[AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 150, Issue 12


Jay Walker jay.walker.voiceover at gmail.com
Mon Jul 25 19:56:48 EDT 2016


Comparing external codecs to regular cell audio is not really valid since
broadcast encoders are basically a voice modem with a completely different
algorithm. But even external codecs have problems. In order for external
encoders to sound good they need to have a high data rate connection. From
experience using various codecs for Super Bowl broadcasts I've helped
engineer, I can tell you that cell overloading is a major problem. What
worked great during checkout the day before the game usually leaves you
hanging on game day. Same with remote broadcasts that have a large
attendance. when 50,000 or more people gather in the stands and light up
cellphones there's always a problem.
de NS5F



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> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 18:04:24 -0400 (EDT)
> From: "FRANK                     HUGHES hughes"
>         <frsahu0003 at embarqmail.com>
> To: amradio at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [AMRadio] rural landline
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> We have one POTS line.
> Good old Western Electric 500 and 2500 sets.
> There is no cable out here. Cell coverage in the house is intermittent.
> The only Internet available is DSL, 10mb tops.
> ADT fire and burglar alarms use the POTS line, as their cell option won't
> work here.
>
>
> I have been told there are 51,000 building permits open here in the far
> West end of the county, everything that was Orange groves for
> the last 100 years is now being paved with developments.
>
>
> So possibly a cable company will show up here someday. Or not.
> We have not had a TV in the house for 30 years now, no longer sure why we
> would want one.
> 73
> Frank
> KJ4OLL
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 17:23:17 -0500
> From: Jay Walker <jay.walker.voiceover at gmail.com>
> To: amradio at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Landline vs cell
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> I'll echo the comments on the lack of cellphone audio quality. Ever since
> cellphones changed from analog to data compressed digital voice the overall
> quality is very poor with too many digital artifacts. Thankfully after 30
> years of carrying a business provided cell 24/7 365, now that I've retired
> I no longer have to deal with those devices. Back to the subject of copper
> twisted pair POTS, it's reliability is superior to most other personal
> communications devices as the service has had over 100 years to mature..
> de NS5F
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 17:41:20 -0500
> From: Bill Guyger <bguyger at yahoo.com>
> To: Jay Walker <jay.walker.voiceover at gmail.com>
> Cc: amradio at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Landline vs cell
> Message-ID: <AD3E85D6-2875-4F92-9DCD-615BB03CF0EB at yahoo.com>
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> Interestingly enough, there are cell phone apps like Luci Live that gives
> almost studio audio when using an external mic. We use it sometimes for
> live interviews rather than sending a remote unit.
>
> Bill AD5OL
>
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> > On Jul 25, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Jay Walker <jay.walker.voiceover at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I'll echo the comments on the lack of cellphone audio quality. Ever since
> > cellphones changed from analog to data compressed digital voice the
> overall
> > quality is very poor with too many digital artifacts. Thankfully after 30
> > years of carrying a business provided cell 24/7 365, now that I've
> retired
> > I no longer have to deal with those devices. Back to the subject of
> copper
> > twisted pair POTS, it's reliability is superior to most other personal
> > communications devices as the service has had over 100 years to mature..
> > de NS5F
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 22:44:05 +0000
> From: "C.L. Mitchell" <rsq14adam1 at hotmail.com>
> To: Jay Walker <jay.walker.voiceover at gmail.com>,
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> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 150, Issue 10
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> People ask why I advise public safety [police, fire, EMS, EMS, etc]
> departments going to a local or state-wide 800 trunked system to keep their
> VHF or UHF licenses.  Same logic as below.  Simplex [or department-owned
> repeaters located at the dispatch point] obviously do not die when a
> computer malfunctions or intra-system links go out.  The organization I
> retired from had people at the Katrina response and they told me that
> mostly-simplex VHF Hi-band systems still functioned, if nothing more than
> mobile-to-mobile.  Trunked systems were mostly dead.
>
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> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 3:34 PM
> To: amradio at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 150, Issue 10
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> I live out in the country and our options for anything but POTS phone
> service, Microwave point to point WISP internet and cellphone service is
> limited. There's no DSL/ASL or fiber so at best TELCO can offer limited
> ISDN. I keep the POTS for one reason. It's as bullet proof as any
> underground delivery service gets. Plus since the POTS is 'self-powered'
> long term electrical outages are not a problem. By long-term I mean weeks
> long events caused by ice storms. A typical POTS exchange can run
> unattended on battery systems for a minimum of 72 hours.
>
> Since our WISP internet provider is VOIP capable a number of neighbors
> went with VOIP only. After severe storms they usually end up over here
> asking to use the phone since the I-Net and local cell tower is down for
> the count. But like a trusty Timex watch, the twisted pair keeps on
> working. TCP/IP delivered services are cheap, but they are very prone to
> outages which is one reason I fear we have placed too much faith in
> controlling systems via the internet. As much as the IP's would like you to
> think of themselves as a 'Hard Service' recent events from Katrina to Sandy
> have proven that to be false...
