[AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 150, Issue 12


Bill Guyger bguyger at yahoo.com
Mon Jul 25 21:26:01 EDT 2016


Jay

If this is directed at my comment, I was referring to an app that runs on iPhones not an external codec. 

When we do use Luci Live it's only for local "events" like store openings or a hurriedly called news conference. 

At large events you are totally right. As a matter of fact when WWE was at AT&T Stadium the entire IT infrastructure crashed because of all the phones and tablets people brought in. The ticket scanners, POS terminals, computers in the press box, etc. everything crashed.

I just finished rebuilding the Dallas Cowboy Spanish Radio system. The Spanish PXP guy was pushing to convert to IP Codec because when he does Maverick Spanish PXP he's on one (of 3) that the NBA has installed in all their arenas. Trouble is NBA has installed their own network of T1's connecting each arena to Level 3's hub wherever it is so it's a stable connection. The team flagship station then connects to the hub via their own ISP which is generally better than an overload connection via in arena networks.

The NFL and NHL haven't followed suit so the Spanish broadcast would be at the mercy of the in house networks in the various stadiums.

I strongly opposed the IP move until the NFL does what the NBA did. Until then they are going to stay on ISDN  or 2020 whichever comes first (unless the phone companies back off on their ISDN drop dead date again).

As an aside, I'm the Mavericks radio broadcast engineer. We had to install a wired Internet connection for the visiting radio broadcasters to use because the AT&T wireless inside American Airliner Center goes to hell once the crowd starts arriving. I also do all the visiting NHL radio broadcasts (except for 2 teams) same story there and the arena IT guys installed a AP right outside the radio booth......

