From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Sat Apr 1 07:24:27 2017 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2017 06:24:27 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] New ARRL poll on entry level ticket In-Reply-To: <1938893241.16377377.1491010726023@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1938893241.16377377.1491010726023.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1938893241.16377377.1491010726023@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Where is there information about it Charlie? Rob K5UJ From lexnonscripta at usa.com Sat Apr 1 15:16:47 2017 From: lexnonscripta at usa.com (mark) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2017 14:16:47 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Yeeee Hawwww In-Reply-To: <1938893241.16377377.1491010726023@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1938893241.16377377.1491010726023.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1938893241.16377377.1491010726023@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9a5616d5-9d9e-7837-2cb3-a0b9aa7c07d8@usa.com> Yeee Hawww! CB days are here again! > Got a section newsletter announcing a plan to consider a new entry level license to attract more folks under the age of 30 to the hobby. Sounds like the next step the ARRL wants is the license in the box with the radio, and a call sign already assigned. Just fill it out, mail it to the FCC to register, and get on the air. Exactly how much easier can this be made? > > Charlie in NC > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lexnonscripta at usa.com > From steinerviolinist at gmail.com Sat Apr 1 17:11:10 2017 From: steinerviolinist at gmail.com (Oliver Steiner) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2017 17:11:10 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Yeeee Hawwww In-Reply-To: <9a5616d5-9d9e-7837-2cb3-a0b9aa7c07d8@usa.com> References: <1938893241.16377377.1491010726023.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1938893241.16377377.1491010726023@mail.yahoo.com> <9a5616d5-9d9e-7837-2cb3-a0b9aa7c07d8@usa.com> Message-ID: I'm going to wait to see what the test will be like vs. what the operating privileges will be. I'm grateful to have had my Novice license before taking the General and Advanced tests. I'm not going to assume that the proposed new license will be like a CB license, rather than the old Novice license. I hope that I won't be proven wrong! I think that the old regulation of holding a Novice license for no more than one year was a good one. You had to upgrade or lose your license. Good idea to keep that IMHO. 73, Ollie W2QXR On 4/1/17, mark wrote: > Yeee Hawww! CB days are here again! >> Got a section newsletter announcing a plan to consider a new entry level >> license to attract more folks under the age of 30 to the hobby. Sounds >> like the next step the ARRL wants is the license in the box with the >> radio, and a call sign already assigned. Just fill it out, mail it to the >> FCC to register, and get on the air. Exactly how much easier can this be >> made? >> >> Charlie in NC >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >> AMRadio mailing list >> Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ >> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >> Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net >> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with >> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lexnonscripta at usa.com >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to steinerviolinist at gmail.com > -- http://oliversteiner.com From ranchorobbo at gmail.com Sat Apr 1 17:57:19 2017 From: ranchorobbo at gmail.com (Rob Atkinson) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2017 16:57:19 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Yeeee Hawwww In-Reply-To: <9a5616d5-9d9e-7837-2cb3-a0b9aa7c07d8@usa.com> References: <1938893241.16377377.1491010726023.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1938893241.16377377.1491010726023@mail.yahoo.com> <9a5616d5-9d9e-7837-2cb3-a0b9aa7c07d8@usa.com> Message-ID: On 4/1/17, mark wrote: > Yeee Hawww! CB days are here again! The CB days began a long time ago. They started gradually after the introduction of Class D CB and the flood of licenses, then unlicensed, to "keep track of the smokies." CB became a hobby--there were magazines. One was published by CQ called S9. There was another one I think simply called CB Magazine. Ham became closer to CB with the widespread popularity of transceivers and some CB manufacturers made separates so the operators could feel like they were hams. The FOIA action that forced FCC to release the actual ham exam Q and As opened the door to memorizing then websites and software greatly enhanced it. Thousands memorized with no understanding, VE sessions distanced FCC into almost non-existance (unless you were caught cheating). Ham rigs became more and more idiot proof--you no longer had to tune the final and CBers began to run ham rigs on 11 meters. The lines continued to blur culminating in the elimination of the CW test, basically the last thing that was a stark barrier and difference between ham and CB. Ham became glorified CB a long time ago. the exception is if you want to operate CW and dwell in the 20th century ham world that is apart from QST, CQ, indoors at hamfests, the world where hams still build stuff, have repair benches and fix their own gear, read schematics and know how their stuff works at least enough to take a shot at trying to figure out a problem, and don't buy everything pre-assembled for plug and play. There are probably some CBers who know quite a bit more about radio than a lot of hams these days. By the way, I'm the last person in the world to claim some sort of expertise with radio. I find it very difficult to learn. Rob K5UJ From k2upi at twcny.rr.com Sat Apr 1 18:02:33 2017 From: k2upi at twcny.rr.com (Ken Blume) Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2017 18:02:33 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Yeeee Hawwww Message-ID: Is this an April Fool thing?? If for real it wouldn't surprise me anymore. Ken / K2UPI Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Droid On Apr 1, 2017 5:11 PM, Oliver Steiner wrote: > > I'm going to wait to see what the test will be like vs. what the > operating privileges will be.? I'm grateful to have had my Novice > license before taking the General and Advanced tests.? I'm not going > to assume that the proposed new license will be like a CB license, > rather than the old Novice license.? I hope that I won't be proven > wrong!? I think that the old regulation of holding a Novice license > for no more than one year was a good one.? You had to upgrade or lose > your license.? Good idea to keep that IMHO. > 73, > Ollie > W2QXR > > On 4/1/17, mark wrote: > > Yeee Hawww! CB days are here again! > >> Got a section newsletter announcing a plan to consider a new entry level > >> license to attract more folks under the age of 30 to the hobby.? Sounds > >> like the next step the ARRL wants is the license in the box with the > >> radio, and a call sign already assigned.? Just fill it out, mail it to the > >> FCC to register,? and get on the air.? Exactly how much easier can this be > >> made? > >> > >> Charlie in NC > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > >> AMRadio mailing list > >> Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > >> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > >> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > >> Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > >> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > >> the word unsubscribe in the message body. > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to lexnonscripta at usa.com > >> > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > > AMRadio mailing list > > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to steinerviolinist at gmail.com > > > > > -- > http://oliversteiner.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2upi at twcny.rr.com From k4kyv at charter.net Fri Apr 28 03:12:27 2017 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 02:12:27 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] HT-4/BC-610 modulation transformer available Message-ID: <003b01d2bfee$cb299f70$617cde50$@charter.net> In my parts collection I have what I believe is an original pre-WWII Hallicrafters HT-4 modulation transformer, or perhaps it was from an early version of the BC-610. The person I got it from some 35 years ago said it was out of a BC-610. It looks similar to the transformer in a BC-610E, but this one is made by Kenyon, while the BC-610E one is made by Stancor. It looks identical to the xfmr in a photo I have seen of the insides of the pre-war HT-4 and BC-610A. It has been stored in a dry area (my ham shack) all these years, so there should be no moisture deterioration. It is an open-frame transformer, but the casting is shaped somewhat differently from the 610-E one. I assume it is good. I'd prefer to see it go into a real pre-war HT-4 or early 610, but it should work equally well in later models. I can test it in my HF-300 rig at 2000V/250MA to make sure it works. I would trade for other radio item(s), or entertain any cash offer. I'd rather see it be put to use than just to continue sitting in my parts collection. E-mail me if you are interested. Otherwise make a mental note in case you ever run into someone who needs the xfmr for the HT-4. I'm planning to attend Dayton next month, so I could bring it with me for the exchange in person, to avoid shipping costs and risk of damage or destruction. Don k4kyv --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From mjcal77 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 28 15:18:01 2017 From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 19:18:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] The ultimate dumb question References: <1022970250.13999061.1493407081579.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1022970250.13999061.1493407081579@mail.yahoo.com> I purchased a couple tubes from ESRC, a pair of #58 for a receiver project. They came in the original Raytheon boxes. The box is built such that you can test the tube in a checker without removing it from the box, even has instructions on how to do that. What it doesn't say is how to get the tube out of the box. Yea, I can rip the box apart, but there does not seem to be a way to extract the inner sleeve holding the tube without ripping it up to do so. Anybody know the secret, just in the idea of preserving the box, or in that era, who cared, so they just ripped it open? Charlie, W4MEC in NC From k4kyv at charter.net Fri Apr 28 16:41:25 2017 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 15:41:25 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] The ultimate dumb question In-Reply-To: <1022970250.13999061.1493407081579@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1022970250.13999061.1493407081579.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1022970250.13999061.1493407081579@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000a01d2c05f$cdf690c0$69e3b240$@charter.net> > What it doesn't say is how to get the tube out > of the box. Yea, I can rip the box apart, but there does not seem to be a way > to extract the inner sleeve holding the tube without ripping it up to do so. > Anybody know the secret, just in the idea of preserving the box, or in that > era, who cared, so they just ripped it open? I think they just assumed that when you finally decide to use the tube, you would just rip open the box. You may be able to carefully slit the box in an inconspicuous place, remove the tube and glue the box back together. I'm familiar with those boxes, but don't recall if I have ever been able to extract the tube without ruining the box. They may have designed it that way intentionally, to make it difficult to replace a new tube with a used one and pass it off as new-in-the-box. Another problem I have had with preserving old tube boxes is that the ancient cardboard has usually disintegrated to the point that the box falls apart or even crumbles to pieces when you remove the tube. Even while carefully opening a regular tube box, the flap often falls off when you lift it to take out the tube. Don k4kyv --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From w5jo at brightok.net Sat Apr 29 12:50:06 2017 From: w5jo at brightok.net (w5jo at brightok.net) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2017 11:50:06 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] wanted Message-ID: <4AF2451BD5C7436CBE9515BECAABC891@JimPC> I am posting this for Neil. Please reply to him at: archernf at earthlink.net Hi Folks, I need some help, I am trying to help a friend who is not a ham find an "E" coil for his HRO-60. I wonder if anyone has one or can point me in the direction to find one I appreciate the help. 73 Neil Foster N4FN From knjhanlon at msn.com Sat Apr 29 17:54:37 2017 From: knjhanlon at msn.com (JAMES HANLON) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2017 21:54:37 +0000 Subject: [AMRadio] Yeeee Hawwww In-Reply-To: References: <1938893241.16377377.1491010726023.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1938893241.16377377.1491010726023@mail.yahoo.com> <9a5616d5-9d9e-7837-2cb3-a0b9aa7c07d8@usa.com>, Message-ID: I haven't been able to find anything about this proposal on the ARRL web site. Could someone please let me know where to look for some information about it? thanks, Jim, W8KGI ________________________________ From w5jo at brightok.net Sat Apr 29 18:52:59 2017 From: w5jo at brightok.net (w5jo at brightok.net) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2017 17:52:59 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Yeeee Hawwww In-Reply-To: References: <1938893241.16377377.1491010726023.ref@mail.yahoo.com><1938893241.16377377.1491010726023@mail.yahoo.com><9a5616d5-9d9e-7837-2cb3-a0b9aa7c07d8@usa.com>, Message-ID: <6577ED0B90884037B5A9CD847D37EB70@JimPC> What proposal Jim? -----Original Message----- I haven't been able to find anything about this proposal on the ARRL web site. Could someone please let me know where to look for some information about it? thanks, Jim, W8KGI From k9fh at arrl.net Sat Apr 29 21:30:34 2017 From: k9fh at arrl.net (K9FH) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2017 20:30:34 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Yeeee Hawwww In-Reply-To: References: <1938893241.16377377.1491010726023.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1938893241.16377377.1491010726023@mail.yahoo.com> <9a5616d5-9d9e-7837-2cb3-a0b9aa7c07d8@usa.com> Message-ID: On 4/29/2017 4:54 PM, JAMES HANLON wrote: > I haven't been able to find anything about this proposal on the ARRL web site. Could someone please let me know where to look for some information about it? > > > thanks, > > > Jim, W8KGI Hi Jim, Not a proposal just yet, but the ARRL Entry-Level License Committee has been gathering input from the Amateur Radio community with an eye toward recommending either a makeover of the Technician license or an altogether new entry-level Amateur Radio license class. See: http://www.arrl.org/arrlletter?issue=2017-04-06#toc03 Some interesting quotes from the ARRL Letter: "Frenaye said a lot of young newcomers don't seem to find the current license manual very enticing, possibly due to the Amateur Radio terminology and the manual's 12th-grade reading level, which he believes should be lower." "Frenaye is not afraid to respond to critics who say the entry-level license effort and such initiatives as reaching out the Maker Movement are just ARRL ploys to boost the Amateur Radio population and, in turn, League membership. "I guess the answer to that is, 'Yes, what's wrong with that?'" he said. "The more trained ham radio operators we have, the more likely we are to actually be able to keep our bands and maybe get new ones." Phil - K9FH -- xmpp:silencio at movim.eu xmpp:silencio46682 at jabber.ru sip:silencio at iptel.org Zello channel = Multi-Elmac My OpenPGP key ID: 0x9A135171 From manualman at juno.com Sat Apr 29 21:36:04 2017 From: manualman at juno.com (manualman at juno.com) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2017 21:36:04 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Yeeee Hawwww Message-ID: Entry Level License Committee: http://www.arrl.org/files/file/About%20ARRL/Committee%20Reports/2017/Janu ary/1701-ELL.pdf ARRL Seeks Opinions Entry Level License: http://www.arrl.org/news/arrl-seeks-opinions-concerning-possible-new-entr y-level-license I believe there was also a blurb in one of the weekly ARRL Letters. Pete, wa2cwa On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 21:54:37 +0000 JAMES HANLON writes: > I haven't been able to find anything about this proposal on the ARRL > web site. Could someone please let me know where to look for some > information about it? > > > thanks, > > > Jim, W8KGI From nbcblue at hotmail.com Sat Apr 29 23:08:39 2017 From: nbcblue at hotmail.com (W. Harris) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 03:08:39 +0000 Subject: [AMRadio] Yeeee Hawwww In-Reply-To: References: <1938893241.16377377.1491010726023.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1938893241.16377377.1491010726023@mail.yahoo.com> <9a5616d5-9d9e-7837-2cb3-a0b9aa7c07d8@usa.com> , Message-ID: "The more trained ham radio operators we have, the more likely we are to actually be able to keep our bands and maybe get new ones." Unfortunately they won't be trained. Just handed a license that means nothing. Bill - K5MIL ________________________________ Hi Jim, Not a proposal just yet, but the ARRL Entry-Level License Committee has been gathering input from the Amateur Radio community with an eye toward recommending either a makeover of the Technician license or an altogether new entry-level Amateur Radio license class. See: http://www.arrl.org/arrlletter?issue=2017-04-06#toc03 ARRL Letter www.arrl.org The American Radio Relay League (ARRL) is the national association for amateur radio, connecting hams around the U.S. with news, information and resources. Some interesting quotes from the ARRL Letter: "Frenaye said a lot of young newcomers don't seem to find the current license manual very enticing, possibly due to the Amateur Radio terminology and the manual's 12th-grade reading level, which he believes should be lower." "Frenaye is not afraid to respond to critics who say the entry-level license effort and such initiatives as reaching out the Maker Movement are just ARRL ploys to boost the Amateur Radio population and, in turn, League membership. "I guess the answer to that is, 'Yes, what's wrong with that?'" he said. "The more trained ham radio operators we have, the more likely we are to actually be able to keep our bands and maybe get new ones." Phil - K9FH -- xmpp:silencio at movim.eu xmpp:silencio46682 at jabber.ru sip:silencio at iptel.org Zello channel = Multi-Elmac My OpenPGP key ID: 0x9A135171 ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to nbcblue at hotmail.com From macklinbob at gmail.com Sat Apr 29 23:23:18 2017 From: macklinbob at gmail.com (K5MYJ) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2017 20:23:18 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] Yeeee Hawwww References: <1938893241.16377377.1491010726023.ref@mail.yahoo.com><1938893241.16377377.1491010726023@mail.yahoo.com><9a5616d5-9d9e-7837-2cb3-a0b9aa7c07d8@usa.com>, Message-ID: The original Novice license did not require much (if any) technical knowledge. It really only required the legal stuff and the 5WPM CW requirement. During their one year license period they had to learn enough technical stuff to upgrade. But to get new people the ARRL has been continuously DUMBING DOWN the requirements for the current entry level. And it has not rally worked. If you don't have a technical interest in radio who needs Ham Radio? NO ONE! In another ten or twenty years there won't be any Ham Radio. I head very little HF CW here except on contest days. And I think a lot of that is computer generated. Today I turned on my 2M FM rig to check the local repeater activity. There hasn't been any. Just the repeater identifying itself. In this area Ham Radio is in decline. Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa. "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" ----- Original Message ----- From: "W. Harris" To: Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Yeeee Hawwww > > "The more trained ham radio operators we have, the more likely we are to > actually be able to keep our bands and maybe get new ones." > > Unfortunately they won't be trained. Just handed a license that means > nothing. > > Bill - K5MIL > > > > ________________________________ > > > Hi Jim, > > Not a proposal just yet, but the ARRL Entry-Level License Committee has > been gathering input from the Amateur Radio community with an eye toward > recommending either a makeover of the Technician license or an > altogether new entry-level Amateur Radio license class. > > See: http://www.arrl.org/arrlletter?issue=2017-04-06#toc03 > ARRL Letter > www.arrl.org > The American Radio Relay League (ARRL) is the national association for > amateur radio, connecting hams around the U.S. with news, information and > resources. > > > > Some interesting quotes from the ARRL Letter: > > "Frenaye said a lot of young newcomers don't seem to find the current > license manual very enticing, possibly due to the Amateur Radio > terminology and the manual's 12th-grade reading level, which he believes > should be lower." > > "Frenaye is not afraid to respond to critics who say the entry-level > license effort and such initiatives as reaching out the Maker Movement > are just ARRL ploys to boost the Amateur Radio population and, in turn, > League membership. > > "I guess the answer to that is, 'Yes, what's wrong with that?'" he said. > "The more trained ham radio operators we have, the more likely we are to > actually be able to keep our bands and maybe get new ones." > > Phil - K9FH > > -- > xmpp:silencio at movim.eu > xmpp:silencio46682 at jabber.ru > sip:silencio at iptel.org > Zello channel = Multi-Elmac > My OpenPGP key ID: 0x9A135171 > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nbcblue at hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to macklinbob at gmail.com From lexnonscripta at usa.com Sun Apr 30 00:31:44 2017 From: lexnonscripta at usa.com (mark) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2017 23:31:44 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Yeeee Hawwww In-Reply-To: References: <1938893241.16377377.1491010726023.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1938893241.16377377.1491010726023@mail.yahoo.com> <9a5616d5-9d9e-7837-2cb3-a0b9aa7c07d8@usa.com> Message-ID: <573283a2-a272-a078-f197-20db159158b5@usa.com> Well, at least there will be CB! Yeeee Hawwww!!!! > The original Novice license did not require much (if any) technical > knowledge. It really only required the legal stuff and the 5WPM CW > requirement. > > During their one year license period they had to learn enough > technical stuff to upgrade. > > But to get new people the ARRL has been continuously DUMBING DOWN the > requirements for the current entry level. > > And it has not rally worked. If you don't have a technical interest in > radio who needs Ham Radio? NO ONE! > > In another ten or twenty years there won't be any Ham Radio. > > I head very little HF CW here except on contest days. And I think a > lot of that is computer generated. > > Today I turned on my 2M FM rig to check the local repeater activity. > There hasn't been any. Just the repeater identifying itself. > > In this area Ham Radio is in decline. > > Bob Macklin > K5MYJ > Seattle, Wa. > "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" > ----- Original Message ----- From: "W. Harris" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 8:08 PM > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Yeeee Hawwww > > >> >> "The more trained ham radio operators we have, the more likely we are to >> actually be able to keep our bands and maybe get new ones." >> >> Unfortunately they won't be trained. Just handed a license that means >> nothing. >> >> Bill - K5MIL >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> Hi Jim, >> >> Not a proposal just yet, but the ARRL Entry-Level License Committee has >> been gathering input from the Amateur Radio community with an eye toward >> recommending either a makeover of the Technician license or an >> altogether new entry-level Amateur Radio license class. >> >> See: http://www.arrl.org/arrlletter?issue=2017-04-06#toc03 >> ARRL Letter >> www.arrl.org >> The American Radio Relay League (ARRL) is the national association >> for amateur radio, connecting hams around the U.S. with news, >> information and resources. >> >> >> >> Some interesting quotes from the ARRL Letter: >> >> "Frenaye said a lot of young newcomers don't seem to find the current >> license manual very enticing, possibly due to the Amateur Radio >> terminology and the manual's 12th-grade reading level, which he believes >> should be lower." >> >> "Frenaye is not afraid to respond to critics who say the entry-level >> license effort and such initiatives as reaching out the Maker Movement >> are just ARRL ploys to boost the Amateur Radio population and, in turn, >> League membership. >> >> "I guess the answer to that is, 'Yes, what's wrong with that?'" he said. >> "The more trained ham radio operators we have, the more likely we are to >> actually be able to keep our bands and maybe get new ones." >> >> Phil - K9FH >> >> -- >> xmpp:silencio at movim.eu >> xmpp:silencio46682 at jabber.ru >> sip:silencio at iptel.org >> Zello channel = Multi-Elmac >> My OpenPGP key ID: 0x9A135171 >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >> AMRadio mailing list >> Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ >> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >> Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net >> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with >> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to nbcblue at hotmail.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >> AMRadio mailing list >> Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ >> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >> Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net >> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with >> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to macklinbob at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lexnonscripta at usa.com > From k4kyv at charter.net Sun Apr 30 00:38:37 2017 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2017 23:38:37 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Yeeee Hawwww In-Reply-To: References: <1938893241.16377377.1491010726023.ref@mail.yahoo.com><1938893241.16377377.1491010726023@mail.yahoo.com><9a5616d5-9d9e-7837-2cb3-a0b9aa7c07d8@usa.com>, Message-ID: <004401d2c16b$a24afad0$e6e0f070$@charter.net> > I head very little HF CW here except on contest days. And I think a lot of that > is computer generated. > > Today I turned on my 2M FM rig to check the local repeater activity. There > hasn't been any. Just the repeater identifying itself. > > In this area Ham Radio is in decline. > > Bob Macklin > K5MYJ Same on HF phone. Back in the winter there were plenty of weekend nights during primetime hours when 75m and 160m, which used to be packed with signals like sardines and you had to hunt for a clear spot to start a QSO, had 15-20 kc wide swathes of spectrum with no activity whatever. After about 9:30 PM they roll up the sidewalks on 160m, and few nocturnal emissions on 75 like in the days of old. This, despite record numbers of hams reportedly in the FCC data base. At least you can usually get on the air now without having to battle QRM. Even during major contests there are usually vacant spots to be found. But still, it can be disheartening when you know propagation condx are good and QRN is low, but no activity to be heard, and you call CQ till you are blue in the face and get no response. Don k4kyv --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From macklinbob at gmail.com Sun Apr 30 00:40:27 2017 From: macklinbob at gmail.com (K5MYJ) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2017 21:40:27 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] Yeeee Hawwww References: <1938893241.16377377.1491010726023.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1938893241.16377377.1491010726023@mail.yahoo.com> <9a5616d5-9d9e-7837-2cb3-a0b9aa7c07d8@usa.com> <573283a2-a272-a078-f197-20db159158b5@usa.com> Message-ID: <6D536FEEAB4F404590A6FCC1C6E97EA8@IVORYTOWER> Even the 11M CB band is DEAD here in the PNW! Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa. "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark" To: "K5MYJ" ; Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Yeeee Hawwww > Well, at least there will be CB! Yeeee Hawwww!!!! > > >> The original Novice license did not require much (if any) technical >> knowledge. It really only required the legal stuff and the 5WPM CW >> requirement. >> >> During their one year license period they had to learn enough technical >> stuff to upgrade. >> >> But to get new people the ARRL has been continuously DUMBING DOWN the >> requirements for the current entry level. >> >> And it has not rally worked. If you don't have a technical interest in >> radio who needs Ham Radio? NO ONE! >> >> In another ten or twenty years there won't be any Ham Radio. >> >> I head very little HF CW here except on contest days. And I think a lot >> of that is computer generated. >> >> Today I turned on my 2M FM rig to check the local repeater activity. >> There hasn't been any. Just the repeater identifying itself. >> >> In this area Ham Radio is in decline. >> >> Bob Macklin >> K5MYJ >> Seattle, Wa. >> "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "W. Harris" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 8:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Yeeee Hawwww >> >> >>> >>> "The more trained ham radio operators we have, the more likely we are to >>> actually be able to keep our bands and maybe get new ones." >>> >>> Unfortunately they won't be trained. Just handed a license that means >>> nothing. >>> >>> Bill - K5MIL >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> >>> Hi Jim, >>> >>> Not a proposal just yet, but the ARRL Entry-Level License Committee has >>> been gathering input from the Amateur Radio community with an eye toward >>> recommending either a makeover of the Technician license or an >>> altogether new entry-level Amateur Radio license class. >>> >>> See: http://www.arrl.org/arrlletter?issue=2017-04-06#toc03 >>> ARRL Letter >>> www.arrl.org >>> The American Radio Relay League (ARRL) is the national association for >>> amateur radio, connecting hams around the U.S. with news, information >>> and resources. >>> >>> >>> >>> Some interesting quotes from the ARRL Letter: >>> >>> "Frenaye said a lot of young newcomers don't seem to find the current >>> license manual very enticing, possibly due to the Amateur Radio >>> terminology and the manual's 12th-grade reading level, which he believes >>> should be lower." >>> >>> "Frenaye is not afraid to respond to critics who say the entry-level >>> license effort and such initiatives as reaching out the Maker Movement >>> are just ARRL ploys to boost the Amateur Radio population and, in turn, >>> League membership. >>> >>> "I guess the answer to that is, 'Yes, what's wrong with that?'" he said. >>> "The more trained ham radio operators we have, the more likely we are to >>> actually be able to keep our bands and maybe get new ones." >>> >>> Phil - K9FH >>> >>> -- >>> xmpp:silencio at movim.eu >>> xmpp:silencio46682 at jabber.ru >>> sip:silencio at iptel.org >>> Zello channel = Multi-Elmac >>> My OpenPGP key ID: 0x9A135171 >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >>> AMRadio mailing list >>> Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ >>> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >>> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >>> Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net >>> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with >>> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to nbcblue at hotmail.com >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >>> AMRadio mailing list >>> Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ >>> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >>> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >>> Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net >>> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with >>> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to macklinbob at gmail.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >> AMRadio mailing list >> Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ >> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >> Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net >> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with >> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lexnonscripta at usa.com >> > From frsahu0003 at embarqmail.com Sun Apr 30 07:48:10 2017 From: frsahu0003 at embarqmail.com (FRANK HUGHES hughes) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 07:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? In-Reply-To: <1503270002.91245860.1493552524317.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1206047897.91248534.1493552890063.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com> As a new guy (2009), I have noticed that other people my age are more common @ hamfests, don't see lots of younger people. Good point about the technical skills, if you can't build it w/ surface mount components these days, what other components are there to work with? I have only built one homebrew amp, and it took a very long time and lots of scrounging to get all the iron and related items. Next one will be LDMOS and DC volts, easy to source and work with. I like the technical aspects more than actually operating, happier w/ a soldering iron in my hand than a mic....weird???? Also, I can no longer lift some of the boatanchors around here, and am selling them off. Not much luck selling, so far, as young people don't want boatanchors, and the other other old guys already have more than they need too. It does not help that the population of people who value boatanchors is rapidly shrinking. 10-15 years from now there will be one 99 year old guy remaining, with 2834876 boatanchors piled up all around him, calling CQ into the wilderness.... As a new guy, I never had the experience of good band conditions, as I hear people discuss the way it was decades ago. Wonder if the solar cycle is working against the phone part of the hobby, thus less interest. I know at least for me, phone is easy, but at my advanced age, there is no hope of ever learning CW, (with a key), and using software to generate CW does not sound like my kind of fun. 73 Frank KJ4OLL From macklinbob at gmail.com Sun Apr 30 09:38:54 2017 From: macklinbob at gmail.com (K5MYJ) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 06:38:54 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? References: <1206047897.91248534.1493552890063.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: The people at W1AW just don't understand what is happening. The younger people now have their iTHING and the Internet. They don't need either Ham Radio or CB. Around here CB is just as dead as the Ham Bands. People come to the club and get a Tech ticket. Then they get a 2M HT or maybe a transceiver made in Asia somewhere. They never upgrade. The cost of a modern RICEBOX is too high for most. Then when young people buy a new house in a new sub-division they cannot put up an antenna because of the HOAs. The ARRL has not been able to fix that problem. I got my Novice ticket in 1957 during the hottest solar cycle since ham radio was invented. 40M was wall to wall signals between 7150 and 7200 every evening. You could make contacts every evening and it was not just HI, GOODBYE. It was a real QSO. Today with the exception of contest days the bands are pretty dead. I do see a lot of people calling CQ and getting no answers. Today people call CQ and expect answers on frequency, The don't tune around looking for an answer. What happened to building your own gear? Look at 50's, 60's or 70's ARRL Handbook. Then look at a recent ARRL Handbook. In the old days we did a lot of building. Kits or scratch building. We could buy parts at the local Radio/TV parts store. When I moved here 17 years ago there were two Radio/TV parts stores they are gone now. I think that 20 years from now Ham Radio will be history and there's not a thing Newington can do about it! Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa. "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" ----- Original Message ----- From: "FRANK HUGHES hughes" To: Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 4:48 AM Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? > As a new guy (2009), I have noticed that other people my age are more > common @ hamfests, don't see lots of younger people. > > > Good point about the technical skills, if you can't build it w/ surface > mount components these days, what other components are there to work with? > > > I have only built one homebrew amp, and it took a very long time and lots > of scrounging to get all the iron and related items. > > > Next one will be LDMOS and DC volts, easy to source and work with. > I like the technical aspects more than actually operating, happier w/ a > soldering iron in my hand than a mic....weird???? > > > Also, I can no longer lift some of the boatanchors around here, and am > selling them off. > Not much luck selling, so far, as young people don't want boatanchors, and > the other other old guys already have more than they need too. > It does not help that the population of people who value boatanchors is > rapidly shrinking. > 10-15 years from now there will be one 99 year old guy remaining, with > 2834876 boatanchors piled up all around him, calling CQ into the > wilderness.... > > As a new guy, I never had the experience of good band conditions, as I > hear people discuss the way it was decades ago. > Wonder if the solar cycle is working against the phone part of the hobby, > thus less interest. > > > I know at least for me, phone is easy, but at my advanced age, there is no > hope of ever learning CW, (with a key), and using software to generate CW > does not sound like my kind of fun. > > > 73 > Frank > KJ4OLL > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to macklinbob at gmail.com From mjcal77 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 30 10:11:09 2017 From: mjcal77 at yahoo.com (CL in NC) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 14:11:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] New ticket References: <127956487.831248.1493561469165.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <127956487.831248.1493561469165@mail.yahoo.com> When I was first licensed there were about 150,000 hams and about 40K belonged to the ARRL. Now there are 720K tickets out there, and 160K belong to the ARRL, about 1/5. The ARRL says there are only about 300K hams active, how they figure that, not sure, and removing double call signs and repeaters or similar calls would not lower it 320,000 for sure. We have come a long way from 1907 where a 15 inch spark coil feeding an antenna at 180 feet with a coherer detector gave you a range of 75-100 miles, and also a real long way from, "These evil men and boys who were always doing queer things with wires and coils and evil smelling jars, with odd jumbles of miscellaneous junk which constituted the apparatus for their experimental laboratories located in some private den..."