[AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 150, Issue 10


C.L. Mitchell rsq14adam1 at hotmail.com
Mon Jul 25 18:44:05 EDT 2016


People ask why I advise public safety [police, fire, EMS, EMS, etc] departments going to a local or state-wide 800 trunked system to keep their VHF or UHF licenses.  Same logic as below.  Simplex [or department-owned repeaters located at the dispatch point] obviously do not die when a computer malfunctions or intra-system links go out.  The organization I retired from had people at the Katrina response and they told me that mostly-simplex VHF Hi-band systems still functioned, if nothing more than mobile-to-mobile.  Trunked systems were mostly dead.


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From: AMRadio <amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Jay Walker <jay.walker.voiceover at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 3:34 PM
To: amradio at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 150, Issue 10

I live out in the country and our options for anything but POTS phone
service, Microwave point to point WISP internet and cellphone service is
limited. There's no DSL/ASL or fiber so at best TELCO can offer limited
ISDN. I keep the POTS for one reason. It's as bullet proof as any
underground delivery service gets. Plus since the POTS is 'self-powered'
long term electrical outages are not a problem. By long-term I mean weeks
long events caused by ice storms. A typical POTS exchange can run
unattended on battery systems for a minimum of 72 hours.

Since our WISP internet provider is VOIP capable a number of neighbors
went with VOIP only. After severe storms they usually end up over here
asking to use the phone since the I-Net and local cell tower is down for
the count. But like a trusty Timex watch, the twisted pair keeps on
working. TCP/IP delivered services are cheap, but they are very prone to
outages which is one reason I fear we have placed too much faith in
controlling systems via the internet. As much as the IP's would like you to
think of themselves as a 'Hard Service' recent events from Katrina to Sandy
have proven that to be false...
73 de NS5F



