VFO, and used a 2M KDK FM rig to receive the FM. The main receiver was a SP-600, and the 455 Khz IF output fed into the KDK. Using the SP-600 3 Khz selectivity position set the receive bandpass. I was driving a Globe King 500 in the CW mode, and Ralph did the same with a Johnson Desk KW on high tap. There were times that we had full quieting from the FM capture effect. It got ugly with QSB though since the noise would jump out of the speaker, kind of had to keep a hand on the AF gain control. Overall, this was quite successful! JimWd5JKO On Thursday, February 25, 2016 12:15 PM, "Mike Duke, K5XU" wrote: K4KYV wrote: "Remember back in the Cold-War days how they transmitted a separate 60 dB over 9 signal every 15 kc/s all way across the entire 40m band? :-)" Absolutely! Radio Moscow, BBC, and VOA? all had transmitters everywhere I had a 40 meter Novice crystal. They would take turns making my Novice life challenging from mid afternoon through nearly daylight. Then, I came up with the silly notion of getting a crystal for 7157. That simply meant I would get hammered from BC stations on both 7155 and 7160 at the same time. Somehow, despite all that racket, I managed to get 38 states confirmed and 45 states worked on 40 meters as a Novice. Later, as a General class licensee who couldn't see the dial scale, Radio Prague, which transmitted for years on 7305, made a wonderful edge marker for the top of the band. Their signal was loud enough and wide enough that there was no way I could get too close to the band edge. And if I did, nobody could hear me anyway when Prague was transmitting. Once the BC stations moved out of the 7100 - 7200 range, many people discovered what had been a relatively well kept secret: 40 meters is probably our best overall HF band. It is almost always open to somewhere, and can usually provide local area coverage during the day and early evening as well as DX. And, remember when a 2 element 40 meter beam automatically made you a "big gun?" Now, I'm amazed by the number of 4 element, and stacked 4 element arrays that I encounter on 40. But take heart; there are still plenty of us using an inverted V. Some of us don't have any better sense than to think we can hold our own with the big boys. Most of the time, we do okay. At least, we have fun trying! -- Mike Duke, K5XU ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jcandela at prodigy.net From rsq14adam1 at hotmail.com Thu Feb 25 20:11:13 2016 From: rsq14adam1 at hotmail.com (C.L. Mitchell) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 01:11:13 +0000 Subject: [AMRadio] The Future Of AM Broadcast Radio + 1 In-Reply-To: <003501d16ff0$7dfb9950$79f2cbf0$@charter.net> References: <923911286.10398495.1456407462025.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <923911286.10398495.1456407462025.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <56CF1E6E.6060001@comcast.net> , <003501d16ff0$7dfb9950$79f2cbf0$@charter.net> Message-ID: The "good old days" of the Cold War. In high school, late 50's early 60's, used to listen to Radio Moscow and VOA on the S-85. Could hear them almost on a clip lead. Of course, if you took the "news" from both, added it up and divided by 2, you got a reasonable idea of what was really going on in the world. Now days, we have all the multiple methods of getting news and it seems at times that I need to do the same thing. Mitch, K9PNP ________________________________________ From: AMRadio on behalf of Donald Chester Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 11:18 AM To: 'GRANT YOUNGMAN'; 'AM Radio List' Subject: Re: [AMRadio] The Future Of AM Broadcast Radio + 1 > Sometimes it does seem that this is the only guy broadcasting on SW. I was > tuning around 6 Mcs last night, and for a minute thought there was > something horribly wrong with my receiver?s front end ? he was > EVERYWHERE :-) > > Grant NQ5T I guess he's the new Radio Moscow. Remember back in the Cold-War days how they transmitted a separate 60 dB over 9 signal every 15 kc/s all way across the entire 40m band? :-) ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rsq14adam1 at hotmail.com From mharmon at att.net Thu Feb 25 22:49:37 2016 From: mharmon at att.net (Michael D. Harmon) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 21:49:37 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Petition to FCC for Lifetime licenses Message-ID: <56CFCB51.5060206@att.net> I thought I'd throw my two cents' in here ... When I passed my First Class Radiotelephone License test back in 1969 (with Ship Radar Endorsement) at the tender age of nineteen, the license renewal period was 5 years. I kept track of the expiration date lest I let my ticket lapse. I was also licensed as novice station WN0WML in1968, relicensed as technician WB0LDJ in 1973, upgraded to advanced in 1987, and finally made it to extra class in 2000. When it came time to renew my commercial ticket in 1984, I sent in the paperwork, and when I received