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From: "Sandy Blaize" <ebjr@i-55.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 22:42:41 -0500
Subject: Re: [Hallicrafters] BA Shipping Damage
Message-Id: <200010080336.WAA03935@exit1.i-55.com>



I have shipped many times by UPS and USPS.  So far I've
never had to make a claim on UPS.  Only thing I got slightly
damaged was an SX-71, but it was the shipper's fault, he used
Mailboxes, ETC. and they did a deplorable job of packing!
I sent a Barlow-Wadley radio to Alaska and it disappeared!
Luckily, I insured it.  UPSP paid off without a whimper,
and I refunded the chap his money.

73,
Sandy W5TVW

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From: Roy Morgan <roy.morgan@nist.gov>
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 10:23:06 -0400
Subject: Re: [Hallicrafters] BA Shipping Damage
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At 10:03 PM 10/7/2000 -0400, W4AWM@aol.com wrote:
 >
>I have called them UPS) almost weekly to complain about their drivers
blatently 
>running the stop sign in front of my house. To my knowledge, they have done 
>nothing. 

John,

May I sugggest that you are dialing the wrong phone number?  
Call the Police.  On their administrative line, not 911.  Tell them about
the little kid that nearly got squashed one day.  And the elderly person
who had to jump back as quickly as she could.

If no results, then set up a video camera.  In plain sight.  Follow the
driver as he/she approaches the stop sign.   Wave at them vigourously and
sort of grin.  Send  a copy of the tape to the police chief.  And a copy to
the manager of the local UPS depot.  By name.  Marked "Personal and
Confidential"  With a copy of your polite letter to the police chief.

After all this, tell everyone to ship your radios to you via USPS.

Have fun!



Roy

Roy Morgan
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From: W4AWM@aol.com
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 22:03:07 EDT
Subject: Re: [Hallicrafters] BA Shipping Damage
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Years ago, when Heathkit was still in business, I built 3 of their 25" color 
TV sets.  The picture tubes always arrived, unscaithed via Greyhound.  Maybe 
we should continue the practice and hang UPS out to dry.

I have called them almost weekly to complain about their drivers blatently 
running the stop sign in front of my house. To my knowledge, they have done 
nothing. Obviously, they don't care about the treasures we entrust to them, 
either.

73.   John,  W4AWM



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From: David Knepper <knepper@lenzlink.net>
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 20:27:35 -0700
Subject: Re: [Hallicrafters] UPS
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Has anyone taken a step back on this subject and asked themselves why firms
like Compaq Computers, Gateway Computer and Dell Computers, etc.  that ship
millions of pieces each year never seem to have this problem, only in rare
occasions.   Could it be that they know how to pack their products - I think
so given the packaging that I have seen.

Do you think that they get preferential treatment?  I think not.  We have
had hundreds of Compaq computers arrive at our offices shipped by UPS and
never once have we had damage goods!

So if you are careless or lazy when packing your radios, don't blame UPS or
any other carrier for your mistake. .  I have never had a claim filed with
UPS because I take the time and effort and expense to do it right the first
time.

For those who have had damaged goods, my condolescences.

David Knepper - W3ST
Publisher of the Collins Journal
Secretary to the Collins Radio Association
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From: "William L. Howard" <wlhoward@gte.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 20:12:19 -0400
Subject: [Hallicrafters] From the archives
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My first post to this list. I wasn't going to jump into this thread, but
couldn't help myself.

True -- UPS is very good at breaking radios, almost as good as the federal
government when they shred them into very tiny pieces.  Insurance is no
insurance much of the time, but don't fly without it.

However -- there are good and not so good ways of packing.  There's
defensive driving and there's defensive packing.  The power of negative
thinking prevails.

Peanuts are highly suboptimal.  Even packed tight, they do little to hold
the gear in place or preserve the integrity of the carton.  Nearly every
radio packed just in peanuts I've received has settled to the bottom and
one side as the carton was rolled around.  Also, when the outer carton is
torn, as it may well be, it will tend to toss its peanuts.

Versa-Pak or Insta-Pak foam jobs are best, followed by big blocks of high
density polyurethane foam (as used to ship hard drives), and then by
styrofoam sheet insulation, also called "builder's board" and available at
the lumberyard or Home Depot in big pieces about 1 1/2" thick.  Peanuts are
a last resort, possibly suitable for the inner carton stuffing, but barely
that.