*Sent from my Commodore 64 Plus...*


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>    3. Re: FAA Reauthorization Act H.R. 636 (Donald Chester)
>    4. Re: Landline vs cell (Steve WA1QIX)
>    5. Re: Landline vs cell (Oliver Steiner)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 10:34:53 -0400
> From: W4AWM at aol.com
> To: ranchorobbo at gmail.com, mjcal77 at yahoo.com
> Cc: amradio at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Landline vs cell
> Message-ID: <4c7d08.74d8fc57.44c77d8d at aol.com>
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> Ditto.  Once FIOS gets your copper, you can EVER get it back and your
> inbox and snail mailbox plus your phone get deluged with incessant calls
> to sign
>  up or their TV and internet service.
>
> 73.
>
> John, W4AWM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 7/25/2016 7:47:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> ranchorobbo at gmail.com writes:
>
> I'm  keeping my landline until they shut it down.  Offers to sign up
> for  U-verse go riight into the roundfile unopened.  I know hams  who
> dropped their land line around here and regret it.  And it is hard  to
> get it back once you let it go.  Give me the copper twisted  pair.  My
> WeCo model 302 in the shack works  great.
>
> 73
>
> Rob
> K5UJ
>
> On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 2:24 PM, CL  in NC via AMRadio
> <amradio at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> > My land  line runs about $40 a month for just phone service plus the
> cheapest AT&T  long distance option.  Along with the usual cordless phones
> in
> the house,  I still have a couple rotary dial sets, which are the only ones
> that work  during a power outage.  I have yet to find any cell phone of any
> type  that can meet the audio quality of a landline pushbutton or rotary
> phone.  I hear dead quiet in my landline, but the cell is full of beeps
> and
> burps and an occasional part of a voice from somewhere else when in use.
> While
> they have put quality cameras in cell phones now, a better mic might
> improve things. The issue now is the masses that have no idea what a
> quality
> phone connection sounds like, and apparently don't really  care.
> >
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> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 12:05:21 -0500
> From: "Donald Chester" <k4kyv at charter.net>
> To: "'Rob Atkinson'" <ranchorobbo at gmail.com>, "'CL in NC'"
>         <mjcal77 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "'Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service'"
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> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Landline vs cell
> Message-ID: <000201d1e696$bac6ab00$30540100$@charter.net>
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> > I'm keeping my landline until they shut it down.  Offers to sign up for
> U-verse
> > go riight into the roundfile unopened.  I know hams who dropped their
> land
> > line around here and regret it
> > Rob
> > K5UJ
>
> Plus, U-verse, like BPL, can generate hash all over the HF bands, and RF
> from a nearby transmitter can cause the U-verse connection to drop out.
>
> Somebody told me he was considering running U-verse, but when he told them
> he had a ham station they suddenly lost interest and wouldn't discuss it
> further.
>
>
> Don
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 12:09:39 -0500
> From: "Donald Chester" <k4kyv at charter.net>
> To: "'Rob Atkinson'" <ranchorobbo at gmail.com>,   "'Discussion of AM Radio
>         in the Amateur Service'" <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] FAA Reauthorization Act H.R. 636
> Message-ID: <000501d1e697$544da580$fce8f080$@charter.net>
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> > I had family visiting over the weekend and we went for a drive out west
> of
> > my QTH yesterday afternoon.  Off to the left of the road I saw
> > a 100 foot free standing tower with a wind propeller at the top.   I
> > thought to myself, that guy is going to have to paint and lamp that
> thing,
> then
> > I remembered that in the congressional bill, there is an exclusion for
> towers
> > with windmill propellers over a certain length.
> > As if, that bigger propeller will magically prevent a plane from
> > flying into it.   You can tell the fixes were in on that legislation.
> >
> > Rob
> > K5UJ
>
>
> And why  would a crop duster or any other kind of low-flying aircraft ever
> be flying here?
>
>
> http://www.agaviation.org/files/policyinitiatives/Tower%20Public%20Outreach/
> ad6.pdf
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 15:02:35 -0500
> From: Steve WA1QIX <wa1qix at piesky.com>
> To: <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Landline vs cell
> Message-ID: <201607251856.u6PIugkJ064927 at mx1.piesky.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> I still have a landline here, but it costs over $100/month because I
> want call forwarding and caller ID (which are both expensive).
>
> Have been considering dropping it, but I do like the reliability.
>
> However, recently I got a "cable" (Comcast) delivered phone -
> converted a 2nd land line I had over to the Comcast phone service -
> kept the same number, etc.  THAT service is of VERY high quality -
> better than the land line, in fact.  It's DEAD silent (no hum, etc)
> the audio is clean and the frequency response is quite
> reasonable.  And it's significantly less expensive.
>
> Could be an option, I suppose.  During a power outage, you would have
> to keep your local cable interface powered up, or obviously your
> phones would die.  The box I got has a battery which will keep it
> alive for some amount of time (don't know how long).
>
>
> At 02:24 PM 7/24/2016, CL in NC via AMRadio wrote:
> >My land line runs about $40 a month for just phone service plus the
> >cheapest AT&T long distance option.  Along with the usual cordless
> >phones in the house, I still have a couple rotary dial sets, which
> >are the only ones that work during a power outage.  I have yet to
> >find any cell phone of any type that can meet the audio quality of a
> >landline pushbutton or rotary phone.  I hear dead quiet in my
> >landline, but the cell is full of beeps and burps and an occasional
> >part of a voice from somewhere else when in use. While they have put
> >quality cameras in cell phones now, a better mic might improve
> >things. The issue now is the masses that have no idea what a quality
> >phone connection sounds like, and apparently don't really care.
> >
> >Charlie, W4MEC in NC
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 15:03:15 -0400
> From: Oliver Steiner <steinerviolinist at gmail.com>
> To: Donald Chester <k4kyv at charter.net>
> Cc: Rob Atkinson <ranchorobbo at gmail.com>, CL in NC
>         <mjcal77 at yahoo.com>,    Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur
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> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Landline vs cell
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> For what it's worth:
>
> I have U-verse Internet, Phone and Cable TV.  Have never had a problem
> with my transmissions disturbing any of the three services, nor with
> the U-verse disturbing my radio reception.
>
> Ollie
> W2QXR
>
> On 7/25/16, Donald Chester <k4kyv at charter.net> wrote:
> >> I'm keeping my landline until they shut it down.  Offers to sign up for
> > U-verse
> >> go riight into the roundfile unopened.  I know hams who dropped their
> >> land
> >> line around here and regret it
> >> Rob
> >> K5UJ
> >
> > Plus, U-verse, like BPL, can generate hash all over the HF bands, and RF
> > from a nearby transmitter can cause the U-verse connection to drop out.
> >
> > Somebody told me he was considering running U-verse, but when he told
> them
> > he had a ham station they suddenly lost interest and wouldn't discuss it
> > further.
> >
> >
> > Don
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 15:06:42 -0500
> From: Bill Guyger <bguyger at yahoo.com>
> To: Steve WA1QIX <wa1qix at piesky.com>
> Cc: amradio at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Landline vs cell
> Message-ID: <0BCC5139-830C-4292-98FC-E8567C010BC2 at yahoo.com>
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> FWIW I got rid of my POTS service and DSL several years ago because the
> lines in my part of Dallas are absolute crap. Every time it rained they got
> real noisy and after several attempts at finding clean pairs I just told
> AT&T to cram it. The people next door went thru hell with cable internet.
> They then tried Uverse and the technician screwed their house up so badly
> the wife wouldn't let the tech back thru the door even with his supervisor
> on site.
>
> So basically I'm wireless...... or witless or both.
>
> Bill AD5OL
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 25, 2016, at 3:02 PM, Steve WA1QIX <wa1qix at piesky.com> wrote:
> >
> > I still have a landline here, but it costs over $100/month because I
> want call forwarding and caller ID (which are both expensive).
> >
> > Have been considering dropping it, but I do like the reliability.
> >
> > However, recently I got a "cable" (Comcast) delivered phone - converted
> a 2nd land line I had over to the Comcast phone service - kept the same
> number, etc.  THAT service is of VERY high quality - better than the land
> line, in fact.  It's DEAD silent (no hum, etc) the audio is clean and the
> frequency response is quite reasonable.  And it's significantly less
> expensive.
> >
> > Could be an option, I suppose.  During a power outage, you would have to
> keep your local cable interface powered up, or obviously your phones would
> die.  The box I got has a battery which will keep it alive for some amount
> of time (don't know how long).
> >
> >
> > At 02:24 PM 7/24/2016, CL in NC via AMRadio wrote:
> >> My land line runs about $40 a month for just phone service plus the
> cheapest AT&T long distance option.  Along with the usual cordless phones
> in the house, I still have a couple rotary dial sets, which are the only
> ones that work during a power outage.  I have yet to find any cell phone of
> any type that can meet the audio quality of a landline pushbutton or rotary
> phone.  I hear dead quiet in my landline, but the cell is full of beeps and
> burps and an occasional part of a voice from somewhere else when in use.
> While they have put quality cameras in cell phones now, a better mic might
> improve things. The issue now is the masses that have no idea what a
> quality phone connection sounds like, and apparently don't really care.
> >>
> >> Charlie, W4MEC in NC
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