the materials back from the FCC, I was astonished to discover that I had been "downgraded" to a General Radiotelephone License. I also noticed that my new license had no expiration date. None of the formerly prized FCC commercial licenses are worth more than the paper they are written on these days. They mean nothing at all to a broadcast station looking for an engineer. In fact, I'm somewhat surprised that the FCC is even issuing them anymore. The last time I renewed mine, they sent it back without the radar endorsement. I had to send them one of my old licenses as proof that I had ever had the radar endorsement. They finally got it all straightened out. I believe that the bottom line of all this is that the FCC would just as soon not have to deal with 'personal' licenses anymore. They get no revenue from processing fees, and I'm sure that it takes a bureaucracy of hundreds to manage them. We all know how they handled the CB licensing issue back in the Seventies. I'm sure that if they thought they could get by with it, they would just eliminate all license classes issued to individuals. Of course, none of this bodes well for the hams and others who studied for their licenses and passed exams to get them. For that matter, I haven't seen the millions of new licensees that were predicted to come aboard once the CW requirement was dropped. Thankfully, there doesn't seem to be that much chaos on the bands than there was before the CW requirement was dropped, although 80/75 meter SSB has quite a bit of racist and gutter talk in the evenings, so I don't spend much time there. FWIW ... Mike, WB0LDJ From k4kyv at charter.net Fri Feb 26 11:17:44 2016 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 10:17:44 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] The Future Of AM Broadcast Radio In-Reply-To: References: <94289765.9219627.1456347924673.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <94289765.9219627.1456347924673.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <000e01d16f61$b9c8a3e0$2d59eba0$@charter.net> <001401d16fea$584c7090$08e551b0$@charter.net> Message-ID: <006c01d170b1$398e6290$acab27b0$@charter.net> > The only reason AM radio still exists is because no one has figured out a way > to use it for sending and receiving smart phone and other gadget data. If > some new high tech doo-dad ever comes out that is popular and somehow > needs HF or medium wave, FCC will do a spectrum grab in a second and guys > like us sitting around with analog tube gear and microphones will be screwed. That was a big issue with the recent 1900-2000 160m proceeding. Everyone knew that GPS has rendered Radiolocation in that part of the spectrum obsolete and that it would never likely re-appear, but all it would have taken would have been for someone to come up with some kind of gadget or new technology that could vaguely relate to radiodetermination, call it a form of "radiolocation", and get the FCC to grant licences in that part of the band. The recent "re-allocation" decision now makes that much more unlikely. I found it incomprehensible that so many hams, even regular top-banders and certain AMers, blew the whole thing off as a non-issue, even to the point of deriding those who were actively promoting comments to the FCC in support of the proposal that the FCC had, in a very unusual case, initiated on its own. The "AM Revitalization" program is heavy laden in backward thinking. Besides "FM translators", another idea currently floated by the FCC is to eliminate sky-wave protection of the Class A (AKA "clear channel") stations altogether, and make the entire band one big cluster of "graveyard channels" like the present 1230, 1240, 1340, 1400, 1450 and 1490. I suppose some would promote such nonsense as "adapting to the 21st century". Don k4kyv From k4kyv at charter.net Fri Feb 26 11:51:59 2016 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 10:51:59 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Petition to FCC for Lifetime licenses In-Reply-To: <56CFCB51.5060206@att.net> References: <56CFCB51.5060206@att.net> Message-ID: <007b01d170b6$0267c950$07375bf0$@charter.net> > I believe that the bottom line of all this is that the FCC would just as soon not > have to deal with 'personal' licenses anymore. > ...We all know how they handled > the CB licensing issue back in the Seventies. I'm sure that if they thought > they could get by with it, they would just eliminate all license classes issued > to individuals. > Mike, WB0LDJ The one thing preventing that, I believe, is that the ITU treaty requires each country to license and test their amateur radio operators. That was what kept the code test with us for so long. When that international requirement was finally dropped and every country was allowed to "decide for itself" whether to maintain a code test, most countries, the USA included, dropped their code test like a hot potato. I suspect the international treaty is the only thing