(from 200 Meters and Down) While the evil smelling jars are gone, my 'private den' is wall to wall coils and wires and junk, either working and on the air or in process, much to the disdain of the ARRL as I have been told directly. QRP builders as an exception, the fun, and art of 'The Radio' is lost to the latest generation of hams in many cases, and like the ARRL, seemingly hold those who practice it as living in the past. Charlie, W4MEC in NC From hbrnut at suddenlink.net Sun Apr 30 10:21:07 2017 From: hbrnut at suddenlink.net (WA5VGO) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 09:21:07 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? In-Reply-To: References: <1206047897.91248534.1493552890063.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <16D5BBEA-03CF-4806-9022-91DD1FCC4513@suddenlink.net> You are exactly right. I'm constantly amazed that so many allegedly educated people can be in such denial. When's the last time you saw a kid collect model trains, fly a kite, or form a bicycle club? It's a dying hobby and no amount of dumbing things down will change that. Darrell > On Apr 30, 2017, at 8:38 AM, K5MYJ wrote: > > The people at W1AW just don't understand what is happening. > > The younger people now have their iTHING and the Internet. They don't need either Ham Radio or CB. Around here CB is just as dead as the Ham Bands. > > People come to the club and get a Tech ticket. Then they get a 2M HT or maybe a transceiver made in Asia somewhere. They never upgrade. The cost of a modern RICEBOX is too high for most. > > Then when young people buy a new house in a new sub-division they cannot put up an antenna because of the HOAs. The ARRL has not been able to fix that problem. > > I got my Novice ticket in 1957 during the hottest solar cycle since ham radio was invented. 40M was wall to wall signals between 7150 and 7200 every evening. You could make contacts every evening and it was not just HI, GOODBYE. It was a real QSO. > > Today with the exception of contest days the bands are pretty dead. I do see a lot of people calling CQ and getting no answers. > > Today people call CQ and expect answers on frequency, The don't tune around looking for an answer. > > What happened to building your own gear? Look at 50's, 60's or 70's ARRL Handbook. Then look at a recent ARRL Handbook. In the old days we did a lot of building. Kits or scratch building. We could buy parts at the local Radio/TV parts store. When I moved here 17 years ago there were two Radio/TV parts stores they are gone now. > > I think that 20 years from now Ham Radio will be history and there's not a thing Newington can do about it! > > Bob Macklin > K5MYJ > Seattle, Wa. > "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" From W4AWM at aol.com Sun Apr 30 10:43:54 2017 From: W4AWM at aol.com (W4AWM at aol.com) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 10:43:54 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? Message-ID: <256743.2fa91032.46375229@aol.com> How sad, how true! John W4AWM/8 Sent via satellite from Paw Paw, WV In a message dated 4/30/2017 9:39:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, macklinbob at gmail.com writes: The people at W1AW just don't understand what is happening. The younger people now have their iTHING and the Internet. They don't need either Ham Radio or CB. Around here CB is just as dead as the Ham Bands. People come to the club and get a Tech ticket. Then they get a 2M HT or maybe a transceiver made in Asia somewhere. They never upgrade. The cost of a modern RICEBOX is too high for most. Then when young people buy a new house in a new sub-division they cannot put up an antenna because of the HOAs. The ARRL has not been able to fix that problem. I got my Novice ticket in 1957 during the hottest solar cycle since ham radio was invented. 40M was wall to wall signals between 7150 and 7200 every evening. You could make contacts every evening and it was not just HI, GOODBYE. It was a real QSO. Today with the exception of contest days the bands are pretty dead. I do see a lot of people calling CQ and getting no answers. Today people call CQ and expect answers on frequency, The don't tune around looking for an answer. What happened to building your own gear? Look at 50's, 60's or 70's ARRL Handbook. Then look at a recent ARRL Handbook. In the old days we did a lot of building. Kits or scratch building. We could buy parts at the local Radio/TV parts store. When I moved here 17 years ago there were two Radio/TV parts stores they are gone now. I think that 20 years from now Ham Radio will be history and there's not a thing Newington can do about it! Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa. "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" ----- Original Message ----- From: "FRANK HUGHES hughes" To: Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 4:48 AM Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? > As a new guy (2009), I have noticed that other people my age are more > common @ hamfests, don't see lots of younger people. > > > Good point about the technical skills, if you can't build it w/ surface > mount components these days, what other components are there to work with? > > > I have only built one homebrew amp, and it took a very long time and lots > of scrounging to get all the iron and related items. > > > Next one will be LDMOS and DC volts, easy to source and work with. > I like the technical aspects more than actually operating, happier w/ a > soldering iron in my hand than a mic....weird???? > > > Also, I can no longer lift some of the boatanchors around here, and am > selling them off. > Not much luck selling, so far, as young people don't want boatanchors, and > the other other old guys already have more than they need too. > It does not help that the population of people who value boatanchors is > rapidly shrinking. > 10-15 years from now there will be one 99 year old guy remaining, with > 2834876 boatanchors piled up all around him, calling CQ into the > wilderness.... > > As a new guy, I never had the experience of good band conditions, as I > hear people discuss the way it was decades ago. > Wonder if the solar cycle is working against the phone part of the hobby, > thus less interest. > > > I know at least for me, phone is easy, but at my advanced age, there is no > hope of ever learning CW, (with a key), and using software to generate CW > does not sound like my kind of fun. > > > 73 > Frank > KJ4OLL > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to macklinbob at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w4awm at aol.com From steinerviolinist at gmail.com Sun Apr 30 10:47:53 2017 From: steinerviolinist at gmail.com (Oliver Steiner) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 10:47:53 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? In-Reply-To: References: <1206047897.91248534.1493552890063.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: When K5MYJ said: "You could make contacts every evening and it was not just HI, GOODBYE. It was a real QSO." I found myself so strongly agreeing with that. I was astonished when, in recent years a DX station would give my call sign and the fake "5/9" signal report to me and everybody else. To find out his call I would have to wait to listen to 5 or 6 "QSOs" after mine! To find out his location and name I would have to use the internet QRZ web site! To my mind, that does not constitute a radio contact! Sometimes we AMers go too much to the opposite extreme: One makes a contact; then one station after another joins in, until one finds oneself in a five way roundtable with each of the stations making an old buzzard transmission. This results in a 50 minute wait in between your transmissions. During the 50 minutes you might like to have a bathroom break, answer a phone call or get a snack, but instead you are drumming your fingers on the operating desk as you run out of patience. Perhaps, as in so many things, moderation is preferable to extremes of overly short non-QSOs, or overly long 5 way roundtables. On 4/30/17, K5MYJ wrote: > The people at W1AW just don't understand what is happening. > > The younger people now have their iTHING and the Internet. They don't need > either Ham Radio or CB. Around here CB is just as dead as the Ham Bands. > > People come to the club and get a Tech ticket. Then they get a 2M HT or > maybe a transceiver made in Asia somewhere. They never upgrade. The cost of > > a modern RICEBOX is too high for most. > > Then when young people buy a new house in a new sub-division they cannot put > > up an antenna because of the HOAs. The ARRL has not been able to fix that > problem. > > I got my Novice ticket in 1957 during the hottest solar cycle since ham > radio was invented. 40M was wall to wall signals between 7150 and 7200 every > > evening. You could make contacts every evening and it was not just HI, > GOODBYE. It was a real QSO. > > Today with the exception of contest days the bands are pretty dead. I do see > > a lot of people calling CQ and getting no answers. > > Today people call CQ and expect answers on frequency, The don't tune around > > looking for an answer. > > What happened to building your own gear? Look at 50's, 60's or 70's ARRL > Handbook. Then look at a recent ARRL Handbook. In the old days we did a lot > > of building. Kits or scratch building. We could buy parts at the local > Radio/TV parts store. When I moved here 17 years ago there were two Radio/TV > > parts stores they are gone now. > > I think that 20 years from now Ham Radio will be history and there's not a > thing Newington can do about it! > > Bob Macklin > K5MYJ > Seattle, Wa. > "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "FRANK HUGHES hughes" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 4:48 AM > Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? > > >> As a new guy (2009), I have noticed that other people my age are more >> common @ hamfests, don't see lots of younger people. >> >> >> Good point about the technical skills, if you can't build it w/ surface >> mount components these days, what other components are there to work >> with? >> >> >> I have only built one homebrew amp, and it took a very long time and lots >> >> of scrounging to get all the iron and related items. >> >> >> Next one will be LDMOS and DC volts, easy to source and work with. >> I like the technical aspects more than actually operating, happier w/ a >> soldering iron in my hand than a mic....weird???? >> >> >> Also, I can no longer lift some of the boatanchors around here, and am >> selling them off. >> Not much luck selling, so far, as young people don't want boatanchors, and >> >> the other other old guys already have more than they need too. >> It does not help that the population of people who value boatanchors is >> rapidly shrinking. >> 10-15 years from now there will be one 99 year old guy remaining, with >> 2834876 boatanchors piled up all around him, calling CQ into the >> wilderness.... >> >> As a new guy, I never had the experience of good band conditions, as I >> hear people discuss the way it was decades ago. >> Wonder if the solar cycle is working against the phone part of the hobby, >> >> thus less interest. >> >> >> I know at least for me, phone is easy, but at my advanced age, there is no >> >> hope of ever learning CW, (with a key), and using software to generate CW >> >> does not sound like my kind of fun. >> >> >> 73 >> Frank >> KJ4OLL >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >> AMRadio mailing list >> Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ >> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >> Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net >> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with >> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to macklinbob at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to steinerviolinist at gmail.com > -- http://oliversteiner.com From macklinbob at gmail.com Sun Apr 30 10:56:38 2017 From: macklinbob at gmail.com (K5MYJ) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 07:56:38 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? References: <1206047897.91248534.1493552890063.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <823F9BE8954A47D486607B28071742EA@IVORYTOWER> I miss the Old Buzzard AM roundtables. The NW AM group has faded into history! There's no AM here anymore. Not much SSB either. And the current solar cycle is not helping much! Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa. "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oliver Steiner" To: "K5MYJ" Cc: Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? > When K5MYJ said: "You could make contacts every evening and it was not > just HI, GOODBYE. It was a real QSO." I found myself so strongly > agreeing with that. I was astonished when, in recent years a DX > station would give my call sign and the fake "5/9" signal report to me > and everybody else. To find out his call I would have to wait to > listen to 5 or 6 "QSOs" after mine! To find out his location and name > I would have to use the internet QRZ web site! To my mind, that does > not constitute a radio contact! Sometimes we AMers go too much to the > opposite extreme: One makes a contact; then one station after another > joins in, until one finds oneself in a five way roundtable with each > of the stations making an old buzzard transmission. This results in a > 50 minute wait in between your transmissions. During the 50 minutes > you might like to have a bathroom break, answer a phone call or get a > snack, but instead you are drumming your fingers on the operating desk > as you run out of patience. Perhaps, as in so many things, moderation > is preferable to extremes of overly short non-QSOs, or overly long 5 > way roundtables. > > > On 4/30/17, K5MYJ wrote: >> The people at W1AW just don't understand what is happening. >> >> The younger people now have their iTHING and the Internet. They don't >> need >> either Ham Radio or CB. Around here CB is just as dead as the Ham Bands. >> >> People come to the club and get a Tech ticket. Then they get a 2M HT or >> maybe a transceiver made in Asia somewhere. They never upgrade. The cost >> of >> >> a modern RICEBOX is too high for most. >> >> Then when young people buy a new house in a new sub-division they cannot >> put >> >> up an antenna because of the HOAs. The ARRL has not been able to fix that >> problem. >> >> I got my Novice ticket in 1957 during the hottest solar cycle since ham >> radio was invented. 40M was wall to wall signals between 7150 and 7200 >> every >> >> evening. You could make contacts every evening and it was not just HI, >> GOODBYE. It was a real QSO. >> >> Today with the exception of contest days the bands are pretty dead. I do >> see >> >> a lot of people calling CQ and getting no answers. >> >> Today people call CQ and expect answers on frequency, The don't tune >> around >> >> looking for an answer. >> >> What happened to building your own gear? Look at 50's, 60's or 70's ARRL >> Handbook. Then look at a recent ARRL Handbook. In the old days we did a >> lot >> >> of building. Kits or scratch building. We could buy parts at the local >> Radio/TV parts store. When I moved here 17 years ago there were two >> Radio/TV >> >> parts stores they are gone now. >> >> I think that 20 years from now Ham Radio will be history and there's not >> a >> thing Newington can do about it! >> >> Bob Macklin >> K5MYJ >> Seattle, Wa. >> "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "FRANK HUGHES hughes" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 4:48 AM >> Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? >> >> >>> As a new guy (2009), I have noticed that other people my age are more >>> common @ hamfests, don't see lots of younger people. >>> >>> >>> Good point about the technical skills, if you can't build it w/ surface >>> mount components these days, what other components are there to work >>> with? >>> >>> >>> I have only built one homebrew amp, and it took a very long time and >>> lots >>> >>> of scrounging to get all the iron and related items. >>> >>> >>> Next one will be LDMOS and DC volts, easy to source and work with. >>> I like the technical aspects more than actually operating, happier w/ a >>> soldering iron in my hand than a mic....weird???? >>> >>> >>> Also, I can no longer lift some of the boatanchors around here, and am >>> selling them off. >>> Not much luck selling, so far, as young people don't want boatanchors, >>> and >>> >>> the other other old guys already have more than they need too. >>> It does not help that the population of people who value boatanchors is >>> rapidly shrinking. >>> 10-15 years from now there will be one 99 year old guy remaining, with >>> 2834876 boatanchors piled up all around him, calling CQ into the >>> wilderness.... >>> >>> As a new guy, I never had the experience of good band conditions, as I >>> hear people discuss the way it was decades ago. >>> Wonder if the solar cycle is working against the phone part of the >>> hobby, >>> >>> thus less interest. >>> >>> >>> I know at least for me, phone is easy, but at my advanced age, there is >>> no >>> >>> hope of ever learning CW, (with a key), and using software to generate >>> CW >>> >>> does not sound like my kind of fun. >>> >>> >>> 73 >>> Frank >>> KJ4OLL >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >>> AMRadio mailing list >>> Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ >>> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >>> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >>> Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net >>> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with >>> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to macklinbob at gmail.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >> AMRadio mailing list >> Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ >> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >> Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net >> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with >> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to steinerviolinist at gmail.com >> > > > -- > http://oliversteiner.com From amvictor at ncsu.edu Sun Apr 30 11:00:47 2017 From: amvictor at ncsu.edu (Alan Victor) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 08:00:47 -0700 Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? In-Reply-To: References: <1206047897.91248534.1493552890063.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Perhaps all these collective comments should be forwarded to the ARRL. I suspect like any "hobby" or personal en devour, we all continue to be involved because we get something in return for the investment of time and energy. Perhaps the ARRL could create or stimulate the appeal that Radio had back in the glory days. Is that possible? Technology pushes us forward so I suspect the older folks among us, including myself may need to adapt. However, I agree, some of the new methods of operating are clearly BAD and just wrong. Alan W4AMV On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 7:47 AM, Oliver Steiner wrote: > When K5MYJ said: "You could make contacts every evening and it was not > just HI, GOODBYE. It was a real QSO." I found myself so strongly > agreeing with that. I was astonished when, in recent years a DX > station would give my call sign and the fake "5/9" signal report to me > and everybody else. To find out his call I would have to wait to > listen to 5 or 6 "QSOs" after mine! To find out his location and name > I would have to use the internet QRZ web site! To my mind, that does > not constitute a radio contact! Sometimes we AMers go too much to the > opposite extreme: One makes a contact; then one station after another > joins in, until one finds oneself in a five way roundtable with each > of the stations making an old buzzard transmission. This results in a > 50 minute wait in between your transmissions. During the 50 minutes > you might like to have a bathroom break, answer a phone call or get a > snack, but instead you are drumming your fingers on the operating desk > as you run out of patience. Perhaps, as in so many things, moderation > is preferable to extremes of overly short non-QSOs, or overly long 5 > way roundtables. > > > On 4/30/17, K5MYJ wrote: > > The people at W1AW just don't understand what is happening. > > > > The younger people now have their iTHING and the Internet. They don't > need > > either Ham Radio or CB. Around here CB is just as dead as the Ham Bands. > > > > People come to the club and get a Tech ticket. Then they get a 2M HT or > > maybe a transceiver made in Asia somewhere. They never upgrade. The cost > of > > > > a modern RICEBOX is too high for most. > > > > Then when young people buy a new house in a new sub-division they cannot > put > > > > up an antenna because of the HOAs. The ARRL has not been able to fix that > > problem. > > > > I got my Novice ticket in 1957 during the hottest solar cycle since ham > > radio was invented. 