I am now about to run off at the keyboard on the subject of packing.  I'm
sorry this can't be shorter, but it's based on taking delivery on a whole
bunch of boatanchors over the last year, including an SX-42 yesterday.  It
is right on topic because part of operating, preserving and restoring your
Hallicrafters rig is having it survive several days in a box while in
motion.

1.  Double boxing is the rule.  The outer carton should be strong double
wall construction.  The inner carton can be single, but double is better.
It is often difficult to find double wall cartons that are big enough.  The
ones they'll sell you are flimsy (easily torn) boxes for about $6 or so.
If you must use these, do what I learned from Fair Radio -- tightly line
the inside with an additional layer of corrugated, forced tightly into the
corners.  Then tape all corners, seams and otherwise of the outer carton.
Just look at the bottom of one of those flimsy cartons when you get one.


2.  Get the thing Versa/Insta Packed if possible.  One seller does the
inside carton and takes it to UPS where they supply the outer carton and do
the Insta-packing for about $15.  That saves you tracking down the big
outer carton and puts the onus on UPS, at least to some extent.

3.  Use the builders board otherwise.  Two or three layers all around the
inside of that double wall outer carton.  Use a shop knife and measure
against the side you're doing to get an exact, tight fit down to the
corners.

4.  Prepare the radio itself.  The front panel is vulnerable, but so may be
the inside.  I've had some come in that rattled with loose tubes, which
become missles.  Put some bubble wrap inside to protect against this kind
of thing -- assemblies ripping loose, etc.  Oh, and please tighten all
screws.  If you do this, put a note on the radio warning the guy to unstuff
it.  For the front panel -- study it carefully.  Does it have one of those
nice glass sliderule windows that can't wait to break.  Does is rattle
around a little.  That's all it takes to crack it.  Same for meter glass.
Either tape it so it doesn't rattle or wedge some paper shims around it.
Then find the strong points of the front panel and position some pieces of
the styrofoam there so that any force is evenly applied to the panel, not
to whatever sticks out.  Do this in a way that no force can be applied to
glass or plastic sub-panels -- plastic meter faces, plastic dials, etc.
Also to protect any shafts, knobs, etc.  A strong rap to the tuning knob
shaft can produce all kinds of fun.  A bearing that held up for 50 years
and was ready for another 50 can be ruined in a flash.



5.  Pack the radio wrapped in clear plastic to prevent water damage.  Yes,
they'll park it in a puddle if they can.  This also protects the radio from
fallout from the stuffing which is a pain to remove and startling when it
falls into a tube shield and smokes when you fire it up.  Oh, did I mention
fire?  Better to use clear plastic than an opaque garbage bag.  There's a
chance you'll pick it up the wrong way, or the recipient will when they
take it out.  Also easier to see how to protect the front panel.  No clear
bags?  Use saran wrap.

6.  The geometry of the inner carton vs. the outer one with the foam lining
can be difficult.  Use an oversized inner carton and cut and splice it to
size.  Use plenty of tape.

7.  Use foam and bubble wrap to stuff the radio in the inner carton.  You
can finish off with some peanuts.  Tape this up with sealing tape.  To
increase the strength of a carton, you can use hot melt glue on the flaps.
The inner carton is not as critical here.  It is mostly there to protect
the outer carton from the radio.  If the radio has any sharp protrusions --
such as a rack panel type or one without a cabinet, put extra padding
around the sharp edges.  Part of the problem occurs when the radio "tries"
to wreck it's packing.  While these are fine pieces of gear, they are not
necessarily aware of what's in their best interests.

8.  Prepare the outer carton as much as possible before dropping the radio
with the inner carton into it.  You'll be turning it in all directions and
it's easier if it's lighter.  Glue gun the flaps if available, and then run
several layers of tape along the seams and all corners.