keeping amateur licensing from going the way of CB, i.e. with a so-called "blanket" licence implied for anyone possessing a transmitter. Along with de-licensing would likely come the imposition of strict type-acceptance or type-certification for all transmitters. Homebrew rigs and converted BC transmitters would be declared illegal; SDR technology might end up being the only thing legal to operate. > Of course, none of this bodes well for the hams and others who studied for > their licenses and passed exams to get them. For that matter, I haven't seen > the millions of new licensees that were predicted to come aboard once the > CW requirement was dropped. Yep, that didn't happen, just as it didn't happen with "Novice Enhancement", the no-code Tech, the 5 wpm Extra and all the other changes that were supposed to "Revitalize" amateur radio. Now they're talking about "Revitalizing" the AM broadcast service, with the same likely result. > Thankfully, there doesn't seem to be that much chaos on the bands than > there was before the CW requirement was dropped, although 80/75 meter > SSB has quite a bit of racist and gutter talk in the evenings, so I don't spend > much time there. Not just limited to 75m, but it's not as bad as many had feared. The same with deliberate interference and jamming. You do hear more CB lingo and CB-like operating practices on the ham bands than before, but it could have been worse. OTOH, a few no-coders have gone on to become active and prominent AMers who put out strapping signals and homebrew their own equipment. Don k4kyv From k9fh at arrl.net Fri Feb 26 12:27:17 2016 From: k9fh at arrl.net (K9FH) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 11:27:17 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Petition to FCC for Lifetime licenses In-Reply-To: <007b01d170b6$0267c950$07375bf0$@charter.net> References: <56CFCB51.5060206@att.net> <007b01d170b6$0267c950$07375bf0$@charter.net> Message-ID: <56D08AF5.50604@arrl.net> On 2/26/2016 10:51 AM, Donald Chester wrote: > type-acceptance or type-certification for all transmitters. Homebrew rigs > and converted BC transmitters would be declared illegal; When homebrewed transmitters are outlawed, only outlaws will homebrew transmitters. They'll have to pry my cold, dead hands from my soldering iron before that happens. From Tonne at Comcast.net Fri Feb 26 12:39:32 2016 From: Tonne at Comcast.net (Jim Tonne) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 12:39:32 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Petition to FCC for Lifetime licenses In-Reply-To: <56D08AF5.50604@arrl.net> References: <56CFCB51.5060206@att.net> <007b01d170b6$0267c950$07375bf0$@charter.net> <56D08AF5.50604@arrl.net> Message-ID: <56D08DD4.1080503@Comcast.net> I suspect I am not alone in agreeing with K9FH and doubtless the vast majority of those on this list. One of the prime reasons for "amateur" radio is to promote learning and the way to do that is to construct apparatus. And just how will the FCC determine that my transmitter is certified or home-made? Enter the home and look at it? They don't have the staff to enforce the laws as-is leave alone enforce such nonsense. - Jim Tonne W4ENE On 2/26/2016 12:27 PM, K9FH wrote: > On 2/26/2016 10:51 AM, Donald Chester wrote: > >> type-acceptance or type-certification for all transmitters. Homebrew rigs >> and converted BC transmitters would be declared illegal; > When homebrewed transmitters are outlawed, only outlaws will homebrew > transmitters. They'll have to pry my cold, dead hands from my soldering > iron before that happens. > From k4kyv at charter.net Fri Feb 26 21:09:12 2016 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 20:09:12 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Petition to FCC for Lifetime licenses In-Reply-To: <56D08AF5.50604@arrl.net> References: <56CFCB51.5060206@att.net> <007b01d170b6$0267c950$07375bf0$@charter.net> <56D08AF5.50604@arrl.net> Message-ID: <000001d17103$d9fbe660$8df3b320$@charter.net> > -----Original Message----- > From: AMRadio [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > K9FH > When homebrewed transmitters are outlawed, only outlaws will homebrew > transmitters. They'll have to pry my cold, dead hands from my soldering iron > before that happens. When AM kilowatts are outlawed, AMers running kilowatts will be outlaws. :-) From k4kyv at charter.net Sat Feb 27 05:28:46 2016 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 04:28:46 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Petition to FCC for Lifetime licenses In-Reply-To: <56D08DD4.1080503@Comcast.net> References: <56CFCB51.5060206@att.net> <007b01d170b6$0267c950$07375bf0$@charter.net> <56D08AF5.50604@arrl.net> <56D08DD4.1080503@Comcast.net> Message-ID: <001101d17149$a3e39f50$ebaaddf0$@charter.net> > I suspect I am not alone in agreeing with K9FH and doubtless the vast > majority of those on this list. One of the prime reasons for "amateur" radio is > to promote learning and the way to do that is to construct apparatus. And > just how will the FCC determine that my transmitter is certified or home- > made? Enter the home and look at it? They don't have the staff to enforce > the laws as-is leave alone enforce such nonsense. > > - Jim Tonne W4ENE There already exist entry-level classes of licence in UK, Australia and Canada, that require the mandatory use of commercially-built equipment. I'm not sure how they enforce it. Don k4kyv From steinerviolinist at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 11:37:50 2016 From: steinerviolinist at gmail.com (Oliver Steiner) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 11:37:50 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Petition to FCC for Lifetime licenses In-Reply-To: <001101d17149$a3e39f50$ebaaddf0$@charter.net> References: <56CFCB51.5060206@att.net> <007b01d170b6$0267c950$07375bf0$@charter.net> <56D08AF5.50604@arrl.net> <56D08DD4.1080503@Comcast.net> <001101d17149$a3e39f50$ebaaddf0$@charter.net> Message-ID: I feel sorry for Australian, UK and Canadian ham ops. The very concept of "mandatory use of commercially-built equipment" exactly defines what Amateur Radio is not, and never has been. It characterizes what Citizens Band is. Ollie W2QXR On 2/27/16, Donald Chester wrote: >> I suspect I am not alone in agreeing with K9FH and doubtless the vast >> majority of those on this list. One of the prime reasons for "amateur" > radio is >> to promote learning and the way to do that is to construct apparatus. >> And >> just how will the FCC determine that my transmitter is certified or home- >> made? Enter the home and look at it? They don't have the staff to >> enforce >> the laws as-is leave alone enforce such nonsense. >> >> - Jim Tonne W4ENE > > > There already exist entry-level classes of licence in UK, Australia and > Canada, that require the mandatory use of commercially-built equipment. > I'm > not sure how they enforce it. > > Don k4kyv > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to steinerviolinist at gmail.com > -- http://oliversteiner.com From kenw8ek at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 11:48:20 2016 From: kenw8ek at gmail.com (Ken, W8EK) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 11:48:20 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Microphones FS Message-ID: <56D1D354.6000703@gmail.com> Microphones For Sale -- both Desk Mics and Hand Mics Kenwood MC-85 Deluxe Desk Microphone: The Kenwood MC-85 is a deluxe unidirectional electret condenser desk mic. In addition to it being a microphone, it features UP-DOWN tuning for compatible Kenwood transceivers. It also has built-in audio level compensation, preamp and a level meter. It can be used with up to three different rigs. This one has one 8 pin mic cable. This mic requires power that is derived from most Kenwood rigs that use the round 8 pin connector. For other models, you will need to install four AA cells (not supplied). This 700 ohm mic has a 300 to 7000 Hz response. This particular mic works fine and looks like it just came out of its box new. No defects. Paper work is included for $100. Kenwood MC-50 Desk Microphone: The Kenwood MC-50 is a dynamic cardioid desk microphone. It features a push-to-talk [PTT] and lock button. It has a four pin plug. This mic has connector switched, dual impedance ratings of 50k ohms and 600 ohms. Frequency response is from 150 Hz to 10 kHz. The MC-50 is the perfect match for many of the classic Kenwood transceivers such as the TS-120S, TS-130S, TS-520S, TS-530S, TS-820S, TS-830S and others. This MC-50 works 100% and looks very nice. Most of these mics have the "piano key" PTT switches that are very yellowed with age. This one is much better than most. With paper work for $60. Icom SM-8 Deluxe Desk Microphone: The Icom SM-8 desk mic has an electret condenser type mic element and gives clear tone over a wide variety of voice levels. The gooseneck may be adjusted to any angle. It features UP-DOWN tuning on compatible Icom transceivers. This mic has two outputs for operation to two transceivers. On the bottom of the mic base there is one control for tone, plus separate level adjustments for each output. The mic cable terminates in a standard round Icom 8 pin mic plug. This SM-8 works fine and looks good. Paper work is included for $115. Kenwood MC-43 Hand Microphone The MC-43 is the standard hand mic that is used with most Kenwood HF rigs. It will work with virtually any Kenwood rig with the round 8 pin connector, including VHF and UHF rigs. It has up/down buttons as well as PTT. This one works fine. The cord has been reinforced right at the mic. $30 DTMF Touch Tone Microphones: Drake 1525 EM Touchtone (DTMF) Microphone This is the mic that was used to add a touchtone pad to many rigs in the 70s and 80s. Normal hand mic from the front, but a touchtone pad on the back. Four pin mic plug. This one has been used, but is in good shape and