> 73 de NS5F
>
>
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> >    1. Re: Landline vs cell (W4AWM at aol.com)
> >    2. Re: Landline vs cell (Donald Chester)
> >    3. Re: FAA Reauthorization Act H.R. 636 (Donald Chester)
> >    4. Re: Landline vs cell (Steve WA1QIX)
> >    5. Re: Landline vs cell (Oliver Steiner)
> >    6. Re: Landline vs cell (Bill Guyger)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 10:34:53 -0400
> > From: W4AWM at aol.com
> > To: ranchorobbo at gmail.com, mjcal77 at yahoo.com
> > Cc: amradio at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Landline vs cell
> > Message-ID: <4c7d08.74d8fc57.44c77d8d at aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >
> > Ditto.  Once FIOS gets your copper, you can EVER get it back and your
> > inbox and snail mailbox plus your phone get deluged with incessant calls
> > to sign
> >  up or their TV and internet service.
> >
> > 73.
> >
> > John, W4AWM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 7/25/2016 7:47:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > ranchorobbo at gmail.com writes:
> >
> > I'm  keeping my landline until they shut it down.  Offers to sign up
> > for  U-verse go riight into the roundfile unopened.  I know hams  who
> > dropped their land line around here and regret it.  And it is hard  to
> > get it back once you let it go.  Give me the copper twisted  pair.  My
> > WeCo model 302 in the shack works  great.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Rob
> > K5UJ
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 2:24 PM, CL  in NC via AMRadio
> > <amradio at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> > > My land  line runs about $40 a month for just phone service plus the
> > cheapest AT&T  long distance option.  Along with the usual cordless
> phones
> > in
> > the house,  I still have a couple rotary dial sets, which are the only
> ones
> > that work  during a power outage.  I have yet to find any cell phone of
> any
> > type  that can meet the audio quality of a landline pushbutton or rotary
> > phone.  I hear dead quiet in my landline, but the cell is full of beeps
> > and
> > burps and an occasional part of a voice from somewhere else when in use.
> > While
> > they have put quality cameras in cell phones now, a better mic might
> > improve things. The issue now is the masses that have no idea what a
> > quality
> > phone connection sounds like, and apparently don't really  care.
> > >
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 12:05:21 -0500
> > From: "Donald Chester" <k4kyv at charter.net>
> > To: "'Rob Atkinson'" <ranchorobbo at gmail.com>, "'CL in NC'"
> >         <mjcal77 at yahoo.com>
> > Cc: "'Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service'"
> >         <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Landline vs cell
> > Message-ID: <000201d1e696$bac6ab00$30540100$@charter.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > > I'm keeping my landline until they shut it down.  Offers to sign up for
> > U-verse
> > > go riight into the roundfile unopened.  I know hams who dropped their
> > land
> > > line around here and regret it
> > > Rob
> > > K5UJ
> >
> > Plus, U-verse, like BPL, can generate hash all over the HF bands, and RF
> > from a nearby transmitter can cause the U-verse connection to drop out.
> >
> > Somebody told me he was considering running U-verse, but when he told
> them
> > he had a ham station they suddenly lost interest and wouldn't discuss it
> > further.
> >
> >
> > Don
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 12:09:39 -0500
> > From: "Donald Chester" <k4kyv at charter.net>
> > To: "'Rob Atkinson'" <ranchorobbo at gmail.com>,   "'Discussion of AM Radio
> >         in the Amateur Service'" <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] FAA Reauthorization Act H.R. 636
> > Message-ID: <000501d1e697$544da580$fce8f080$@charter.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > > I had family visiting over the weekend and we went for a drive out west
> > of
> > > my QTH yesterday afternoon.  Off to the left of the road I saw
> > > a 100 foot free standing tower with a wind propeller at the top.   I
> > > thought to myself, that guy is going to have to paint and lamp that
> > thing,
> > then
> > > I remembered that in the congressional bill, there is an exclusion for
> > towers
> > > with windmill propellers over a certain length.
> > > As if, that bigger propeller will magically prevent a plane from
> > > flying into it.   You can tell the fixes were in on that legislation.
> > >
> > > Rob
> > > K5UJ
> >
> >
> > And why  would a crop duster or any other kind of low-flying aircraft
> ever
> > be flying here?
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.agaviation.org/files/policyinitiatives/Tower%20Public%20Outreach/
> > ad6.pdf
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 15:02:35 -0500
> > From: Steve WA1QIX <wa1qix at piesky.com>
> > To: <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Landline vs cell
> > Message-ID: <201607251856.u6PIugkJ064927 at mx1.piesky.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> >
> > I still have a landline here, but it costs over $100/month because I
> > want call forwarding and caller ID (which are both expensive).
> >
> > Have been considering dropping it, but I do like the reliability.
> >
> > However, recently I got a "cable" (Comcast) delivered phone -
> > converted a 2nd land line I had over to the Comcast phone service -
> > kept the same number, etc.  THAT service is of VERY high quality -
> > better than the land line, in fact.  It's DEAD silent (no hum, etc)
> > the audio is clean and the frequency response is quite
> > reasonable.  And it's significantly less expensive.