9.  Tape:  The best tape is reinforced paper tape.  Usually brown, with
threads criss-crossing through it.  You'll need a good pair of scissors and
a sponge, as this stuff is gummed.  If you can't find that, get plenty of
the clear stuff -- preferably in the thicker version.  However, the clear
plastic sealing tape is not fully adequate to the task.  Just the start of
a tear can split it altogether and the carton will be dragged on concrete
and given the treatment on the conveyor belts.  So, first use filament or
strapping tape.  That's the plastic based tape with the white threads
running lengthwise through it.  You don't seal with that tape, you go at a
right angle to the seams.  Do that first, before using the paper or plastic
sealing tape.  I'm told that UPS doesn't like to see the filament tape
exposed on corners.  They say it will damage their equipment when it comes
loose and gets caught.  (Boo hoo, your radio broke my conveyor belt!)  Tape
over all of the stuff with sealing or paper tape.

10.  Finally, when you set the inner box with the radio into the outer one,
consider strapping the inner box with a couple of bands of good rope.  This
may help with lowering it in and taking it out on arrival -- if it's heavy
and awkward.

That's about it.  Just pretend you're not shipping a radio, but preparing
the barrel you're going to use to go over Niagra Falls.  Picture the radio
surviving a drop of 2 to 3 feet on any side or on a corner.  Inadequate
taping will allow a carton to burst if dropped on a corner, no matter the
burst strength of the carton.  Sure, mark "fragile", or "Break this and
Die", or whatever you want on the carton, but I'm told that UPS is under no
obligation to heed any of this.  Probably the best thing that would work is
"Explosives", but I don't think they'd take the thing.

So, you might ask, is this overkill.  Nope.

Oh, BTW.  The "Original Factory Carton" is not necessarily good for
shipping new gear, even when available.  Most product packaging is designed
for palletization -- many boxes carefully cross-stacked on a skid or
pallet, banded and stretch wrapped.  Skids of stuff do not get the same
rough individual treatment as a UPS shipment.  Even the inner packing
materials may not be right for it.  It may well need extra stuffing.

Happy shipping to all,
Barry
William L. Howard wrote:
> 
> Some time in the last few weeks there was a discussssion on best ways to
> ship a radio. I am now getting ready to ship a radio. I seem to remember
in
> the mid 1980's there was a spray can of styrofoam that could be used to
> fill in cracks in insulation, etc for house building. Is this stuff still
> made and is is suitable for the outer packing material when shipping a
> radio?
> Bill Howard
THE WILLIAM L. HOWARD ORDNANCE TECHNICAL INTELLIGENCE MUSEUM
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From: k6uuz@juno.com
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 17:11:00 +0000
Subject: [Hallicrafters] WTB: 6L7 tube
Message-ID: <20001007.171101.-241545.3.k6uuz@juno.com>


In restoring my recently acquired SX-28, I finally got to the point of
applying power. The audio section seems to be O.K., but that is all. A
quick feel of the tubes revealed the 6L7 to be cold as a witches heart.
An ohmmeter confirmed that the filament is open. The old guy died of old
age I imagine. Does someone have a living one that they are not in love
with and will sell for a reasonable price, shipped to zip 89431? Thank
you.

Ed

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From: "John Harden, W4NU (ex-K4JAG)" <altdx@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 20:06:57 -0400
Subject: [Hallicrafters] UPS
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Dear Gang,

I must admit that I have received numerous BA rigs via UPS. I have NEVER
had a problem. I also receive parcels regularly at my office, and have
so for years!! I have never had a problem there either.

However, I think that I have just been lucky... I take all comments I've
heard here for face value. I really think you guys are telling the
truth. The reason I say this is that I have heard that UPS is a real
slave driver. I've heard that they push their employees to the limit
relative to work production. However, this is nothing new. Corporate
America in general is only interested in shareholder's equity and stock
price these days. Employees are expendable... Look at the mass layoffs
and the general treatment of employees. Would you give a damn if you
were a UPS employee?

I sure would not put up with it. Not for one nanosecond. However, I have
been self-employed for most of my adult life so I look at things from a
totally different perspective. This is especially true with my many
years in the military...

Our only option is to "overpack" as all of the gentlemen have indicated
previously tonight. That is unless we utilize the USPS or a bus line.

73,

John, W4NU
Atlanta

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From: "Barry Hauser" <barry@hausernet.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 19:46:33 -0400
Subject: Re: [Hallicrafters] Re: BA Shipping Damage
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I have been told variously, that UPS says (1) electronic equipment should be
packing in the original shipping cartons and packing and/or (2) equipment
should be packed with in-place foam in a proper carton.