includes paper work. $35 Johnson 250-0761-010/CES 655 L DTMF Mic It has a 12 digit pad on the front, and is a rugged mic. Presently with 4 pin connector. It looks to be unused. $38 HT Speaker Microphones: Both of these speaker mics have the 3.5 mm and 2.5 mm two conductor plugs that are spaced about 3/8 inch apart, and are molded into a single connector. They are used on Icom, Yaesu, Radio Shack (including the HTX-202 and HTX-404), Maxon, Ritron, Vertex and many other radios. Premier SPM-100 It is a lightweight and compact unit, featuring a powerful speaker as well as a high-quality condenser-style microphone element that produces excellent transmitted audio clarity. The microphone may be secured to the user's lapel or shoulder. It also features a built-in 3.5mm jack for using an external earphone. $15 DM-100 Appears to be the same as the SPM-100 above, but just with a different label. $15 Prices do not include shipping from Florida. I also have many other accessories available such as many different types of microphones, HTs, HF, VHF and UHF rigs, HF and VHF/UHF antennas, etc. Just too many to list here. Please e-mail your requests. Thanks. 73, Ken, W8EK Ken Simpson E-mail to W8EK at FLHam.net or W8EK at arrl.net Voice Phone (352) 732-8400 From manualman at juno.com Sat Feb 27 13:42:20 2016 From: manualman at juno.com (manualman at juno.com) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 13:42:20 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Petition to FCC for Lifetime licenses Message-ID: There's nothing in the original 1928 "Amateur's Code" that says amateurs have to "homebrew" their equipment. It says "PROGRESSIVE... with knowledge of abreast of science, a well built and efficient station, and operation beyond reproach". "Well built and efficient" can imply commercially built equipment too. The "good old days" of amateur radio have evolved many times over the last 100 years. One has to get over it and move on. Pete, wa2cwa On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 11:37:50 -0500 Oliver Steiner writes: > I feel sorry for Australian, UK and Canadian ham ops. The very > concept of "mandatory use of commercially-built equipment" exactly > defines what Amateur Radio is not, and never has been. It > characterizes what Citizens Band is. > > Ollie > W2QXR > > On 2/27/16, Donald Chester wrote: > >> I suspect I am not alone in agreeing with K9FH and doubtless the > vast > >> majority of those on this list. One of the prime reasons for > "amateur" > > radio is > >> to promote learning and the way to do that is to construct > apparatus. > >> And > >> just how will the FCC determine that my transmitter is certified > or home- > >> made? Enter the home and look at it? They don't have the staff > to > >> enforce > >> the laws as-is leave alone enforce such nonsense. > >> > >> - Jim Tonne W4ENE > > > > > > There already exist entry-level classes of licence in UK, > Australia and > > Canada, that require the mandatory use of commercially-built > equipment. > > I'm > > not sure how they enforce it. > > > > Don k4kyv > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > > AMRadio mailing list > > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net > with > > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: > http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to steinerviolinist at gmail.com > > > > > -- > http://oliversteiner.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net > with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to manualman at juno.com > From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 14:39:13 2016 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 13:39:13 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Petition to FCC for Lifetime licenses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There was a time when you renewed you license, that you had to sign a statement certifying a certain level of activity, and other words to the effect that your skills (i.e. CODE and THEORY and PRACTICE) were current! We not only ditch that but all renewal? If that was part of the "good old days" I say let's move back rather than on! 73 Rob K5UJ On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 12:42 PM, wrote: > There's nothing in the original 1928 "Amateur's Code" that says amateurs > have to "homebrew" their equipment. It says "PROGRESSIVE... with > knowledge of abreast of science, a well built and efficient station, and > operation beyond reproach". "Well built and efficient" can imply > commercially built equipment too. The "good old days" of amateur radio > have evolved many times over the last 100 years. One has to get over it > and move on. From steinerviolinist at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 14:44:34 2016 From: steinerviolinist at gmail.com (Oliver Steiner) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 14:44:34 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Petition to FCC for