40M was wall to wall signals between 7150 and 7200 > every > > > > evening. You could make contacts every evening and it was not just HI, > > GOODBYE. It was a real QSO. > > > > Today with the exception of contest days the bands are pretty dead. I do > see > > > > a lot of people calling CQ and getting no answers. > > > > Today people call CQ and expect answers on frequency, The don't tune > around > > > > looking for an answer. > > > > What happened to building your own gear? Look at 50's, 60's or 70's ARRL > > Handbook. Then look at a recent ARRL Handbook. In the old days we did a > lot > > > > of building. Kits or scratch building. We could buy parts at the local > > Radio/TV parts store. When I moved here 17 years ago there were two > Radio/TV > > > > parts stores they are gone now. > > > > I think that 20 years from now Ham Radio will be history and there's not > a > > thing Newington can do about it! > > > > Bob Macklin > > K5MYJ > > Seattle, Wa. > > "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "FRANK HUGHES hughes" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 4:48 AM > > Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? > > > > > >> As a new guy (2009), I have noticed that other people my age are more > >> common @ hamfests, don't see lots of younger people. > >> > >> > >> Good point about the technical skills, if you can't build it w/ surface > >> mount components these days, what other components are there to work > >> with? > >> > >> > >> I have only built one homebrew amp, and it took a very long time and > lots > >> > >> of scrounging to get all the iron and related items. > >> > >> > >> Next one will be LDMOS and DC volts, easy to source and work with. > >> I like the technical aspects more than actually operating, happier w/ a > >> soldering iron in my hand than a mic....weird???? > >> > >> > >> Also, I can no longer lift some of the boatanchors around here, and am > >> selling them off. > >> Not much luck selling, so far, as young people don't want boatanchors, > and > >> > >> the other other old guys already have more than they need too. > >> It does not help that the population of people who value boatanchors is > >> rapidly shrinking. > >> 10-15 years from now there will be one 99 year old guy remaining, with > >> 2834876 boatanchors piled up all around him, calling CQ into the > >> wilderness.... > >> > >> As a new guy, I never had the experience of good band conditions, as I > >> hear people discuss the way it was decades ago. > >> Wonder if the solar cycle is working against the phone part of the > hobby, > >> > >> thus less interest. > >> > >> > >> I know at least for me, phone is easy, but at my advanced age, there is > no > >> > >> hope of ever learning CW, (with a key), and using software to generate > CW > >> > >> does not sound like my kind of fun. > >> > >> > >> 73 > >> Frank > >> KJ4OLL > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > >> AMRadio mailing list > >> Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > >> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > >> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > >> Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > >> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > >> the word unsubscribe in the message body. > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to macklinbob at gmail.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > > AMRadio mailing list > > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to steinerviolinist at gmail.com > > > > > -- > http://oliversteiner.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to amvictor at ncsu.edu > From n1rktnh at gmail.com Sun Apr 30 11:04:05 2017 From: n1rktnh at gmail.com (Tracy) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 11:04:05 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? Message-ID: Sad but true, I am in the towing business here at this end and deal with these 18 to 30 year old kids every night. Most of them graduated high school and still can not read or write. There is no common sense left with these kids, 2 plus 2 equals 4 some times. The younger generation out here today, can not fix or repair a simple item never mind build a house or radio from scratch, it is easier to go buy it for cheap money and then throw it away after breaking it because they could not read the instructions. The Un-educated are the primary breeders today, and they only want the kids to increase there FREE RIDE benefits. The educated semi intelligent are more worried about their careers than raising a family and wait till they are in the forties to have a child which has been proven to lower the IQ of the children, to old to start breeding. So this is the world we now live in, which is GREAT a dumb population is much easier to control. My two cents, Tracy N1RKT From lexnonscripta at usa.com Sun Apr 30 11:06:25 2017 From: lexnonscripta at usa.com (mark) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 10:06:25 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? In-Reply-To: <823F9BE8954A47D486607B28071742EA@IVORYTOWER> References: <1206047897.91248534.1493552890063.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com> <823F9BE8954A47D486607B28071742EA@IVORYTOWER> Message-ID: The weird thing about it, is watching eBay sales of Boat Anchors. The stuff is going somewhere. Daily I watch DX100s Vailants, Apaches and even the smaller globe transmitters auctioned off at high bucks. Heck, I paid 1200 for my T 368 and I did it GLADLY. I used to own a pair back around 1997-2001 when I ran the Midwest Classic Radio net. It was a hoot. Sold the pair for what I paid for this one. All these transmitters and receivers are going somewhere. Could it be that they are being sold just for the nostalgia and not getting use? Mark KD9CXH formerly KA9FBX > I miss the Old Buzzard AM roundtables. > > The NW AM group has faded into history! There's no AM here anymore. > Not much SSB either. > > And the current solar cycle is not helping much! > > Bob Macklin > K5MYJ > Seattle, Wa. > "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oliver Steiner" > > To: "K5MYJ" > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 7:47 AM > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? > > >> When K5MYJ said: "You could make contacts every evening and it was not >> just HI, GOODBYE. It was a real QSO." I found myself so strongly >> agreeing with that. I was astonished when, in recent years a DX >> station would give my call sign and the fake "5/9" signal report to me >> and everybody else. To find out his call I would have to wait to >> listen to 5 or 6 "QSOs" after mine! To find out his location and name >> I would have to use the internet QRZ web site! To my mind, that does >> not constitute a radio contact! Sometimes we AMers go too much to the >> opposite extreme: One makes a contact; then one station after another >> joins in, until one finds oneself in a five way roundtable with each >> of the stations making an old buzzard transmission. This results in a >> 50 minute wait in between your transmissions. During the 50 minutes >> you might like to have a bathroom break, answer a phone call or get a >> snack, but instead you are drumming your fingers on the operating desk >> as you run out of patience. Perhaps, as in so many things, moderation >> is preferable to extremes of overly short non-QSOs, or overly long 5 >> way roundtables. >> >> >> On 4/30/17, K5MYJ wrote: >>> The people at W1AW just don't understand what is happening. >>> >>> The younger people now have their iTHING and the Internet. They >>> don't need >>> either Ham Radio or CB. Around here CB is just as dead as the Ham >>> Bands. >>> >>> People come to the club and get a Tech ticket. Then they get a 2M HT or >>> maybe a transceiver made in Asia somewhere. They never upgrade. The >>> cost of >>> >>> a modern RICEBOX is too high for most. >>> >>> Then when young people buy a new house in a new sub-division they >>> cannot put >>> >>> up an antenna because of the HOAs. The ARRL has not been able to fix >>> that >>> problem. >>> >>> I got my Novice ticket in 1957 during the hottest solar cycle since ham >>> radio was invented. 40M was wall to wall signals between 7150 and >>> 7200 every >>> >>> evening. You could make contacts every evening and it was not just HI, >>> GOODBYE. It was a real QSO. >>> >>> Today with the exception of contest days the bands are pretty dead. >>> I do see >>> >>> a lot of people calling CQ and getting no answers. >>> >>> Today people call CQ and expect answers on frequency, The don't tune >>> around >>> >>> looking for an answer. >>> >>> What happened to building your own gear? Look at 50's, 60's or 70's >>> ARRL >>> Handbook. Then look at a recent ARRL Handbook. In the old days we >>> did a lot >>> >>> of building. Kits or scratch building. We could buy parts at the local >>> Radio/TV parts store. When I moved here 17 years ago there were two >>> Radio/TV >>> >>> parts stores they are gone now. >>> >>> I think that 20 years from now Ham Radio will be history and there's >>> not a >>> thing Newington can do about it! >>> >>> Bob Macklin >>> K5MYJ >>> Seattle, Wa. >>> "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "FRANK HUGHES hughes" >>> To: >>> Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 4:48 AM >>> Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? >>> >>> >>>> As a new guy (2009), I have noticed that other people my age are more >>>> common @ hamfests, don't see lots of younger people. >>>> >>>> >>>> Good point about the technical skills, if you can't build it w/ >>>> surface >>>> mount components these days, what other components are there to work >>>> with? >>>> >>>> >>>> I have only built one homebrew amp, and it took a very long time >>>> and lots >>>> >>>> of scrounging to get all the iron and related items. >>>> >>>> >>>> Next one will be LDMOS and DC volts, easy to source and work with. >>>> I like the technical aspects more than actually operating, happier >>>> w/ a >>>> soldering iron in my hand than a mic....weird???? >>>> >>>> >>>> Also, I can no longer lift some of the boatanchors around here, and am >>>> selling them off. >>>> Not much luck selling, so far, as young people don't want >>>> boatanchors, and >>>> >>>> the other other old guys already have more than they need too. >>>> It does not help that the population of people who value >>>> boatanchors is >>>> rapidly shrinking. >>>> 10-15 years from now there will be one 99 year old guy remaining, with >>>> 2834876 boatanchors piled up all around him, calling CQ into the >>>> wilderness.... >>>> >>>> As a new guy, I never had the experience of good band conditions, as I >>>> hear people discuss the way it was decades ago. >>>> Wonder if the solar cycle is working against the phone part of the >>>> hobby, >>>> >>>> thus less interest. >>>> >>>> >>>> I know at least for me, phone is easy, but at my advanced age, >>>> there is no >>>> >>>> hope of ever learning CW, (with a key), and using software to >>>> generate CW >>>> >>>> does not sound like my kind of fun. >>>> >>>> >>>> 73 >>>> Frank >>>> KJ4OLL >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >>>> AMRadio mailing list >>>> Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ >>>> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >>>> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >>>> Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net >>>> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with >>>> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to macklinbob at gmail.com >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >>> AMRadio mailing list >>> Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ >>> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >>> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >>> Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net >>> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with >>> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to steinerviolinist at gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> http://oliversteiner.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lexnonscripta at usa.com > From lexnonscripta at usa.com Sun Apr 30 11:08:42 2017 From: lexnonscripta at usa.com (mark) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 10:08:42 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b43723d-af78-9e34-dbd5-4dc666318aef@usa.com> "There is no common sense left with these kids, 2 plus 2 equals 4 some times" Havent you heard? Truth is relative! > There is no common sense left with these kids, 2 plus 2 equals 4 some > times From donroden at hiwaay.net Sun Apr 30 11:04:04 2017 From: donroden at hiwaay.net (donroden at hiwaay.net) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 10:04:04 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? In-Reply-To: References: <1206047897.91248534.1493552890063.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <20170430100404.Horde.VQLqlyPwiQ3fEAtiSq-TJ8I@webmail.hiwaay.net> Quoting K5MYJ : > The people at W1AW just don't understand what is happening. > > The younger people now have their iTHING and the Internet. They > don't need either Ham Radio or CB. Agreed !! My grandson passed his technician license when he was 12 years old. He's in graduate school now and his friends around the States communicate using a pocket sized screen on Facebook and Twitter. I've been licensed since 1962, and just recently tried Echolink. I can be at work and talk to people all around the world through an Echolink, but what's the point ?? The *Magic* just isn't there. I could as easily just call the person in Australia on their cell phone and talk QRM free. I may be a dinosaur in a dying hobby, but I purchased a Valiant last hamfest and I'm going back to my roots... ( also bought a DX-40 that completes my original Novice station ). Will this new license save the ARRL and as a secondary purpose.. Ham Radio ?? Doubtful. Don W4DNR ( Life ARRL ) DonR From w5jv at hotmail.com Sun Apr 30 11:27:07 2017 From: w5jv at hotmail.com (Doug Hensley) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 15:27:07 +0000 Subject: [AMRadio] Yeeee Hawwww In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Out of the rabble of a thousand party goer's may emerge a hundred good hams. So I'm not opposed, I just hope the rabble does not cause harm to what allocation we now have. Doug W5JV P.S. Have some AM radio station audio gear for sale. Need anything? From w5jo at brightok.net Sun Apr 30 12:05:10 2017 From: w5jo at brightok.net (w5jo at brightok.net) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 11:05:10 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? In-Reply-To: References: <1206047897.91248534.1493552890063.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Some time back I noticed that the ARRL began pushing the Emergency Communications aspect of the hobby. I live in tornado alley and many hams, a lot of them city, county and state employees all tested for the Technician license so they could do storm spotting and disaster communications on a local basis. You don't hear them on otherwise. The other aspect the ARRL has been pushing is the digital communications modes, as evidenced by their recent push to take a portion of the 80 meter band from phone and give it to digital. I hope everyone commented on that one. Another aspect of ham radio, for me, was getting to know people and the airwaves gave a wide diversity, but today Facebook has all one wants to know about others and Twitter will tell you what they are thinking up to the minute. About the only avenue for new hams who want to operate AM has been the CB band but now, even that has seemed to decline. Who knows what will happen but I have seen several new hams in their 40s get on the air with AM. I just finished working with one up in NY who has a DX 100 that he bought some time back and wanted it on the air. He could not find help locally so I spend several months coaching him on trouble shooting technique via email. He is now happily on the air. He is in his late 40s and a nice type to hold a license. Maybe things will turn for the better, I am optimistic. Jim W5JO -----Original Message----- Perhaps all these collective comments should be forwarded to the ARRL. I suspect like any "hobby" or personal en devour, we all continue to be involved because we get something in return for the investment of time and energy. Perhaps the ARRL could create or stimulate the appeal that Radio had back in the glory days. Is that possible? Technology pushes us forward so I suspect the older folks among us, including myself may need to adapt. However, I agree, some of the new methods of operating are clearly BAD and just wrong. Alan W4AMV From tchesek at ptd.net Sun Apr 30 13:03:00 2017 From: tchesek at ptd.net (Thomas Chesek) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 13:03:00 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? In-Reply-To: References: <1206047897.91248534.1493552890063.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <036601d2c1d3$9ff06dc0$dfd14940$@ptd.net> I guess that my take on the situation is for us not to bemoan the circumstances but just enjoy what we can. We are all on the conveyor belt of life heading toward the end and most of us will go over the edge around the same time and then it won't matter what is left of ham radio.. Tom K3TVC From Commtekman at aol.com Sun Apr 30 14:09:07 2017 From: Commtekman at aol.com (Commtekman at aol.com) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 14:09:07 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? Message-ID: <1da620.7ba30cf3.46378242@aol.com> I agree with that! I got my Novice ticket in 1958 and when I supposed to be asleep in bed I was on the air with my DX-20 I saved money for and also mowed enough lawns to save and buy a S-20R receiver. I will never forget working a W3 from California, almost fell on the floor with excitement. Well, that was about 59 years ago. I became a life member of the ARRL, but now looking at QST it appears they are really interested in selling books and other printed material. I don't know how bright the future is for the ARRL- 73 Bob Schaefer K6OSM since 1960 DL5IW 1961-1963 Retired senior microwave technician U.S. Merchant Marine Radio Officer NASA ARISS Technical Consultant In a message dated 4/30/2017 6:38:55 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, macklinbob at gmail.com writes: The people at W1AW just don't understand what is happening. The younger people now have their iTHING and the Internet. They don't need either Ham Radio or CB. Around here CB is just as dead as the Ham Bands. People come to the club and get a Tech ticket. Then they get a 2M HT or maybe a transceiver made in Asia somewhere. They never upgrade. The cost of a modern RICEBOX is too high for most. Then when young people buy a new house in a new sub-division they cannot put up an antenna because of the HOAs. The ARRL has not been able to fix that problem. I got my Novice ticket in 1957 during the hottest solar cycle since ham radio was invented. 