Some told me that, technically, they can deny claims if specs are not met.
However, original packing -- not much help for vintage equipment -- is not
necessarily designed for individual shipment through a common carrier.  The
cartons and foam blocks that your PC monitor came in, or TV for example, is
designed for palletized shipping, stacked so many high, with brickwork style
overlap, or with plywood between layers, and strapped and or protected with
stretch-wrap.  The same cartons and packing that travel well on pallets,
won't protect the goods if it is dropped on a corner.

Some also tell me -- and they've shipped stuff to me this way -- that some
UPS depots will box your radio with inplace foam (Versa-Pak or Insta-Pak)
for $15, including a big sturdy carton.  You can bring the radio packed in
its inner carton or wrapped in plastic.  I've called UPS's 800 number about
this, but the two or three reps I spoke to knew nothing about it and
insisted that UPS doesn't do packing.  Maybe there are some concessions in
UPS depots - I don't know.

The advantage to this, if you can get it done there, is that UPS packed it,
so they can't turn down a claim based on improper work.  Mailboxes Etc
places are UPS shippers, but most of them use flimsy single wall cartons and
peanuts.  Most charge quite a bit for the packing and mark up the UPS
charges anywhere from 10 to 100%.

Barry

> 10/7/00
>
> Does UPS publish a detailed discription of how heavy items like BA's
should
> be packed to meet their insurance requirements?
> *****
>
> At 01:11 PM 10/7/00 EDT, you wrote:
> >UPS doesn't consider a 3 foot drop to be mishandled. I have heard a 6
foot
> >drop is even possible with them and who knows how much weight or how many
> >other packages may end up on top of your treasure in transit?
> snip JW
> >
> >Regards,
> >Greg Gore; WA1KBQ
>
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From: Guido Santacana <laffitte@prtc.net>
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 12:20:54 -0300
Subject: Re: [Hallicrafters] BA Shipping Damage
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I agree 100% on the use of USPS. I have shipped many radios to the
mainland both by priority mail and by Parcel. No damaged or lost rigs. I
will use UPS for the first time next week for reasons of weight and
stress is mounting already. Our good old USPS works wonders and is still
the best postal service in the world.

Best 73s to all
Guido KP4FAR
Shipping BAs from San Juan, PR-USA across the big pond.

W. David Paperman wrote:

> I have had numerous problems with UPS, both incoming and outgoing
> regardless of the quality of packing. None thus far with U.S.P.S. I
> gladly pay the extra cost of "Priority Mail".
>
> Dave, W5WP
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From: J W Schermerhorn <skemi@capital.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 18:43:50 -0400
Subject: [Hallicrafters] Re: BA Shipping Damage
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10/7/00

Does UPS publish a detailed discription of how heavy items like BA's should
be packed to meet their insurance requirements?
*****

At 01:11 PM 10/7/00 EDT, you wrote:
>UPS doesn't consider a 3 foot drop to be mishandled. I have heard a 6 foot 
>drop is even possible with them and who knows how much weight or how many 
>other packages may end up on top of your treasure in transit?
snip JW
>
>Regards,
>Greg Gore; WA1KBQ


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From: "Duane Fischer" <dfischer@tir.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 17:02:04 -0400
Subject: [Hallicrafters] A Shipping Solution!
Message-Id: <200010072103.RAA21154@listserver.qth.net>



	
It occurred to me that perhaps the Golden Rule could be altered slightly to
apply to shipping:	
	
Ship unto others, as you would have others ship unto you. 	
	
Now we ship each UPS package handler in a crate comparable to what the typical
package is boxed in. Then we priority mail each postal worker who handles the
packages in one of their special boxes. We Federal Express their packages
handlers in one of those special pouch type envelops - slightly larger, of
course. Maybe if these people get a feeling for what happens to the packages
they mistreat with glee, they might change their ways? If not, make them take
the trip home the same way they got there!	
	