Lifetime licenses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Pete, The question under discussion isn't whether home-brew rigs are required. -- Of course they are not a requirement, nor should they be. Rather, the question is whether home-brew rigs will be permissible in the future! My position is that to ban them would violate the very definition and basis of ham radio. Ollie W2QXR On 2/27/16, manualman at juno.com wrote: > There's nothing in the original 1928 "Amateur's Code" that says amateurs > have to "homebrew" their equipment. It says "PROGRESSIVE... with > knowledge of abreast of science, a well built and efficient station, and > operation beyond reproach". "Well built and efficient" can imply > commercially built equipment too. The "good old days" of amateur radio > have evolved many times over the last 100 years. One has to get over it > and move on. > > Pete, wa2cwa > > > On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 11:37:50 -0500 Oliver Steiner > writes: >> I feel sorry for Australian, UK and Canadian ham ops. The very >> concept of "mandatory use of commercially-built equipment" exactly >> defines what Amateur Radio is not, and never has been. It >> characterizes what Citizens Band is. >> >> Ollie >> W2QXR >> >> On 2/27/16, Donald Chester wrote: >> >> I suspect I am not alone in agreeing with K9FH and doubtless the >> vast >> >> majority of those on this list. One of the prime reasons for >> "amateur" >> > radio is >> >> to promote learning and the way to do that is to construct >> apparatus. >> >> And >> >> just how will the FCC determine that my transmitter is certified >> or home- >> >> made? Enter the home and look at it? They don't have the staff >> to >> >> enforce >> >> the laws as-is leave alone enforce such nonsense. >> >> >> >> - Jim Tonne W4ENE >> > >> > >> > There already exist entry-level classes of licence in UK, >> Australia and >> > Canada, that require the mandatory use of commercially-built >> equipment. >> > I'm >> > not sure how they enforce it. >> > >> > Don k4kyv >> > >> > ______________________________________________________________ >> > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >> > AMRadio mailing list >> > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ >> > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >> > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >> > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net >> > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net >> with >> > the word unsubscribe in the message body. >> > >> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> > Please help support this email list: >> http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > Message delivered to steinerviolinist at gmail.com >> > >> >> >> -- >> http://oliversteiner.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >> AMRadio mailing list >> Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ >> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >> Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net >> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net >> with >> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to manualman at juno.com >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to steinerviolinist at gmail.com > -- http://oliversteiner.com From k4kyv at charter.net Sat Feb 27 16:20:09 2016 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 15:20:09 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Petition to FCC for Lifetime licenses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001d171a4$a35b2610$ea117230$@charter.net> > There's nothing in the original 1928 "Amateur's Code" that says amateurs > have to "homebrew" their equipment. It says "PROGRESSIVE... with > knowledge of abreast of science, a well built and efficient station, and > operation beyond reproach". "Well built and efficient" can imply > commercially built equipment too. The "good old days" of amateur radio > have evolved many times over the last 100 years. One has to get over it and > move on. > > Pete, wa2cwa Ah, yes. The old "adapt to the 21st Century / AM is just another button on the radio" broken record. From manualman at juno.com Sat Feb 27 16:43:16 2016 From: manualman at juno.com (manualman at juno.com) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 16:43:16 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Petition to FCC for Lifetime licenses Message-ID: There is nothing, except wild speculation from people who have nothing better to do, that would indicate that there is any consideration from the FCC, or any other organization, that homebrew rigs would be banned given that FCC would even consider putting forth lifetime amateur licenses. That's just plain silly and has no basis in any real facts relative to U. S. amateurs. Next, we will be rehashing why we need Daylight Savings Time which is coming up in roughly 2 weeks. Pete, wa2cwa On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 