[AMRadio] AMRadio Digest, Vol 159, Issue 9


Robert West west_robert_l at yahoo.com
Sun Apr 30 22:18:08 EDT 2017


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    1. Re: Ham Radio in decline?
 (Donald Chester)
    2. Re: Ham Radio in decline?
 (Jim Candela)
    3. Re: Ham Radio in decline?
 (donroden at hiwaay.net)
    4. Re: Ham Radio in decline?
 (donroden at hiwaay.net)
    5. Content not allowed (Dave
 W5QWX)
    6. Ham Radio (Robert Bethman)
 
 
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 Message: 1
 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 13:25:17 -0500
 From: "Donald Chester" <k4kyv at charter.net>
 To: <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
 Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in
 decline?
 Message-ID:
 <003901d2c1df$1e07ef70$5a17ce50$@charter.net>
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 > What happened to building your own
 gear? Look at 50's, 60's or 70's ARRL
 > Handbook. Then look at a recent
 ARRL Handbook. In the old days we did a
 lot
 > of building. Kits or scratch
 building. We could buy parts  at the local
 Radio/TV
 > parts store. When I moved here 17
 years ago there were two Radio/TV parts
 > stores they are gone now.
 > 
 > I think that 20 years from now Ham
 Radio will be history and there's not a
 > thing Newington can do about it!
 > 
 > Bob Macklin  K5MYJ 
 Seattle, Wa.
 
 I think you may be right; at least ham
 radio AS WE KNOW IT will likely be
 history.  Newington can  do
 nothing about it because this is due to market
 forces beyond our reach.
 
 This is not unique to ham radio; it's a
 phenomenon impregnated throughout
 the fabric of to-day's society and
 economy.  Take another issue that's
 making big headlines in the news
 these  days; the decline of the coal
 industry.  There's no "war on
 coal" per se; coal is being over-run by other
 markets and other energy sources. 
 Natural gas.  Solar. Wind.  Maybe someday
 in future, nuclear fusion. 
 Analogous to ham radio's present over-run by
 cellular technology, internet and 
 social media.
 
 The coal industry won't be
 reinvigorated by killing off environmental
 regulations, just as ham radio won't be
 reinvigorated by dumbing down the
 entry level.  The politicians who
 promise to bring back the coal mining jobs
 are the same voices shouting in the
 wilderness as those shouting they will
 bring back renewed interest in ham
 radio.  The market forces that have
 brought these declines are too powerful
 to reverse with simple-minded
 environmental deregulation or
 simple-minded "novice enhancement".  Only some
 unforeseen direction in technology will
 bring back either the coal industry
 or ham radio.
 
 There will always be a market for coal,
 particularly in the production of
 steel and manufacture of plastics, but
 its use as a primary source of energy
 will continue to decline to a trickle
 and there's nothing any politician can
 do about it.  Likewise, 
 there will always be some form of ham radio (if
 governments of the world don't decide
 to get rid of us merely because it's
 too much trouble to administer licences
 and enforce regulations), but it
 will be minuscule compared to what most
 of us grew up with.  We may even
 keep the HF bands, but they will be
 populated with ever-declining activity;
 we will hold onto them only because
 no-one else has a use for them.  After
 all, people still raise horses and
 enjoy riding them.
 
 There are many more present-day
 analogies to the amateur radio situation; I
 just picked coal because it's currently
 such a hot topic in the news.
 
 The best we can  do is not to give
 in, but to continue to operate as we have
 in the past until there's no-one left
 to talk to.  We can continue to build
 and modify transmitters and erect
 antennas until we are too old and decrepit
 to lift transformers, drill sheet metal
 and climb towers.
 
 So, let's enjoy it while we still
 can.  Continue to rescue as much vintage
 stuff from the landfill  as
 possible, until every last person who values it
 is dead.  But don't count on any
 contrived PR campaign to magically
 generate hordes of youngsters
 enthralled by amateur radio, or count on any
 politician to "bring back coal". 
 
 
 Don k4kyv
 
 
 PS: The following seems particularly
 pertinent to this discussion:
 
 
 **On the Vanity of Earthly Greatness**
 
 The tusks that clashed in mighty
 brawls
 Of mastodons, are billiard balls.
 