40M was wall to wall signals between 7150 and 7200 every evening. You could make contacts every evening and it was not just HI, GOODBYE. It was a real QSO. Today with the exception of contest days the bands are pretty dead. I do see a lot of people calling CQ and getting no answers. Today people call CQ and expect answers on frequency, The don't tune around looking for an answer. What happened to building your own gear? Look at 50's, 60's or 70's ARRL Handbook. Then look at a recent ARRL Handbook. In the old days we did a lot of building. Kits or scratch building. We could buy parts at the local Radio/TV parts store. When I moved here 17 years ago there were two Radio/TV parts stores they are gone now. I think that 20 years from now Ham Radio will be history and there's not a thing Newington can do about it! Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa. "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" ----- Original Message ----- From: "FRANK HUGHES hughes" To: Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 4:48 AM Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? > As a new guy (2009), I have noticed that other people my age are more > common @ hamfests, don't see lots of younger people. > > > Good point about the technical skills, if you can't build it w/ surface > mount components these days, what other components are there to work with? > > > I have only built one homebrew amp, and it took a very long time and lots > of scrounging to get all the iron and related items. > > > Next one will be LDMOS and DC volts, easy to source and work with. > I like the technical aspects more than actually operating, happier w/ a > soldering iron in my hand than a mic....weird???? > > > Also, I can no longer lift some of the boatanchors around here, and am > selling them off. > Not much luck selling, so far, as young people don't want boatanchors, and > the other other old guys already have more than they need too. > It does not help that the population of people who value boatanchors is > rapidly shrinking. > 10-15 years from now there will be one 99 year old guy remaining, with > 2834876 boatanchors piled up all around him, calling CQ into the > wilderness.... > > As a new guy, I never had the experience of good band conditions, as I > hear people discuss the way it was decades ago. > Wonder if the solar cycle is working against the phone part of the hobby, > thus less interest. > > > I know at least for me, phone is easy, but at my advanced age, there is no > hope of ever learning CW, (with a key), and using software to generate CW > does not sound like my kind of fun. > > > 73 > Frank > KJ4OLL > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to macklinbob at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to commtekman at aol.com From k4kyv at charter.net Sun Apr 30 14:25:17 2017 From: k4kyv at charter.net (Donald Chester) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 13:25:17 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? In-Reply-To: References: <1206047897.91248534.1493552890063.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <003901d2c1df$1e07ef70$5a17ce50$@charter.net> > What happened to building your own gear? Look at 50's, 60's or 70's ARRL > Handbook. Then look at a recent ARRL Handbook. In the old days we did a lot > of building. Kits or scratch building. We could buy parts at the local Radio/TV > parts store. When I moved here 17 years ago there were two Radio/TV parts > stores they are gone now. > > I think that 20 years from now Ham Radio will be history and there's not a > thing Newington can do about it! > > Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa. I think you may be right; at least ham radio AS WE KNOW IT will likely be history. Newington can do nothing about it because this is due to market forces beyond our reach. This is not unique to ham radio; it's a phenomenon impregnated throughout the fabric of to-day's society and economy. Take another issue that's making big headlines in the news these days; the decline of the coal industry. There's no "war on coal" per se; coal is being over-run by other markets and other energy sources. Natural gas. Solar. Wind. Maybe someday in future, nuclear fusion. Analogous to ham radio's present over-run by cellular technology, internet and social media. The coal industry won't be reinvigorated by killing off environmental regulations, just as ham radio won't be reinvigorated by dumbing down the entry level. The politicians who promise to bring back the coal mining jobs are the same voices shouting in the wilderness as those shouting they will bring back renewed interest in ham radio. The market forces that have brought these declines are too powerful to reverse with simple-minded environmental deregulation or simple-minded "novice enhancement". Only some unforeseen direction in technology will bring back either the coal industry or ham radio. There will always be a market for coal, particularly in the production of steel and manufacture of plastics, but its use as a primary source of energy will continue to decline to a trickle and there's nothing any politician can do about it. Likewise, there will always be some form of ham radio (if governments of the world don't decide to get rid of us merely because it's too much trouble to administer licences and enforce regulations), but it will be minuscule compared to what most of us grew up with. We may even keep the HF bands, but they will be populated with ever-declining activity; we will hold onto them only because no-one else has a use for them. After all, people still raise horses and enjoy riding them. There are many more present-day analogies to the amateur radio situation; I just picked coal because it's currently such a hot topic in the news. The best we can do is not to give in, but to continue to operate as we have in the past until there's no-one left to talk to. We can continue to build and modify transmitters and erect antennas until we are too old and decrepit to lift transformers, drill sheet metal and climb towers. So, let's enjoy it while we still can. Continue to rescue as much vintage stuff from the landfill as possible, until every last person who values it is dead. But don't count on any contrived PR campaign to magically generate hordes of youngsters enthralled by amateur radio, or count on any politician to "bring back coal". Don k4kyv PS: The following seems particularly pertinent to this discussion: **On the Vanity of Earthly Greatness** The tusks that clashed in mighty brawls Of mastodons, are billiard balls. The sword of Charlemagne the Just Is ferric oxide, known as rust. The grizzly bear whose potent hug Was feared by all, is now a rug. Great Caesar's bust is on my shelf, And I don't feel so well myself. - Arthur Guiterman (1871-1943) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From jcandela at prodigy.net Sun Apr 30 14:25:52 2017 From: jcandela at prodigy.net (Jim Candela) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 18:25:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? In-Reply-To: <16D5BBEA-03CF-4806-9022-91DD1FCC4513@suddenlink.net> References: <1206047897.91248534.1493552890063.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com> <16D5BBEA-03CF-4806-9022-91DD1FCC4513@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <1217519156.947928.1493576752243@mail.yahoo.com> Darrell, ? The issue is bigger than that. Remember someyears ago we had the "occupy wallstreet" crowd? One desire of those young Americans was to have a living wage in return for doing nothing.? I am in the Semiconductor capital equipment business. Most of the employees I work with have gray hair, and are mid 50's and up. Off the street lower level employees are given at least $15 an hour with no experience! About 1/3 of them quit on the first day, and about 1/2 of them leave before the first break. Why? Well the work is not hard, but it is steady. Two issues prevail, 1.) they cannot look at their phone during company time, 2.) they need to be standing, and wearing a clean room bunny suit. ?? So why would someone that only wants someone else to enable them (pay their way), where their main desire is to stare at their phone 19 hours a day while sitting on their butts want to get into ham radio? In the sate of NJ, 46% of Millenials live with their parents! JimWd5JKO On Sunday, April 30, 2017 9:21 AM, WA5VGO wrote: You are exactly right. I'm constantly amazed that so many allegedly educated people can be in such denial. When's the last time you saw a kid collect model trains, fly a kite, or form a bicycle club? It's a dying hobby and no amount of dumbing things down will change that.? Darrell > On Apr 30, 2017, at 8:38 AM, K5MYJ wrote: > > The people at W1AW just don't understand what is happening. > > The younger people now have their iTHING and the Internet. They don't need either Ham Radio or CB. Around here CB is just as dead as the Ham Bands. > > People come to the club and get a Tech ticket. Then they get a 2M HT or maybe a transceiver made in Asia somewhere. They never upgrade. The cost of a modern RICEBOX is too high for most. > > Then when young people buy a new house in a new sub-division they cannot put up an antenna because of the HOAs. The ARRL has not been able to fix that problem. > > I got my Novice ticket in 1957 during the hottest solar cycle since ham radio was invented. 40M was wall to wall signals between 7150 and 7200 every evening. You could make contacts every evening and it was not just HI, GOODBYE. It was a real QSO. > > Today with the exception of contest days the bands are pretty dead. I do see a lot of people calling CQ and getting no answers. > > Today people call CQ and expect answers on frequency, The don't tune around looking for an answer. > > What happened to building your own gear? Look at 50's, 60's or 70's ARRL Handbook. Then look at a recent ARRL Handbook. In the old days we did a lot of building. Kits or scratch building. We could buy parts? at the local Radio/TV parts store. When I moved here 17 years ago there were two Radio/TV parts stores they are gone now. > > I think that 20 years from now Ham Radio will be history and there's not a thing Newington can do about it! > > Bob Macklin > K5MYJ > Seattle, Wa. > "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jcandela at prodigy.net From donroden at hiwaay.net Sun Apr 30 14:39:45 2017 From: donroden at hiwaay.net (donroden at hiwaay.net) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 13:39:45 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? In-Reply-To: <1da620.7ba30cf3.46378242@aol.com> Message-ID: <20170430133945.Horde.6hkKiqrPVBl5lIs3otuLRbA@webmail.hiwaay.net> > macklinbob at gmail.com writes: > I got my Novice ticket in 1957 during the hottest solar cycle since ham > radio was invented. 40M was wall to wall signals between 7150 and 7200 > every evening. You could make contacts every evening and it was not just HI, > GOODBYE. It was a real QSO. My mentor ( SK ) had QSLs from all over the world.. Exotic places that I could only dream about as a farm kid. Radio was all about "possibilities". His QSLs were all on 50.400Mhz using a Lafayette AM rig with a 2E26 final ( maybe 10 watts carrier ? ) and a receiver sensitivity of one microvolt if lucky. That must have been exciting. Maybe next cycle ?? Fingers crossed. Don W4DNR DonR From donroden at hiwaay.net Sun Apr 30 14:48:16 2017 From: donroden at hiwaay.net (donroden at hiwaay.net) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 13:48:16 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? In-Reply-To: <003901d2c1df$1e07ef70$5a17ce50$@charter.net> References: <1206047897.91248534.1493552890063.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com> <003901d2c1df$1e07ef70$5a17ce50$@charter.net> Message-ID: <20170430134816.Horde.IC3-Ea5AoPaXuzidnHv-vzq@webmail.hiwaay.net> Quoting Donald Chester : > Take another issue that's > making big headlines in the news these days; the decline of the coal > industry. There's no "war on coal" per se; coal is being over-run by other > markets and other energy sources. We still see several long ( 50-75 car ) coal trains pass through Huntsville every day. Where they come from and where they are going ?? TVA ceased coal fired electric plants several years ago ( or so I was told ). Maybe they have started back up. Don W4DNR DonR From dave at W5QWX.com Sun Apr 30 14:56:53 2017 From: dave at W5QWX.com (Dave W5QWX) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 13:56:53 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Content not allowed Message-ID: I tried to make a post to AMradio in response to AMdigest mailings and it was returned with ?The message's content type was not explicitly allowed? What does this mean? Am I not allowed to post comments? If so what was in the post not allowed? I would like to know what to not include in may post so that what can be posted is posted. Thank you, David Langley de W5QWX From oldrotorheadsarge at outlook.com Sun Apr 30 15:16:13 2017 From: oldrotorheadsarge at outlook.com (Robert Bethman) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 19:16:13 +0000 Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio Message-ID: Those of us that still do operate will continue. I have to take a pause before I can get my antennas back up where they need to be. I absolutely have no room for 160meters. Even 75meters is going to be a stretch. I do have 40meters with a Double Bazooka. I no longer have heavy tube gear. My Arthritis has caused all of it to be disposed of. I am now stuck with a factory refurbished Kenwood TS-2000. I also have managed to obtain an ALS-1306 Solid State Amplifier. I can put 10W AM into it and get full legal output. I can go SSB or CW at full output into the amplifier. The antennas have to wait until the outside part of my deck is stripped of the wood put down in 1993. The new lumber is being delivered on May 3rd. Then I have to install all of it. So it will be the bottom half of May before I can do anything else. I also have stupid restrictions by the city! No tower unless I can guarantee it would fall ONLY on MY Property! Since this parcel barely will fit the 70 foot Double Bazooka, that leaves me with far less height to run any antenna system. Yet there are NO HOAs or Covenants. Just some dumb Bureaucracy!. I have had run ins with Zoning in the past. I submitted my plans for this Deck in 1993. Only to have Zoning call me directly, informing me that I was living in an illegal domicile! I started to laugh at the fool! She then stated, "You are not taking this seriously." I told her flat out that any lawyer would GLADLY take this on! Plain and simple, *IF* this is an illegal domicile, then this City has been Fraudulently collecting taxes since the City became such in 1973! I flat let it be known that I WOULD pursue such a Law Suit for not only the taxes, but all the interest that would have accumulated on such funds! This whole idiocy was based on a Survey that showed one corner of this house was 1/10th of a foot too close to the property line! What a farce! This individual then stated that I would have to put up a $200 bond and request a waiver. I flat told her that it was NOT going to happen! She finally told me to send a letter stating that I had NOT picked up the house and moved it. So she got her dang letter! My Deck Permit was approved. Bureaucratic idiocy just astounds me! Really, I just decided to arbitrarily reach down and move the house? Whom is out of their mind? This is what some of us have to deal with! Now back to regularly programming! Bob N0DGN -----Original Message----- From: AMRadio [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Donald Chester Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 2:25 PM I think you may be right; at least ham radio AS WE KNOW IT will likely be history. Newington can do nothing about it because this is due to market forces beyond our reach. This is not unique to ham radio; it's a phenomenon impregnated throughout the fabric of to-day's society and economy. Take another issue that's making big headlines in the news these days; the decline of the coal industry. There's no "war on coal" per se; coal is being over-run by other markets and other energy sources. Natural gas. Solar. Wind. Maybe someday in future, nuclear fusion. Analogous to ham radio's present over-run by cellular technology, internet and social media. The coal industry won't be reinvigorated by killing off environmental regulations, just as ham radio won't be reinvigorated by dumbing down the entry level. The politicians who promise to bring back the coal mining jobs are the same voices shouting in the wilderness as those shouting they will bring back renewed interest in ham radio. The market forces that have brought these declines are too powerful to reverse with simple-minded environmental deregulation or simple-minded "novice enhancement". Only some unforeseen direction in technology will bring back either the coal industry or ham radio. There will always be a market for coal, particularly in the production of steel and manufacture of plastics, but its use as a primary source of energy will continue to decline to a trickle and there's nothing any politician can do about it. Likewise, there will always be some form of ham radio (if governments of the world don't decide to get rid of us merely because it's too much trouble to administer licences and enforce regulations), but it will be minuscule compared to what most of us grew up with. We may even keep the HF bands, but they will be populated with ever-declining activity; we will hold onto them only because no-one else has a use for them. After all, people still raise horses and enjoy riding them. There are many more present-day analogies to the amateur radio situation; I just picked coal because it's currently such a hot topic in the news. The best we can do is not to give in, but to continue to operate as we have in the past until there's no-one left to talk to. We can continue to build and modify transmitters and erect antennas until we are too old and decrepit to lift transformers, drill sheet metal and climb towers. So, let's enjoy it while we still can. Continue to rescue as much vintage stuff from the landfill as possible, until every last person who values it is dead. But don't count on any contrived PR campaign to magically generate hordes of youngsters enthralled by amateur radio, or count on any politician to "bring back coal". Don k4kyv PS: The following seems particularly pertinent to this discussion: **On the Vanity of Earthly Greatness** The tusks that clashed in mighty brawls Of mastodons, are billiard balls. The sword of Charlemagne the Just Is ferric oxide, known as rust. The grizzly bear whose potent hug Was feared by all, is now a rug. Great Caesar's bust is on my shelf, And I don't feel so well myself. - Arthur Guiterman (1871-1943) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to oldrotorheadsarge at outlook.com From ne1s at securespeed.us Sun Apr 30 15:17:52 2017 From: ne1s at securespeed.us (Larry Szendrei) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 15:17:52 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? In-Reply-To: <20170430134816.Horde.IC3-Ea5AoPaXuzidnHv-vzq@webmail.hiwaay.net> References: <1206047897.91248534.1493552890063.