14:44:34 -0500 Oliver Steiner writes: > Pete, > The question under discussion isn't whether home-brew rigs are > required. -- Of course they are not a requirement, nor should they > be. > Rather, the question is whether home-brew rigs will be permissible > in > the future! My position is that to ban them would violate the very > definition and basis of ham radio. > > Ollie > W2QXR > > On 2/27/16, manualman at juno.com wrote: > > There's nothing in the original 1928 "Amateur's Code" that says > amateurs > > have to "homebrew" their equipment. It says "PROGRESSIVE... with > > knowledge of abreast of science, a well built and efficient > station, and > > operation beyond reproach". "Well built and efficient" can imply > > commercially built equipment too. The "good old days" of amateur > radio > > have evolved many times over the last 100 years. One has to get > over it > > and move on. > > > > Pete, wa2cwa > > > > > > On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 11:37:50 -0500 Oliver Steiner > > writes: > >> I feel sorry for Australian, UK and Canadian ham ops. The very > >> concept of "mandatory use of commercially-built equipment" > exactly > >> defines what Amateur Radio is not, and never has been. It > >> characterizes what Citizens Band is. > >> > >> Ollie > >> W2QXR > >> > >> On 2/27/16, Donald Chester wrote: > >> >> I suspect I am not alone in agreeing with K9FH and doubtless > the > >> vast > >> >> majority of those on this list. One of the prime reasons for > >> "amateur" > >> > radio is > >> >> to promote learning and the way to do that is to construct > >> apparatus. > >> >> And > >> >> just how will the FCC determine that my transmitter is > certified > >> or home- > >> >> made? Enter the home and look at it? They don't have the > staff > >> to > >> >> enforce > >> >> the laws as-is leave alone enforce such nonsense. > >> >> > >> >> - Jim Tonne W4ENE > >> > > >> > > >> > There already exist entry-level classes of licence in UK, > >> Australia and > >> > Canada, that require the mandatory use of commercially-built > >> equipment. > >> > I'm > >> > not sure how they enforce it. > >> > > >> > Don k4kyv From mjcal77 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 27 18:25:47 2016 From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 23:25:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] Guidance please References: <841365751.410968.1456615547146.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <841365751.410968.1456615547146.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Where is the original article about the FCC wanting all ham gear to be type accepted and outlawing homebrew TX's? The only thing I found was a ham wanting to use homebrew stuff on the GMRS band. Charlie, W4MEC in NC From k4kyv at charter.net Sun Feb 28 15:16:39 2016 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 14:16:39 -0600 Subject: [AMRadio] Petition to FCC for Lifetime licenses (Homebrew Transmitters) Message-ID: <000601d17264$eec18110$cc448330$@charter.net> To further clarify, no petition or proposal is known to be on the horizon that would prohibit the use of homebrew transmitters by US amateurs; follow this thread from the beginning to see how the subject evolved. However, such rules indeed exist for entry-level licensees in other major English-speaking countries, and it is not beyond the realm of possibility that the idea could one day gain foothold here. The following excerpts are taken from Canadian, Australian and UK amateur radio rules. Note: the software that operates this list may insert a line break that disables the link, so you may have to manually copy/paste the full URL into your browser. CANADA: > > 1.4 Privileges and Restrictions Privileges and restrictions can be found in the Radiocommunication Regulations and Radiocommunication Information Circular 2, Standards for the Operation of Radio Stations in the Amateur Radio Service (RIC-2) - Reclassified as RBR-4. A brief summary follows: Basic Qualification: access all amateur bands above 30 MHz use a maximum of 250 watts DC transmitter input power build Footnote 1 and operate all station equipment, except for "home-made" transmitters http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.nsf/eng/sf01777.html?Open&pv=1 CANADA (cont'd): > > TRUE OR FALSE? Q - I'm a Basic Qualification holder and have a radio that was a business radio but has been reprogrammed to ham frequencies. It is such a good radio that I know it works fine so it must be legal for me to use. A - FALSE. By RIC-3 Basic Qualification holders must use commercially made transmitting equipment for the amateur service > http://oldsite.rac.ca/en/amateur-radio/regulatory/operating-in-canada/buying .php AUSTRALIA: "Foundation Licence Essentially, the Foundation Licence is an operator licence that requires a minimum of technical knowledge that will allow safe operation of a Foundation amateur station. A radio amateur with a