Bill AD5OL


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 25, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Jay Walker <jay.walker.voiceover at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Comparing external codecs to regular cell audio is not really valid since
> broadcast encoders are basically a voice modem with a completely different
> algorithm. But even external codecs have problems. In order for external
> encoders to sound good they need to have a high data rate connection. From
> experience using various codecs for Super Bowl broadcasts I've helped
> engineer, I can tell you that cell overloading is a major problem. What
> worked great during checkout the day before the game usually leaves you
> hanging on game day. Same with remote broadcasts that have a large
> attendance. when 50,000 or more people gather in the stands and light up
> cellphones there's always a problem.
> de NS5F
> 
> 
> 
> *Sent from my Commodore 64 Plus...*
> 
> 
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>> Today's Topics:
>> 
>>   1. rural landline (FRANK                     HUGHES hughes)
>>   2. Re: Landline vs cell (Jay Walker)
>>   3. Re: Landline vs cell (Bill Guyger)
>>   4. Re: AMRadio Digest, Vol 150, Issue 10 (C.L. Mitchell)
>> 
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 18:04:24 -0400 (EDT)
>> From: "FRANK                     HUGHES hughes"
>>        <frsahu0003 at embarqmail.com>
>> To: amradio at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [AMRadio] rural landline
>> Message-ID:
>>        <1571043395.857513.1469484264333.JavaMail.root at embarqmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>> 
>> We have one POTS line.
>> Good old Western Electric 500 and 2500 sets.
>> There is no cable out here. Cell coverage in the house is intermittent.
>> The only Internet available is DSL, 10mb tops.
>> ADT fire and burglar alarms use the POTS line, as their cell option won't
>> work here.
>> 
>> 
>> I have been told there are 51,000 building permits open here in the far
>> West end of the county, everything that was Orange groves for
>> the last 100 years is now being paved with developments.
>> 
>> 
>> So possibly a cable company will show up here someday. Or not.
>> We have not had a TV in the house for 30 years now, no longer sure why we
>> would want one.
>> 73
>> Frank
>> KJ4OLL
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 17:23:17 -0500
>> From: Jay Walker <jay.walker.voiceover at gmail.com>
>> To: amradio at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Landline vs cell
>> Message-ID:
>>        <
>> CAHJfY-yvD5-GAqtGWazynwrKLG3eHW64Uq3+NYJ7xiPF52o+Gg at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>> 
>> I'll echo the comments on the lack of cellphone audio quality. Ever since
>> cellphones changed from analog to data compressed digital voice the overall
>> quality is very poor with too many digital artifacts. Thankfully after 30
>> years of carrying a business provided cell 24/7 365, now that I've retired
>> I no longer have to deal with those devices. Back to the subject of copper
>> twisted pair POTS, it's reliability is superior to most other personal
>> communications devices as the service has had over 100 years to mature..
>> de NS5F
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 17:41:20 -0500
>> From: Bill Guyger <bguyger at yahoo.com>
>> To: Jay Walker <jay.walker.voiceover at gmail.com>
>> Cc: amradio at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Landline vs cell
>> Message-ID: <AD3E85D6-2875-4F92-9DCD-615BB03CF0EB at yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=us-ascii
>> 
>> Interestingly enough, there are cell phone apps like Luci Live that gives
>> almost studio audio when using an external mic. We use it sometimes for
>> live interviews rather than sending a remote unit.
>> 
>> Bill AD5OL
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jul 25, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Jay Walker <jay.walker.voiceover at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'll echo the comments on the lack of cellphone audio quality. Ever since
>>> cellphones changed from analog to data compressed digital voice the
>> overall
>>> quality is very poor with too many digital artifacts. Thankfully after 30
>>> years of carrying a business provided cell 24/7 365, now that I've
>> retired
>>> I no longer have to deal with those devices. Back to the subject of
>> copper
>>> twisted pair POTS, it's reliability is superior to most other personal
>>> communications devices as the service has had over 100 years to mature..
>>> de NS5F
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 22:44:05 +0000
>> From: "C.L. Mitchell" <rsq14adam1 at hotmail.com>
>> To: Jay Walker <jay.walker.voiceover at gmail.com>,
>>        "amradio at mailman.qth.net"       <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 150, Issue 10
>> Message-ID:
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>> CY1PR20MB0348B04770CAA76F295C9440820D0 at CY1PR20MB0348.namprd20.prod.outlook.com
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>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> 
>> People ask why I advise public safety [police, fire, EMS, EMS, etc]
>> departments going to a local or state-wide 800 trunked system to keep their
>> VHF or UHF licenses.  Same logic as below.  Simplex [or department-owned
>> repeaters located at the dispatch point] obviously do not die when a
>> computer malfunctions or intra-system links go out.  The organization I
>> retired from had people at the Katrina response and they told me that
>> mostly-simplex VHF Hi-band systems still functioned, if nothing more than
>> mobile-to-mobile.  Trunked systems were mostly dead.
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: AMRadio <amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Jay Walker <
>> jay.walker.voiceover at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 3:34 PM
>> To: amradio at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 150, Issue 10
>> 
>> I live out in the country and our options for anything but POTS phone
>> service, Microwave point to point WISP internet and cellphone service is
>> limited. There's no DSL/ASL or fiber so at best TELCO can offer limited
>> ISDN. I keep the POTS for one reason. It's as bullet proof as any