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com> <003901d2c1df$1e07ef70$5a17ce50$@charter.net> <20170430134816.Horde.IC3-Ea5AoPaXuzidnHv-vzq@webmail.hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <0fec26bd-463a-9a13-daf4-0841dd620f6e@securespeed.us> On 4/30/17 2:48 PM, donroden at hiwaay.net wrote: > > Quoting Donald Chester : >> Take another issue that's >> making big headlines in the news these days; the decline of the coal >> industry. There's no "war on coal" per se; coal is being over-run by >> other >> markets and other energy sources. > > We still see several long ( 50-75 car ) coal trains pass through > Huntsville every day. Where they come from and where they are going ?? > TVA ceased coal fired electric plants several years ago ( or so I was > told ). > Maybe they have started back up. I still burn coal for heat (in a 100% manually-operated coal stove); it's the only way I can keep this drafty old Maine farmhouse reasonably warm at an affordable price during the coldest months. I burn about 2-1/2 ton a season, and supplement it with wood and a bit of heating oil. -soapbox mode on- Politicians shouldn't be using policy to encourage or discourage any form of energy, be it coal, electric, oil, wind, solar, or whatever. The free market is each person making their vote with his own checkbook, and that's the most honest vote there is. As Don said, the demand for coal will probably dwindle on its own, but we can't really know for sure until the government gets out of the energy business, and I'm not holding my breath for that. -soapbox mode off- Back on topic, I'm still building, repairing, experimenting, operating, and generally having fun with ham radio. I can only control what I do myself. Last major project was a homebrew mid-1930s- style HF superhet receiver that works so well I use it for most of my QSOs these days; completed that in early December. Right now I'm fixing up a DX-100 that's been off the air for several years for a guy who has gotten into operating AM but wants to use something other than his "ricebox." 73, -Larry/NE1S From bguyger at yahoo.com Sun Apr 30 15:35:04 2017 From: bguyger at yahoo.com (Bill Guyger) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 14:35:04 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? In-Reply-To: <20170430134816.Horde.IC3-Ea5AoPaXuzidnHv-vzq@webmail.hiwaay.net> References: <1206047897.91248534.1493552890063.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com> <003901d2c1df$1e07ef70$5a17ce50$@charter.net> <20170430134816.Horde.IC3-Ea5AoPaXuzidnHv-vzq@webmail.hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <69206B98-082C-4EEF-A69F-ED92057F4AE6@yahoo.com> I know some plants in East Texas are coal fired. Bill AD5OL Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 30, 2017, at 1:48 PM, donroden at hiwaay.net wrote: > > > Quoting Donald Chester : >> Take another issue that's >> making big headlines in the news these days; the decline of the coal >> industry. There's no "war on coal" per se; coal is being over-run by other >> markets and other energy sources. > > We still see several long ( 50-75 car ) coal trains pass through Huntsville every day. Where they come from and where they are going ?? > TVA ceased coal fired electric plants several years ago ( or so I was told ). > Maybe they have started back up. > > Don W4DNR > > > DonR > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bguyger at yahoo.com From oldrotorheadsarge at outlook.com Sun Apr 30 15:36:59 2017 From: oldrotorheadsarge at outlook.com (Robert Bethman) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 19:36:59 +0000 Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio Message-ID: Those of us that still do operate will continue. I have to take a pause before I can get my antennas back up where they need to be. I absolutely have no room for 160meters. Even 75meters is going to be a stretch. I do have 40meters with a Double Bazooka. I no longer have heavy tube gear. My Arthritis has caused all of it to be disposed of. I am now stuck with a factory refurbished Kenwood TS-2000. I also have managed to obtain an ALS-1306 Solid State Amplifier. I can put 10W AM into it and get full legal output. I can go SSB or CW at full output into the amplifier. The antennas have to wait until the outside part of my deck is stripped of the wood put down in 1993. The new lumber is being delivered on May 3rd. Then I have to install all of it. So it will be the bottom half of May before I can do anything else. I also have stupid restrictions by the city! No tower unless I can guarantee it would fall ONLY on MY Property! Since this parcel barely will fit the 70 foot Double Bazooka, that leaves me with far less height to run any antenna system. Yet there are NO HOAs or Covenants. Just some dumb Bureaucracy!. I have had run ins with Zoning in the past. I submitted my plans for this Deck in 1993. Only to have Zoning call me directly, informing me that I was living in an illegal domicile! I started to laugh at the fool! She then stated, "You are not taking this seriously." I told her flat out that any lawyer would GLADLY take this on! Plain and simple, *IF* this is an illegal domicile, then this City has been Fraudulently collecting taxes since the City became such in 1973! I flat let it be known that I WOULD pursue such a Law Suit for not only the taxes, but all the interest that would have accumulated on such funds! This whole idiocy was based on a Survey that showed one corner of this house was 1/10th of a foot too close to the property line! What a farce! This individual then stated that I would have to put up a $200 bond and request a waiver. I flat told her that it was NOT going to happen! She finally told me to send a letter stating that I had NOT picked up the house and moved it. So she got her dang letter! My Deck Permit was approved. Bureaucratic idiocy just astounds me! Really, I just decided to arbitrarily reach down and move the house? Whom is out of their mind? This is what some of us have to deal with! Now back to regularly programming! Bob N0DGN -----Original Message----- From: AMRadio [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Donald Chester Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 2:25 PM To: amradio at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? I think you may be right; at least ham radio AS WE KNOW IT will likely be history. Newington can do nothing about it because this is due to market forces beyond our reach. This is not unique to ham radio; it's a phenomenon impregnated throughout the fabric of to-day's society and economy. Take another issue that's making big headlines in the news these days; the decline of the coal industry. There's no "war on coal" per se; coal is being over-run by other markets and other energy sources. Natural gas. Solar. Wind. Maybe someday in future, nuclear fusion. Analogous to ham radio's present over-run by cellular technology, internet and social media. The coal industry won't be reinvigorated by killing off environmental regulations, just as ham radio won't be reinvigorated by dumbing down the entry level. The politicians who promise to bring back the coal mining jobs are the same voices shouting in the wilderness as those shouting they will bring back renewed interest in ham radio. The market forces that have brought these declines are too powerful to reverse with simple-minded environmental deregulation or simple-minded "novice enhancement". Only some unforeseen direction in technology will bring back either the coal industry or ham radio. There will always be a market for coal, particularly in the production of steel and manufacture of plastics, but its use as a primary source of energy will continue to decline to a trickle and there's nothing any politician can do about it. Likewise, there will always be some form of ham radio (if governments of the world don't decide to get rid of us merely because it's too much trouble to administer licences and enforce regulations), but it will be minuscule compared to what most of us grew up with. We may even keep the HF bands, but they will be populated with ever-declining activity; we will hold onto them only because no-one else has a use for them. After all, people still raise horses and enjoy riding them. There are many more present-day analogies to the amateur radio situation; I just picked coal because it's currently such a hot topic in the news. The best we can do is not to give in, but to continue to operate as we have in the past until there's no-one left to talk to. We can continue to build and modify transmitters and erect antennas until we are too old and decrepit to lift transformers, drill sheet metal and climb towers. So, let's enjoy it while we still can. Continue to rescue as much vintage stuff from the landfill as possible, until every last person who values it is dead. But don't count on any contrived PR campaign to magically generate hordes of youngsters enthralled by amateur radio, or count on any politician to "bring back coal". Don k4kyv PS: The following seems particularly pertinent to this discussion: **On the Vanity of Earthly Greatness** The tusks that clashed in mighty brawls Of mastodons, are billiard balls. The sword of Charlemagne the Just Is ferric oxide, known as rust. The grizzly bear whose potent hug Was feared by all, is now a rug. Great Caesar's bust is on my shelf, And I don't feel so well myself. - Arthur Guiterman (1871-1943) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to oldrotorheadsarge at outlook.com From dave at W5QWX.com Sun Apr 30 15:48:05 2017 From: dave at W5QWX.com (Dave W5QWX) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 14:48:05 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? Message-ID: <6D2A262C970E47619F4D3B42C3B0A4BA@DavidPC> I have been reading the comments for a while now and do get a chuckle sometime. Doubt I have ever posted anything here so this is surprising, even to me. You see, I am an ?old buzzard? and do get nostalgic about the ?good old days? when you could count on great propagation to keep a schedule with a group of guys several thousand miles away every evening at the same time on 40 meters, and on AM to boot. Of course most of those guys are now SK, or like me, approaching that status. If not for good surgeons and a pace maker implant this next Thursday, I would have already joined them. And of course propagation has not ever been that good since. I have to agree with most of the post I have read the last few days. However, I do believe that this hobby of ours has been on a decline for some time, just as the whole culture has been. Speaking to the comments on dumbing down etc.. and will continue. It started years ago. Not just the removal of the CW requirement but the exams and the way they are administered. How many remember taking an exam before the FCC ? Remember all the math without using a slide rule or calculator, and drawing the schematics plugging in the parts from previously answered questions? When I ran several businesses, there were times when I held employment interviews with young people having just graduated high school and was really shocked by what the schools were turning out. First, I blamed the schools out of hand, and then realized it was not all their fault or problem but the parents and family units too. These kids could barely read above 5th grade level. Reading retention was about 3rd grade level, and math was barely above counting on fingers. Complaints to the school district went no where, and I was told to talk to the parents. Good luck with that. Seems parents were either to busy trying to make a living or just did not care what was going on with the kids. School will take care of teaching them what they need to know, as well as baby sit them! That was the jest of replies from some families that bothered to talk to me. Being retired now about 20 years, I leave the above worry to others, and plod along rebuilding my ?old stuff? and try to enjoy what?s left of propagation to send RF here and there once in a while/. The storm yesterday and this morning took down all my wires so will be a while before any RF escapes from this location. 73, Dave de W5QWX From: amradio-request at mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 10:06 AM To: amradio at mailman.qth.net Subject: AMRadio Digest, Vol 159, Issue 7 Send AMRadio mailing list submissions to amradio at mailman.qth.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net You can reach the person managing the list at amradio-owner at mailman.qth.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of AMRadio digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Ham Radio in decline? (Alan Victor) 2. Re: Ham Radio in decline? (Tracy) 3. Re: Ham Radio in decline? (mark) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 08:00:47 -0700 From: Alan Victor To: Oliver Steiner Cc: K5MYJ , Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Perhaps all these collective comments should be forwarded to the ARRL. I suspect like any "hobby" or personal en devour, we all continue to be involved because we get something in return for the investment of time and energy. Perhaps the ARRL could create or stimulate the appeal that Radio had back in the glory days. Is that possible? Technology pushes us forward so I suspect the older folks among us, including myself may need to adapt. However, I agree, some of the new methods of operating are clearly BAD and just wrong. Alan W4AMV On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 7:47 AM, Oliver Steiner wrote: > When K5MYJ said: "You could make contacts every evening and it was not > just HI, GOODBYE. It was a real QSO." I found myself so strongly > agreeing with that. I was astonished when, in recent years a DX > station would give my call sign and the fake "5/9" signal report to me > and everybody else. To find out his call I would have to wait to > listen to 5 or 6 "QSOs" after mine! To find out his location and name > I would have to use the internet QRZ web site! To my mind, that does > not constitute a radio contact! Sometimes we AMers go too much to the > opposite extreme: One makes a contact; then one station after another > joins in, until one finds oneself in a five way roundtable with each > of the stations making an old buzzard transmission. This results in a > 50 minute wait in between your transmissions. During the 50 minutes > you might like to have a bathroom break, answer a phone call or get a > snack, but instead you are drumming your fingers on the operating desk > as you run out of patience. Perhaps, as in so many things, moderation > is preferable to extremes of overly short non-QSOs, or overly long 5 > way roundtables. > > > On 4/30/17, K5MYJ wrote: > > The people at W1AW just don't understand what is happening. > > > > The younger people now have their iTHING and the Internet. They don't > need > > either Ham Radio or CB. Around here CB is just as dead as the Ham Bands. > > > > People come to the club and get a Tech ticket. Then they get a 2M HT or > > maybe a transceiver made in Asia somewhere. They never upgrade. The cost > of > > > > a modern RICEBOX is too high for most. > > > > Then when young people buy a new house in a new sub-division they cannot > put > > > > up an antenna because of the HOAs. The ARRL has not been able to fix that > > problem. > > > > I got my Novice ticket in 1957 during the hottest solar cycle since ham > > radio was invented. 40M was wall to wall signals between 7150 and 7200 > every > > > > evening. You could make contacts every evening and it was not just HI, > > GOODBYE. It was a real QSO. > > > > Today with the exception of contest days the bands are pretty dead. I do > see > > > > a lot of people calling CQ and getting no answers. > > > > Today people call CQ and expect answers on frequency, The don't tune > around > > > > looking for an answer. > > > > What happened to building your own gear? Look at 50's, 60's or 70's ARRL > > Handbook. Then look at a recent ARRL Handbook. In the old days we did a > lot > > > > of building. Kits or scratch building. We could buy parts at the local > > Radio/TV parts store. When I moved here 17 years ago there were two > Radio/TV > > > > parts stores they are gone now. > > > > I think that 20 years from now Ham Radio will be history and there's not > a > > thing Newington can do about it! > > > > Bob Macklin > > K5MYJ > > Seattle, Wa. > > "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "FRANK HUGHES hughes" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 4:48 AM > > Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? > > > > > >> As a new guy (2009), I have noticed that other people my age are more > >> common @ hamfests, don't see lots of younger people. > >> > >> > >> Good point about the technical skills, if you can't build it w/ surface > >> mount components these days, what other components are there to work > >> with? > >> > >> > >> I have only built one homebrew amp, and it took a very long time and > lots > >> > >> of scrounging to get all the iron and related items. > >> > >> > >> Next one will be LDMOS and DC volts, easy to source and work with. > >> I like the technical aspects more than actually operating, happier w/ a > >> soldering iron in my hand than a mic....weird???? > >> > >> > >> Also, I can no longer lift some of the boatanchors around here, and am > >> selling them off. > >> Not much luck selling, so far, as young people don't want boatanchors, > and > >> > >> the other other old guys already have more than they need too. > >> It does not help that the population of people who value boatanchors is > >> rapidly shrinking. > >> 10-15 years from now there will be one 99 year old guy remaining, with > >> 2834876 boatanchors piled up all around him, calling CQ into the > >> wilderness.... > >> > >> As a new guy, I never had the experience of good band conditions, as I > >> hear people discuss the way it was decades ago. > >> Wonder if the solar cycle is working against the phone part of the > hobby, > >> > >> thus less interest. > >> > >> > >> I know at least for me, phone is easy, but at my advanced age, there is > no > >> > >> hope of ever learning CW, (with a key), and using software to generate > CW > >> > >> does not sound like my kind of fun. > >> > >> > >> 73 > >> Frank > >> KJ4OLL > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > >> AMRadio mailing list > >> Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > >> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > >> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > >> Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > >> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > >> the word unsubscribe in the message body. > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to macklinbob at gmail.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > > AMRadio mailing list > > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to steinerviolinist at gmail.com > > > > > -- > http://oliversteiner.