foundation licence can only operate commercially manufactured equipment. And is restricted to defined frequency bands, emission modes and limited to 10 watts transmitter output power. These requirements are contained in Part 6 of the LCD." http://vk3kid.org/?page_id=207 UNITED KINGDOM: "Foundation licensees are permitted to use commercially manufactured transmitters and kits constructed in accordance with the supplied instructions. Higher licences such as the Intermediate and Full give the privilege of building equipment to your own designs, from magazine articles, or modifying second hand commercial equipment." http://www.icomuk.co.uk/What-is-the-Amateur-Radio-Foundation-Licence? From michjonezee at yahoo.com Mon Feb 29 13:00:24 2016 From: michjonezee at yahoo.com (Rich Jones) Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 18:00:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] FCC rules aka homebreww References: <1978428343.1129334.1456768824740.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1978428343.1129334.1456768824740.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I suppose 807's and 6L6's will go the way of the DoDo bird too, heaven forbid a type 30 receiver! de Rich K8UV SE Michigan From edwmullin at aol.com Mon Feb 29 22:43:16 2016 From: edwmullin at aol.com (edwmullin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 22:43:16 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Petition to FCC for Lifetime licenses (Homebrew Transmitters) In-Reply-To: <000601d17264$eec18110$cc448330$@charter.net> References: <000601d17264$eec18110$cc448330$@charter.net> Message-ID: <8D341839FE2F532-1038-891D57@webmail-vm010.sysops.aol.com> Wouldn't it be the best "exam" for an Extra class license - to have to? build a transmitter of a certain power level, like say >150 watts output, with a published performance spec - Frequency stability, Accuracy, Modulation %,? Spurious emissions etc.? I suppose in a perfect world... -----Original Message----- From: Donald Chester <k4kyv at charter.net> To: amradio <amradio at mailman.qth.net> Sent: Sun, Feb 28, 2016 3:18 pm Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Petition to FCC for Lifetime licenses (Homebrew Transmitters) To further clarify, no petition or proposal is known to be on the horizon that would prohibit the use of homebrew transmitters by US amateurs; follow this thread from the beginning to see how the subject evolved. However, such rules indeed exist for entry-level licensees in other major English-speaking countries, and it is not beyond the realm of possibility that the idea could one day gain foothold here. The following excerpts are taken from Canadian, Australian and UK amateur radio rules. Note: the software that operates this list may insert a line break that disables the link, so you may have to manually copy/paste the full URL into your browser. CANADA: > > 1.4 Privileges and Restrictions Privileges and restrictions can be found in the Radiocommunication Regulations and Radiocommunication Information Circular 2, Standards for the Operation of Radio Stations in the Amateur Radio Service (RIC-2) - Reclassified as RBR-4. A brief summary follows: Basic Qualification: access all amateur bands above 30 MHz use a maximum of 250 watts DC transmitter input power build Footnote 1 and operate all station equipment, except for "home-made" transmitters http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.nsf/eng/sf01777.html?Open&pv=1 CANADA (cont'd): > > TRUE OR FALSE? Q - I'm a Basic Qualification holder and have a radio that was a business radio but has been reprogrammed to ham frequencies. It is such a good radio that I know it works fine so it must be legal for me to use. A - FALSE. By RIC-3 Basic Qualification holders must use commercially made transmitting equipment for the amateur service > http://oldsite.rac.ca/en/amateur-radio/regulatory/operating-in-canada/buying .php AUSTRALIA: "Foundation Licence Essentially, the Foundation Licence is an operator licence that requires a minimum of technical knowledge that will allow safe operation of a Foundation amateur station. A radio amateur with a foundation licence can only operate commercially manufactured equipment. And is restricted to defined frequency bands, emission modes and limited to 10 watts transmitter output power. These requirements are contained in Part 6 of the LCD." http://vk3kid.org/?page_id=207 UNITED KINGDOM: "Foundation licensees are permitted to use commercially manufactured transmitters and kits constructed in accordance with the supplied instructions. Higher licences such as the Intermediate and Full give the privilege of building equipment to your own designs, from magazine articles, or modifying second hand commercial equipment." http://www.icomuk.co.uk/What-is-the-Amateur-Radio-Foundation-Licence? ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to edwmullin at aol.com

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