>> underground delivery service gets. Plus since the POTS is 'self-powered'
>> long term electrical outages are not a problem. By long-term I mean weeks
>> long events caused by ice storms. A typical POTS exchange can run
>> unattended on battery systems for a minimum of 72 hours.
>> 
>> Since our WISP internet provider is VOIP capable a number of neighbors
>> went with VOIP only. After severe storms they usually end up over here
>> asking to use the phone since the I-Net and local cell tower is down for
>> the count. But like a trusty Timex watch, the twisted pair keeps on
>> working. TCP/IP delivered services are cheap, but they are very prone to
>> outages which is one reason I fear we have placed too much faith in
>> controlling systems via the internet. As much as the IP's would like you to
>> think of themselves as a 'Hard Service' recent events from Katrina to Sandy
>> have proven that to be false...
>> 73 de NS5F
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> *Sent from my Commodore 64 Plus...*
>> 
>> 
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>>> Today's Topics:
>>> 
>>>   1. Re: Landline vs cell (W4AWM at aol.com)
>>>   2. Re: Landline vs cell (Donald Chester)
>>>   3. Re: FAA Reauthorization Act H.R. 636 (Donald Chester)
>>>   4. Re: Landline vs cell (Steve WA1QIX)
>>>   5. Re: Landline vs cell (Oliver Steiner)
>>>   6. Re: Landline vs cell (Bill Guyger)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 10:34:53 -0400
>>> From: W4AWM at aol.com
>>> To: ranchorobbo at gmail.com, mjcal77 at yahoo.com
>>> Cc: amradio at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Landline vs cell
>>> Message-ID: <4c7d08.74d8fc57.44c77d8d at aol.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>> 
>>> Ditto.  Once FIOS gets your copper, you can EVER get it back and your
>>> inbox and snail mailbox plus your phone get deluged with incessant calls
>>> to sign
>>> up or their TV and internet service.
>>> 
>>> 73.
>>> 
>>> John, W4AWM
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> In a message dated 7/25/2016 7:47:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> ranchorobbo at gmail.com writes:
>>> 
>>> I'm  keeping my landline until they shut it down.  Offers to sign up
>>> for  U-verse go riight into the roundfile unopened.  I know hams  who
>>> dropped their land line around here and regret it.  And it is hard  to
>>> get it back once you let it go.  Give me the copper twisted  pair.  My
>>> WeCo model 302 in the shack works  great.
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> 
>>> Rob
>>> K5UJ
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 2:24 PM, CL  in NC via AMRadio
>>> <amradio at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>>> My land  line runs about $40 a month for just phone service plus the
>>> cheapest AT&T  long distance option.  Along with the usual cordless
>> phones
>>> in
>>> the house,  I still have a couple rotary dial sets, which are the only
>> ones
>>> that work  during a power outage.  I have yet to find any cell phone of
>> any
>>> type  that can meet the audio quality of a landline pushbutton or rotary
>>> phone.  I hear dead quiet in my landline, but the cell is full of beeps
>>> and
>>> burps and an occasional part of a voice from somewhere else when in use.
>>> While
>>> they have put quality cameras in cell phones now, a better mic might
>>> improve things. The issue now is the masses that have no idea what a
>>> quality
>>> phone connection sounds like, and apparently don't really  care.
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 12:05:21 -0500
>>> From: "Donald Chester" <k4kyv at charter.net>
>>> To: "'Rob Atkinson'" <ranchorobbo at gmail.com>, "'CL in NC'"
>>>        <mjcal77 at yahoo.com>
>>> Cc: "'Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service'"
>>>        <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Landline vs cell
>>> Message-ID: <000201d1e696$bac6ab00$30540100$@charter.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>>> 
>>>> I'm keeping my landline until they shut it down.  Offers to sign up for
>>> U-verse
>>>> go riight into the roundfile unopened.  I know hams who dropped their
>>> land
>>>> line around here and regret it
>>>> Rob
>>>> K5UJ
>>> 
>>> Plus, U-verse, like BPL, can generate hash all over the HF bands, and RF
>>> from a nearby transmitter can cause the U-verse connection to drop out.
>>> 
>>> Somebody told me he was considering running U-verse, but when he told
>> them
>>> he had a ham station they suddenly lost interest and wouldn't discuss it
>>> further.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Don
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 12:09:39 -0500
>>> From: "Donald Chester" <k4kyv at charter.net>
>>> To: "'Rob Atkinson'" <ranchorobbo at gmail.com>,   "'Discussion of AM Radio
>>>        in the Amateur Service'" <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] FAA Reauthorization Act H.R. 636
>>> Message-ID: <000501d1e697$544da580$fce8f080$@charter.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>>> 
>>>> I had family visiting over the weekend and we went for a drive out west
>>> of
>>>> my QTH yesterday afternoon.  Off to the left of the road I saw
>>>> a 100 foot free standing tower with a wind propeller at the top.   I
>>>> thought to myself, that guy is going to have to paint and lamp that
>>> thing,
>>> then
>>>> I remembered that in the congressional bill, there is an exclusion for
>>> towers
>>>> with windmill propellers over a certain length.
>>>> As if, that bigger propeller will magically prevent a plane from
>>>> flying into it.   You can tell the fixes were in on that legislation.
>>>> 
>>>> Rob
>>>> K5UJ
>>> 
>>> 
>>> And why  would a crop duster or any other kind of low-flying aircraft
>> ever
>>> be flying here?
>> http://www.agaviation.org/files/policyinitiatives/Tower%20Public%20Outreach/
>>> ad6.pdf
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 15:02:35 -0500
>>> From: Steve WA1QIX <wa1qix at piesky.com>
>>> To: <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Landline vs cell
>>> Message-ID: <201607251856.u6PIugkJ064927 at mx1.piesky.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>>> 
>>> I still have a landline here, but it costs over $100/month because I