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to amvictor at ncsu.edu > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 11:04:05 -0400 From: Tracy To: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Sad but true, I am in the towing business here at this end and deal with these 18 to 30 year old kids every night. Most of them graduated high school and still can not read or write. There is no common sense left with these kids, 2 plus 2 equals 4 some times. The younger generation out here today, can not fix or repair a simple item never mind build a house or radio from scratch, it is easier to go buy it for cheap money and then throw it away after breaking it because they could not read the instructions. The Un-educated are the primary breeders today, and they only want the kids to increase there FREE RIDE benefits. The educated semi intelligent are more worried about their careers than raising a family and wait till they are in the forties to have a child which has been proven to lower the IQ of the children, to old to start breeding. So this is the world we now live in, which is GREAT a dumb population is much easier to control. My two cents, Tracy N1RKT ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 10:06:25 -0500 From: mark To: amradio at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed The weird thing about it, is watching eBay sales of Boat Anchors. The stuff is going somewhere. Daily I watch DX100s Vailants, Apaches and even the smaller globe transmitters auctioned off at high bucks. Heck, I paid 1200 for my T 368 and I did it GLADLY. I used to own a pair back around 1997-2001 when I ran the Midwest Classic Radio net. It was a hoot. Sold the pair for what I paid for this one. All these transmitters and receivers are going somewhere. Could it be that they are being sold just for the nostalgia and not getting use? Mark KD9CXH formerly KA9FBX > I miss the Old Buzzard AM roundtables. > > The NW AM group has faded into history! There's no AM here anymore. > Not much SSB either. > > And the current solar cycle is not helping much! > > Bob Macklin > K5MYJ > Seattle, Wa. > "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oliver Steiner" > > To: "K5MYJ" > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 7:47 AM > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? > > >> When K5MYJ said: "You could make contacts every evening and it was not >> just HI, GOODBYE. It was a real QSO." I found myself so strongly >> agreeing with that. I was astonished when, in recent years a DX >> station would give my call sign and the fake "5/9" signal report to me >> and everybody else. To find out his call I would have to wait to >> listen to 5 or 6 "QSOs" after mine! To find out his location and name >> I would have to use the internet QRZ web site! To my mind, that does >> not constitute a radio contact! Sometimes we AMers go too much to the >> opposite extreme: One makes a contact; then one station after another >> joins in, until one finds oneself in a five way roundtable with each >> of the stations making an old buzzard transmission. This results in a >> 50 minute wait in between your transmissions. During the 50 minutes >> you might like to have a bathroom break, answer a phone call or get a >> snack, but instead you are drumming your fingers on the operating desk >> as you run out of patience. Perhaps, as in so many things, moderation >> is preferable to extremes of overly short non-QSOs, or overly long 5 >> way roundtables. >> >> >> On 4/30/17, K5MYJ wrote: >>> The people at W1AW just don't understand what is happening. >>> >>> The younger people now have their iTHING and the Internet. They >>> don't need >>> either Ham Radio or CB. Around here CB is just as dead as the Ham >>> Bands. >>> >>> People come to the club and get a Tech ticket. Then they get a 2M HT or >>> maybe a transceiver made in Asia somewhere. They never upgrade. The >>> cost of >>> >>> a modern RICEBOX is too high for most. >>> >>> Then when young people buy a new house in a new sub-division they >>> cannot put >>> >>> up an antenna because of the HOAs. The ARRL has not been able to fix >>> that >>> problem. >>> >>> I got my Novice ticket in 1957 during the hottest solar cycle since ham >>> radio was invented. 40M was wall to wall signals between 7150 and >>> 7200 every >>> >>> evening. You could make contacts every evening and it was not just HI, >>> GOODBYE. It was a real QSO. >>> >>> Today with the exception of contest days the bands are pretty dead. >>> I do see >>> >>> a lot of people calling CQ and getting no answers. >>> >>> Today people call CQ and expect answers on frequency, The don't tune >>> around >>> >>> looking for an answer. >>> >>> What happened to building your own gear? Look at 50's, 60's or 70's >>> ARRL >>> Handbook. Then look at a recent ARRL Handbook. In the old days we >>> did a lot >>> >>> of building. Kits or scratch building. We could buy parts at the local >>> Radio/TV parts store. When I moved here 17 years ago there were two >>> Radio/TV >>> >>> parts stores they are gone now. >>> >>> I think that 20 years from now Ham Radio will be history and there's >>> not a >>> thing Newington can do about it! >>> >>> Bob Macklin >>> K5MYJ >>> Seattle, Wa. >>> "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "FRANK HUGHES hughes" >>> To: >>> Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 4:48 AM >>> Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? >>> >>> >>>> As a new guy (2009), I have noticed that other people my age are more >>>> common @ hamfests, don't see lots of younger people. >>>> >>>> >>>> Good point about the technical skills, if you can't build it w/ >>>> surface >>>> mount components these days, what other components are there to work >>>> with? >>>> >>>> >>>> I have only built one homebrew amp, and it took a very long time >>>> and lots >>>> >>>> of scrounging to get all the iron and related items. >>>> >>>> >>>> Next one will be LDMOS and DC volts, easy to source and work with. >>>> I like the technical aspects more than actually operating, happier >>>> w/ a >>>> soldering iron in my hand than a mic....weird???? >>>> >>>> >>>> Also, I can no longer lift some of the boatanchors around here, and am >>>> selling them off. >>>> Not much luck selling, so far, as young people don't want >>>> boatanchors, and >>>> >>>> the other other old guys already have more than they need too. >>>> It does not help that the population of people who value >>>> boatanchors is >>>> rapidly shrinking. >>>> 10-15 years from now there will be one 99 year old guy remaining, with >>>> 2834876 boatanchors piled up all around him, calling CQ into the >>>> wilderness.... >>>> >>>> As a new guy, I never had the experience of good band conditions, as I >>>> hear people discuss the way it was decades ago. >>>> Wonder if the solar cycle is working against the phone part of the >>>> hobby, >>>> >>>> thus less interest. >>>> >>>> >>>> I know at least for me, phone is easy, but at my advanced age, >>>> there is no >>>> >>>> hope of ever learning CW, (with a key), and using software to >>>> generate CW >>>> >>>> does not sound like my kind of fun. >>>> >>>> >>>> 73 >>>> Frank >>>> KJ4OLL >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >>>> AMRadio mailing list >>>> Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ >>>> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >>>> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >>>> Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net >>>> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with >>>> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to macklinbob at gmail.com >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >>> AMRadio mailing list >>> Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ >>> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >>> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >>> Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net >>> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with >>> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to steinerviolinist at gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> http://oliversteiner.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lexnonscripta at usa.com > ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer ______________________________________________________________ AMRadio mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio at mailman.qth.net ------------------------------ End of AMRadio Digest, Vol 159, Issue 7 *************************************** From frsahu0003 at embarqmail.com Sun Apr 30 16:00:38 2017 From: frsahu0003 at embarqmail.com (FRANK HUGHES hughes) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 16:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [AMRadio] Ham radio decline Dumb and Dumber In-Reply-To: <1335859463.91560530.1493582402797.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <573343445.91560672.1493582438195.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com> It's not just the hourly workers of the "everything is all about me" generation we have to contend with. I wonder where our engineers of the future are coming from, not the USA, probably. How can a college kid become a competent engineer if they don't know how anything works, don't know how to do any work with their hands? Son KJ4WLW is a Senior, will soon obtain a Computer Engineering degree. Some course work involved making circuits, breadboards, soldering. He was amazed that the other kids did not know what that electric hot pencil looking thing was. Solder was a mystery. I had the kid building electronics kits from 10 years old, he enjoyed teaching the other students, but they are all going on to engineering jobs, WTH??? 73 Frank KJ4OLL From kb2wig at twcny.rr.com Sun Apr 30 16:04:06 2017 From: kb2wig at twcny.rr.com (kb2wig at twcny.rr.com) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 20:04:06 +0000 Subject: [AMRadio] (no subject) Message-ID: <20170430200406.1JD48.95225.root@cdptpa-web14> U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) collects, analyzes, and disseminates independent and impartial energy information to promote sound policymaking, efficient markets, and public understanding of energy and its interaction with the economy and the environment. >From the EIA, sources of Electrical production, Percentages. https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/index.cfm?page=electricity_in_the_united_states Renewable %13 Petroleum 1 Nuclear %20 Ntural Gas %33 Coal %33 klc From ne1s at securespeed.us Sun Apr 30 16:42:12 2017 From: ne1s at securespeed.us (Larry Szendrei) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 16:42:12 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Ham radio decline Dumb and Dumber In-Reply-To: References: <573343445.91560672.1493582438195.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: On 4/30/17 4:00 PM, FRANK HUGHES hughes wrote: > It's not just the hourly workers of the "everything is all about me" > generation we have to contend with. > I wonder where our engineers of the future are coming from, not the > USA, probably. > How can a college kid become a competent engineer if they don't know > how anything works, don't know how to do any work with their hands? > Son KJ4WLW is a Senior, will soon obtain a Computer Engineering degree. > Some course work involved making circuits, breadboards, soldering. > He was amazed that the other kids did not know what that electric hot > pencil looking thing was. Solder was a mystery. > In my engineering career in the microelectronics industry I ran into many peers, from my sons' ages up to my own generation, who were in engineering only because of the pay and job availability (not bad reasons, to be honest), and perhaps because they had been told they had abilities in math and science. These folks did not have any technically-oriented hobbies, and I wondered why that was so. I ran into a guy with a PhD who didn't know how to apply Ohm's law, although he was no dummy in other ways. A lot of very highly-educated people were pretty short on common sense, and couldn't solve a technical problem if their life depended on it. Hobbies like amateur radio, at least the amateur radio we knew, provide indispensable training in all sorts of seemingly unrelated areas. 73, -Larry/NE1S From bluegrassdakine at hotmail.com Sun Apr 30 16:47:01 2017 From: bluegrassdakine at hotmail.com (Raymond Cote) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 20:47:01 +0000 Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good going Bob! Very heart warming Ray Sent using Jedi Mind Trick!! By Raymond C?t? KD9CCZ On Apr 30, 2017, at 14:37, Robert Bethman > wrote: Those of us that still do operate will continue. I have to take a pause before I can get my antennas back up where they need to be. I absolutely have no room for 160meters. Even 75meters is going to be a stretch. I do have 40meters with a Double Bazooka. I no longer have heavy tube gear. My Arthritis has caused all of it to be disposed of. I am now stuck with a factory refurbished Kenwood TS-2000. I also have managed to obtain an ALS-1306 Solid State Amplifier. I can put 10W AM into it and get full legal output. I can go SSB or CW at full output into the amplifier. The antennas have to wait until the outside part of my deck is stripped of the wood put down in 1993. The new lumber is being delivered on May 3rd. Then I have to install all of it. So it will be the bottom half of May before I can do anything else. I also have stupid restrictions by the city! No tower unless I can guarantee it would fall ONLY on MY Property! Since this parcel barely will fit the 70 foot Double Bazooka, that leaves me with far less height to run any antenna system. Yet there are NO HOAs or Covenants. Just some dumb Bureaucracy!. I have had run ins with Zoning in the past. I submitted my plans for this Deck in 1993. Only to have Zoning call me directly, informing me that I was living in an illegal domicile! I started to laugh at the fool! She then stated, "You are not taking this seriously." I told her flat out that any lawyer would GLADLY take this on! Plain and simple, *IF* this is an illegal domicile, then this City has been Fraudulently collecting taxes since the City became such in 1973! I flat let it be known that I WOULD pursue such a Law Suit for not only the taxes, but all the interest that would have accumulated on such funds! This whole idiocy was based on a Survey that showed one corner of this house was 1/10th of a foot too close to the property line! What a farce! This individual then stated that I would have to put up a $200 bond and request a waiver. I flat told her that it was NOT going to happen! She finally told me to send a letter stating that I had NOT picked up the house and moved it. So she got her dang letter! My Deck Permit was approved. Bureaucratic idiocy just astounds me! Really, I just decided to arbitrarily reach down and move the house? Whom is out of their mind? This is what some of us have to deal with! Now back to regularly programming! Bob N0DGN -----Original Message----- From: AMRadio [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Donald Chester Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 2:25 PM To: amradio at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? I think you may be right; at least ham radio AS WE KNOW IT will likely be history. Newington can do nothing about it because this is due to market forces beyond our reach. This is not unique to ham radio; it's a phenomenon impregnated throughout the fabric of to-day's society and economy. Take another issue that's making big headlines in the news these days; the decline of the coal industry. There's no "war on coal" per se; coal is being over-run by other markets and other energy sources. Natural gas. Solar. Wind. Maybe someday in future, nuclear fusion. Analogous to ham radio's present over-run by cellular technology, internet and social media. The coal industry won't be reinvigorated by killing off environmental regulations, just as ham radio won't be reinvigorated by dumbing down the entry level. The politicians who promise to bring back the coal mining jobs are the same voices shouting in the wilderness as those shouting they will bring back renewed interest in ham radio. The market forces that have brought these declines are too powerful to reverse with simple-minded environmental deregulation or simple-minded "novice enhancement". Only some unforeseen direction in technology will bring back either the coal industry or ham radio. There will always be a market for coal, particularly in the production of steel and manufacture of plastics, but its use as a primary source of energy will continue to decline to a trickle and there's nothing any politician can do about it. Likewise, there will always be some form of ham radio (if governments of the world don't decide to get rid of us merely because it's too much trouble to administer licences and enforce regulations), but it will be minuscule compared to what most of us grew up with. We may even keep the HF bands, but they will be populated with ever-declining activity; we will hold onto them only because no-one else has a use for them. After all, people still raise horses and enjoy riding them. There are many more present-day analogies to the amateur radio situation; I just picked coal because it's currently such a hot topic in the news. The best we can do is not to give in, but to continue to operate as we have in the past until there's no-one left to talk to. We can continue to build and modify transmitters and erect antennas until we are too old and decrepit to lift transformers, drill sheet metal and climb towers. So, let's enjoy it while we still can. Continue to rescue as much vintage stuff from the landfill as possible, until every last person who values it is dead. But don't count on any contrived PR campaign to magically generate hordes of youngsters enthralled by amateur radio, or count on any politician to "bring back coal". Don k4kyv PS: The following seems particularly pertinent to this discussion: **On the Vanity of Earthly Greatness** The tusks that clashed in mighty brawls Of mastodons, are billiard balls. The sword of Charlemagne the Just Is ferric oxide, known as rust. The grizzly bear whose potent hug Was feared by all, is now a rug. Great Caesar's bust is on my shelf, And I don't feel so well myself. - Arthur Guiterman (1871-1943) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to oldrotorheadsarge at outlook.com ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to bluegrassdakine at hotmail.com From w5jo at brightok.net Sun Apr 30 17:47:24 2017 From: w5jo at brightok.net (w5jo at brightok.net) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 16:47:24 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Posting problems Message-ID: Hey guys, Some people are having trouble posting. The reasons are unclear and different from one person to another at the moment. Day before yesterday everything was normal for me. Then yesterday I tried to post a message and the system returned the message that my ISP's IP address had been blacklisted by the Spambot. I couldn't even send a message to QTH to notify them and see what the problem was. Finally I found a way to temporarily whitelist the address for 7 day and I may be temporary unless Brian is able to get the problem solved before I run out of time. Fortunately, everyone is very kind and respectful here so there is very little if ever a need for me to be involved in an exchange. Thank all of you for that. But some people who use the digest mode are having trouble so I thought I would pass along something that has worked for me. When you replay to a message you receive in the digest, hit the Reply or Reply All button. Remember if you want to post to the list to use the Reply All button, if you want to engage the individual use the Reply button. When I use the Reply All button I remove individual names so they don't receive more than one copy of the message, leaving only the AM Radio name in either the To or CC field. Then delete all messages and extraneous material other than the message you want to reply to in the body of the message. This eliminates some possibilities of being blocked. Depending on the list, I even remove the Fw in front of the message subject so it appears to be an original message. I hope that will help some of you. 73, Jim W5JO Moderator From W4AWM at aol.com Sun Apr 30 20:01:08 2017 From: W4AWM at aol.com (W4AWM at aol.com) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 20:01:08 -0400 Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Redio in Decline Message-ID: <126273.28e8559.4637d4c4@aol.com> So sad, so true! 73 John, W4AWM Since 1953 From nbcblue at hotmail.com Sun Apr 30 20:32:19 2017 From: nbcblue at hotmail.com (W. Harris) Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 00:32:19 +0000 Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? In-Reply-To: References: <1206047897.91248534.1493552890063.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com>, Message-ID: The people at the ARRL are trying to save their rear-ends. They know that if they don't somehow attract more to become licensed that the ham population will just fade away along to subscriptions to QST, so the only recourse is to just hand out a license to anyone who wants on. Bill - K5MIL ________________________________ From: AMRadio on behalf of K5MYJ Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 1:38 PM To: amradio at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? The people at W1AW just don't understand what is happening. From w4rl at bellsouth.net Sun Apr 30 20:37:48 2017 From: w4rl at bellsouth.net (Robert) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 19:37:48 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? In-Reply-To: References: <1206047897.91248534.1493552890063.