Duane

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From: "Duane Fischer" <dfischer@tir.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 16:30:38 -0400
Subject: Re: [Hallicrafters] BA Shipping Damage
Message-Id: <200010072032.QAA19578@listserver.qth.net>


I could not disagree more. The postal system handles mail, not 'real' packages.
The packages they handle are small for the most part. They won't ship anything
of value. I have shipped packages for over twenty years. The damage by the
postal service is ten to one over UPS. Insurance claims UPS wins 99-1. Ever try
to collect one? UPS is typically three weeks the post office many months,if at
all. I had one claim denied after eleven months. The letter I received from the
claims office in MO, included a sheet instructing a person how to file a lawsuit
to collect the insurance!	
	
I have a computer sitting here that was shipped by the postal system. The box
arrived with one corner crushed like an accordian. The postal worker handed me
the box and never said a word. (Yes, she knew I was blind.) By the grace of God,
I happened to put my left hand on one of the several holes punched through the
box. I set it down, asked her to step inside and had her write it up on the
spot. Did I collect? Nope, I was not the shipper. Remember, the shipper gets the
insurance, not the recipient. 	
	
I had fifteen pieces of mail I sent last year that never arrived and were never
returned. Some were cashiers checks amd money orders. None were cashed. Why?
They were not stolen, they were shredded by the postal system sorting equipment.
 There are two employees here in the main branch who have the job of trying to
identify the sender on the mutilated mail. And they have steady work!	
	
Two were manuals I mailed at the post office right over the counter. Never seen
again.	
	
None of the shippers are perfect. All of them make mistakes. The volume is
staggering. It will not change. We demand fast everything - food, repair
service, being waited on, not being on hold on the tx, mail delivery etc. Speed
equals mistakes. The faster they go, the more mistakes.	
	
My advice? Pack it properly! Yes it takes time. Yes it will cost more. But you
greatly improve the chances for a safe delivery.	
	
Duane W8DBF/ae   

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From: KB9GKC@aol.com
To: hallicrafters@qth.net
Subject: Re: [Hallicrafters] BA Shipping Damage
Date: Saturday, October 07, 2000 2:15 PM

In a message dated 10/7/00 12:17:51 PM Central Daylight Time, 
GARDGORE@aol.com writes:

<< UPS doesn't consider a 3 foot drop to be mishandled. I have heard a 6 foot 
 drop is even possible with them and who knows how much weight or how many 
 other packages may end up on top of your treasure in transit? >>

Exactly!  I had UPS smash through the VFO of a heavily wrapped Central 
Electronics 100V (we all know how rare these are).  First the 100V was 
wrapped with 4 inches of bubble wrap, then boxed and then an additional 4 
inches of bubble wrap then boxed again.  A sharp object cut through the side 
of the box and pushed the VFO in 2 or 3 inches.  UPS inspected the damage and 
paid the claim, now try and find another Central Electronic 100V.

I ship via United States Postal Service whenever possible.  They ship more 
packages in one day then all the other combined ship in a year.  They know 
what they are doing and treat their employees with respect.

Hope this helps.

Douglas
PS I had a number of claims with UPS, I switched a few years ago and have not 
had a claim since.

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From: jackiv@juno.com
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 15:19:31 -0500
Subject: Re: [Hallicrafters] BA Shipping Damage
Message-ID: <20001007.151932.-322665.3.jackiv@juno.com>


This is in regard to Greyhound bus lines. To ship from the northwest
suburbs of Chicago you must use the offices in  Skokie, Chicago or
Aurora.  These are the only places that can accept freight. I just talked
to their office for this data.
jack
JACK IVERSON   ARRL   OOTC  RCA IEEELM
1110 N OLD MILL RD
PALATINE IL  60067
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From: jackiv@juno.com
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 15:05:42 -0500
Subject: Re: [Hallicrafters] BA Shipping Damage
Message-ID: <20001007.150929.-322665.1.jackiv@juno.com>


I hate to use this space--- but I was told by a postal worker if you
insure a small package like that buckle it may become "lost"  I do not
insure small packages, neither do diamond dealers!!!!!!!!
jack