>>> want call forwarding and caller ID (which are both expensive).
>>> 
>>> Have been considering dropping it, but I do like the reliability.
>>> 
>>> However, recently I got a "cable" (Comcast) delivered phone -
>>> converted a 2nd land line I had over to the Comcast phone service -
>>> kept the same number, etc.  THAT service is of VERY high quality -
>>> better than the land line, in fact.  It's DEAD silent (no hum, etc)
>>> the audio is clean and the frequency response is quite
>>> reasonable.  And it's significantly less expensive.
>>> 
>>> Could be an option, I suppose.  During a power outage, you would have
>>> to keep your local cable interface powered up, or obviously your
>>> phones would die.  The box I got has a battery which will keep it
>>> alive for some amount of time (don't know how long).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> At 02:24 PM 7/24/2016, CL in NC via AMRadio wrote:
>>>> My land line runs about $40 a month for just phone service plus the
>>>> cheapest AT&T long distance option.  Along with the usual cordless
>>>> phones in the house, I still have a couple rotary dial sets, which
>>>> are the only ones that work during a power outage.  I have yet to
>>>> find any cell phone of any type that can meet the audio quality of a
>>>> landline pushbutton or rotary phone.  I hear dead quiet in my
>>>> landline, but the cell is full of beeps and burps and an occasional
>>>> part of a voice from somewhere else when in use. While they have put
>>>> quality cameras in cell phones now, a better mic might improve
>>>> things. The issue now is the masses that have no idea what a quality
>>>> phone connection sounds like, and apparently don't really care.
>>>> 
>>>> Charlie, W4MEC in NC
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>>> 
>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 15:03:15 -0400
>>> From: Oliver Steiner <steinerviolinist at gmail.com>
>>> To: Donald Chester <k4kyv at charter.net>
>>> Cc: Rob Atkinson <ranchorobbo at gmail.com>, CL in NC
>>>        <mjcal77 at yahoo.com>,    Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur
>>> Service
>>>        <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Landline vs cell
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>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>> 
>>> For what it's worth:
>>> 
>>> I have U-verse Internet, Phone and Cable TV.  Have never had a problem
>>> with my transmissions disturbing any of the three services, nor with
>>> the U-verse disturbing my radio reception.
>>> 
>>> Ollie
>>> W2QXR
>>> 
>>> On 7/25/16, Donald Chester <k4kyv at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>> I'm keeping my landline until they shut it down.  Offers to sign up
>> for
>>>> U-verse
>>>>> go riight into the roundfile unopened.  I know hams who dropped their
>>>>> land
>>>>> line around here and regret it
>>>>> Rob
>>>>> K5UJ
>>>> 
>>>> Plus, U-verse, like BPL, can generate hash all over the HF bands, and
>> RF
>>>> from a nearby transmitter can cause the U-verse connection to drop out.
>>>> 
>>>> Somebody told me he was considering running U-verse, but when he told
>>> them
>>>> he had a ham station they suddenly lost interest and wouldn't discuss
>> it
>>>> further.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Don
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 15:06:42 -0500
>>> From: Bill Guyger <bguyger at yahoo.com>
>>> To: Steve WA1QIX <wa1qix at piesky.com>
>>> Cc: amradio at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Landline vs cell
>>> Message-ID: <0BCC5139-830C-4292-98FC-E8567C010BC2 at yahoo.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=us-ascii
>>> 
>>> FWIW I got rid of my POTS service and DSL several years ago because the
>>> lines in my part of Dallas are absolute crap. Every time it rained they
>> got
>>> real noisy and after several attempts at finding clean pairs I just told
>>> AT&T to cram it. The people next door went thru hell with cable internet.
>>> They then tried Uverse and the technician screwed their house up so badly
>>> the wife wouldn't let the tech back thru the door even with his
>> supervisor
>>> on site.
>>> 
>>> So basically I'm wireless...... or witless or both.
>>> 
>>> Bill AD5OL
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 25, 2016, at 3:02 PM, Steve WA1QIX <wa1qix at piesky.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I still have a landline here, but it costs over $100/month because I
>>> want call forwarding and caller ID (which are both expensive).
>>>> 
>>>> Have been considering dropping it, but I do like the reliability.
>>>> 
>>>> However, recently I got a "cable" (Comcast) delivered phone - converted
>>> a 2nd land line I had over to the Comcast phone service - kept the same
>>> number, etc.  THAT service is of VERY high quality - better than the land
>>> line, in fact.  It's DEAD silent (no hum, etc) the audio is clean and the
>>> frequency response is quite reasonable.  And it's significantly less
>>> expensive.
>>>> 
>>>> Could be an option, I suppose.  During a power outage, you would have
>> to
>>> keep your local cable interface powered up, or obviously your phones
>> would
>>> die.  The box I got has a battery which will keep it alive for some
>> amount
>>> of time (don't know how long).
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> At 02:24 PM 7/24/2016, CL in NC via AMRadio wrote:
>>>>> My land line runs about $40 a month for just phone service plus the
>>> cheapest AT&T long distance option.  Along with the usual cordless phones
>>> in the house, I still have a couple rotary dial sets, which are the only
>>> ones that work during a power outage.  I have yet to find any cell phone
>> of
>>> any type that can meet the audio quality of a landline pushbutton or
>> rotary
>>> phone.  I hear dead quiet in my landline, but the cell is full of beeps
>> and
>>> burps and an occasional part of a voice from somewhere else when in use.
>>> While they have put quality cameras in cell phones now, a better mic
>> might
>>> improve things. The issue now is the masses that have no idea what a
>>> quality phone connection sounds like, and apparently don't really care.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Charlie, W4MEC in NC
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