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <5906835C.8010705@bellsouth.net> I wonder when the day QST comes in the mailbox and the front cover depicts the "Last Living AM'er is a SK". Wonder when that QST Issue will arrive? 73 Robert W4RL On 4/30/2017 7:32 PM, W. Harris wrote: > The people at the ARRL are trying to save their rear-ends. They know that if they don't somehow attract more to become licensed that the ham population will just fade away along to subscriptions to QST, so the only recourse is to just hand out a license to anyone who wants on. > > > Bill - K5MIL > > ________________________________ > From: AMRadio on behalf of K5MYJ > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 1:38 PM > To: amradio at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? > > The people at W1AW just don't understand what is happening. > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w4rl at bellsouth.net > From k6xyz at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 30 21:19:03 2017 From: k6xyz at sbcglobal.net (David Harmon) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 20:19:03 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? In-Reply-To: <5906835C.8010705@bellsouth.net> References: <1206047897.91248534.1493552890063.JavaMail.root@embarqmail.com> <5906835C.8010705@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <000001d2c218$ece15640$c6a402c0$@sbcglobal.net> Hopefully....the day after I sell both my J500's!! 73 David Harmon K6XYZ Sperry, OK -----Original Message----- From: AMRadio [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 7:38 PM To: amradio at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? I wonder when the day QST comes in the mailbox and the front cover depicts the "Last Living AM'er is a SK". Wonder when that QST Issue will arrive? 73 Robert W4RL On 4/30/2017 7:32 PM, W. Harris wrote: > The people at the ARRL are trying to save their rear-ends. They know that if they don't somehow attract more to become licensed that the ham population will just fade away along to subscriptions to QST, so the only recourse is to just hand out a license to anyone who wants on. > > > Bill - K5MIL > > ________________________________ > From: AMRadio on behalf of K5MYJ > > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 1:38 PM > To: amradio at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? > > The people at W1AW just don't understand what is happening. > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > w4rl at bellsouth.net > ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6xyz at sbcglobal.net From lexnonscripta at usa.com Sun Apr 30 22:13:56 2017 From: lexnonscripta at usa.com (mark) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 21:13:56 -0500 Subject: [AMRadio] Yeeee Hawwww In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9408b6f3-d2dd-3836-b2ce-04291bb6bd9e@usa.com> Its kinda funny that we are all bemoaning lack of interest in the hobby, commenting somewhat wryly about the use of internet technology, and here we are, posting to a reflector. Mark KD9CXH formerly KA9FBX > Out of the rabble of a thousand party goer's may emerge a hundred good hams. So I'm not opposed, I just hope the rabble does not cause harm to what allocation we now have. > > > Doug W5JV > > P.S. Have some AM radio station audio gear for sale. Need anything? > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lexnonscripta at usa.com > From west_robert_l at yahoo.com Sun Apr 30 22:18:08 2017 From: west_robert_l at yahoo.com (Robert West) Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 02:18:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 159, Issue 9 References: <1896742573.925365.1493605088522.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1896742573.925365.1493605088522@mail.yahoo.com> Amen! K4KYV! Tight lines, ? 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Ham Radio (Robert Bethman) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 13:25:17 -0500 From: "Donald Chester" To: Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? Message-ID: <003901d2c1df$1e07ef70$5a17ce50$@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="us-ascii" > What happened to building your own gear? Look at 50's, 60's or 70's ARRL > Handbook. Then look at a recent ARRL Handbook. In the old days we did a lot > of building. Kits or scratch building. We could buy parts? at the local Radio/TV > parts store. When I moved here 17 years ago there were two Radio/TV parts > stores they are gone now. > > I think that 20 years from now Ham Radio will be history and there's not a > thing Newington can do about it! > > Bob Macklin? K5MYJ? Seattle, Wa. I think you may be right; at least ham radio AS WE KNOW IT will likely be history.? Newington can? do nothing about it because this is due to market forces beyond our reach. This is not unique to ham radio; it's a phenomenon impregnated throughout the fabric of to-day's society and economy.? Take another issue that's making big headlines in the news these? days; the decline of the coal industry.? There's no "war on coal" per se; coal is being over-run by other markets and other energy sources.? Natural gas.? Solar. Wind.? Maybe someday in future, nuclear fusion.? Analogous to ham radio's present over-run by cellular technology, internet and? social media. The coal industry won't be reinvigorated by killing off environmental regulations, just as ham radio won't be reinvigorated by dumbing down the entry level.? The politicians who promise to bring back the coal mining jobs are the same voices shouting in the wilderness as those shouting they will bring back renewed interest in ham radio.? The market forces that have brought these declines are too powerful to reverse with simple-minded environmental deregulation or simple-minded "novice enhancement".? Only some unforeseen direction in technology will bring back either the coal industry or ham radio. There will always be a market for coal, particularly in the production of steel and manufacture of plastics, but its use as a primary source of energy will continue to decline to a trickle and there's nothing any politician can do about it.? Likewise,? there will always be some form of ham radio (if governments of the world don't decide to get rid of us merely because it's too much trouble to administer licences and enforce regulations), but it will be minuscule compared to what most of us grew up with.? We may even keep the HF bands, but they will be populated with ever-declining activity; we will hold onto them only because no-one else has a use for them.? After all, people still raise horses and enjoy riding them. There are many more present-day analogies to the amateur radio situation; I just picked coal because it's currently such a hot topic in the news. The best we can? do is not to give in, but to continue to operate as we have in the past until there's no-one left to talk to.? We can continue to build and modify transmitters and erect antennas until we are too old and decrepit to lift transformers, drill sheet metal and climb towers. So, let's enjoy it while we still can.? Continue to rescue as much vintage stuff from the landfill? as possible, until every last person who values it is dead.? But don't count on any contrived PR campaign to magically generate hordes of youngsters enthralled by amateur radio, or count on any politician to "bring back coal". Don k4kyv PS: The following seems particularly pertinent to this discussion: **On the Vanity of Earthly Greatness** The tusks that clashed in mighty brawls Of mastodons, are billiard balls. The sword of Charlemagne the Just Is ferric oxide, known as rust. The grizzly bear whose potent hug Was feared by all, is now a rug. Great Caesar's bust is on my shelf, And I don't feel so well myself. - Arthur Guiterman (1871-1943) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 18:25:52 +0000 (UTC) From: Jim Candela To: WA5VGO , K5MYJ Cc: "amradio at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? Message-ID: <1217519156.947928.1493576752243 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Darrell, ? The issue is bigger than that. Remember someyears ago we had the "occupy wallstreet" crowd? One desire of those young Americans was to have a living wage in return for doing nothing.? I am in the Semiconductor capital equipment business. Most of the employees I work with have gray hair, and are mid 50's and up. Off the street lower level employees are given at least $15 an hour with no experience! About 1/3 of them quit on the first day, and about 1/2 of them leave before the first break. Why? Well the work is not hard, but it is steady. Two issues prevail, 1.) they cannot look at their phone during company time, 2.) they need to be standing, and wearing a clean room bunny suit. ?? So why would someone that only wants someone else to enable them (pay their way), where their main desire is to stare at their phone 19 hours a day while sitting on their butts want to get into ham radio? In the sate of NJ, 46% of Millenials live with their parents! JimWd5JKO ? ? On Sunday, April 30, 2017 9:21 AM, WA5VGO wrote: You are exactly right. I'm constantly amazed that so many allegedly educated people can be in such denial. When's the last time you saw a kid collect model trains, fly a kite, or form a bicycle club? It's a dying hobby and no amount of dumbing things down will change that.? Darrell > On Apr 30, 2017, at 8:38 AM, K5MYJ wrote: > > The people at W1AW just don't understand what is happening. > > The younger people now have their iTHING and the Internet. They don't need either Ham Radio or CB. Around here CB is just as dead as the Ham Bands. > > People come to the club and get a Tech ticket. Then they get a 2M HT or maybe a transceiver made in Asia somewhere. They never upgrade. The cost of a modern RICEBOX is too high for most. > > Then when young people buy a new house in a new sub-division they cannot put up an antenna because of the HOAs. The ARRL has not been able to fix that problem. > > I got my Novice ticket in 1957 during the hottest solar cycle since ham radio was invented. 40M was wall to wall signals between 7150 and 7200 every evening. You could make contacts every evening and it was not just HI, GOODBYE. It was a real QSO. > > Today with the exception of contest days the bands are pretty dead. I do see a lot of people calling CQ and getting no answers. > > Today people call CQ and expect answers on frequency, The don't tune around looking for an answer. > > What happened to building your own gear? Look at 50's, 60's or 70's ARRL Handbook. Then look at a recent ARRL Handbook. In the old days we did a lot of building. Kits or scratch building. We could buy parts? at the local Radio/TV parts store. When I moved here 17 years ago there were two Radio/TV parts stores they are gone now. > > I think that 20 years from now Ham Radio will be history and there's not a thing Newington can do about it! > > Bob Macklin > K5MYJ > Seattle, Wa. > "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jcandela at prodigy.net ? ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 13:39:45 -0500 From: donroden at hiwaay.net To: amradio at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? Message-ID: ??? <20170430133945.Horde.6hkKiqrPVBl5lIs3otuLRbA at webmail.hiwaay.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; DelSp=Yes > macklinbob at gmail.com writes: > I got my? Novice ticket in 1957 during the hottest solar cycle since ham > radio was? invented. 40M was wall to wall signals between 7150 and 7200 > every evening. You could make contacts every evening and it was not just HI, > GOODBYE. It was a real QSO. My mentor ( SK ) had QSLs from all over the world.. Exotic places that? I could only dream about as a farm kid.? Radio was all about? "possibilities". His QSLs were all on 50.400Mhz using a Lafayette AM rig with a 2E26 final ( maybe 10 watts carrier ? ) and a receiver sensitivity of? one microvolt if lucky. That must have been exciting. Maybe next cycle ??? Fingers crossed. Don W4DNR DonR ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 13:48:16 -0500 From: donroden at hiwaay.net To: amradio at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in decline? Message-ID: ??? <20170430134816.Horde.IC3-Ea5AoPaXuzidnHv-vzq at webmail.hiwaay.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; DelSp=Yes Quoting Donald Chester : > Take another issue that's > making big headlines in the news these? days; the decline of the coal > industry.? There's no "war on coal" per se; coal is being over-run by other > markets and other energy sources. We still see several long ( 50-75 car ) coal trains pass through? Huntsville every day.? Where they come from and where they are going? ?? TVA ceased coal fired electric plants several years ago ( or so I was told ). Maybe they have started back up. Don W4DNR DonR ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 13:56:53 -0500 From: "Dave W5QWX" To: Subject: [AMRadio] Content not allowed Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="UTF-8" I tried to make a post to AMradio in response to AMdigest mailings and it was returned with ?The message's content type was not explicitly allowed? What does this mean? Am I not allowed to post comments? If so what was in the post not allowed? I would like to know what to not include in may post so that what can be posted is posted. Thank you, David Langley de W5QWX ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 19:16:13 +0000 From: Robert Bethman To: "amradio at mailman.qth.net" Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio Message-ID: ??? ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Those of us that still do operate will continue.? I have to take a pause before I can get my antennas back up where they need to be. I absolutely have no room for 160meters.? Even 75meters is going to be a stretch.? I do have 40meters with a Double Bazooka. I no longer have heavy tube gear.? My Arthritis has caused all of it to be disposed of.? I am now stuck with a factory refurbished Kenwood TS-2000.? I also have managed to obtain an ALS-1306 Solid State Amplifier. I can put 10W AM into it and get full legal output.? I can go SSB or CW at full output into the amplifier. The antennas have to wait until the outside part of my deck is stripped of the wood put down in 1993.? The new lumber is being delivered on May 3rd.? Then I have to install all of it. So it will be the bottom half of May before I can do anything else. I also have stupid restrictions by the city!? No tower unless I can guarantee it would fall ONLY on MY Property!? Since this parcel barely will fit the 70 foot Double Bazooka, that leaves me with far less height to run any antenna system.? Yet there are NO HOAs or Covenants.? Just some dumb Bureaucracy!.? I have had run ins with Zoning in the past.? I submitted my plans for this Deck in 1993.? Only to have Zoning call me directly, informing me that I was living in an illegal domicile! I started to laugh at the fool!? She then stated, "You are not taking this seriously."? I told her flat out that any lawyer would GLADLY take this on!? Plain and simple, *IF* this is an illegal domicile, then this City has been Fraudulently collecting taxes since the City became such in 1973!? I flat let it be known that I WOULD pursue such a Law Suit for not only the taxes, but all the interest that would have accumulated on such funds! This whole idiocy was based on a Survey that showed one corner of this house was 1/10th of a foot too close to the property line!? What a farce! This individual then stated that I would have to put up a $200 bond and request a waiver.? I flat told her that it was NOT going to happen! She finally told me to send a letter stating that I had NOT picked up the house and moved it.? So she got her dang letter!? My Deck Permit was approved. Bureaucratic idiocy just astounds me!? Really, I just decided to arbitrarily reach down and move the house?? Whom is out of their mind? This is what some of us have to deal with! Now back to regularly programming! Bob N0DGN -----Original Message----- From: AMRadio [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Donald Chester Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 2:25 PM I think you may be right; at least ham radio AS WE KNOW IT will likely be history.? Newington can? do nothing about it because this is due to market forces beyond our reach. This is not unique to ham radio; it's a phenomenon impregnated throughout the fabric of to-day's society and economy.? Take another issue that's making big headlines in the news these? days; the decline of the coal industry.? There's no "war on coal" per se; coal is being over-run by other markets and other energy sources.? Natural gas.? Solar. Wind.? Maybe someday in future, nuclear fusion.? Analogous to ham radio's present over-run by cellular technology, internet and? social media. The coal industry won't be reinvigorated by killing off environmental regulations, just as ham radio won't be reinvigorated by dumbing down the entry level.? The politicians who promise to bring back the coal mining jobs are the same voices shouting in the wilderness as those shouting they will bring back renewed interest in ham radio.? The market forces that have brought these declines are too powerful to reverse with simple-minded environmental deregulation or simple-minded "novice enhancement".? Only some unforeseen direction in technology will bring back either the coal industry or ham radio. There will always be a market for coal, particularly in the production of steel and manufacture of plastics, but its use as a primary source of energy will continue to decline to a trickle and there's nothing any politician can do about it.? Likewise,? there will always be some form of ham radio (if governments of the world don't decide to get rid of us merely because it's too much trouble to administer licences and enforce regulations), but it will be minuscule compared to what most of us grew up with.? We may even keep the HF bands, but they will be populated with ever-declining activity; we will hold onto them only because no-one else has a use for them.? After all, people still raise horses and enjoy riding them. There are many more present-day analogies to the amateur radio situation; I just picked coal because it's currently such a hot topic in the news. The best we can? do is not to give in, but to continue to operate as we have in the past until there's no-one left to talk to.? We can continue to build and modify transmitters and erect antennas until we are too old and decrepit to lift transformers, drill sheet metal and climb towers. So, let's enjoy it while we still can.? Continue to rescue as much vintage stuff from the landfill? as possible, until every last person who values it is dead.? But don't count on any contrived PR campaign to magically generate hordes of youngsters enthralled by amateur radio, or count on any politician to "bring back coal". Don k4kyv PS: The following seems particularly pertinent to this discussion: **On the Vanity of Earthly Greatness** The tusks that clashed in mighty brawls Of mastodons, are billiard balls. The sword of Charlemagne the Just Is ferric oxide, known as rust. The grizzly bear whose potent hug Was feared by all, is now a rug. Great Caesar's bust is on my shelf, And I don't feel so well myself. - Arthur Guiterman (1871-1943) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/amradio/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio at mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-request at mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. 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