 The sword of Charlemagne the Just
 Is ferric oxide, known as rust.
 
 The grizzly bear whose potent hug
 Was feared by all, is now a rug.
 
 Great Caesar's bust is on my shelf,
 And I don't feel so well myself.
 
 - Arthur Guiterman (1871-1943)
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 Message: 2
 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 18:25:52 +0000
 (UTC)
 From: Jim Candela <jcandela at prodigy.net>
 To: WA5VGO <hbrnut at suddenlink.net>,
 K5MYJ <macklinbob at gmail.com>
 Cc: "amradio at mailman.qth.net"
 <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
 Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in
 decline?
 Message-ID: <1217519156.947928.1493576752243 at mail.yahoo.com>
 Content-Type: text/plain;
 charset=UTF-8
 
 Darrell,
 ? The issue is bigger than that.
 Remember someyears ago we had the "occupy wallstreet" crowd?
 One desire of those young Americans was to have a living
 wage in return for doing nothing.? I am in the Semiconductor
 capital equipment business. Most of the employees I work
 with have gray hair, and are mid 50's and up. Off the street
 lower level employees are given at least $15 an hour with no
 experience! About 1/3 of them quit on the first day, and
 about 1/2 of them leave before the first break. Why? Well
 the work is not hard, but it is steady. Two issues prevail,
 1.) they cannot look at their phone during company time, 2.)
 they need to be standing, and wearing a clean room bunny
 suit.
 ?? So why would someone that only wants
 someone else to enable them (pay their way), where their
 main desire is to stare at their phone 19 hours a day while
 sitting on their butts want to get into ham radio? In the
 sate of NJ, 46% of Millenials live with their parents!
 
 JimWd5JKO
  
 
     On Sunday, April 30, 2017
 9:21 AM, WA5VGO <hbrnut at suddenlink.net>
 wrote:
  
 
  You are exactly right. I'm constantly
 amazed that so many allegedly educated people can be in such
 denial. When's the last time you saw a kid collect model
 trains, fly a kite, or form a bicycle club? It's a dying
 hobby and no amount of dumbing things down will change
 that.? 
 
 Darrell
 
 > On Apr 30, 2017, at 8:38 AM, K5MYJ
 <macklinbob at gmail.com>
 wrote:
 > 
 > The people at W1AW just don't
 understand what is happening.
 > 
 > The younger people now have their
 iTHING and the Internet. They don't need either Ham Radio or
 CB. Around here CB is just as dead as the Ham Bands.
 > 
 > People come to the club and get a
 Tech ticket. Then they get a 2M HT or maybe a transceiver
 made in Asia somewhere. They never upgrade. The cost of a
 modern RICEBOX is too high for most.
 > 
 > Then when young people buy a new
 house in a new sub-division they cannot put up an antenna
 because of the HOAs. The ARRL has not been able to fix that
 problem.
 > 
 > I got my Novice ticket in 1957
 during the hottest solar cycle since ham radio was invented.
 40M was wall to wall signals between 7150 and 7200 every
 evening. You could make contacts every evening and it was
 not just HI, GOODBYE. It was a real QSO.
 > 
 > Today with the exception of
 contest days the bands are pretty dead. I do see a lot of
 people calling CQ and getting no answers.
 > 
 > Today people call CQ and expect
 answers on frequency, The don't tune around looking for an
 answer.
 > 
 > What happened to building your own
 gear? Look at 50's, 60's or 70's ARRL Handbook. Then look at
 a recent ARRL Handbook. In the old days we did a lot of
 building. Kits or scratch building. We could buy parts? at
 the local Radio/TV parts store. When I moved here 17 years
 ago there were two Radio/TV parts stores they are gone now.
 > 
 > I think that 20 years from now Ham
 Radio will be history and there's not a thing Newington can
 do about it!
 > 
 > Bob Macklin
 > K5MYJ
 > Seattle, Wa.
 > "Real Radios Glow In The Dark"
 
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 Message: 3
 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 13:39:45 -0500
 From: donroden at hiwaay.net
 To: amradio at mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in
 decline?
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 > macklinbob at gmail.com
 writes:
 > I got my  Novice ticket in
 1957 during the hottest solar cycle since ham
 > radio was  invented. 40M was
 wall to wall signals between 7150 and 7200
 > every evening. You could make
 contacts every evening and it was not just HI,
 > GOODBYE. It was a real QSO.
 