JACK IVERSON   ARRL   OOTC  RCA IEEELM
1110 N OLD MILL RD
PALATINE IL  60067
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On Sat, 7 Oct 2000 14:07:04 -0500 kb5syw@juno.com writes:
> Enjoyed reading your article about UPS.
> I have found an alternative to UPS.
> GRAYHOUND.
> It cost less, and your package will arrive in less than half the 
> time.
> Grayhound also will deliver to the door address your shipping to.
> In the old days, it would go to the Grayhound station and some one 
> would
> have to pick it up. Not any more.
> I shipped a set of two meter duplexers to GA from TX , Two days is 
> the
> norm.
> Give it a try. What have you got to loose ?????
> P.S. 
> About six months ago, i purchased an antique belt buckle from a 
> flee
> market for a relative who was a collector. Shipped through our local 
> 
> U.S. Post off.
> I insured it for $ 100 .  He never got it. When trying to file a 
> claim ,
> I was told to get a letter from the addressee stating he never 
> received
> it. I did. Then I was told i needed a receipt to show replacement 
> value .
> No receipt, your screwed.
> I will never again ship U.S.Postal again. I never received any thing 
> on
> my claim.
> Thats right, SCREWED.
> Try getting a factory receipt on your antique radio. or have to 
> prove its
> value, and if you cant prove it to your local post off, move along
> sonny.Whos next ?
> 73s  KB5SYW   Jim M
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> 73s KB5SYW  Jim M
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From: kb5syw@juno.com
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 14:07:04 -0500
Subject: Re: [Hallicrafters] BA Shipping Damage
Message-ID: <20001007.140714.-1022663.0.KB5SYW@juno.com>


Enjoyed reading your article about UPS.
I have found an alternative to UPS.
GRAYHOUND.
It cost less, and your package will arrive in less than half the time.
Grayhound also will deliver to the door address your shipping to.
In the old days, it would go to the Grayhound station and some one would
have to pick it up. Not any more.
I shipped a set of two meter duplexers to GA from TX , Two days is the
norm.
Give it a try. What have you got to loose ?????
P.S. 
About six months ago, i purchased an antique belt buckle from a flee
market for a relative who was a collector. Shipped through our local 
U.S. Post off.
I insured it for $ 100 .  He never got it. When trying to file a claim ,
I was told to get a letter from the addressee stating he never received
it. I did. Then I was told i needed a receipt to show replacement value .
No receipt, your screwed.
I will never again ship U.S.Postal again. I never received any thing on
my claim.
Thats right, SCREWED.
Try getting a factory receipt on your antique radio. or have to prove its
value, and if you cant prove it to your local post off, move along
sonny.Whos next ?
73s  KB5SYW   Jim M

 





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From: "W. David Paperman" <wpaper@ev1.net>
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 13:33:19 -0500
Subject: Re: [Hallicrafters] BA Shipping Damage
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I have had numerous problems with UPS, both incoming and outgoing
regardless of the quality of packing. None thus far with U.S.P.S. I
gladly pay the extra cost of "Priority Mail".

Dave, W5WP

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From: KB9GKC@aol.com
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 14:15:29 EDT
Subject: Re: [Hallicrafters] BA Shipping Damage
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In a message dated 10/7/00 12:17:51 PM Central Daylight Time, 
GARDGORE@aol.com writes:

<< UPS doesn't consider a 3 foot drop to be mishandled. I have heard a 6 foot 
 drop is even possible with them and who knows how much weight or how many 
 other packages may end up on top of your treasure in transit? >>

Exactly!  I had UPS smash through the VFO of a heavily wrapped Central 
Electronics 100V (we all know how rare these are).  First the 100V was 
wrapped with 4 inches of bubble wrap, then boxed and then an additional 4 
inches of bubble wrap then boxed again.  A sharp object cut through the side 
of the box and pushed the VFO in 2 or 3 inches.  UPS inspected the damage and 
paid the claim, now try and find another Central Electronic 100V.

I ship via United States Postal Service whenever possible.  They ship more 
packages in one day then all the other combined ship in a year.  They know 
what they are doing and treat their employees with respect.

Hope this helps.

Douglas
PS I had a number of claims with UPS, I switched a few years ago and have not 
had a claim since.