> >
> > Could be an option, I suppose.  During a power outage, you would have
> > to keep your local cable interface powered up, or obviously your
> > phones would die.  The box I got has a battery which will keep it
> > alive for some amount of time (don't know how long).
> >
> >
> > At 02:24 PM 7/24/2016, CL in NC via AMRadio wrote:
> > >My land line runs about $40 a month for just phone service plus the
> > >cheapest AT&T long distance option.  Along with the usual cordless
> > >phones in the house, I still have a couple rotary dial sets, which
> > >are the only ones that work during a power outage.  I have yet to
> > >find any cell phone of any type that can meet the audio quality of a
> > >landline pushbutton or rotary phone.  I hear dead quiet in my
> > >landline, but the cell is full of beeps and burps and an occasional
> > >part of a voice from somewhere else when in use. While they have put
> > >quality cameras in cell phones now, a better mic might improve
> > >things. The issue now is the masses that have no idea what a quality
> > >phone connection sounds like, and apparently don't really care.
> > >
> > >Charlie, W4MEC in NC
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> > Message: 5
> > Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 15:03:15 -0400
> > From: Oliver Steiner <steinerviolinist at gmail.com>
> > To: Donald Chester <k4kyv at charter.net>
> > Cc: Rob Atkinson <ranchorobbo at gmail.com>, CL in NC
> >         <mjcal77 at yahoo.com>,    Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur
> > Service
> >         <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
> > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Landline vs cell
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> > For what it's worth:
> >
> > I have U-verse Internet, Phone and Cable TV.  Have never had a problem
> > with my transmissions disturbing any of the three services, nor with
> > the U-verse disturbing my radio reception.
> >
> > Ollie
> > W2QXR
> >
> > On 7/25/16, Donald Chester <k4kyv at charter.net> wrote:
> > >> I'm keeping my landline until they shut it down.  Offers to sign up
> for
> > > U-verse
> > >> go riight into the roundfile unopened.  I know hams who dropped their
> > >> land
> > >> line around here and regret it
> > >> Rob
> > >> K5UJ
> > >
> > > Plus, U-verse, like BPL, can generate hash all over the HF bands, and
> RF
> > > from a nearby transmitter can cause the U-verse connection to drop out.
> > >
> > > Somebody told me he was considering running U-verse, but when he told
> > them
> > > he had a ham station they suddenly lost interest and wouldn't discuss
> it
> > > further.
> > >
> > >
> > > Don
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > Message: 6
> > Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 15:06:42 -0500
> > From: Bill Guyger <bguyger at yahoo.com>
> > To: Steve WA1QIX <wa1qix at piesky.com>
> > Cc: amradio at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Landline vs cell
> > Message-ID: <0BCC5139-830C-4292-98FC-E8567C010BC2 at yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=us-ascii
> >
> > FWIW I got rid of my POTS service and DSL several years ago because the
> > lines in my part of Dallas are absolute crap. Every time it rained they
> got
> > real noisy and after several attempts at finding clean pairs I just told
> > AT&T to cram it. The people next door went thru hell with cable internet.
> > They then tried Uverse and the technician screwed their house up so badly
> > the wife wouldn't let the tech back thru the door even with his
> supervisor
> > on site.
> >
> > So basically I'm wireless...... or witless or both.
> >
> > Bill AD5OL
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jul 25, 2016, at 3:02 PM, Steve WA1QIX <wa1qix at piesky.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I still have a landline here, but it costs over $100/month because I
> > want call forwarding and caller ID (which are both expensive).
> > >
> > > Have been considering dropping it, but I do like the reliability.
> > >
> > > However, recently I got a "cable" (Comcast) delivered phone - converted
> > a 2nd land line I had over to the Comcast phone service - kept the same
> > number, etc.  THAT service is of VERY high quality - better than the land
> > line, in fact.  It's DEAD silent (no hum, etc) the audio is clean and the
> > frequency response is quite reasonable.  And it's significantly less
> > expensive.
> > >
> > > Could be an option, I suppose.  During a power outage, you would have
> to
> > keep your local cable interface powered up, or obviously your phones
> would
> > die.  The box I got has a battery which will keep it alive for some
> amount
> > of time (don't know how long).
> > >
> > >
> > > At 02:24 PM 7/24/2016, CL in NC via AMRadio wrote:
> > >> My land line runs about $40 a month for just phone service plus the
> > cheapest AT&T long distance option.  Along with the usual cordless phones
> > in the house, I still have a couple rotary dial sets, which are the only
> > ones that work during a power outage.  I have yet to find any cell phone
> of
> > any type that can meet the audio quality of a landline pushbutton or
> rotary
> > phone.  I hear dead quiet in my landline, but the cell is full of beeps
> and
> > burps and an occasional part of a voice from somewhere else when in use.
> > While they have put quality cameras in cell phones now, a better mic
> might
> > improve things. The issue now is the masses that have no idea what a
> > quality phone connection sounds like, and apparently don't really care.
> > >>
> > >> Charlie, W4MEC in NC
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