 My mentor ( SK ) had QSLs from all over
 the world.. Exotic places that  
 I could only dream about as a farm
 kid.  Radio was all about  
 "possibilities".
 His QSLs were all on 50.400Mhz using a
 Lafayette AM rig with a
 2E26 final ( maybe 10 watts carrier ? )
 and a receiver sensitivity of  
 one microvolt if lucky.
 
 That must have been exciting.
 
 Maybe next cycle ??  Fingers
 crossed.
 
 
 Don W4DNR
 
 
 DonR
 
 
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 Message: 4
 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 13:48:16 -0500
 From: donroden at hiwaay.net
 To: amradio at mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Ham Radio in
 decline?
 Message-ID:
     <20170430134816.Horde.IC3-Ea5AoPaXuzidnHv-vzq at webmail.hiwaay.net>
 Content-Type: text/plain;
 charset=utf-8; format=flowed; DelSp=Yes
 
 
 Quoting Donald Chester <k4kyv at charter.net>:
 > Take another issue that's
 > making big headlines in the news
 these  days; the decline of the coal
 > industry.  There's no "war on
 coal" per se; coal is being over-run by other
 > markets and other energy sources.
 
 We still see several long ( 50-75 car )
 coal trains pass through  
 Huntsville every day.   Where they
 come from and where they are going   
 ??
 TVA ceased coal fired electric plants
 several years ago ( or so I was told ).
 Maybe they have started back up.
 
 Don W4DNR
 
 
 DonR
 
 
 ------------------------------
 
 Message: 5
 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 13:56:53 -0500
 From: "Dave W5QWX" <dave at W5QWX.com>
 To: <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
 Subject: [AMRadio] Content not allowed
 Message-ID: <E2DB0DC0ED4D42C0B37946A69B5B1488 at DavidPC>
 Content-Type:
 text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"
 
 I tried to make a post to AMradio in
 response to AMdigest mailings and it was returned with ?The
 message's content type was not explicitly allowed?
 
 What does this mean? Am I not allowed
 to post comments? If so what was in the post not allowed? I
 would like to know what to not include in may post so that
 what can be posted is posted.
 
 Thank you,
 David Langley de W5QWX
 
 
 
 
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 Message: 6
 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 19:16:13 +0000
 From: Robert Bethman <oldrotorheadsarge at outlook.com>
 To: "amradio at mailman.qth.net"
 <amradio at mailman.qth.net>
 Subject: [AMRadio] Ham Radio
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 Content-Type: text/plain;
 charset="us-ascii"
 
 Those of us that still do operate will
 continue.  I have to take a pause before I can get my
 antennas back up where they need to be.
 
 I absolutely have no room for
 160meters.  Even 75meters is going to be a
 stretch.  I do have 40meters with a Double Bazooka.
 
 I no longer have heavy tube gear. 
 My Arthritis has caused all of it to be disposed of.  I
 am now stuck with a factory refurbished Kenwood
 TS-2000.  I also have managed to obtain an ALS-1306
 Solid State Amplifier.
 
 I can put 10W AM into it and get full
 legal output.  I can go SSB or CW at full output into
 the amplifier.
 
 The antennas have to wait until the
 outside part of my deck is stripped of the wood put down in
 1993.  The new lumber is being delivered on May
 3rd.  Then I have to install all of it.
 
 So it will be the bottom half of May
 before I can do anything else.
 
 I also have stupid restrictions by the
 city!  No tower unless I can guarantee it would fall
 ONLY on MY Property!  Since this parcel barely will fit
 the 70 foot Double Bazooka, that leaves me with far less
 height to run any antenna system.  Yet there are NO
 HOAs or Covenants.  Just some dumb Bureaucracy!. 
 I have had run ins with Zoning in the past.  I
 submitted my plans for this Deck in 1993.  Only to have
 Zoning call me directly, informing me that I was living in
 an illegal domicile!
 