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From: GARDGORE@aol.com
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 13:11:01 EDT
Subject: [Hallicrafters] BA Shipping Damage
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UPS doesn't consider a 3 foot drop to be mishandled. I have heard a 6 foot 
drop is even possible with them and who knows how much weight or how many 
other packages may end up on top of your treasure in transit? Do they have a 
conveyor system that drops off the end in their warehouse somewhere? I know 
someone who used to work at UPS who told me when the dock workers load the 
trucks they are timed by a stopwatch. I asked if "FRAGILE" or "HANDLE WITH 
CARE" on the box helps and he said when he was there they didn't have time to 
read what was written on boxes. Also when the UPS truck delivers at our place 
the driver tosses the boxes that are for us out of the back onto the 
pavement. He is perhaps as careful as he can be in that situation as they are 
extremely busy, handle a lot of packages every day and are accountable for 
their time but the box still drops and hits the pavement. Anyway, for 
something going out here I always pack to survive being thrown down a flight 
of stairs. For something coming I always try to get the sender to use a good 
strong reinforced box and to wrap with many layers of large size bubble wrap 
in two directions and ask for extra padding on the front panel to prevent 
control jamming and bending. A lot of force can still be transferred through 
packing material because of the knobs large surface area if the box is 
dropped on that side. Also be mindful that heavy components mounted on the 
chassis may contribute to damage from a drop as the resulting force has to be 
absorbed by something. Another thing that is frequently missed is missing 
cabinet screws for securing the chassis at the back (left out from a previous 
repair). You have no assurance of the package being shipped "right side up" 
or even if the sender packed "right side up." If the radio is shipped with 
missing cabinet screws you may get a bent or buckled front panel if the box 
is dropped and the radio happens to be upside down at the time. You may also 
need to remove tubes and wrap separately or add packing inside to prevent 
things from getting out of their mountings and banging around and making a 
mess inside. If I am not confident the sender understands or cares enough 
about all this I offer to send a suitable box with packing material. I have 
actually done this and while it adds cost it sure beats opening up a poor 
packing job and finding an unexpected disappointment to have to deal with. 
Crumpled newspaper and styrofoam peanuts are OK for parts and small or light 
items but are insufficient for radio equipment. Peanuts and crumpled paper 
will loosen up and will not help support the box shape during routine 
handling and heavy items will attempt to move around and migrate to the 
bottom where they will be vulnerable to cabinet damage from a drop. How many 
times have you opened up a package to discover that most or all of the 
styrofoam peanuts were on top of the radio rather than under it where it is 
needed? Double boxing is recommended but not always absolutely necessary for 
lighter radios if the primary packing is prepared properly. For the heavier 
items I do double box and I like to use builders grade styrofoam sheet 
between the boxes for protection and support. This comes in 8' by 4' sheets 
about 1" thick, is easy to cut to size with a utility knife and is 
inexpensive at Home Depot or Lowes. If you have to attempt to settle a claim 
with UPS please remember they are self insured and will send out 
representatives to examine your item. They know what they are looking for and 
will be pretty critical of the packing and shipping materials. Unfortunately 
(because it is learned after the fact) most people pack and use materials 
that are below UPS standards for the delicate nature, value or weight of a 
particular item. One other thing, for some reason the little retail shipping 
stores you see in the strip shopping centers (Mailboxes, etc.) do a horrible 
job unless you stand there and watch while they pack. Most times you will get 
one thin layer of the small size bubble wrap and the rest peanuts and be 
overcharged for that as well as pay a surcharge on top of the UPS rates. I 
recently read an account of how the radio manufacturers of the 1920s packed 
and crated their new merchandise for shipment. The story told of how they 
constantly tested their methods by throwing crated new radios out of a second 
story window or down a flight of stairs and examining the results. They 
weren't happy unless they made it OK. How can we expect our increasingly more 
valuable and scarce BAs to survive in the sea of the many thousands of other 
boxes they are handled with every day by many uncaring and possibly 
disgruntled package handlers if they are just shoved in an old box with a 
little newspaper pushed in to take up the space?

Regards,
Greg Gore; WA1KBQ

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From: "Dan Caesar, Ni9y Mishawaka IN." <sx28a@juno.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 06:41:55 EST
Subject: [Hallicrafters] s16 meter wanted
Message-ID: <20001007.064310.-322345.0.sx28a@juno.com>


I have a very nice s16 and the meter needs replaced...anyone have one in
their garage junk box...I would hate to take the one from the sx24 ..but
the s16 is so beautiful I might.....
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