 I started to laugh at the fool! 
 She then stated, "You are not taking this seriously." 
 I told her flat out that any lawyer would GLADLY take this
 on!  Plain and simple, *IF* this is an illegal
 domicile, then this City has been Fraudulently collecting
 taxes since the City became such in 1973!  I flat let
 it be known that I WOULD pursue such a Law Suit for not only
 the taxes, but all the interest that would have accumulated
 on such funds!
 
 This whole idiocy was based on a Survey
 that showed one corner of this house was 1/10th of a foot
 too close to the property line!  What a farce!
 
 This individual then stated that I
 would have to put up a $200 bond and request a waiver. 
 I flat told her that it was NOT going to happen!
 
 She finally told me to send a letter
 stating that I had NOT picked up the house and moved
 it.  So she got her dang letter!  My Deck Permit
 was approved.
 
 Bureaucratic idiocy just astounds
 me!  Really, I just decided to arbitrarily reach down
 and move the house?  Whom is out of their mind?
 
 This is what some of us have to deal
 with!
 
 Now back to regularly programming!
 
 Bob N0DGN
 
 
 
 
 -----Original Message-----
 From: AMRadio [mailto:amradio-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
 On Behalf Of Donald Chester
 Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 2:25 PM
 
 I think you may be right; at least ham
 radio AS WE KNOW IT will likely be
 history.  Newington can  do
 nothing about it because this is due to market
 forces beyond our reach.
 
 This is not unique to ham radio; it's a
 phenomenon impregnated throughout
 the fabric of to-day's society and
 economy.  Take another issue that's
 making big headlines in the news
 these  days; the decline of the coal
 industry.  There's no "war on
 coal" per se; coal is being over-run by other
 markets and other energy sources. 
 Natural gas.  Solar. Wind.  Maybe someday
 in future, nuclear fusion. 
 Analogous to ham radio's present over-run by
 cellular technology, internet and 
 social media.
 
 The coal industry won't be
 reinvigorated by killing off environmental
 regulations, just as ham radio won't be
 reinvigorated by dumbing down the
 entry level.  The politicians who
 promise to bring back the coal mining jobs
 are the same voices shouting in the
 wilderness as those shouting they will
 bring back renewed interest in ham
 radio.  The market forces that have
 brought these declines are too powerful
 to reverse with simple-minded
 environmental deregulation or
 simple-minded "novice enhancement".  Only some
 unforeseen direction in technology will
 bring back either the coal industry
 or ham radio.
 
 There will always be a market for coal,
 particularly in the production of
 steel and manufacture of plastics, but
 its use as a primary source of energy
 will continue to decline to a trickle
 and there's nothing any politician can
 do about it.  Likewise, 
 there will always be some form of ham radio (if
 governments of the world don't decide
 to get rid of us merely because it's
 too much trouble to administer licences
 and enforce regulations), but it
 will be minuscule compared to what most
 of us grew up with.  We may even
 keep the HF bands, but they will be
 populated with ever-declining activity;
 we will hold onto them only because
 no-one else has a use for them.  After
 all, people still raise horses and
 enjoy riding them.
 
 There are many more present-day
 analogies to the amateur radio situation; I
 just picked coal because it's currently
 such a hot topic in the news.
 
 The best we can  do is not to give
 in, but to continue to operate as we have
 in the past until there's no-one left
 to talk to.  We can continue to build
 and modify transmitters and erect
 antennas until we are too old and decrepit
 to lift transformers, drill sheet metal
 and climb towers.
 
 So, let's enjoy it while we still
 can.  Continue to rescue as much vintage
 stuff from the landfill  as
 possible, until every last person who values it
 is dead.  But don't count on any
 contrived PR campaign to magically
 generate hordes of youngsters
 enthralled by amateur radio, or count on any
 politician to "bring back coal". 
 
 Don k4kyv
 
 PS: The following seems particularly
 pertinent to this discussion:
 **On the Vanity of Earthly Greatness**
 
 The tusks that clashed in mighty
 brawls
 Of mastodons, are billiard balls.
 
 The sword of Charlemagne the Just
 Is ferric oxide, known as rust.
 
 The grizzly bear whose potent hug
 Was feared by all, is now a rug.
 
 Great Caesar's bust is on my shelf,
 And I don't feel so well myself.
 
 - Arthur Guiterman (1871-1943)
 
 
 
 
 
 
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